Guild Wars 2

Other classes: “I can take him, he is a warrior” proceeds to get killed “Noob warrior using 100 blades, l2p.”

Let’s go warriors. We can do this.

KarlaGrey.5903:

Great! Can you now talk to them and have them fix rongers? Especially their minio…pets.
Then onto implementing obs mode in torunaments, splitting up random que, fixing all the crappy map designs, balancing out professions, adding weeklies, monthlies etc.

Sounds like I need a job lol

jportell.2197:

Blackhat.4016:

jportell.2197:

And how many really high damage skills do mesmers have that don’t require a target? How many utility skills offer us invulnerability? How many movement skills do we have inour wweapons? How about for escaping a fight? Even necros can out run us or catch us… What about evades on our weapons as far as weapon movement goes we have 2 that’s it

This… doesn’t make a 2 second invulnerability on a 10 second CD less OP. If you think other skills need a buff that’s fine but this thread is not about the other skills.

It doesn’t make all other classes skills for avoiding damage while still being able to do high damage and deal with conditions better than us any less annoying to us. Blurred frenzy only does high damage in shatter builds and it is the only reliable damage mitigation we have in weapon sets… Both blocks that we have available only block ONE attack while other classes that have them block them for a set duration on matter what. Other classes have better weapon evasion than us. And if they bite off more than they can chew they can run away much easier. And to the person that said “Anything I said is now discredited” A necro with signet of locust is hard to catch especially for mesmers and especially since phantasmal berserker still does not freaking work… I’m sick of my class get nerfed over and over and over just because kittenes cannot L2P. I would loveee to have the damage mitigation that other classes get that mesmers are severely lacking but I deal with what I got. (FYI i’m not defending blurred frenzy because I use sword… haven’t touched it in months.) Objectively speaking other classes match our damage mitigation with their skill and put out high damage still. Blurred frenzy also only does high damage in shatter builds… in other builds (immortal and such) blurred frenzy damage is terrible.

Lol at the l2p claim. No one cares about the blurred frenzy damage.

Two problems with the skill:

1) it auto faces the target and tracks the target. You cannot walk through blurred frenzy and mitigate the damage.

2) 2 seconds of evade. Key word here EVADE. Which means unlike block skills that you claim about every other class which are not evades btw.
Advantages of being an evade:
1) Unblockable items do not hit through it. I.E. warrior new signet, unblockable marks, ground fields etc.
2) it is effectively a dodge, like whirlwind. However before you go on whirlwind 8sec traited cd remember that whirlwind does not track the player automatically. And the evade is only 1 second. Effective up time 12.5%

New since when?

If your looking for boon duration, perhaps you can try a combination of rune sets. I say I prolly spend an average of 5 seconds in a weapon set unless I am looking for a specific opening.

uberkingkong.8041:

You told anet to fix this!

I did actually I talked to Evan in game

Zodian.6597:

Someone should test this build and let me know how it goes, I’ve been having some success with it, but I’d like to know how it works for others.
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-s777w;0VK-N0d4BL-60;9;4J-99T49;20;00;059ARN-6C;1qNYCqNYC6Bd (gw2 forums suck with ITM, copy and paste if bad link)

I’ve learned that soldiers is pretty much essential for an evis build, the damage trade off for zerkers isn’t worth getting 3 shot over, and knights damage dips a bit too low without providing that much more survivability (only against condis rely).

The monk runes give you an added aegis to go with your elite, this helps to give you the opener in 1v1s. Intelligence sigils let you negate crit chance.

I chose axe off hand over mace after a lot of testing. Since the build uses axe as a double mainhand, you become bottleknecked by OH cooldowns, the axe 5 works as a “filler skill” -being that it’s channeled for 3.5 seconds, this adds to the overall fluidity of your dps output and adrenaline generation. Axe 4 gives you a bit of fury (in a build with 8% crit chance) and can hit for decent damage sometimes as well. Overall, axe OH over mace because mace will bottleneck your constant DPS and bogg down the your pacing of combat. -This is a personal preference though, you’re welcome to try mace if you’d like (plus I suck at landing tremors lol).

Utilities: Bolas because you have no gap closer, signet of stamina because condis are imba, greater justice for the fury and might (which outlasts the cooldown so it’s pretty much passive). I was using endure pain over signet of stamina for awhile, but I died way too much to condis.

