Guild Wars 2

Spockime.1364:

Jaxs.5830:

Quells.2498:

Jaxs.5830:

Quells.2498:

Jaxs.5830:

Sovereign.1093:

Jaxs.5830:

Le Rooster.8715:

This matchup is funny because all 3 servers don’t care much for ppt, which leads to mass endless zvz fighting and not being able to tell who’s bl is who’s

TC is entirely a PPT server, let’s not start pretending otherwise now.

TC does not need to pretend because TC isn’t a ppt server but a mixed server looking for PPT, fights, havok, ankitten. WE have a little bit of everything here.

A mix of the above incidentally gives you high ppt, but it’s not a direct goal.

What you mostly have are PPT heroes, tower hugging siege monkeys, and big blobs.That is who TC has always been and it works well for the PPT game, why start claiming otherwise now?

Please tell us more about ourselves because we are totally clueless.

On that we can agree.

Yeah we just kind of show up and win. Not really sure what we’re doing.

Apparently you missed the entire discussion, please go back to the top. To be specific at no point was it suggested that TC could not play for PPT.

TC does play for PPT. We are kitten proud of it..

This is exactly what I said, thanks.

Quells.2498:

Jaxs.5830:

Quells.2498:

Jaxs.5830:

Sovereign.1093:

Jaxs.5830:

Le Rooster.8715:

This matchup is funny because all 3 servers don’t care much for ppt, which leads to mass endless zvz fighting and not being able to tell who’s bl is who’s

TC is entirely a PPT server, let’s not start pretending otherwise now.

TC does not need to pretend because TC isn’t a ppt server but a mixed server looking for PPT, fights, havok, ankitten. WE have a little bit of everything here.

A mix of the above incidentally gives you high ppt, but it’s not a direct goal.

What you mostly have are PPT heroes, tower hugging siege monkeys, and big blobs.That is who TC has always been and it works well for the PPT game, why start claiming otherwise now?

Please tell us more about ourselves because we are totally clueless.

On that we can agree.

Yeah we just kind of show up and win. Not really sure what we’re doing.

Apparently you missed the entire discussion, please go back to the top. To be specific at no point was it suggested that TC could not play for PPT.

Quells.2498:

Jaxs.5830:

Sovereign.1093:

Jaxs.5830:

Le Rooster.8715:

This matchup is funny because all 3 servers don’t care much for ppt, which leads to mass endless zvz fighting and not being able to tell who’s bl is who’s

TC is entirely a PPT server, let’s not start pretending otherwise now.

TC does not need to pretend because TC isn’t a ppt server but a mixed server looking for PPT, fights, havok, ankitten. WE have a little bit of everything here.

A mix of the above incidentally gives you high ppt, but it’s not a direct goal.

What you mostly have are PPT heroes, tower hugging siege monkeys, and big blobs.That is who TC has always been and it works well for the PPT game, why start claiming otherwise now?

Please tell us more about ourselves because we are totally clueless.

On that we can agree.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Jaxs.5830:

Chris.3290:

At first I was angry about TC coming to MagBL just to fight SoS; but then I got warm fuzzies when I realized that they were looking for fights and realized that, even on mag’s BL, the best ones are with SoS.

If by best you mean the ones they can win.

Oh yeah we go to Mag BL to fight Agg+NS+EP because its easy fights for sure. /sarcasm

I doubt Chris is in any of those guilds.

azizul.8469:

i know what ANET is planning.

a ninja patch that reduce the map cap by 50%.

can’t wait for that….

This was asked early on when they first released the information. Was the intent to put the overflow in place so they could reduce the number of people on the map. Not only did they say no, they went on to say they wanted to increase the number of people on a map.

Le Rooster.8715:

This matchup is funny because all 3 servers don’t care much for ppt, which leads to mass endless zvz fighting and not being able to tell who’s bl is who’s

TC is entirely a PPT server, let’s not start pretending otherwise now.

Chris.3290:

At first I was angry about TC coming to MagBL just to fight SoS; but then I got warm fuzzies when I realized that they were looking for fights and realized that, even on mag’s BL, the best ones are with SoS.

If by best you mean the ones they can win.

mistsim.2748:

is anyone else really concerned about ascended stats snowball when the armor comes out? i bought this game for hardcore pvp/WvW, it’s all that ive been doing, and im very concerned. this new level of grind will be introduced, fine. but will we get the opportunity to get the armor in WvW from killing people and taking objectives?

stats difference between exo and ascended will be significant…if it’s significant enough, i dont see myself playing this game in the future unless all the ascended gear is accessible through pvp in some way.

