Guild Wars 2

Passive Stun lock is Best

Shhh don’t talk about the nerf wish list. one of there new mod’s is anti thief and will delete it again.

Thief stealth is the worst. It’s countered by CC,\
Stealth on any other class is fine though cause they got stability…
that’s balance

Would it be possible to have the animation effect brought over to Pvp?
Bring the darkness!

It also has the same problem s wire does, if your character is facing the enemy but your camera is not straight on sometime it won’t fire and goes on interupt cd. (4s i believe)

Saiyan.1704:

The only class that showed signs of bias is the Rev but that’s because he’s an “elite” class who’s part of the HoT package. Then he got a small nerf after the esl so there goes that assumption.

Atm there are no obvious signs of bias favoritism.

and you really believe that? wow…

Hot carl you explained that much better then i did.

from some of the comments it seems like some of you guy’s thought this was a nerf thread, I didn’t mean it to be, being a daredevil i have 0 problems with any of these classes.

Saiyan you can have at most 3 stun breakers (most only roll 2 though), you are fighting a team of 5 player’s (obviously not at once), most professions have multiple CC, you see the problem You simply can not keep up anymore, CC has always been a weakness towards a thief (rightly so) They had more then enough pre patch, now it’s getting spammy. I’m thinking this is why so many thieves are stating “Buff Thief’s” I also have no clue how they can fix this at this point in time though. Most of these stunlock spec’s seemed to be designed for killing Passive professions.

My point was (but i fail at basic spelling and sentence structure) was it’s not the High Damage, but high damage plus CC., i’m all for Stunlock builds and high burst builds, but you have to spec for them, not have one with the other. (Thieves are just as bad with things like Panic strikes, Soh (daze) Immobilize stacking.

It’s not the profession, it’s the foolish amount of CC they added.

a 14k-20k damage trap is nothing.
a 14k damage trap when you are perma stun locked is asinine.

Chrono / Reaper / Dh, all the ones they are calling OP are only that way because you guy’s went full _ on CC.

It’s time to add DR. or take away the crazy amount of stun’s taunt’s dazes, ect ect you keep adding that is destroying this games combat mechanics.

We went from “Noone likes to be stun locked”
To every elite spec getting CC, (when we had more then enough to begin with)

please get well soon arena net.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Yuki Aburame.5283:

Would really like the elite skill “Impact Strike” to be a 2 hit combo instead of a 3 hit combo. Would make it so much more useful (depends on cast time of course) and fun to use (more flow).

Yeah, I’m still figuring out how to implement that skill in my play style…it seems out of place.

Start the combo when there low health. If the last hit brings them to downstate it is still an instant Ko

Start Small,
Increase base Health By 1000-2000 (honestly they should do this with all low base hp classes at this point.)
This would give us more build diversity, since it would open up more rune/sigil choices.

Increase sword damage 7% to 10% (perhaps tack it on one of the sword traits in acro)

I love how thread’s about Mesmers/rangers/ Ect will all get left in the Pvp Forum, but the min you start talking about thieves, it get’s transferred here to die.

Your biased is showing again arenanet. (or the forum spec)

Give us back courtyard. Just because some casual whiner doesn’t understand basic map mechanics doesn’t mean we all should have to suffer.

You are rewarding someone who goes afk. that’s just brilliant.

Bliss, D/p is no diffrent, interupt there stealth and there done for, Why? Well that set (like s/d last meta) rely’s solely on passives, it’s a shame you can’t figure that out.
(maybe after the vamp change you will start too)
As for now, IF your opponent knows how d/p works they can easily kill them / prevent them from decaping. You had lot’s of way’s at launch, and now you have even more.
Do you need me to list how for you….?

Fizz, That’s thief life. Most of these Gentlemen spamed “teef Op” threads for year’s The other’s just can’t take that fact they lost to someone who play’s joke builds. The fact is you need an insane amount of hours in this game just to be a “viable Pet”. And to be “Viable” (if your fooled into believing that) you need to run the most Passive spec a thief has.

Funny enough if they released Daredevil without giving any other professions any elite, most of the problems with thiefs would disapper, you would probably have to tone down other professions passiveness still but as far as sustain/C.removal/damage most of it would be par. sadly it does not account for the new elites (or what it looks like from the outside so far) All we can do is hope it’s not as bad as now though.

are you Still anti thief fortus…

Stop trying to 3 cap = thief can’t backcap and goes down in a hail of Aoe in the teamfight. It really is that simple.

