Zerg busting forces usually have 3-4 banner warriors to rally downed to keep fighting. It’s a great mechanic for smaller forces. Sure, you eventually get overwhelmed by superior numbers (they have to be vastly superior and decently organised), but you sure as hell can make a fight of it.
If a zerg busting force has more than one rally banner they are a zerg themselves.
It’s good to see my FA brothers back from vacation and kicking some kitten! TC & Mag were starting to convince themselves that they were winning the past 2 weeks because of skill lol!
Yes that is exactly what everyone thinks when they discuss WvW, skill.
Downstate does not help the organized 5 man or 10 man. In a zergbusting situation, 9x out of 10 if you go down you die. That is why us skilled players dont rely on rally tactics to win but rather living. If we count a down as a death (esp as a guard, a warrior, a necro or any other CC based 2 ability) then we only have maybe 2 players that can actually have a shot at being rallied (mesmer and ele) I see all these little zergblobers saying oh downstate helps organized groups hurdurhur and frankly im sick of it. Obviously its not going to be changed but can we at least agree that downstate helps the zerg (esp with dumb rally mechanic) far more than it helps a zergbuster group.
We cannot rally our dead from stomped and fully dead, you can blob res them. we cannot afford to sit in AOEs and blob res downed players before a stomp is even possible. YOU can. (well you can try [enter nuke emoji])
I do not care about downed state, just rally. Get rid of rally, be nice to combat res a lot slower than it is, but whatever just get rid of rally.
I guess the moral compass of WWWers is even more broken than I thought, when you got 4 people defending tonic tactics to prevent the other guy from getting his deserved kill.
I guess I question what compass considers 50 people chasing down 6 to be a deserved kill?
New map to address the Queue’s due to arrive when there are no queue’s left in any tier.
All the effort gone into an overflow map that has no effect on the outcome of the weekly match and there wont even be an overflow.
You can join EotM whenever you want. It is labeled as an overflow kinda, but it is just another map you can join, like Ob Sanctum.
It has no bearing on server score, because it contains every server (all NA servers are grouped together when joining the map, and so are all EU)
People just love to find things to complain about lol
And some people make stuff up just because they can. Here’s the exact quote from the official EOTM FAQ, and I could find nothing since this was posted indicating that anything has changed … certainly not anything that would support your erroneous claim.
Devon Carter:
“Q: How does the overflow work? Is it possible to fight against other servers? Is it combined with EU and NA or just one specific region?
A: The current iteration is that you will only be matched up against the other worlds in your current WvW matchup. That is one of the many aspects of the map that we will be actively getting feedback on from the community and the testers.”
This is a direct quote from Devon in response to a “So EOTM will stay cross server after release too?” thread.
“We literally can’t cross EU and NA servers, they are physically located in different places. We are, most likely, going to set it up as a place for all NA and all EU servers to be put in one map, however.”
This was posted 2 days ago. On a forum you probably don’t have access to (because you evidently aren’t a tester…)
again…you guys will find anything to complain about. And I will totally just keep “making things up” as I feel fit.
Only way to make this popular is share these overflows between every server or all people who wanna play there need to move in same tier so there is enough players in maps. I don’t really have any motivation play PPT kitten so this map is kind of www last chance for me.
It is unfathomable to me that ANet is not making EOTM instances available to all servers at the same time. It would be the simplest way to demonstrate whether or not players would prefer Red/Green/Blue matchups for the other maps instead of the current server-based system, and in addition restricting it to the current matchup is going to majorly kitten off players on low pop servers who want to try EOTM but cannot.
It’s incredible how the WvW devs keep proving how out of touch they are with their own game.
EoTM is a tool to help them release the game in china where they are expecting long ques. The only thing it has to do with the NA release is that we are the free beta testers.
So making it game wide by color probably never crossed their mind. If there is one thing ANET is good at, it is kittening away potential.
So, one person is blatantly cheating to not get killed, the other person wants his kill, and here you are, actually attacking the person that wants his kill.
It’s a strange world out there!