Blobbing is not hard core and you wont notice the difference in your blob of 70 #1 spammers.

Get rid of rally in WvW, change the WXP rewards to be divided into the number of folks involved in earning it, problem solved.

ThaOwner.7560:

NICKEZ.3671:

Any of you SoS or Mag commander want to start a proper karma train in one of the BLs?

sigh…. its sunday, why dont you actually play the game?

Look at the guild tag.

The game rewards blobbing and poor play at every opportunity so people will continue to play that way. Frankly most of the good folks/commanders interested in quality game play have left the game.

Jayne.9251:

Biggest argument why pve gets more attention is because they spend gems.

Biggest unfounded argument.

Noodica.5428:

I think you guys missed the point of “skill group”.. No, rangers aren’t good for skill groups >< 1 or 2 at max is good, but 50%? Hell no ><

20-25 people is not a skill group to start with.

deathTouch.9706:

Shout out to INC for helping us secure overgrown grub objective last night. Working together as one, Maguuma can do great things.

You forgot the HL blob, they helped too.

In game has been fine. Forum support…. specially the moderation team… worst in the business, imo.

I read through most of the Balance Preview Discussion and what I didn’t see was a list of the changes being made to what was proposed based on player feedback.

While I am sure all, or most of us anyways, can appreciate that for a variety of reasons not all changes can/will be made to the original plan. I get that. What I would like to see is what changes were made based on the discussion?

Aurust.8961:

I’m actually excited about the release of that other game…. im sure alot of people will stop playing wvw and that will ease up the blobbing… gw2 4 lyfe.

The blobs might get smaller, but as long as the entire reward system and game mechanics favor blobbing behavior it will dominate the game’s play.

Just make an audio loop that says ‘press 1’ repeatedly with the odd ‘stack’ tossed in for good measure. You wont have to talk at all, even out of combat.

docMed.7692:

deathTouch.9706:

docMed.7692:

HeNnAz.8913:

deathTouch.9706:

Any chance to see an actual organized RIOT roaming group before the end of the week?

Just seen duelers and solo roamers so far.

Dude, I’m on the same server as them, so far only seen 2 or 3 in the same area… I think they might be a GvG only guild?

Prior to the introduction of Seasons, we would easily have anywhere from 5-10 of us (we split up our roaming groups) on a map or split between two and we also bounced around runes a lot (when they were more valuable). Now with the queue issues, it’s rare for us to have anymore than 1-3 together, let a lone a full group, and even then it’s because someone had a taxi setup or we all waited a hour to simply play with each other. Nonetheless, we did get some 4-5+ group roaming in last night in EB and that was also caught on our stream (we get most of us loaded into EB around minute 45: http://www.twitch.tv/teamriottv/b/479569786).

Yeah the queues are very unfortunate. Maybe when we meet in the future the beta map will be out and we can do some roaming against each other then?

~dT[AoN] (my sig isn’t working)

Yea, we were even thinking it would be awesome if rather than just your specific battle group queued for the map (i.e. server 1/2/3), it would be even cooler to have it queue up whatever color you were assigned that week. In other words, 8 servers (green) v 8 servers (red) v 8 servers (blue). I think that would keep the population up and the variety of competitors, as well as teammates, fresh!

I agree 100%. I was surprised when I read that wasnt the plan. It seems pretty clear as to why this way would be better than limiting to the current matchup.

docMed.7692:

Jaxs.5830:

docMed.7692:

Jaxs.5830:

docMed.7692:

Jaxs.5830:

docMed.7692:

I felt overall my comment was friendly and just hitting on the fact that queue times have led to the annoyances associated with opportunities for us to face each other as we like

We meet again in a couple weeks, maybe que times will be better for you then.

Yea, hasn’t changed much other than the dip after week 1, still 1 hour queue peek for BL’s and 3 hours+ for EB unless someone has a taxi going. Looking forward to more engagements!

Sorry to hear that, not sure how you guys handle that all the time. Time to transfer down tier I think

We’re holding out that edge of the mists will alleviate our queue concerns.

You guys are beta’ing it right? How do you like it so far? Enough space to move around, or just lots of narrow spots that favors tight stacked balls of PVT heroics?

