The game may not be for the top 100 only, but lets be honest here. The top 100 know the game better than the other 99% of the population, and they prove it by being in the top 100.
They know the game enough to be successful.
Their successes within the context of one particular competitive game mode doesn’t make their opinions and values any more relevant than anyone else’s. All they can objectively establish is what can be used effectively within the context of that particular game mode.
All they have ever demonstrated by winning is that they know how to win.
I think that a restricted winner’s forum is exactly what this game doesn’t need. It says to everyone else “thanks for playing but we do not value your input because you don’t win; your opinion is irrelevant to us because you’re not the best.”
Yeh, plus “elite” players are more subject to bias because their views are inevitably shaped by what they want/need to be good. Because the game means alot to them.
Absolutely right. They are all dealing in subjective opinion.
Dropouts don’t get invited to an Ivy, plebeians aren’t consulted by presidents, and those in poverty don’t get invited to Davos.
Keep it simple. If you’re not in the top X00 (a rank/rating that is respectable) of the PvP leaderboards for your respective region, you cannot post on the locked board.
End of story.
I don’t think Anet should make an elitist restricted forum.
This game is not just for the top 100 it’s for everyone who plays it, newcomer and experienced player alike. If Anet takes an obviously elitist approach and refuses to cater to their more casual players they risk alienating them entirely.
Who are you to say whose opinion is valid and whose is not? What are your problem analysis qualifications? It is fine to state your opinion, but your attitude stinks. I absolutely HATE it when people disagree with someone and instead of engaging in an argument they just say “You suck, I am great, therefore my opinion beats yours”. Like wtf. It makes no sense. Part of me wishes I could sail through life with such conviction and confidence in my opinions. But then again I would be a pri.ck and everybody would rightly be annoyed at me. So maybe not. lol.
Grow up.
I completely agree. What you’re talking about is called the argument from authority and it is a form of logical fallacy.
What I don’t understand is why anyone complains about balance in a game where rerolling is easy. In Aion rerolling took months because of the gear grind. In this game it takes a few minutes.
Just reroll to the new fotm builds and win with them. No whining required.
Whether the skill floor is too low or too high is irrelevant in my mind. All I think about is winning and I don’t understand people who worry about other things.
It’s fine if you don’t get it, but it doesn’t really matter. The developers understand, and at this point high-rated players are waiting on them to get the execution right.
Well my bet is that necros will get nerfed and then something else (my bet is warrior) will take its place. I will be waiting.
Run on a point. Place cursor one point spam AOE conditions. People die. Profit. No knowledge of finishers/fields required. No coordination with team other than more AOE condi nuking on the same point. Things like HGH and condition spam necro are pretty mindless atm.
Thankfully, the developers do. Whether they successfully do something about it remains to be seen.
I suppose.
I think that regardless of what the developers do the top players will still find the strongest builds/comps and their knowledge will trickle down to everyone else via streams, forum posts and word of mouth and the fotm cycle will repeat itself. This has happened in every game I’ve ever played (Aion, Rift, SWTOR) and it’s been going on in this game since release and I do not think it will change anytime soon, particularly if they start adding new skills and traits and weapon sets to every profession like they’ve talked about doing.
The amazing thing about this game is that there’s very little opportunity cost to reroll in sPvP. I rerolled to necro after the patch and I’ve been having a great time. I know that eventually necro will get nerfed and something else will become the new alpha class and I’ll just play that instead. I’ve been going through this process for months now.
My advice to the people complaining in this thread would be to stop getting committed to any one class or build. Go with the flow and play whatever is strongest at the time.
I’m confused by this conversation. If you can seriously demoralize your opponent you’ve basically won the fight. It makes sense that ATM would hope for such an outcome. SoR is not easily broken though.
That isnt real open field combat. It is bunker wars/ flavor of the month builds. Plus, its objective based combat, get points and capture the circle. It is NOT kill the other team and use strategy to win the fight. It isnt deathmatch. I could care less about ANY points in this game, their all useless/meaningless. tpvp and spvp have good players dont get me wrong, but the style of fighting is kittened.
Alright well as I said before I don’t think you’re going to find what you’re looking for in t1.
I reject the premise that posting more equals prioritizing.
Almost a year into the game and there’s still no solo queue and nothing to spend glory on. I still have no way of making money by doing sPvP other than by making dyes. WvW has gotten the culling fix, the new matchup system, the progression system (and subsequent improvements and additions,) the gear additions, the ascended stuff etc etc.
My personal opinion is that you should do tPvP for small man stuff. I don’t think you’re going to find what you’re looking for in t1 even if there are a few small guilds that play sometimes. Most of the time it’s just zvz here.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the objective for any server, especially in Tier 1, should be to be constantly and consistently competitive, or ideally better than competitive, in all time zones 24/7. No ifs no ands no buts (but with the proviso no hacks or other forms of cheating). To aspire to anything less is foolish. To disadvantage server mates by not helping recruit guilds to make them at least competitive if not better than competitive in their time slot is foolish. To not log on earlier and stick around longer if you have the time and inclination, especially when it will help the server tick more points is foolish. To not drop siege when and where it will provide an advantage is foolish. Etc. Etc. Etc. And to argue otherwise is foolish.