Nah i would rather just continue killing you both off point

Bliss thief’s are not vaible,

Look go roll Cs/DA/Tr with s/d pick every burst/damage trait. Then go find a ranger.
On a pure glass build you will crit them for 600 damage, with 20 stacks of might (s.Trap, Signet, you will crit them for 1500-2000,) Now factor in the Healing, and regin, and passives on that ranger.

Do try again. but be warned i have over 3 year’s on my thief, i can assure you all you ain’t going to win this argument whatever delusional methods you fabricate are going to fall short.

Again, you won’t have time to decap, since you stop on entering stealth.
secondly, Every stealth ability has a tell, and if you fail to interrupt it that’s your own fault.
Again you talking about 7-10 seconds at most I know you guy’s don’t believe in reverse camera, but that will Easily give you time to prevent a decap Even if you started to run towards another point.

Are you really talking about win/lose rate. wow. poor little fella, you never realized it means Nothing. and as for 45% winrate, i’m surprised it’s that high honestly, As i don’t play Conquest i just fight on the road since i could care less who win’s this joke mode.

supvil.3470:

Highlie.7641:

they can’t rotate far to backcap (by the time the defender is down, he will have reinforcments,)

No

You leave far alone if there is a set defender camping it. If someone is in between as someone suggested u can try a decap and run : forcing that defender to sit and recap it while you go back to help mid or +1 another fight.

Unless that defender is a fast win for you in 1v1.

You won’t decap it, again i said decent opponent’s,what will happen is you will pull them to the point and break to another point, this leaves you starved of initiative. Or you blown your shadow step, either way your easy enough to pick off.

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First don’t listen to people who have know clue how the thief class works, As in fact s/d is suppose to be a bruiser spec, which play’s more like a warrior then say an assassin, what is common sense? it ain’t common anymore that’s for sure.

You touched on the main problem Fizz, and why thief’s are loot bags
If the enemy team know’s Basic rotations, and can win in the team fight, thief’s are useless, they can’t rotate far to backcap (by the time the defender is down, he will have reinforcments,) you can’t team fight for you will die in a blaze of Aoe, and your Task of +1 can be filled by other professions easier. As for mobility well that’s easy to beat, most people have been fooled into believe fighting off point is “Bad” when in reality all you have to do to defeat thiefs mobility is stand half way between points , this will give them more then enough time to prevent a decap and/or provide help.
Steath rezing is instant death if you are fighting player’s with a half a brain

The most hilarious part of all is that both +1ing and decaping are just pieces of a role,but some people obviously don’t understand, “FAR POINT ASSAULTER”
(the thief’s original role….)

Roll Another class, when it comes to thief’s arena net is completely biased.

You want to know where the 400k cash is coming for there upcoming failed Esports venture? well that was the thief’s balance budget for the past 3 years.
Just think of all the cash they saved by Nerfing acro and selling a less viable version back to us.

Seriously though, don’t pick thief, while i’m joking about the esports cash (maybe ;D), i am not joking about there blatant biased. (I’d even argue they past Wow level of “why does no one play thief”)

If you really want to play a thief, Just pretend your a minion, all those task’s belong to you my friend. +1 and decap, It doesn’t matter that the combat is the only redeeming feature of this game because you can’t do that anymore. (cultists ruined that)

good luck with your upcoming head ache.
(really for the 3rd time, you should roll another class)

Not at all Nocta,

Thief’s are not viable, they give the apperance that they are through +1’ing and Backcaps, but let’s face it, our plus 1 role is entirely possible due to are offensive passives, you take away Vamp/ Soh, Shadow arts, Panic strikes, i can guarantee you your imaginary role of plus 1 will vanish.

As for backcapping, If your team can not win the 4vs4 at mid, they will not pull there home defender away, Which mean’s the thief will have to 1vs1 at far, If the defender know’s what he’s doing he can easily delay you to get reinforcements.

Finally, The only redeeming feature this game had was it’s combat mechanics, most people will agree with that statement. Sadly, arena net decided to remove that feature from the thieves to do list.

kitten Blackbeard how can you hate lootbag’s so much, we give out all kinds of shiny…

You guy’s forgot the best part about the dec 10th change, they claimed it was a buff

That’s a strange one, Probably caused by lag, sometime the enemy thief won’t render in, so his backstab will either be listed as Unknown, or not at all.

