Guild Wars 2

That isnt true in the slightest nocta.

D/p was always a better 1vs1 set. now it was a bit more balanced before they nerfed iniaitive regen/vigor regin/ and nerfed dps on every single s/d wpn ability. (besides auto attack) but a d/p thief should of never lost. before or after.

The s/d meta build at the time was complete and utter garbage. It lacked the damage to kill a glass orientated thief spec. Sorry but that meta was before i tanked my MMR i seen so many tourney thiefs on that sub par crap it was mind boggling. (i miss solo queue the match ups where much more entertaining)

Finally. the only reason it was succesful at all was due to the Pvp population. By now you must of realized that “Timing” Is near extinct. and “timing” is one of the things required to fight a s/d user.

^ Batman is only Op because they nerfed joker ^

um win your next game and it will be 50/50..

Zerker meta for sure.

It was closer to being the most balanced.. it was the reason most player’s thought this game had the potetal to go from “Good” to “Great” now we would be lucky to get that back to “average”

I also agree with pimsley, the trait changed where fine for other spec’s but pretty much 80% of thiefs used 4 lines. i wouldn’t use sleight of hand before that change now i’m pretty much stuck taking it. and honestly the only reason i take that passive crap is to reduce the steal recharge time which they increased that patch..

Jan 17 is when Bns launches.

let’s make this easy.

Best = Anything that does not require thought, complete with passives and spammy Aoe /w high sustain and thief burst damage.

Worst: Thief / warrior.

your graphics card is failing. random black boxes are never good

yes they should “balance” It to take up the whole point like every other classes AOE….

“I am not serious”

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

brannigan.9831:

Burtnik.5218:

I que sometimes with a friend whos playing thief. Hes dangerous 1v1 and can eat revs and necros for breakfast. Also good at +1 to jump in, burst someone in 2sec and go somewhere else. Ppl have no idea how strong DD is. Underrated class atm and thats olny bc majority of thief community sux.

Almost no thieves play like this. Let me give you a rough outline how the average thief in spvp plays. Start the match by going to far to engage in pointless 1v1 and lose horribly to start match. Engage in as many meangingless 1v1s as possible during the match often on points the other team color that are guarded by people they can’t kill. Get involved in meaningless fights in the middle of the map off point. Get involved in big team fights and get zapped by random aoe. Cause everyone to rage with there incompetance. +1 one on side points and intelligent reading of the map to cap side points left open almost NEVER happens.

Thief community is to blame here tho. I know how average Joe plays. Most people that picked up thieves want to play it like rambo, they fail at it and screams thief sux. Good thief can be a gamechanger, i lost games and won just bc either me or my enemy had good thief that was keep decapping close/far. You basically have to let someone camp close in this situation forcing to 4v5.

LOL you really don’t know what you are talking about.

They do not. And there rage is endless. which is great since he’s one of my favorite troll targets.

It’s there own fault kdaddy, If they didn’t grind so much when the leagues started, they wouldn’t of been legend/diamond, which means faster match making.

They need to remove the activation time on Withdraw and Roll for iniaitive. They claim it’s only .1 second’s. i don’t believe that though.

A hilarious story: so the other day i seen a DH trapper on point. not a big deal, Flanking strike into INf signet (which basically means you port while in an evade frame) Than spam Roll for inaitive (get’s you out of traps).
yeah so banging on roll for inaitive all through the evade from FS, but it didn’t matter. in .1 seconds (activation time) he had taken me from 18k life to 0. now that hilarious part is even at launch d/d thief’s burst would still take longer then that. (Steal + cnd + BS)

Asking for changes on thiefs is pointless, the thief and warrior dev seemed to be the only two dev’s that tried to balance. the rest just aimed for hur dur power creep. don’t get me wrong i would love sword 2 back. as that added a ton of variety. but it’s unlikely….

Edit: had inf strike instead of inf signet.

It’s simple. Arena net took the player out of player vs player.

As for “People who think there good” You do realize half these thieves where annihilating these whiner’s for year’s. sadly these players don’t realize they are not winning now at all. it was just arena net’s nerf one power creep the rest approch that makes them believe there “more skilled” This is really common in ESL player’s.

I got some good rage Shot’s from some of them,

If your a thief just play to have fun. the dev’s cater to the fingerless in this game and i cant see it changing any time soon. They already killed the combat of this game, it’s just a matter of time before pvp dies (Look at Wvw the exact same thing happened there)

I love how everyone forget’s about launch. you know when mesmer’s could kill people by simply watching them dodge roll with confusion stacks.or how about PU spec… no? they don’t count well i guess they never had a power spec with a cheesy name like shatterer… oh wait…

well this is a blast from the past.

