Guild Wars 2

the majority of times i’ve seen a guide/vid posted on this forums they end up getting nerfed. while it might help the new players, there is a chance it would go meta, then destroyed by the “balance” team. be careful whatever you decide

Roll a warrior.
The only reason to pick a thieve at this point is to learn there mechanics.

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tl dr:
#runeofstr #sigilofair/fire #passivesdoitbest #targettingthewrongproblem.
:)

Ithilwen.1529:

• Stuff ****
  Have some courage and sportsmanship, GoM.

No sportsmanship…. how many feast of coleslaw + ballistas have i given you guys. Ungrateful,

Some of you gentlemen have got the words “Hard” and “Cheesy” mixed up.
This fight is not “Hard” just “Cheesy”. it boils down to 2 things,
“How is your computer/isp?”
and
“do you run a bunker / passive healing build?”
If you have answered: “bad!” and " No!" save yourself some time, this fight will be a gold sink

Shortbow : 1 wpn skill un nerfed /unchanged / unaltered (shadow shot #5)
sword and dagger: 1 wpn skill un nerfed / unchanged / unaltered. (autoattack #1)

i could go on, but you should have the point by now, Its people like you who have reduced this class to spam. continue to alt tab + post anti thieve threads, its worked wonders for the last 2 years. why stop now?

Lamuness.3570:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Traxal.2745:

Thanks for the replies. Sizer is good for sure, and could make sword/no OH look good. I’m trying to make sense of it for the common thief like me.

So if boon steal is that effective, does 3 skill get the most use? For the evade and boon steal?

No, you only need LS and Steal, but need to trait for Bountiful Theft.

Let’s say I saw a Guardian with 12 stacks of Might running with his Warrior buddy with also 12 stacks of Might. What I do is, use Flanking Strike out somewhere — no target is preferred.

Then I pre-cast Larcenous Strike -> Steal from the Guardian -> Switch target to Warrior -> Flanking Strike -> Larcenous Strike -> dodge roll = Easy 25 stacks of Might.

EDIT:
Minor clarification. Bountiful Theft will steal Aegis from the Guardian first, so that you can steal the Might stacks with Larcenous Strike.

I thought boon stealing only steals one stack of it? Please clarify this for me

Larcenous strike will take Full stacks (so if a warrior has 25 stacks of might you will take them all)
Bountiful theft on the other hand will only give you 1 stack of might. (instead of all 25)

Zero Day.2594:

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That’s a good point. guess i was miss interpenetrating your words.

On another note healing is probably part of the problem Mcfribble. but it’s to late to change, say they linked Shadow rejuvenation, regen or healing to the revealed buff we wouldn’t hear so many complaints. but they would have to buff to compensate

They would have to double the regen rates, or perhaps how the thieves scales healing Rework cleanses probably damage, ect. That’s a lot of work. and while this Might work in Wvw. in Spvp the maps are clustered, Aoe is prevalent. would this even work there?

You really don’t like Wvw players do you?

+1 set it back to instant cast,

Dee Jay.2460:

And regarding the healing…..it’s only really good when you’re specced into Shadow Rejuvenation. Without it it barely heals at all.

Think hes referring to the dark field. its a great heal when paired with Som and Ds.

its probably true and designed for Eotm…
This + scorpion wire should be good for a laugh or two at least.

I seen taquito last night, he looked pale and sickly, why anet why!!!!

Id rather them add a trait: clear a condition on signet use. this would allow people to drop HiS for SoM,
and : clear a condition when using a trick, which would allow thieves to drop HiS for withdraw + RfI.

Yes we all hate passives but what else can we do

Alright ladies and gentlemen of the thieve board, I’ve got 5 simple questions for you all, (even you lurkers)
for science…

1: What mode do you prefer

(pvp wvw or Pve)

2: How long have you been a thieve?
(beta, presale, launch , last year, this year. [hours if you want])

3: Compared to when you started, how long can you stay logged on to your thieve?
(shorter periods , longer periods, about the same)

4: If you started a thieve now, would it be as much fun as launch?