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Why do people hate stealth, it’s such an easy mechanic to beat..

It’s alright.. i guess.

Not with the way the have vault set up mechanically. You might have the height to clear a wall but due to there mechanics you end up hitting blank air and falling. It is extremly annoying. i meant to take a video of it but i forgot…

d/p Sa is the most brain dead spec thieves can pick…
It relys on B/v Soh, Panic strikes, vamp, shadow arts. you are not a thief if you use that —-- you are an AI bot being carried.

you do realize d/p was designed to be the thief’s “Starter” weapon right… that is the main reason it hasn’t been nerfed as much as every other set.

Thieves are a lootbag, you simply need to know how they mechanically funtion to make it so. you can live in denial if you would like but that does not make it true.

Nocta that is perfect insanity, so we have one guy who is learning new mechanics, and one who is remembering how the thief used to play…. who the hell did you think was going to win…

I do this from time to time, the last time i did i had every member of my team report me, I’m still here and there rage is what made them lose the 4v4

Unranked worked, gonna try ranked again.

Yeah i think mine is too, 20 mins so far.

Thieves should just roll another class, not only is it much easier, but you only lose mere seconds to minutes on both the AI roll of Decap and ranger pet (+1).

These are the same people that Screetched teef Op for the past 3 year’s, your not going to convince them, they are just mechanically inept. now that they can finally win do you really think there going to admit thieves are a lootbag?

If you don’t mind dieing, start with a glass build.
Positioning is Extremely important in this game.

But Pvp seasons are probably going to be a year long

El Psy, that has nothing to do with condition removal, that is another topic. you are delirious if you think i am going to argue with you on that point. really what thief would…

Sir Vincent… I don’t want to “Beat That” again, that would be far to easy of a play style. i was just informing you that we do in fact have enough condition clearing coming. That was more then enough when i tested it vs 2 burn eles and a well necro in pvp.

Dare Devil + Trickery. Dual Roll’s, S/d./Staff

Withdraw: 2 conditions cleared, chill,immobilize,cripple.
RfI: 2 conditions cleared + chill,immobilize,cripple.
Evades: 1 con cleared.
Inf S Return: 1 cleared.
Staff 3: Cripple, chill, immobilize.
The other way’s i’m to lazy to write:

That is more then enough condition clear. Anything more and it will be to easy, anything less would become troublesome. Do you guy’s really want thing’s simplified to a point where we are like every other class? It’s been done to much already if you ask me..

We Need more Passives…
Passives on top of other passives, that counter passives.

You’ve done a bang up job so far by adding:
Passive Defenses:
Condition removal
CC removal
Damage removal (passive healing)

And Passive Offensive:
Condition Applying
CC applying
Damage appying

So Why stop now!!!!
Please return Hard to Catch to us cause moving is hard work. make it baseline for Everyone!!!
Also we need Auto Follow and “Copy target’s attack” cause i don’t really want to play PVP i just want to Win Big while eating my cereal.

If you add more Passives you will go Esports, for sure!! that’s what esports is all about right? well maybe not, you might need more blinding visual effects, and more f2p style pop up loot! (only whites and grays though people don’t like to be rewarded for there work)

Also please continue to add spam conditions! The amount was never the problem but Why stop now!!! where almost at the “Best it’s ever been point” of balance! perhaps adding torment/preplexity ect we can raise it to Wvw levels! look at the wonders it did for small scale roaming there.

And that wonderful downstate!! well used to be wonderful. with all the recent damage buff’s It’s almost on par to where it should be. That’s not good at all… How are we suppose to see Esports team A 3 cap Esports team 2 if they can’t instant rez. and rally the rest of the Team!!! clearly needs work.

Also the Heart of the mist is far to big!, no one want’s to watch someone jump around for 20 mins, no! we need to jam him into a small room for an hour! that is sure to attract viewers!

I am super serious… OR i would be, but i can’t find my passive for that

Maugetarr.6823:

Cynz.9437:

Want to have extra frustrating time? Play w/o vamp runes on thief….. :|

If you’re a masochist, play without vamp runes, shadow arts, or any stealth utility on your skill bar.