If you happen to try it let me know how it works out, It’s loads of fun and pretty easy to get the hang of if you’re just starting out on warrior.

Your traits do not really enhance your build here. You have cripple on immob but 1 source of cripple. Movement break immob but only shield bash and evis for movement.
Off hand axe I tried maybe first week and it just doesn’t cut it for dps or survivability.
Considering fast swaps, I suggest using non shared weapons.
Reckless dodge will consume your crit swap.
Without critical chance, Eviscerate is a wet napkin from my experience, 3k is not a show stopper.
The runes you chose I do not understand what the role is in the build? Mending and healing power don’t really scale all that much.

No offense, just my two cents

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

I’ll make a fix for this. Thanks.

It would be nice if you also fixed the other 500 issues with the game, but I suppose a single bug fix and a thousand tooltip fixes a month is fine.

Bro. Every fix is progress. That is one less bug. And well that is all we can ask for.

Thank you sir. I figured video would be the easiest way to show this. Just was not trying to get banned in the process :p

please respond, acknowledge, something. At least map change is tomorrow but it will be back.

If you have someone walk out of eviscerate range then you are casting from too far away.

You take more damage in downed state.

And your crits on that ele were much higher then average, like almost 1k more in auto attack then usual.

Only targets in current meta that seem to take 10k eviscerates are hgh engis, mesmers, and thieves due to their builds
All others average around 6-8k.

Eviscerate doesnt miss moving targets. It will change direction actually if a person teleports. It is an amazing skill.

This is why spirit watch needs to be repaired asap. This is game breaking from the point that it is not intended at all.

I made this before and I am not sure if it is addressed. Here is the click of the exploit, after the match is over.

http://www.twitch.tv/interpretinterrupt/c/2249097

This works for any off the three nodes. I am sure it is just a node sizing issue versus orb capture size issue.

lol in 15 characters
Honestly, there are only so many effective combinations at the moment for tournaments. I guess for dueling you can be super tanky and cheesy but it does not really matter.

Hi,

I made this before and I am not sure if it is addressed. Here is the click of the exploit, after the match is over.

http://www.twitch.tv/interpretinterrupt/c/2249097

This works for any off the three nodes. I am sure it is just a node sizing issue versus orb capture size issue.

I thought you were on Garb. Ill hit you up in game.

Numbers change with the traits sometimes, you not using any different traits?

The wiki says the tool tip is incorrect. Did you catch that? Specifically says does half the damage. Maybe they just corrected the number.

Give the guy a break. We see that each spvp server has a player limit. To increase the limit so more people could watch would be doubling their required resources for example. This is ridiculous for real time spectating to be available initially.

Plus GW1 observer mode was a recording. It was not real time like this spectator is currently. People never gonna be happy bro.

Since blurred frenzy gives distortion and now distortion lets for decap, does blurred frenzy cause for decap as well?

Or is it just distortion skill.

Sb hits 3 targets for 1k damage for no initiative. It needed some balance/.

10k Eviscerate 20/20/0/0/30 sPvP
vs mesmer in standard glass cannon build 20/20/0/0/30

I thought it was first in first out. But they said they had a formula so who knows anymore.

Brigg.6189:

I’ll bite though, what was a game with good balance?

I do not think there is a game with balance. Just games with metas.
If a meta is balanced, does not make the game balanced.

Clearly the devs get my point, else they would just be buffing everything, instead of nerfing the strong things like i have been saying.

Anastasis.7258:

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Had a similar idea posted on here 2 weeks ago. Different approach to HGH warrior. 20/10/10/0/30 something like that. mace shield longbow.

I think you can benefit from burst mastery more that double adren on hit.

The reason why Longbow is so important is because of Building Momentum. with energy sigil and longbow F1, you get a lot of dodges. Thats the way to keep yourself stay alive longer. Also the might stacking get more effect on condi damage, so the longbow burning become an important dps as well. The great sword also important because of its mobility, and the GS #3 also count as a dodge. To combine everything together, you can dodge more than other ppl do, and that’s how hard to play well on a longbow warrior.