(yes / no ) why?

5 : Do you Agree with direction of the balance team?
try to be as direct about why if possible

yes / no

Other relevant information: anything you think is relevant to your answers
(my answers are bold, to save space)

I don’t think the mechanics of Gw2 would allow that version of dancing dagger.
If this skill Crits on the first strike, it will continue to crit for the 2nd,3rd and 4th hit.
chances are the stun would continue on too.

thems fightin words son’y

i challenge you to a troll off.
conditions for victory : troll the redheaded one.
conditions for a loss: get removed from guild.

BRINGG ITTTT
(i here sieging portals is highly effective)

quiet you, your just a bad ranger with no stealth

you can hit multiple targets with tripwire (i figured they all worked like tripwire), the problem is they all have to be in the box when you cast it, making them situational. (for instance: tripwire is good for interrupting multiple rezers, and zergballs, Tripwire + infiltrators signet will give you a knockdown on port)
the mechanics are there. they just need to add some defensive utility with them.

Id rather see them re-add immune to fear on dagger storm stability. being chain feared out of an elite is annoying. other then that we don’t need more stability, we have plenty of shadow steps.

They need to add a trait
“transfer 1 damaging conidtion from player to Placed trap”. so say your effected by psn, and you place tripwire , it would read: knock down and psns enemy.

master trapper: cd 20% , traps pulse for 1-3 seconds on activation.

i know anet doesn’t want other utilities to have clears/breakers but it really is limiting thieves diversity. like bon said we pretty much have to run certain utilities.

i ran into your leveling group a couple days ago at golanta, you where fighting an army of upscaled kainieng. was a long and fun fight.

well you can help me troll the thieve forum, i finally got my first infraction today
guess they don’t like it when you ask employees how much they make

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Phlogus.2371:

I will miss the match up threads… Where has everyone gone this is the dullest thread ever. Is there already a new host out there?

Nope, many of us are just playing this game less, posting less, and spending more of our time on other games.

Ahh you just need to troll moar.

Zacchary.6183:

Maybe if players stopped complaining about thieves, arenanet’s papers would start showing that thieves aren’t as much of a problem. Then thieves would actually start getting nice things and the whole profession wouldn’t be forced to play d/d to be completely viable. Afterwards you will start seeing less permastealth and backstabs because everything thieves have complained about in regards to their profession finally gets fixed.

At least you came to the forums in a rational fashion.

+1
It’s not that every thieve wants to run the same utilities/traits/gear . its because where being forced to. Thieve diversity has taken a huge plummet since launch. (of course this happens naturally over time, but not this quick)
The problem is 2 things imo, When anet “balances” things they pick one wpn set to buff and nerf the rest. this forces thieves out of that set and into the “new” one. this is the main reason your seeing a high majority of thief running d/d , d/p.
The other reason is people calling for nerfs on specific abilities, so lets say they did nerf all the teleports, are you prepared to fight NOTHING except perma stealth users?

: Be careful what you wish for.

Thieve could stealth and walk in gwalchgn. a few months ago they extended the blocker on the wall.

as for fighting s/p op, don’t even bother taken the time to learn to fight them.
while you might see a few s/p users around latelty, in a week or 2 they will realize that s/p wasn’t actually buffed (was a revert) and since the change to #2 there sadly worst/no better then what they where.

Excalibur.9748:

Okay so it’s still an issue.

http://www.twitch.tv/sakraycore/b/489194722

I haven’t submitted it to the bug section, part of me still wants to believe that ANET devs lurk in this place.

the only devs ive seen in this forum are: a ranger who got lost.
and jon peters himself, and he spent most of his time ignoring hard facts cause a comma was out of place.