No beta as of yet. It also had no NDA, so you will hear as soon as we all hear! Latest I have as of yesterday is; soonish/when it’s ready!

Ahh yes, the trademark ‘soon’ and ‘when its ready’, so next year some time

Fannwong.3059:

SOR is here.

You have taken the PPT

But we will not give in to tyranny

And we will not bow to oppression

You will never have our freedom.

NEVER.

Do you watch braveheart before making cheesy posts or does this just come to you?

It is not like those abilities are hard to get by running around in a giant blob half afk.

Overall the difference is marginal, doesnt take that long to get those abilities and imo, the bottom line is that those two abilities are the ONLY things worth getting if you do not like using siege.

phys.7689:

Bao Lin Nda.1042:

What I learned since beginning of WvW: it’s all about nightcapping. And up till now ANet is unwilling to fix this by trashing the bad idea of region-based servers, so it doesn’t matter at all what system we have – it is broken a priori.
Internationalized servers would:
- reduce the problem of queues during local prime time, simply because we double the available servers and therefor have way better load-balance. Also reduces lags and such.
- fix nightcapping, because we have a woldwide possible cover up on all servers
We will see..

Not really. Most imbalances not caused by night capping caused by lack of server interest. When high silver destroys low silver they do it at all times of day. In fact some servers gain ground during off hours

Coverage issues have forced players to ball up on the handful of servers that have off-hour coverage. If coverage was not such a huge issue you could have a greater number of viable NA servers as the players wouldnt need to ball up in ques on those select servers. Overall more balanced servers.

I am not sure that internationalized servers is the answer, but ANET’s head in the sand approach to coverage has made PPT unimportant for the majority of the players in the game.

The only problem is immobilize, not sure the entire system needs overhauled to compensate for ANET messing up by making them stack duration.

rmprodigy.4679:

If you have a que but you log onto domination , t3 keeps and towers, abundance of supply , you can have a great time. You can build tons of omegas (our favorite past time) and go capture things with ease.

Sounds like SoR lost a karma train guild, grats.

docMed.7692:

Jaxs.5830:

docMed.7692:

Jaxs.5830:

docMed.7692:

I felt overall my comment was friendly and just hitting on the fact that queue times have led to the annoyances associated with opportunities for us to face each other as we like

We meet again in a couple weeks, maybe que times will be better for you then.

Yea, hasn’t changed much other than the dip after week 1, still 1 hour queue peek for BL’s and 3 hours+ for EB unless someone has a taxi going. Looking forward to more engagements!

Sorry to hear that, not sure how you guys handle that all the time. Time to transfer down tier I think

We’re holding out that edge of the mists will alleviate our queue concerns.

You guys are beta’ing it right? How do you like it so far? Enough space to move around, or just lots of narrow spots that favors tight stacked balls of PVT heroics?

Sunt.6835:

lol you don’t really find any Mag unless u spend quite sometime looking for it.

but the amount of their posting / bragging in forum make it looking like they have numbers on every map …

hint : way easier to find random SoR / even though they are not roamer

You realize that we have a much smaller population then the other two servers right? Anyone thinking we have numbers on every map has unrealistic expectations to start with.

ReverendChan.8467:

Warthog.6870:

ReverendChan.8467:

wall of text I made the mistake of reading

Are you seriously looking for roamers on their home BL? The place where they have to spend the most time just running from spawn to a place where roamers usually roam? The place that’s usually being karma-trained by two unfriendly blobs?

Try some common sense next time.

You guild was there “trying” to roam so I don’t get it? :/ I guess common courtesy isn’t something that is mutually extended since I was trying to give your people some sort of praise in my post.

Also the 2 nights I was on SoR and EBG I didn’t see any raomingz from Maguuma. I also put in my response “might not be a good representation” as a disclaimer.

Don’t see what the fuss is about really as I don’t feel “anyone” is roaming or haz right to brag about it.

Most Adorable Necro NA,
Schnigle <3

No one is going to read your original post in its entirety because it is a lot of blah blah blah so the fact that you put a disclaimer in there means nothing.

Every night I play I see lots of roamers and the odd small group from every server, maybe you just play in a time period where there is no one, or you do look for folks at the skritt. You only spent one night where you might find roamers.

ReverendChan.8467:

It might not be a good representation because I’ve mostly just been going to Maguuma BL this week

You might as well be looking for roamers at the skritt.