So much dodge, but you not able to do damage while dodging. Ultimately my version has less mobility. I went with the might stacking while blocking. Blocking prevents almost as much damage as dodging but with the added effect of reflecting projectiles. I agree the main damage is the longbow and same for mine.

That is the reason for my decisions, but I will have to try your variant.

Had a similar idea posted on here 2 weeks ago. Different approach to HGH warrior. 20/10/10/0/30 something like that. mace shield longbow.

I think you can benefit from burst mastery more that double adren on hit.

Aren’t people just copying the same builds anyway without spectator mode?

Writetyper.1985:

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

If everything is the same, someone will find a combination that is most optimal. Then you would want a buff to underused items.

What fails in all of your arguments is that there will always be one thing that is the best. When have you ever seen something in which options were balanced. So power creep is not a result of over buffing initially. It is a result of the optimal spec out performing the rest.

Have you never seen a game in a state of balance or near balance before or something? Are you suggesting we should leave these unused things unused and not even bother buffing them because they “might get too OP”? Not even giving them a niche, like this boon removal crap anet are doing with thief sword?

Maybe we should just nerf warriors some more, so they don’t become too OP. I mean they’re underused, it’s only natural that someone finds another class is more optimal.

non understanders gonna not understand. The only way for level ground would be if every skill did the same thing. You cannot balance two different play styles equally.

That is like trying to make an smg and a sniper rifle do the same damage.
People have found more optimal classes atm. But bringing everything up is worse than bringing everything down.
Skill X is so good, but Skills Y and Z are never used. Hey lets make Y and Z as good as X. Now you have 3 over powered skills instead of bringing them all into balance.
Key is balance. Making everything overpowered is not balance.

Making everything overpowered is not balance!!!!!

Kharr.5746:

Daecollo.9578:

You probably have a chart of what traits/weapons/utilities people do not use. There is a good reason they do not as well.

Can you please buff things people do not use?

Bad logic is bad. Just because something is underused does not mean it is underpowered.

Perfect example are d/d eles. At launch, d/d eles were very rare in sPVP since few people knew how to make it work. Turns out that once players figured out the class mechanics, the “underused” setup/class was actually too strong and is now getting balanced.

The same thing is also true of 100nades engies, and now HGH. The builds were available since launch but the community hadn’t figured them out yet so they weren’t popular.

A small number of people were ahead of the curve and figured these things out early.. then posted videos.. then they became FOTM.

I know of at least two overpowered s/tPVP builds that Anet is unknowingly buffing in the coming patch. They are OP right now and will be even more so in the next patch. I wonder how long it will be before one of these “underused” builds gets posted on the forums and becomes FOTM. I give it about a week, maybe two. Players will be demanding nerfs to previously underused skills

All of those initially were not used due to bugs or getting buffed along the way.

And this is not just a video game issue, its very common in life everywhere. Take a second think about it.

If everything is the same, someone will find a combination that is most optimal. Then you would want a buff to underused items.

What fails in all of your arguments is that there will always be one thing that is the best. When have you ever seen something in which options were balanced. So power creep is not a result of over buffing initially. It is a result of the optimal spec out performing the rest.

So you buff something, and then something else becomes unused. Then you buff that original thing, so on and so forth. Then you have power creep and everything is over the top.

Based on up coming changes with the patch, I would like to create a team.
Classes: Looking for a necro, a guardian, an engineer, and an elementalist.
Multi class experience is a bonus. Comps will adjust per map basically.

I require that you have some experience with tourneys.
We can develop synergy. At this point, I would like a min level of at least rank 30
Should not be too restrictive if you play consistently.

Times can be decided on as we come along but its mostly est nights.
NA team, something like 9pm est to 12pm est is when I am usually available.

I want to get about 6 people total for this team. still in start up phase, so opportunity is available.
pm me in game if interested.

Bump. I am serious about this. Even though I am getting trolled by voip heroes

kostbabis.8791:

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

MaXi.3642:

Acandis.3250:

I’d like to see the new numbers before giving you a better answer but a 4k heal on 25s CD is pretty good with that passive.

its not 4k, its 3k2 base, show me heal which heals less… and when you use it, you lose passive effect as you know, so its NEVER worth using it

Heal signet. Now go back to your ele is bad delusion

Its on 20sec cd so base healing per activation is a lot higher than the ele.
Thats just to correct you since i aknowledge that ele signet is a lot more powerful..But still bother to check the tooltips in wiki next time:P

yup those wiki tool tips are playing the game for you. Those player updated wiki tips.
Heal sig is the worst in the game. Whether you believe it or not.