I sometimes wish they would make a war4 rts, then i remember its probably a good thing they haven’t

a few common tips for S.Wire:
1. you can pull people off siege.
2. i find if you stop moving before using wire it works more often.
3. Returning and using S wire is glitched, it will put it on cd. (unless your facing them)
4. S.wire is a great tool for pulling players ressing. and more importantly it makes fighting mark necros a joke.
5. S.Wire + tripwire makes fighting thieves a walk in the park.
and finally a tip for tripwire. Cast trip wire, instantly hit infiltrators signet, you will port to the enemy player and drop T. wire, its to fast to dodge, enjoy

Remove IS/SR cooldown. decrease initiative cost of infiltrators strike to 2 increase initiative cost of return to 4. (from 5 initiative total to 6)
(this would make it harder to use for stomp, but keep the synergy of Sword 2)

stop spreading misinformation nagymbear.
it is 5 initiative 3 for teleport and 2 for the return. there is no way to return without using infiltrators strike first.
As for “slotting stun breakers” what s/d thief doesn’t have shadow step/infiltrators signet set.. the only build that wouldn’t is s/d blind spam. (which uses stealth and shadow arts)

vincecontix.1264:

The thing is though the apart from the cast time on sword the patch wasn’t so bad. Unfortunately sword thief players are in the minority as it take more skill using S/X specs than other existing thief build. So majority of thief players won’t even care about this nerf.

+1, this man speaks truth.

A.net made it out like every thief playing in pvp was a s/d thief, for the last week ive been doing pvp can you guess how many other s/d thiefs i ran into….. 1 (2 if you count myself)

I keep seeing this infiltrators strike had this nerf coming. Do people not realize the the return range is 900, clearly there is no range wpn in the game that will reach that far..

…
1. return does in fact have a counter. since its hard to figure out here we go. interrupt any thief skill after they infiltrators strike this will clear there return point.
2. Other classes can in fact pre load skills and teleport take sanctuary + judges intervention for instances.
3. Our initiative is are Cool Down , since we can return at best 3 times then we are left with auto attack, a warrior was quite capable of catching a thief even When Shadow return had a Stun Breaker on it.

You snuck that post in there vince i was referring to the points interceptor made

Well this added cooldown to shadow return alters S/d play-style the last time they did this was with the 4sec reveal (which got swapped back because it changed the way the thief played) wonder how long we have to wait this time.
please make it quick this time anet my thief is kinda glassy he can’t tank much dust.

Jesse.4631:

I think a lot of times people forget this is a game, drama in a game is pointless. We all play it to have a good time and relieve stress. No reason to bash on one another every chance we get :p

HoD i enjoyed my stay for the week was very fun, and GoM you guys are always fun to fight

Happy Thanksgiving tomorrow! All the food!

Nice to see yarr down here again, you guys schooled my hybrid guardian pretty quick. Just like to thank you guys for following the rules of 1v1, you rarely see that nowadays,
Also i near died laughing when you let the upscales by with the golem to take eb keep back.

Have all you mouth breathers forgotten about the greatest player….

I don’t think this is all of them. What about Unload, Repeater. They got nerfed. in (pre-sale?) Are you not counting pre-sale nerfs?

Also you should add some of the broad nerfs, (Haste, Vigor [next patch] They nerfed Unload, Repeater and Pistol whip because it had to much synergy with haste.

Interesting thread was thinking about doing this myself

this is mostly personal opinion take it or leave it, it matters little in the long run.

Critical Strike X – Critical Haste. Increase trigger chance to 25%.
When haste was at 100% this trait worked well with unload/repeater/pistolwhip.
a 2 second haste at 50 IAS is still to slow. and since it procs more you will lose even more evade frames on FS/sb#3/dodge roll.

Shadow Return on Sword. Renamed to Infiltrator’s return. Added a 1/4s cast time.
You should split this skill, sure you can shadowstep through walls in PVP But in wvw this thing misfires over rocks,steps, slight inclines. you are making it out like 1/4 a second is no big deal, in this condition meta that is a very long time. that is also 1/4 seconds i can’t dodge making melee have a higher chance of tagging/killing me and retreating from a zerg near impossible. a bad infiltrators strike will get you killed with an instant return this is just overkill.

Critical Strikes VI – Practiced Tolerance. Increased conversion from 5% to 7%.
2% increase there pulling out all the stops now. I’ll take it though, any extra life will help a little.