It is an in game ability that we can all use, like foods and other tonics. Like the golem in a box thing, if ANET decides it shouldn’t work in WvW they will remove it.
I see lots of zergs using spirit tonic to assist with following and preventing a leader from being targeted by having a bunch of them use it, they cost 15-20 silver to make. Where is the outcry?
I sometimes fly with my group as an eagle and buff them with the inspiration of an eagle’s screech. Never heard an outcry there either and the eagle buff is super OP.
Zergs are a part of any game with open world objective based PvP. It is normal to have them and beneficial to have them as they provide a welcoming introduction to WvW for new or casual players.
The issue with GW2 is that unlike other games it never proceeded beyond that point. The reward structure and combat system simply rewards zerging so much that very few move beyond balling up for a game of follow the leader.
Guilds are not forming into tactical units, just slightly more coordinated zergs. There is very little tactics, very little strategy and the meta of the game is stagnant and boring.
One of the core issues in my opinion is the entire lack of raid frames and grouping requirements when the game was released. With no tools to help grouping, we ended up with balls of ungrouped people. With no 20 man squad limit to guide them, they just got bigger and bigger evolving from the zerg of past games to the blob of GW2. I think it is likely too late, even if they actually deliver on the promised raid frames, but it would be a start.
@ Aon ppl using that reindeer tonic on TCBL tonight to run away… is it really worth the 30 or 60s? Seems like a huge waste to me.
If you bought them at that price maybe not, but ultimately what else do I have to buy?
Just sell them and buy gems or food or “skype” time with a cute lady or something…
When I see some one do it I’m like… nice… I just made them waste gold over their pride. Best victory possible.
Has nothing to do with pride, everything to do with being able to stay in the fight and keep fighting. When you run a small synergy based group, losing someone is a large chunk of your effectiveness. Spend enough time kitting out blobbing baddies, rather not waste more on regrouping.
As i said I do not need gold or gems, I have 4 freezers full of meat, and my wife wouldn’t like me skyping cute ladies. Gold, in a game that is floundering about waiting for the next game to kill it, is not all that valuable.
But in at least 2 cases tonight there wasn’t anyone else alive… and the person WP-ed right after they got ooc… can’t think of any good reason other than pride
That never occurred last night, there was always at least half of us alive.
@ Aon ppl using that reindeer tonic on TCBL tonight to run away… is it really worth the 30 or 60s? Seems like a huge waste to me.
If you bought them at that price maybe not, but ultimately what else do I have to buy?
Just sell them and buy gems or food or “skype” time with a cute lady or something…
When I see some one do it I’m like… nice… I just made them waste gold over their pride. Best victory possible.
Has nothing to do with pride, everything to do with being able to stay in the fight and keep fighting. When you run a small synergy based group, losing someone is a large chunk of your effectiveness. Spend enough time kitting out blobbing baddies, rather not waste more on regrouping.
As i said I do not need gold or gems, I have 4 freezers full of meat, and my wife wouldn’t like me skyping cute ladies. Gold, in a game that is floundering about waiting for the next game to kill it, is not all that valuable.
A) A competitive match (or as close as you can get)
B) A match where your going to get annihilated
C) A match where your doing the annihilating and or fighting more AC’s than actual players
A) Doesnt exist, certainly not with this matchup
B) That would be nice compared to this matchup
C) TC is winning and you still fight their AC’s more than actual players
It helps out the team is the reason I do it, but guys……I’m so tired of playing watch for the red to come across the horizon so I can tell the commander/guild. Also…. no rewards for doing an important job. Whats up with that? We all take turns watching our towers and keeps but seriously….. its SO BORING.
Anyone share my opinion? Disagree? Any ideas on improving the situation? let me know and GLHF
Should be no scouts at towers, should only be active scouts following and looking for the enemy out in the wild.
More QQing from BG. Why am I never surprised at the big bunch of QQers on BG?
WvW is all about zerging and big fights. If you dont like it, learn to hide or run from the zerg, or better yet play PvP instead, where the big bad zerg can’t find you.