I love the enthusiasm

MaXi.3642:

Acandis.3250:

I’d like to see the new numbers before giving you a better answer but a 4k heal on 25s CD is pretty good with that passive.

its not 4k, its 3k2 base, show me heal which heals less… and when you use it, you lose passive effect as you know, so its NEVER worth using it

Heal signet. Now go back to your ele is bad delusion

Glass ele is such a bad idea.

BTW, the attachment to gs is the evasion not the mobility.

Mobility is the issue because everyone has swiftness, or the ability to teleport around. We have motion skills but gap closing isn’t the issue. It is the ability to gap close under movement impairment.
Warhorn reduces your defensive strength for condition removal with no other affect.

That new trait sounds promising but 1/3 reduction on 5 seconds of movement reduction is still 3.xx seconds of slowness. Instead of duration reduction, I would have looked for maybe potency reduction. Like cripple with the trait is only 25% reduction speed or chill with the trait is 45% reduction in speed.

andyMak.6985:

I see this everywhere, What does Synergy Mean in builds??

say for a thief or Ele.. what is a Synergy build?

Synergy is working together say you do x and then i land a burst, etc. Synergy in builds means relying on teammates for certain aspects of builds. like on person has the cc, one has the condi clear, etc. It makes for a stronger overall build instead of several individual builds. Example is the team support an ele brings, or even venom share s/d

This is not to say I would never be interested in the other classes. I just looking for that particular build atm. If your NA and can do the times, we can work something out.

Based on up coming changes with the patch, I would like to create a team.
Looking for a necro, a guardian, an engineer, and an elementalist.
Multi class experience is a bonus. Comps will adjust per map basically.
I require that you have some experience with tourneys.
We can develop synergy. At this point, I would like a min level of at least rank 30
Should not be too restrictive if you play consistently.
Times can be decided on as we come along but its mostly est nights.
NA team, something like 9pm est to 12pm est is when I am usually available.

pm me in game if interested.

Weakness does not prevent crits… It would be the other side of the coin to weakness.

ens.9854:

Necro obviously needs a condition that prevents critical hits.

This is probably the best suggestion, although I would hate it.

I would love to dual que with you sandwichmancer

Don’t derail my thread to thieves. Warriors will be strong. At least I will be OP

JonathanSharp.7094:

I got mine for like 30 or 40 at the mall here in Bellevue, WA. It was NOT $150.

If you pay $150 for a hat, it better protect from nukes, sharks, and make you breakfast on weekends.

That’s a lot for a hat.

Do you know what type of hat that is or what its called by any chance?

I want deep wound. but DW on necro and not war would be kinda odd.

JonathanSharp.7094:

Ya, we’ll have to watch what the changes do to the game. I think that bunkers will still be viable, but I think you’ll see some new counters to them. It’ll be interesting to see what the meta does.

J

JS I will show you this unstoppable beast of a warrior :p

@the 25 in arms, I have done the math and you will lose approximately 8% damage, but pick up the boon damage. It will be better because at 2 boons you will basically be doing the same damage. I will sacrifice some damage vs non boon classes to do better overall. And the bleed 10% is very short lived and is countered by the cleanse, where the crit damage is a stat and will always be there.

google.3709:

BurrTheKing.8571:

I don’t see these changes making warriors OP. Due to where some of the new traits are going we probably won’t be dealing insane damage. As it is warriors will need 10 in Defense and 30 in Discipline. If we want to truly shrug off movement conditions we will need to take a full set of Mel runes which means more toughness as opposed to strength. At the best being able to run a Bunker Buster might make us attractive to have on a TPvP team again. There’s simply no denying that Bunkers are currently too strong and having the ability to spec to beat them at the cost of being more damage oriented is good for the meta.

• with new trait + Warriors will be able to counter cripple/chill making them unstoppable

• Unblockable attacks + increase damage %, they will eat bunkers for lunch, and ele’s/engi for snacks

Thank you, because I do not think he was getting it. drop bulls charge, use sig might, sig stamina, balance stance. there you go