I actually agree with everything you’ve said here.
“The first step in becoming a top player is the realization that playing to win means doing whatever most increases your chances of winning. The game knows no rules of “honor” or of “cheapness.” The game only knows winning and losing."
My real question about the ghost tonics is for Anet. Does Anet intend for people to be able to use these things in WvW? If not then I think Anet should just remove ghost tonics from WvW like they did skale venom, stealth kits, planks, gears, teleport guns etc.
If they don’t remove them then I think everyone who intends to be competitive should start using them.
We’ve jumped from talking about the gvg same numbers organized competitive play meta to talking about the more casual map zerg meta and they’re not the same thing.
It’s like the difference between hotjoin meta and tournament meta except seriously amplified due to the relative number disparity and the stat allocations that are possible and the consummables that are available etc etc.
That is my exact point. In the Zerg Meta it doesn’t matter what class composition they are, all that matters is that you can focus fire DPS in a spot, instant-down a couple people and survive long enough. You don’t need to go CSI on a group and find out their exact composition and what weapons/builds they are running… the tactics don’t change.
I was being sarcastic with my reply. Suffice it to say that I strongly disagree with you.
I’ve never been in a GvG but when I run into a group of people (30 or more) I’m not looking at what class they are, I’m looking at my cooldowns, buffs, conditions, concentrating on focus fire, targeting and listening to the calls the raid leader is making. I can understand if this was a 5v5 or roaming where you can actually take the time to sit back and watch their animations to determine this information.
In the ZvZ meta, you know they are 1 of 8 possible classes and they are all die the same way. That’s all that matters.
Yeah man, everyone is one of 8 possible classes and could be using any one of two hundred or so different skills that’s all you really need to know.
Lol, arguing that the ghost potion is unfair is ridiculous. If there is an imbalanced consumable in this game it is Lemongrass and its cheaper derivatives, and pretty much everyone knows that. Yet I’ve never heard anyone back out of a GvG because of food buffs.
Tonics provide a different sort of advantage than food buffs though. Experienced players can usually identify an opponent’s class just by monitoring their appearance and animations. These tonics make that process much more difficult. They also make it more difficult to identify enemy builds and anticipate enemy skill usage because the ghost’s auras and color etc are extremely visually disorienting, at least for me.
In competitive play every move matters. Imperceptibly longer response times can mean the difference between life and death. That’s why so many people play asuras in tpvp; they’re much harder to read than other races because of their small size.
The tonics are cheese but WvW is also full of cheese and these “GvGs” are all unofficial improvised scrimmages so it’s hard to say who should be able to draw the lines and where they should be drawn.
I wanna get this gear set for my warrior so I can try this build it looks like a lot of fun. Awesome video I really like the whole idea of stunlock/burst warrior instead of immobilize/burst warrior. Stunlocking seems way more reliable.
I always thought “PvD” meant taking something unopposed or without any serious opposition hence player versus door as opposed to player versus player (plus door?)
Coverage gaps lead to that sort of thing happening in some areas of the map since an outnumbered force has to prioritize and drop less important objectives but even during “weak hours” all three t1 servers will be zealously guarding their primary objectives such as waypointed keeps and t2-3 towers so it’s not like anyone ever gets to go completely unopposed in t1.
I like the video a lot. I switch out Inscription for Bolt to the Heart and just run signet of air instead of GoEP. I think the celestial trinkets are an interesting choice.
you should bring more 60+ is isn’t enough vs the 40 jq we have there
Meh. I guess some of the attempts were kinda sloppy but to be fair you guys were graveyard zerging like it was your last castle. Either way I went way over my badge quota for the day so I’m happy.
It isn’t the same thing. It’s like running onto the court during a basketball game, stealing the ball and dunking it. You just look stupid and childish.
But I don’t play this game as a game. I play this game as a war and in war there are no rules. Anything goes.
I’ve carebeared in other games before where I was friends with my enemies and it completely ruined the experience because I didn’t want them dead anymore. I advise people to avoid that sort of thing. I think that BT and FEAR have it right. If it’s red it’s dead, make no apologies and take no prisoners.
If you guys want to play this game as a sport stop zerging and go do tournies, that’s what they’re there for.
It’s one thing to not like something someone else does for fun. It’s another to gain some sort of sadistic pleasure from disrupting one of the few civil acts of mutual fun we have between these three servers.
I gain pleasure from killing other people in game, don’t you?
with the proviso no hacks or other forms of cheating). To aspire to anything less is foolish. To disadvantage server mates by not helping recruit guilds to make them at least competitive if not better than competitive in their time slot is foolish. To not log on earlier and stick around longer if you have the time and inclination, especially when it will help the server tick more points is foolish. To not drop siege when and where it will provide an advantage is foolish. Etc. Etc. Etc. And to argue otherwise is foolish.