When we, Maguuma, fought T1 servers I think it is pretty fair to say that BG brought far more small groups to the map than SoR and JQ. SoR had a few, JQ had almost none.
WvW shouldnt just be about zerging and big fights. It should be about tactics, strategy, coordination, ambushes and ever expanding and fresh meta. Yes there will be big zergy fights, but it should also be a lot of other things, not just boring and stale meta night after night.
Is the hammer/bow a good build for wvw? I am not talking about zergs but a 5v5 or 10vs10 pvp, wondering if its good and what gear should i pick up(runes,armor,sigils etc)
Your build should depend on the needs of your group and who fills what role better.
Mag has more coverage than it used to. More quality guilds than before. We are stronger than ever.
Or we are exactly the same and we just had fewer folks away for the holidays than the other servers. One second place finish is not only unimportant, but hardly indicative of any sort of trend given the time of year.
6 months ago when we only had like kitten vr and pyro? Now we have kh tg inc and other popping up.
INC dissolved as far as I know, first casualty to wildstar beta. TG is a great addition, but they are fairly small and not that interested in PPT. KH isnt that big either.
My point though is that it is utterly pointless to be making grand claims of this or that based on the outcome of one match, specially a match during the holidays. A couple weeks ago we lost to YB, the worst server in the game and we had all the guilds you mentioned then.
I coulda done without the “It is disappointing” though. Don’t pay money to impress you, ArenaNet. And considerin that I’ve been a bit disappointed about design decisions in this game too, that really puts us in an awkward place where apparently we’re just standin around bein disappointed with each other.
The community reps have a very odd “familial” tone they use that I’ve noticed. I think its meant to be taken as a “we’ve given you xyz chances at this” but it comes off like some sort of mother-figure scolding you for a getting a C.
What’s disappointing is the treatment of this community since day 1.
To expand upon this: Are we even supposed to be competing in WvW or is it kum ba ya time? Playing DAoC, everyone used the VN boards. I would see things every day that would make a sailor blush. No one even thought twice about it, we just ignored foul mouthed trolls and moved on.
VN boards best MMO community all time.
Correct, while playing DaoC we posted on the VN, not on any official forums. This only supports what Anet is doing.
The problem with that logic is that the only reason the VN boards were popular was because there were no official forums. If that had been their stance on WvW discussion from the beginning, fine, great, it worked wonderful for DAoC. But they waited a year and a half, on top of telling us they were “disappointed”. It just reeks of a PR disaster, and I think Anet is a better company than that honestly. Sure we complain about fixes and updates, but at the end of the day, Anet is still one of the better companies out there to manage a game imo.
So Anet makes a mistake by having a WvW matchups subthread, admits that it is a mistake, they should still not attempt to correct it because “the horse is already out of the barn”?
…what? They didn’t admit to anything. All they did was slap the player’s hands and say no pudding for you! And I don’t think having official forums is a mistake. It’s a boon to developers because they get hands on with player feedback rather than searching through 20 pages of some random board.
They did not say they were taking away the official WvW forums it said the WvW match-up sub forums. They are not getting player feedback from those forums as they are pretty much filled with flames and chest thumping and I would hardly call the WvW discussion forum a “random board”.
WvW discussion forum was for them, match-up forum was for us. The latter brings us to the forum to participate in the prior. Once I am off on another forum to talk about matchups, my involvement with this forum in general will be limited to coming to see patch notes.
Regardless of what you think of the matchup forums, and ANET’s decision to remove them, the simple fact is that the change will be a negative effect on our WvW communities and thus WvW overall. PPT is a failed concept as far as something to fight over, the match up forum gave us a reason to keep coming out and smashing into each other every night.
Mag has more coverage than it used to. More quality guilds than before. We are stronger than ever.
Or we are exactly the same and we just had fewer folks away for the holidays than the other servers. One second place finish is not only unimportant, but hardly indicative of any sort of trend given the time of year.
And its even more funny see people who has no life and stay behind a PC even on Summer, thats really sad . Thats what people call " ADDICTION "
You do realize that it’s Winter in the Northern Hemisphere, right?