Thiefs really didn’t get to much with the expansion. you are pretty much dead on calling daredevil acrobatics 2.0. Staff is a decent weapon though. the problem is all the damage is loaded onto vault and #2 (If you can root yourself to hit with all 3 attacks).

If you remeber the old shadow step stomp technique you can use it on the new elite “Impact strike” you have to hit with the first 2 attacks but the last one doesn’t require a target. If you do enough damage with the 3rd attack to bring them to downstate it will count as an instant kill. it add’s variety but it’s annoying when you compare it to something like engineers function gyro where you can pretty much fire and forget.

Pve: this is locked behind the new mastery system, which means you can only get so far before you have to “grind” the next mastery to unlock X ability to proceed with the story. it is kind of annoying. I haven’t finished it so i can’t comment if it’s better then Ls1 or ls2. If you do want to see some pve, the sooner the better. eventally these maps will dry up and it will be harder to level your masteries.

Pvp: Every thief quit. making me the last thief in pvp and by defination the best!!. alright i kid. but most thief’s did move on to diffrent classes, even the ESL player’s so we should get a buff in 2-3 months or perhaps they will nerf other classes ( the better option). The problem is they added so much sustain, CC and Aoe’s to the other classes it’s extremly annoying to fight against them. i have crit people for a whooping 300 damage. which would be understandable if i was naked, but alas i’m semi burst.

As for are role. well that role wasn’t even viable when you think about it. the only time you can decap is if your teamates can hold two points (which will force the defender off point) not really possible when you are fighting 4 bunkers every match. as for +1
well Vault, Bounding dodger. Staff 2, impairing dagger’s. all do decent damage so that is still possible at least.

your best bet is just to log on and try it yourself honestly. just know you are going to die. alot

^^ Ignore everything here and fight me off point" ^^

-the collector of QQ.

P.s: I guess i can help this thread, cynically.

Stomps are worth five points,. this mean you need a kill total of 100 player’s in a span of 15 min’s OR every team member must kill 20 player’s each. This basically means you must stand on point at all costs! So remember, if you happen across an enemy on the road, just ignore him and skillful run . running is always the answer
er sorry Skillfully running… backcapping

SlayerSixx.5763:

Chaith.8256:

It’s ironic because I was making fun of those who sincerely believe that pro teams have any input on this absolute horrid display of balance.

I’m not one of the people who believe that you alone got minstrel removed, but if ANET doesn’t take suggestions from their best players, who DO they listen to?

upper management or there publishers/ investors . we don’t really know atm. we can make a guess when blade and soul comes out though as they will have the same publisher.

Look up some glass door reviews, while some of them might be “disgruntled employee’s” the theme of there statement’s pretty much remains the same.
“Disconnected”

you are full of it..

If you are solo queing (judging from your rank you are not) Ruby is all your going to get to anyway.

remember: win one game get a pip, lose a game (with the same point total) lose 2 pips.

70 games, that’s extreme, think i have like 15 so far.
amber for life boys!!

we should leave withdraw and Roll bugged, cause every thief loves rolling in one spot.

Also

“We strongly believe that regular balance updates are one of the key pillars of building a successful competitive game. As such, prior to each season, there will be a balance update. League play will generally begin about two weeks after a balance update to ensure that the metagame has stabilized in an appropriate manner. Balance will be closely monitored throughout the season with the goal of having solid balance going into the postseason tournaments.”

“We strongly believe that regular balance updates are one of the key pillars of building a successful competitive game. As such, prior to each season, there will be a balance update. League play will generally begin about two weeks after a balance update to ensure that the metagame has stabilized in an appropriate manner. Balance will be closely monitored throughout the season with the goal of having solid balance going into the postseason tournaments.”

So… already knowing the answer, you guy’s didn’t fix any of the thief bug’s either did you…

wish i was surprised
It’s all good we love dead withdraw’s and roll for iniaitive, who needs to move, nooo we all love to face tank that stuff…

“We strongly believe that regular balance updates are one of the key pillars of building a successful competitive game. As such, prior to each season, there will be a balance update. League play will generally begin about two weeks after a balance update to ensure that the metagame has stabilized in an appropriate manner. Balance will be closely monitored throughout the season with the goal of having solid balance going into the postseason tournaments.”