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kitten

You should be posting this on the main thread. IF all the info is complied at one place it will be much quicker for the dev’s to read through it all.
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It Needs some work, I’m going to bullet point most of this. keep in mind this is only from one day of testing.

Day 1:
-Staff animation are far to slow, The staff should have the same IAS as sword, A staff is much quicker to wield then a greatsword, it seems to me the ias is about the same as a GS atm.
- Like other’s have mention there is no fluidity with the dodge rolls. The stop before and after kills it.

Arcobatics Changes:

-Removed Expedious dodgers from Acrobatics, add baseline to “Dash”, (brings it to 10seconds) Make this spot a +5-10% modifier for acrobatics (That’s your main problem with acro line)
-Add Staff to Swindler’s Equilibrium.

- Bound, Increase radius of Aoe a tad bit, Eventally you will have to dodge roll away from the enemy. we are squishy thiefs after all. maybe set it at 200-250, since the roll is 350 you can still miss but not as much.

-Wpn skills

— Staff 5: Vault: Great skill but, Increase height jumped, the height should be the same as the walls at mid point in legacy of the foefire. this will help Rotations on that map, though it would still be slower then SB. (Offhand diversity)
- Staff 2: weakening charge, Needs a range increase. Every thief uses sb for movement, to get some diversity into the mix the staff should have a longer gap closer. Needs targeting.
Staff 3: Debilitating arc: It’s decent, if you increase staff 2, this should also be increased.
(good job on the 50 less range, it add’s synergy)
Staff 4: It’kitten and miss
Staff 1 + stealth: IF you are going to keep the damage that low (which is a good idea) you should add boon hate to this. like the old larc strike maybe make this steal 2-3 boons on hit. this will help us thin out those pesky ele’s. and give us a bit more sustain.

There is not much of an increase in sustainability. the only way i figured was Every + healing trait, Caltrops, caltrops on dodge, and Som. You could do this before so there is no change.

Utilities:

Bandits defense: This is a gem. It does have problems though. The animation is to slow, so if you pop this, a warrior hits you with 100 blades, you will be dead by the time your kick reaches them.
Fist Fury: The first attack should auto aim, (Just the first attack) The damage is a bit lack luster considering you are leaving yourself exposed.
Distracting daggers: Cast time is a bit to long, The dagger’s should last a bit longer, it’s good with s/p or d/p to chain interupts (a kitteneesy though)
Impairing daggers:

Ulti< Impact Strike:
Great skill, fluid doesn’t really need anything done to it.

I will edit this post today after playing, and then again tommorow.

IT needs work but it’s alright so far

The same Specs that killed small scale roaming in Wvw are now in Pvp…
I wonder what will happen..

Passive is best.

Supreme the reason most people don’t suggest a balance idea is rather simple. by the time arena net add’s it to the dev client, tests and reiterates, the proposed change is already obsolete.

Blinding powder + black powder.
Black powder + shortbow 2 (cluster shot)
Black powder + heartseeker.
Smoke Screen + Blinding powder.
Smoke Screen + cluster shot
Smoke screen + heartseeker
Shadow trap.

Counter : wait till DD uses vault. hit him with immobilize, watch him curse the immobilize glitch before dieing.

This is just plain sad.

Ladies and gentlemen of the gw2 forum. this is why every single ninja/thief/acro/ reaction based profession in every single online game get’s nerfed into oblivion.
let the idiocy start again.

I’m assuming your refering to 2/0/0/6/6/ s/d thief the one that could durge for days..
that spec was a joke. all it took to beat was a tiny fragment of knowledge about thief mechanics to kill. yet that was asking for to much right?

If your going to start up the anti thief cult again at least wait till they post the numbers on this upcoming spec…

Don’t worry karl though we love to troll you, we don’t hate you.

I’m sure most of us understand the real enemy is upper management and lack of funding

Do we even care?
a thief is a thief even if it’s specialized.

Saiyan.1704:

Bu-but 11k health thieves needs to be able to backstab for 7k while also be immune to conditions!

kappa

Why not warriors can hit with 9k final strike while being immuned to conditions, i guess they have 18k life so it’s not a good example…

Thank you Op.
+1’ing a fight is a roll already fulfilled by rangers pet’s, Minions, and other add on npc’s.