SuKHoi.2063:

BG surrenders to MAG

We reject, everyone dies.

docMed.7692:

Jaxs.5830:

docMed.7692:

I felt overall my comment was friendly and just hitting on the fact that queue times have led to the annoyances associated with opportunities for us to face each other as we like

We meet again in a couple weeks, maybe que times will be better for you then.

Yea, hasn’t changed much other than the dip after week 1, still 1 hour queue peek for BL’s and 3 hours+ for EB unless someone has a taxi going. Looking forward to more engagements!

Sorry to hear that, not sure how you guys handle that all the time. Time to transfer down tier I think

LightningBlaze.4913:

AoN members always run in full group? is it because every single one are horrible individually? if not I would like to encounter one that is at least decent on 1v1.

Sorry we made you angry.

cyyrix.6105:

It would be nice to see more small man roaming groups moving around the maps.

DAoC was 8 man groups and I think that works best in WvW as well. You are small enough that you can still be very coordinated (we find as soon as we breach 10 we are less effective) and large enough to take on zergs in a meaningful way.

I would love that we could be smaller and spend all our time fighting other smaller groups, but realistically that didn’t even work in DAoC. Like it or not the game is filled with lots of zergs and only a few small groups, many stuck in ques. To me it makes no sense to build to fight same sized groups when that is not what is out there to fight.

Ultimately you cant please everyone, so just please yourself.

docMed.7692:

I felt overall my comment was friendly and just hitting on the fact that queue times have led to the annoyances associated with opportunities for us to face each other as we like

We meet again in a couple weeks, maybe que times will be better for you then.

Chris.3290:

Move along, nothing to see here.

Good, feel free to head back to your own match thread then.

Reslinal.2359:

You may not agree with the way it works in T1 being on lower tiers, but this is the game players on Tier 1 have signed up for. and when a T1 server that used to be hard to crack begin to lose its tenacity, it’s going to get called out to hopefully inspire them to come back.

Seriously, does everyone in T1 think they are a special snow flake or is it just a vocal minority? What would make you think us lower tiers do not have this same issue/discussion? Granted less once they made the matchups RNG, but before that was a common discussion every time a balanced tier got transfers.

Regardless of what has happened in the past, do you think it is possible this kind of ‘tipping the scales’ will have a much greater impact on a server in the first competitive league that, for reasons I do not understand, folks were excited about? Being no expert on the intricate and apparently alien minds of T1 players I would think a person’s view of what competition means in GW2 might be influence by such an event.

Reslinal.2359:

Jaxs.5830:

Reslinal.2359:

But it is only one guild and it is only 2 hours, really no reason just for whole server giving up trying all together.

The impact of losing all upgrades every day while you have no one to defend is pretty significant.

It’s not like they don’t have the people to hold stuff in this time zone at all. They used to actually winning this brief time zone with IRON and stay-up late SEA. The coming of ZDs only really just tip the scale towards BG, not completely dominates like right now. The problem is ever since SoR lose week 2 to a dramatic come back, they are completely demoralized and people just stop trying to put in effort to cover this brief time zone. And now it becomes a vicious cycle, no one tries so you lose everything, which discourage more people from trying….

Bottom line is you got bigger to ‘tip the scales’. You are now suggesting your competition just work harder because you want good match-ups. So you want a good match as long as the scales are tipped in your favor, because if they were tipped in someone else’s favor you could have just worked harder right?

Maybe instead of playing in a decided match they are spending all their time recruiting and raising money for a warchest, it is the GW2 way.

Reslinal.2359:

But it is only one guild and it is only 2 hours, really no reason just for whole server giving up trying all together.

The impact of losing all upgrades every day while you have no one to defend is pretty significant.

DKNS.2135:

Or alternatively, Server Y can’t handle a bit of competition and stop showing up after they lose one week.

Except Server X said the previous match-ups were good. So did Server Y not like competition then too?

Rebound.3409:

All in all… even tho we beat SoR pretty convincingly, having a server like SoR fall like this (mentally) is NOT good for T1 matches. Nobody wants that….not BG..not JQ. We want good matches not bad ones.

Server X recruits more population, then complains that the matches are not as good as they were. Go figure, this has never happened before.

Some times you can tell by the name or if you see them both bow, often I wont bother messing with a 1v1 just out of principle, but in my opinion if they want a clean 1v1 then the place to have it is at the windmill or some other out of the way place. I never mess with those areas, outside of that make your best guess and they will have to live with that.