We might have found the only Stark who has no idea when winter is coming.
Also, I always wish I could be on the X-side of these 2-5vX videos just to experience first hand what the issue is with them not being able to bring the small group down.
Usually organization and coordination. On both sides.
Right, but I still want to feel it.
I see you laying dead all over the place. I assume it feels a lot like that.
And its even more funny see people who has no life and stay behind a PC even on Summer, thats really sad . Thats what people call " ADDICTION "
You do realize that it’s Winter in the Northern Hemisphere, right?
We might have found the only Stark who has no idea when winter is coming.
Also, I always wish I could be on the X-side of these 2-5vX videos just to experience first hand what the issue is with them not being able to bring the small group down.
Usually organization and coordination. On both sides.
Right, but I still want to feel it.
I see you laying dead all over the place. I assume it feels a lot like that.
But they are a barrier to entry for new people. And they discourage casuals – people who play WvW less often.
Most new players, and most old ones, do not venture forth unless they are in a blob. Same goes for casuals. These are abilities are also easier for blobbers to get than for anyone that is not running in a blob.
I fail to see how a bit less HP/power is going to be a barrier to anyone playing in a blob.
Holy trinity was not removed, it was just hidden and made less class specific. The fact that this game has limited team work is because the content is so easy that most of it does not require any teamwork at all and because the game is not spoon feeding folks their roles.
We run a very synergy based group for WvW. Everything in our group is based on team work and it is just as effective in this game as games with a more obvious holy trinity.
Almost the entire first half of your video is ‘we are golem rushers’ which while useful at times is hardly an epic, inspiring selling point of the server.
Is EoTM still planned to be released as restricted to your current matchup?
Yes …. which I think is a hugely flawed decision on the part of ANet. Unless, of course, they realize that making EOTM matches open to all regional servers would probably make it more popular by far than anything else in WvW and turn even EB into a wasteland.
I agree. In my opinion EoTM locked to a matchup thread is just another perk to reward server stacking. Time will tell I guess.
Answer: Josh “grouch” Davis is a GW2Guru employee whom now works for ArenaNet.
So ANET hired Josh. Josh convinced them to axe the matchup forums expecting everyone to go to gw2guru. Josh gets big kickback. ANET still controls our forum posting through gw2guru.
All makes sense now…
Lol this had me laughing. It’s a conspiracy!!!
I laughed, too. In pointing out Josh, I only meant that going to GW2Guru will not allow us to escape ANet public relations desires. They have their thumb in that pie.
I mean I guess it’s good PvF to talk trash while playing in a timezone no top guilds play in (maybe KH? but it’s christmas so w/e) so props on that Meowman.
Your vid was not convincing tho. Staggardly and awkwardly charge into backpedaling pub zergs.
I remember the NA Mag guilds pulling 12+ hours to get in Gold, I also remember wiping them 15vs.40+.
Maguuma fights open field? Lol. I remember wiping Mag guilds pre-league 15 vs. 40+ though. You stopped fighting after that in oceanic time zone now.
Is that why you tanked to silver?
Yes, I was afraid you’d cry me to death.
Valid fear, I cry a lot. Hallmark commercials… need a box of tissues.
Nah, you just need better guilds.
Anyone hear/see of this guy’s guilds listed? Seems like a whole lot of hot air (which I appreciate given how cold it is where I live).
Well if you pay attention, it appears he is part of MEOW. But as that relies upon reading I will forgive you. I know Mag struggles at that sort of thing.
Hard to learn to read properly playing games all day in your mom’s poorly lit basement.
6. New MMO: From what I’ve seen and heard from people in the beta for one of them it won’t be a huge competitor for W3 people. There is always a shiny new MMO coming out. Doom and gloom runs high every time a new release hits, but honestly the two that are coming out soon don’t look as appealing to me or my guildies as they do to PvEers. Some population loss will occur, and then GW2 will get some of that loss back. It’s the nature of the genre.
