I don’t log on much because I get depressed I am just sitting in the mists. But I am here everyday.
You should hop onto some AOTM scrims
(just for fun)
Message me, sounds fun.
@Defektive- thanks bro
@Steamhawke- I am starting to log in more again
I don’t log on much because I get depressed I am just sitting in the mists. But I am here everyday.
Lb/Hammer??? Do you even mobility bro
You need to learn to be completely accurate and make suggestions not just exaggerated complaints.
Just to list a few exaggerations right off the bat.
“Most of the classes have evades or teleports on weapons skills, even stealths…. warrior dosent.”
-GS Whirl is an evade.
“Most of the classes have burst skills that can be used while moving and do pretty good damage…. warrior dosent”
-Final Thrust, Eviscerate, Skull Crack, Earthshaker, etc
I want the Warrior profession to get some love too, but you aren’t going to help get it by being inaccurate.
I personally don’t think the Warrior needs much, I think the Warrior is the balanced profession and the others need to be toned down, AOE condi toned down, AOE in general toned down, etc. If these changes happened it would make the Warrior a lot stronger.
Also I think like I mentioned in another post, adrenaline/burst skills need to be reworked to spend the adrenaline immediately upon activating the skill instead of waiting until it lands to dump and then retaining it if you miss. This would fix Cleansing Ire so that it was an amazing trait with every weapon, not just ok/mediocre (lets be honest its not helping a full melee build if the condition I need off includes blind) at most and great with Longbow.
Healing signet passive should be buffed to at least 300+/tic.
Reduce the cooldowns on the other heals slightly.
Change Surge to always heal the full amount and give adrenaline. The adrenaline requirement completely screws it up, you mean I can’t use my trait to get my poison off before I use this long cooldown heal?
That’s about it. Start there, real small.
For moving burst I think he meant you can be moving while bursting. I think this would only encompass skull crack, final thrust from your list of a few. Other skills are movement skills, not skills that let you move. Just to clarify. Sorry for full quoting.
Mesmers, Eles and thieves with no traits?
Sounds like Engineers win.Maybe, maybe, but it would be interesting to see mesmers with weaker phantasm spam, no clone on dodge spam nor shattering without clones; or elementalists without a buttload of effects each time they press a key to use a cantrip. It wouldn’t be balanced, but it could be worth experimenting.
I imagine that the game is balanced to first order around no traits. It has to be, else all balance would be relative to certain builds. It is most likely beta damage was toned on several builds and such. Because without traits it was still very strong.
All balance IS relative to traits and certain builds..have you tried playing no arcana elementalist for example ? :P
Basically anet has shown clearly that they intend to do everything to balance around the strong builds no matter the concequences
It cannot be. Maybe it is becoming that way most recently, but number balance is certainly done before traits. To stick with your elementalist example, old eviscerate would not have 1 shot that ele build. But it was other builds it would wipe and it was changed.
Now I know next traits must be considered because many traits shorten recharge and such.
But I want to point out that they do not balance builds initially. They balance traits and skills, which create new builds. Then they balance again which either creates a new build or weakens the current one.
Mesmers, Eles and thieves with no traits?
Sounds like Engineers win.Maybe, maybe, but it would be interesting to see mesmers with weaker phantasm spam, no clone on dodge spam nor shattering without clones; or elementalists without a buttload of effects each time they press a key to use a cantrip. It wouldn’t be balanced, but it could be worth experimenting.
I imagine that the game is balanced to first order around no traits. It has to be, else all balance would be relative to certain builds. It is most likely beta damage was toned on several builds and such. Because without traits it was still very strong.
War burst skills go on full cd if they miss. Honestly, if we lost the adrenaline, we could build it back up in the time frame. BS when it misses is able to be queued up again instantly.
Until everything reaches warrior level, strong classes complaining about stronger classes is like first world problems.
No offense to any person in particular, but the forums have really become: This build is OP because it is easier to faceroll then my faceroll build.
AOE condi cleave- stupid faceroll
S/D thief- lol don’t catch me faceroll
Rangers- pets/spirits faceroll for you
mesmers- either my AI facerolls you or my immunity accessibility
necromancer- freight train faceroll aoe everything
engineer- Cool story free undodge-able 100% burning proc for 4 seconds
Elementalist- more skills to faceroll you with- but I will just recharge my same 5
I would like to join you.
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Everyone who does not think this is a legitimate change has simply not played against good thieves.
Hey I am interested if you are interested.
Put me down for it. I am interested in playing with that combination
I think it comes down to replenishing the hp pool. That is what you see with elementalists. Who cares if I have 30k hp if I can’t replenish it. But if I can replenish my 15k hp regularly, it is the equivalent of having more hp in the long run.
Trying to put together a team from starting instead of existing if you are interested.
Name sounds familiar what does he play?
If your willing to form up a team and not join an existing team, talk to me.
When I lose faith, Defektive is always there to restore it. I was the one running mace/shield gs. But my role was different. Frankly after about 1.5 weeks, I felt like the cleave was crappy. It is solid 1v1, but in team fights your only role was stuns because damage was low. 100blades didn’t even reach 10k.
Overall recent war changes, we are no longer designated dps. Leave that to other classes. As kinda alluded to in this thread, set up other people. Or just play peeler for the team (See mist league match of OP vs. SOAC blue). To go dps at this point is to err. Triple stance, I am waiting for stance reduction trait, then it is unstoppable beast time.
This is something I am willing to do. I sense your level-headedness will be complimentary.
Is that triple stance I see there?
Steamhawke hit me up
Bump please, I am searching again and instead of creating a new thread, I will just revive this one.