Deadly Arts VI – Sundering Strikes. Increased the trigger chance from 50%. Remove ICD. Decrease Vulnerability duration to 6s.
this might be good for pvp. for wvw most people are going to stick with mug as it does dmg and gives you life.

Pistol Whip. Reduced the after cast on the first half of this skill by .25 seconds.
The whole animation is simply to slow. this was the main reason haste + PW was so popular. (plus it looked sweet)
Since you drastically reduced the damage because of that combo, i find myself asking will you ever bump it back up again? personally i would rather 100% haste and pw take another direct dmg nerf.but unfortunately haste is tied to other classes.

Acrobatics IV – Assassin’s Retreat. Increased swiftness duration to 20s.
Does anyone use this is pvp? with the maps being as small as they are, and in wvw we have this thing called seaweed. yes you can get a huge uptime by stacking both, (and using cluster shot) but its kind of pointless with all the access to swiftness we already have (Steal, dodge roll, ect)

i might comment about the init/vigor changes after i see them first hand….

This is my 6th attempt at this message, all the other ones got deleted in rage and sorrow
i could go on and write another 20 page essay about counters to thieves, vigor, fS and S. return. but it would end up the same way as the last ones.

So ill keep this short. dec 10 is the day the thief dies.
Stand still to win boys, stand still to win…

Karma she’s a kitten ain’t she?

(the top tiers have been stacking since pre-sale, since some of you seem to have forgotten)

So everyone jumped on a wagon, and it collapsed and now you are surprised?

Sororita.3465:

Highlie.7641:

on another note i have 750 ballistas

Adorable…

I humbly concede defeaat

dah-amn glaaeser there is to be no use of common sense and logic in this thread.
your suppose to scream “you’re a META S/d player”
how are we suppose to forum war…

Flerch not to be negative, but when you pop Bp at 20% health, i kinda of doubt your “stealthless” build you should call it minimal steath

AKLbow.2463:

Dear [RH],

I guess you’ve figured out you aren’t the cream of the crop on GoM by now, but I figured I’d reiterate it. L2p. Being able to throw siege on someone dead doesn’t mean you’re good.

But, I give you an A for effort for throwing siege after it takes 15 of you to wipe 5 people. Best of luck in your future endeavors. And just remember, I have more siege than you for every time I see you guys dead.

that was me you run meta builds you get spammed laughed at or seige on the corpse, get used to it. on another note i have 750 ballistas, i won’t be running out of seige any time soon.

Edit: oh your the thief that i saluted. I take that back. (the salute that is)

What the …. did i just watch, no fire works or pew pew.. the horror

On a serious note, that’s a great idea, As much as i hate to admit it WvW is dieing in the lower tiers. Its not that its any less fun to play, its just the fact that there is a decrease in players, we are starting to see more and more players transfer away because they can’t find a fight.

If this continues for another year we will end up with A: full servers in gold league only or B: 1 super server per league. Either option is depressing.

Oh sorry your right, its not that point its the one beside bay.(i though i had kitten but i can’t seem to find it atm)

Just falling of the map won’t get you banned, now targetting someone while your down there probably will. (ive been off the map 100’s of times since pre-sale and im still here. mind you i’ve never tried to use it to my advantage.

Either way ill keep my eyes open for anything suspicious for you

That Is a glitch caused by lag (client and server) while using a Travel ability (ride the lightning, shadow steps and leaps). I highly doubt this guy is a “Moronic teen” if he was he would of swam over to bay and solo capped it….

On another note though, i think the bloodlust points where suppose to be multi layered at one point. there are steps and rooms under that point.
and no that is not me

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Mepheles.2087:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Mepheles.2087:

You’re gonna make me work for this aren’t you, you little Speedy Gonzales…

http://youtu.be/2AU7VxAi_gk

xD

I have no sister (irl at least) so I’m safe. I think our Timezones are too different, even if we play in NA

I’ve been busy the last couple of days. I did pop in for a bit on Saturday afternoon, but that’s it.