Holm.7058:

Gear treadmill is not good in pve perspective either. There’s a reason why GW1 didn’t need a gear treadmill to keep players interested. It was because back then guild wars was about good lore and hard pve end-game (and of course, actual Guild Wars) . In GW2 the lore is tedious and challenging pve non-existent and invoking a gear treadmill after a promise to carry on GW1 legacy of no gear treadmill just shows how big a failure pve content was in GW2.

So in pve also, gear treadmill is a sign of lack of content to keep players interested.

I think it is fair to say a lack of challenge is design choice for GW2. In a blind effort to cater to the casual player the entire game, both PvE and WvW, has been watered down significantly.

Had some great fights last night!

~ AoN ~

Kiff.8157:

Nothing much I can say except get a better rig. I had 0 skill lag for the past two weeks in the matchup with SOR.

Face rolling 1-3 on siege doesn’t likely register much skill lag. For those of us that like precision use of skills, there is skill lag when the big blobs hit.

Israel.7056:

I think you could just as easily find what you’re looking for on BG but the difference would be that you’d have the support of a server with 24/7 presence at your back as well.

I know from personal experience that finding an outnumbered fight against SoR or JQ is never difficult and they’ve got people on at all hours.

Perhaps I am wrong, but right now BG seems too congested to roam on. Every time you turn around you seem like you would have friendlies adding on your fight or acting as rally bait, plus you would always be waiting on someone to get through que.

Israel.7056:

Jaxs.5830:

It just so happens that only one of the items in the list above has nothing to do with personal skill and is entirely outside of any one persons control. It is the least personal form of winning in the game.

WvW is more about working together as a server. I didn’t always see it that way but I’ve really had a change of heart over time. Now if I’m leading our group in WvW I’ll try to steer it towards making ourselves helpful to whatever the rest of our server is trying to achieve on the map.

Did your change of heart come while playing on one of the only three servers that have a reason to play for PPT? In other games I would agree with you, but not in GW2, the system is too broken. There is not enough off-hour population to support enough balanced servers for the much larger NA population. If everyone lumped up to make balanced servers based on the availability of off-hour population, all of the NA folks would spend most of their time in the upcoming overflow map.

When close match-ups become the norm rather than a once in a blue moon event, I might have a change of heart, until then WvW is all about roaming open world fighting.

Punny.9210:

yes 25 can beat 50

That is not what he asked, he asked:

do you think a 25 PVT can win against 50 PVT in a 80 man blob

Plus that isn’t 50 SoR by my count.

evrilysis.8549:

Honestly don’t understand the logic going on here. Winning WvW has always been defined by who has the most points at the end of the week. Open field fights, sieging, cutting supplies, etc, have always been a means to that end. Like it or not, the server with the most points at the end of the match-up is the winner. You can debate about what you or your guild is personally trying to get out of your WvW experience, but at the end of the day, the server that ANet crowns is the one with the most points. You have fun dueling? Great. I have fun winning. To each their own.

And what is this kitten about PVT? No one is telling anyone how to play their characters, but if you’re not winning fights because of you need to feel special and not roll an optimized build, you only have yourself to blame.

We all like winning, we just define it differently. Some like to win via coverage wars and PPT, others like to solo and win most of their fights, others like to win at GvG, some like winning with roaming small group play, some like to hit large zergs with a handful of people. Either way we are all playing how we want and defining what our measure of success is.

It just so happens that only one of the items in the list above has nothing to do with personal skill and is entirely outside of any one persons control. It is the least personal form of winning in the game.

As for your other comment, I would say PVT is optimized in very few builds/roles unless you are optimizing for skill lag.

Punny.9210:

The main reason Mag has to post in forum because they dont want us to forget that they are actually in this match up …..

Yay for PPT champions. Are you a tower humping siege monkey or a mindless blobber?

Jado Cast.1805:

I think its funny how Mag roamers have complained about plex runes, condi, tanky builds, zergs, ads to fights, etc. They have no clue what T-1 roamers have had to fight in a JQ/SoR/BG match-up for weeks on end. Just by the rage I see from the posts, I think if they ever “roamed” in a T-1 match-up, it would make them have an aneurysm.

Like it or not, it is the Meta, no sense in complaining about it, just adapt or go duel for the week until the match-up is over.

I think it is funny that T1 still thinks they are special snow flakes. Welcome to matchup threads, yes they occur outside of T1.