I think the timing of EoTM as being a bit co-incidental for there to be no expected impact of the new games due out this spring. I do not think it is doom and gloom for the game, but impacting yes. Also PvE’ers make up a big part of this game’s population and let’s be honest the PvE in this game is… well kinda boring.
I have fun playing small group effort every night my guild is around to play. I have fun because my guild is made up of great people and we do a lot of fighting. That said the game is not challenging and it rewards horrible play. I think zergs are important, but this game designed WvW to cater to the extremely casual and now we have an extremely skill-less and uncompetitive population.
New games may not be all that different, but they cant be any worse and they offer a new game systems/classes to master if nothing else.
Nothing new means nothing poorly implemented as well. Good to look on the positive side of things.
Because the stuff that does get implemented gets implemented so well?? What game have you been playing?
To be honest, the only positive thing I see on the horizon is EOTM … and I’m half guessing lots of us will never see it at all if it comes out after April 4.
I could be wrong, but I believe you misread the intent of the post you quoted.
I took it as the implemented stuffs, well lets be honest here and say since Alpha testing, have been implemented in a manor beneath which Anet should strive for at an absolute minimum, but rather than looking at it like that, they were choosing to look at from the other side, which is the nothing new, so nothing poorly implemented again side of the things.
OK … I’ll buy that. I think I probably read his post too quickly the first time through.
Yes my point was that when they do add stuff, it is poorly done.
How about this, slightly like the slashdot system for filtering, above each thread is a ‘top comments’ link. (threshold TBD, right now it’s “overall positive rating”), those who just want to glance at the highest rated material can click that link.
Ex: Click http://www.gw2wvw.net/node/2 then look at the top where it says “View Top Comments for Site discussion” and click that. New page which is a filtered subset of the comments based on votes. Yes, it is currently a rather disjointed set of comments, but this is more aimed at ‘let me read at a glance what valued comments are saying and then let me respond". Currently it’s ordered by votes, depending on its usage I may change that over to by post time.
While that might be a nice ‘quick glance’ at conversation, kinda like a news feed. I doubt I would personally use it because I would rather follow a conversation rather than what other people view as ‘valued’ and I am not sure how that changes anything in the moderated vs unmoderated debate.
My opinion is still allow a block/ignore feature. Use your down vote system, but have it use the block/ignore code instead of move/delete based on an individuals user settings for threshold of down votes. So if my setting is 5, which could be the default, then anything over 5 gets collapsed as if I had ignored the user.
Might be too complex to start, ie make sure the forums are being used before you invest time, but I think it would work pretty good.
Can you make two separate sections, one group moderated, and one with no moderation? Bonus points if you call them “Carebear Land” and “Troll Land.”
If the forums have the ability block/ignore posters that bother you, this is entirely unnecessary. Folks are able to take responsibility for blocking those that post things that bother them.
This risks the thread becoming almost unreadable as each person has their own “version” of the conversation, with a different number of participants.
Lets say three “trolls” dominate the thread (which lets be honest is pretty likely). If someone blocks those trolls, then they have no idea what everyone is responding too. Or if you only blocked one troll, you would be completely lost. You cannot parse up a single thread like that and expect it to make sense.
I’d rather give those three trolls their own place, so the people who chose to block them still have a place to speak.
In most forums when a person is blocked, their message is simply collapsed, you still see a line that shows the post. If you find you cannot follow the conversation because you blocked someone, or you are feeling in the mood to read their post, you can simply expand their message block to read what they said in that case.
Bottom line if three people you blocked are dominating a conversation you probably have no interest in the conversation anyways. In my experience this is actually not that common.
At least Anet had standards the Mods had to follow. With fansite forums, players themselves do the moderating. So if a fansite Mod had grudge against, say Black Gate, he could restrict them all.
Yes because ANET had no biases….
Prove they have biases, if you would. When you don’t, I’ll be over here, watching you not prove anything.
Also, nice bias.
Post a constructive post on the moderation system and how it could be changed for the better and then count how long it takes for it to be removed.