Lol I agree with bry. There is kittening a 100 threads about warriors being bad I agree the warriors are not meta atm, but everyone is acting like warriors can’t do anything. First L2P the class then post your concerns. There are a lot of tricks with the class you can learn to be successful.
I can spend 1,000 hours learning how to play warrior to a point where it is average to above average in tpvp, or I can play a necro and mesmer for 10 hours and learn how to play it to a point where it is average to above average in tpvp, and then play it for 100 more hours and play it at a point where it is exceptional in tpvp.
That’s the problem in a nutshell.
Well the thing is its not going to be an easy class to play everything is not going to be handed to you, but by no means does it need a million threads on the topic. Anet has already seen its an issue and hopefully will implement some more tools to make them fit into the meta some way. I am just hoping that the changes do not decrease the skill cap significantly because I kind of like that this class toke a good while to learn.
I thought this maybe 5 months ago lol. But 10 months in, nah they don’t know what to do with it.
Bas, two weeks in game is like 2 months real life.
Best Determination face NA is back
This is Player versus Player not Player versus Environment.
This is like having exploding 1 hit kill barrels everywhere in a shooting game.
I never understood developers obsession with floating maps. They did this in one of my favorite shooters and honestly falling to your death is terrible. It is even worse then 1 shot bursts.
Joined a Skyhammer room. Proceeded to the point. Floor vanished from below me. 5 points to Gryffindor. gg
No warrior conditions? Phooey
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Whirlwind hitting for 14k aoe instantly on startup or having above average corpse cleave with 100b should not be the only thing which makes warriors viable. Nor is it currently enough to make warriors viable, either.
14k whirlwind is a thing of the past. Or at least in my build it is. I miss those days though, Prolly still possible in some setups.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/K-pop-war-wish-list/first#post2354707
Just adding to the pot. I like the idea of a super thread which references every other idea thread.
Even elixir res will out res a 100 blades cleave by itself. Unless you quickness I guess.
Other classes condition traits are as follows: Remove a condition every x. Requires nothing on the person’s part but having the trait.
Honestly, unless you really really want to play warrior, I would suggest playing a different class to sure yourself headaches in spvp. Now if this isn’t for spvp, then have at it. We are strong.
Ermm ma gawd. Nothing but love for Caed, solid player. And best determination face NA, from back when I watched his streams.
JS, JP warrior changes thank you.
In PvP power creep implies over buffs. People say class X is weak, so class X is buffed. Then later Class Y. Then Class Z. All to bring them up to par with Class W. Now you have 4 stronger classes then before. When simply Class W could have been toned down to the levels of the other weaker classes. If everything was brought down to warrior level in terms of specialization, game would be much slower paced.
So… you want Arena Net to only buff Warriors next patch? Or only nerf in general as opposed to buffing? Because buffing things allegedly hastens the pace of play, which is definitely a bad thing?
Sorry I really don’t get where you’re going with this or why it involves power creep.
You just didn’t read this. The end result is bring down classes not bring them up. You just assume my attachment to warrior and post randomly about it. And this is exactly what power creep is in this game.
The easiest fix to conquest atm is just make it so more people on the node caps it faster or decaps it. that would change up play enough that you couldn’t have someone 1v2 because they would be getting decapped.
In PvP power creep implies over buffs. People say class X is weak, so class X is buffed. Then later Class Y. Then Class Z. All to bring them up to par with Class W. Now you have 4 stronger classes then before. When simply Class W could have been toned down to the levels of the other weaker classes. If everything was brought down to warrior level in terms of specialization, game would be much slower paced.
All I am saying is if you look at every level 20 trait, the one you are proposing would eclipse its ability. It would be too powerful for master level.
sPvP players have so much disdain against WvW players. It is not like we are better players because we have a smaller game mode. It is just a delusional mindset that causes people to stratify and not work together across the game.
The whole I am better than you mentality is stupid.
I didn’t want this thread to become a who is more qualified player comparison. I just want a warrior there. If it is me or not that doesn’t matter. Just someone who knows and is willing to articulate the issues properly.
If they can combine the Slashing Power trait and Forceful Greatsword trait, that will be beautiful.
Honestly if they did that, then it would have to become grandmaster. Extra flat damage, reduce cd, and might gain would be so much for 20 points. Then we have to figure out if it goes in strength or arms. And that would be huge in terms of builds.
The point is to get warriors some face time with the devs. As every other major play class has seen face time and subsequent refinement
This is the time to get our voices heard. Cast your support of a warrior on the next State of the Game by posting support in this thread.
Every class that has been on SotG sees competitive play. And it is more then association, its practically casual.
So cast your support now. We want unstoppable beast mode.
I really wanted to provide constructive tweaks to try and bring us up. But frankly in the AoE condi meta, the only way we have a chance is if each of our attacks hit for like 5000 damage.
We are just gone from competitive play at this point. I tried to bring it within earshot but unless the team is made for it, it does not fit.
In a discussion with some WvW guys, we came up with a conclusion as to why people do not come over to spvp. It is not cosmetics of armor or weapons.
The answer is much simpler.
———-They cannot run the same build that they usually run in their respective game format.What does this mean?
———-They cannot achieve the same stat spread across attack, defense, crit chance, and crit damage.The end result?
————-The build does not play nearly the same. So effectively it is a different build or a different game altogether.So why leave my comfortable game mode with the build I know how to play with the stats tailored to what I want?
———-There is no good reason.
And that is why people do not cross game modes.TLDR: PVE Players don’t want to learn new things or improve their game.
Never sad that. Never said anyone needed improvement or anyone was worse or better.
I just want to point out that his 10k eviscerates could still be done pre June patch.
Defektive, what program do you use to track key strokes?