“We strongly believe that regular balance updates are one of the key pillars of building a successful competitive game. As such, prior to each season, there will be a balance update. League play will generally begin about two weeks after a balance update to ensure that the metagame has stabilized in an appropriate manner. Balance will be closely monitored throughout the season with the goal of having solid balance going into the postseason tournaments.”

but but they did balance, they nerfed thieves steal cause … well there idiots

+1

isn’t going to happen though cause arena net had there brain kicked in as a child.

(well that’s the only justifcation i can find for this idiotic nerf)

congrats on finding a level of stuipidity below kittenation. bravo…

you asked what this thread was about

The V.8759:

can you define what you are talking about? Your post really doesn’t clear anything up.
If you are talking about rev downed skill 1, it’s not an autoattack.

Words of ego boosting.

The amount of stun’s they added is going to directly effect there retention rate. If you have played any mmorpg that released lately you have already seen this kill multiple games. (like archeage as an example) while you might see a temporary spike in your metric’s. ( you where going to see this from the expansion anyway) i can almost guarantee it will destroy the retention rate your so proud off.

those builds have no longevity, you get sick of them fast because they take control from the player. that is a huge mistake in a video game, one that is becoming more and more common.

Learn to dance!

(really though you need to use an emote to allow movement, it’s an old bug that they fixed but it came back with hot.)

Dual endure pain: 8 seconds + 2 evades = 9.5 seconds “Immune”
5 thief dodges: 4.5 seconds + 3 Flanking Srikes (kitten it let’s add dual rolls to get it closer = 7.5 seconds “Immune”

12k back stab “Teef Op NERF”
20k gunflame “Gimmick build”

yeah that sounds about right.

(don’t freak out kiddo’s this is done as a jest)

This thread is hilarious, some of these people are just trying to stroke there own ego.
They just don’t want to admit they are being carried by arena net.

nocta If you really think s/d was the best 1vs1 thief set, i really have to give you the old face palm. It was always d/p, it became closer when they nerfed blinding powder. my god man….

This is why you should NEVER ask for a bug fix on a thief. it will alway’s end up a nerf.

Lol thanks for the laugh OP.

You didn’t seriously believe they would buff thieves… this is arena net.

tomato blade op nerf now.

Your assuming there better, When in reality they are just using the passives that arena net has given them. that isn’t skill but constant whining my friend (yes i read your sig)

There is no skill involved in this game,

Chances are he was hit with the AA full chain first, then hit with vault. This would show the 22k damage, but it’s from multiple attacks.

So let me get this straight, They Nerf Acrobatic’s because you guy’s couldn’t figure out that CC and conditions countered that spec. They hand out reveals, Aoe ,CC’s and conditions like candy (elite specs) then give thief’s a sub par version of acro. and your still complaining?

you’ve gone went full kitten son.

yeah i’m using exuberance myself the healing power is a complete waste on thief’s though, but with mara and no qaurter your sitting at 78% chance to crit with 200+ crit and around 2000 power. with 19 000 life

*had crit chance two times.

Reserved for future trolling (this is the thief forum)

daredevil >reverant > beserker = daredevil < DH

> d/d > Reaper > chrono < daredevil = tempest

or something close to that.

well the dev’s believe all thief’s are devils
and it is a dare to pick thief.

at least the name fits

kagesigi, that build is clearly Op. you only have to use 2 ultilies to get 25 stacks, no it need to be nerfed to be more in line with are pure signet build….

now with 25 stacks of might on a reverant, it is clearly under powered, there sword 3 only hits for 11k, there 3 main damage abilities from hammer only hit for a pittance of 5k-9k. from 1200 range, needs buff’s to become viable..

( i love how some people think the op is serious)

I didn’t watch your video, but this comment irks me.

“And this vid can say anyone who ask to buff thief that class isn’t in very bad state.
It is enjoyable to play.”

the Core thief is in a bad place, daredevil is not.

Why not? it’s a good way to kill time while waiting in que.

Typical response, can’t contend with logic so you resort to petty attacks. you know the point of “forums” is to debate stuff right?

Ah and that is the crutch of it ain’t it loki, When other classes lose to a thief it’s cause there OP. so you whine on the forum and get random power creep.

When a thief loses it’s clearly a L2p issue.

Thanks for the nice example of biased.

This game will never go esports.

When we think pvp we think Player vs player
When arena net thinks pvp they think passive vs passive

Keyboard turner’s are there target audience, There just going to keep increasing CC, AOE, Passive defenses, Offensive passives, and anything else that doesn’t involve an ouch of brainpower. this game will never be anything more then a filler at this point.

Once you realize that, this game becomes hilarious. Enjoy the ride down i know i am.

I like to teleport around so i will post in this thread.