Also, thank you for stalking me, it makes me feel warm and cuddly inside.
I didn’t even look at the name, I just saw an unjustified post that remains unjustified.
… blah blah blah…
Can you make two separate sections, one group moderated, and one with no moderation? Bonus points if you call them “Carebear Land” and “Troll Land.”
If the forums have the ability block/ignore posters that bother you, this is entirely unnecessary. Folks are able to take responsibility for blocking those that post things that bother them.
That’s exactly what the bard would tell us, and I almost posted a very similar thing.
Isn’t any moderation carebear-style forums? Aren’t personal threats/boasts how real PvPers come and brag?
Don’t you think that if people generally kept their bravado to the game and less about the people, this sub-forum would have stayed open?
Either way, here’s another suggestion: any match-up threads should auto-format all posts to all caps.
I’m talking about things like someone hunting down your RL personal information and posting about it. I’m not talking about someone calling you a moron on a forum.
And no, real PvPers don’t threaten to kill your wife and kids.
The key is exactly where the line is drawn, not using two extremes as examples. That’s the rub.
So you can’t post any actually personal information, and you can’t make threats to a person. But you can call them names and insult them to your heart’s content, as long as those insults don’t mention anything RL about the person.
You might want to write those rules down, so no one complains about moderation later. You can put them in some sort of document, let’s say, a “Code of Conduct”, so people know what is and isn’t appropriate. That’ll insure they don’t complain, since it’ll be written down for them to read whenever they want.
How about this? You stay here and other people who can easily distinguish between things which are serious and things which are not serious can go somewhere else.
Hello! I’m, Felivear, and I’m a PvPer. I have played SPvP since beta and recently, with some of the changes that they made to glory, I’ve been allowed to get a couple of 80s. I’ve geared them and now have taken the fight to WvW!
I love open world PvP and I am enjoying roaming around and having small skirmished; but, today I ran into something that bothered me.
I run a mesmer, and part of my damage is from conditions. I fought a healing signet warrior (which already makes me want to cuss. highest HPS in the game on a sit-and-forget skill…great balance), but then I noticed that my conditions were far less effective as well. I then see a buff that gave him -40% condi duration….from food. I was blown away that food would provide such a huge buff, so I took to the TP to see if I could acquire such a must-have buff. They are 24s…a piece.
So, one thing that I really loved about the “Manifesto” is their intent on a level playing field, but how is this a level playing field? I don’t have 24s to spend every 30 minutes on a bowl of soup.
2 questions:
1 – are there more food buffs out there that provide huge advantages? What else am I missing out on that puts me at a disadvantage by not knowing about in the buff department
2 – what does everyone else think about this? I’m sure since it’s a part of WvW it’s the norm, but to me, it’s disturbing.
Thanks
Everyone can buy and use food, ie level playing field. Food helps create variety in builds, balance out your build, or maximize a build focus.
Buy the -36% duration food for a lot lower price. You can use two food items, one of each type, at a time. Pick the ones that best suite your build.
I’m sorry, that’s an exclusive PVE feature. If you want to play with a functioning UI, I just received a message that Scarlet’s minions are assaulting Timberline Falls.
I disagree with your order and I think basing a list on the boring, stale meta that is pervasive in this game is meaningless. The fact is most players are underutilizing their class, playing with the wrong gear, and generally doing little more than playing a game of follow the leader.
What you need in your group is highly dependent on what you are doing, who you are fighting and how many you are fighting. The fact that most of our ‘current meta’ takes none of those into account is not a class balance issue.
I like to read the class specific forums and I notice that every class has regular posts about another class being overpowered or how their class in underpowered.
I consider myself a pretty thick skinned forum user and take very little I see on the forums seriously or personally, but the class forums are the one forum that I spend almost no time in.
When learning the game/class, maybe to see if anyone has any new tricks I haven’t figured out, I will go there, but otherwise I avoid those areas entirely. After a couple decades of online play one of the constants I have found is that you never know how sucky your class is until you go to your class forums.
Nothing good comes from reading that drivel day in and day out.
