Guild Wars 2

Tricare.2946:

ParaldaWind.4523:

Dieallknow.1387:

omg its Wednesday and the threads not lock wth 2 weeks in a row o.o

Mods stopped locking Mag threads back when they figured out that we liked it.

Anyone else remember the first TC thread?

This is the real reason.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Upcoming-Forum-Changes-to-WvW-Match-ups-Sub-forum/first#post3393146

Do not talk about this. We are to read it, no discussion allowed.

It is not downed state that is the problem, it is the rally system.

Should be no rally in WvW. Should have to heal yourself or be healed back to standing, no rally when something dies.

NevirSayDie.6235:

True, it doesn’t matter. I was just pointing out that it’s odd to hold “not caring about points” as a badge of honor. But then, I find a lot of things odd.

I find you odd, so I guess it is all even. Enjoy your PPT.

NevirSayDie.6235:

Jaxs.5830:

I guess that makes ratings equally unimportant as well?

PPT is a rigged game that has nothing to do with skill. As such PPT, and the ratings it informs, are a meaningless measure for a competitive activity.

I was half-joking. It sounds very honorable to say “we don’t care about PPT,” but in reality, all that means is that the matchmaker assumes you have a slightly lower population than you actually do. None of it has anything to do with skill.

In reality most points are scored when we are sleeping and at work/school/etc, so I would guess it doesn’t matter either way.

NevirSayDie.6235:

Jaxs.5830:

Yes because we went into gold league with an intention of worrying about PPT.

PPT is all the glicko ratings take into consideration.

I guess that makes ratings equally unimportant as well?

PPT is a rigged game that has nothing to do with skill. As such PPT, and the ratings it informs, are a meaningless measure for a competitive activity.

Vena.8436:

Edge is, at the very least, a very carefully designed map that has built on a lot of the flaws of the old maps and improved. Give it a try! There’s some great mechanics in there… though I still miss the yaks.

Is the plan to still limit edge to the current matchup? If so I think its as huge a waste of time as any empty plots of land in WAR ever were.

Calvin.5380:

wads.5730:

alanis.6094:

Tricare.2946:

Ohhh [Bags], it looks like you dropped something….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPlVthb_pjM

Your jumping around makes you look like a 12 year old. That’s more embarrassing to you, than whoever you beat.

thats how mag rolls

Nice to see that the swag is still there, despite that drubbing in gold league…

Yes because we went into gold league with an intention of worrying about PPT.

Terravos.4059:

Coming from DAOC, I find the 15 vs 15 and 20 vs 20 GvG fights to be horrible, and generally unwatchable messes

10v10 and 5v5 are really the only GvG fights that i’ve seen that promote some sort of individual skill

Agreed. It is more than size though. DAoC was roaming play and your builds and setup were generally built to handled whatever the game might throw at you, be it a zerg or another 8man, as well as dealing with the surprise and differing terrains of a random encounter. GvG is more of a duel.

Poxheart.2845:

Cactus.2710:

Poxheart.2845:

Raven.9603:

wvw lost population because the season is over. it will be like it has always been: dropping everytime some pve crap launches, spiking temporarily for Edge of the Mists and maybe Season 2, before disappearing completely when ESO launches in april (which is pretty soon in the grand scheme of things). Not that ESO will be great or anything, but for the WvW population, it only has to rise above the low GW2 bar of near-zero wvw development.

It’s bar does not rise above.

How so? If I understand the situation correctly, the TESO equivalent of WvW (the Alliance wars) hasn’t even been included in the beta yet. So on what exactly do you base your comment?

I’m going to put the odds at 100:1 that you don’t reply with anything specific.

I’ve played the ESO equivalent of WvW at max level and there is a myriad of reasons for my comment, but going into specifics would get my post deleted (I’ve seen it happen to others). I will say that there was as much, if not more, zerging as in GW2.

There has been heavy zerging in every beta/alpha I have ever played because most folks have no idea how the game works, how their class works, etc. It does not necessarily reflect real end game play.

That said I have no faith that a PvE game with tacked on PvP is going to be all that amazing, but let’s face it GW2 is a PvE game with tacked on PvP as well and sometimes just learning a new game system makes it worth playing even if the end game is no different than GW2s.

slamb.4781:

So i was thinking would people still Zerg / Karma train if there where no / less rewards?

The thought is that an objective be worth X amount of WXP and Karma and the more people in the Area of the event such as taking a Camp and or tower receive a portion of the WXP / Karma. So the more people in the Zerg the less WXP and Karma an individual player would receive.

for example,

If a camp is worth 1000 WXP and 4 players take it they receive 250 WXP each
and if 20 players take the same camp they each only receive 50 WXP each

this could also roll over on to loot as well such as less players that kill a Lord better chance for higher tier loot.

It should have been a proportional reward from the start, but that would require more effort.

The argument that it would alienate pugs in that folks wouldn’t want others around is really a bogus argument when you consider the rally system. Huge reason for not wanting others around, but here we are with it still in the game.

I like their timing on EotM… I believe another game comes out in april, one with probably equally bad world pvp but still at least it is new and you can be hopeful.

nexxe.7081:

akamon.2769:

do you mean to get the meta achievement? for completing 20/20 achievements?

just make sure you keep doing the daily Wintersday achieves. they are under the normal daily but with a special icon indicating that it is tied to Wintersday.

even if you did the JP and all other specific “Wintersday” achievements, you still wouldn’t get the meta without doing Winterdays dailies.
: )) so don’t worry!

I was about to write something like this. It was kind of confusing at first, since i had to sift through all the dailies and find the wintersday one. They should’ve just included it under the Wintersday section. I wonder how many people will never finish the meta because of this.

Also, i don’t believe the Infinite ones count, because i finished one and it didn’t count towards it. It must be through dailies.

There has been many living world events that are just like this, with daily requirements, and the dailies have a special icon to show they are part of the living world events.

Do we really need to spoon feed them more than that?

I like that it is a challenge, hate that folks who are not good at them complain about it non-stop.

I suck at the musical one, horrible at it, so I choose not to do it rather then QQ on the forums about how hard it is for me and try and ruin the experience of others who do not find it challenging.

Not sure why it matters. Get to the guy before the exploding boxes, you get one gift for opening it right away or three for successfully carrying present to the end. You can get to where the boxes explode three times probably in the effort it takes you to get to the end.

The rewards for the puzzle are meaningless this year, no daily reward, so stop crying that you are jumping challenged.

iAmTheDuke.6201:

You’d be surprised with what you can do in gw2 if you step away from the heavy train. Just seems like most guilds are “monkey see monkey do”.

Ultimately the problem is that in a low skill cap game like GW2 finding 20 people that can all manage to follow basic directions is a challenge, so you end up with face-roll meta like hammer trains.

you are so smrt

Bass.1697:

Adahilia.3678:

Bass.1697:

Adahilia.3678:

robocafaz.9017:

Bass.1697:

I like the part where you show your server exploiting in the picture as well.

I missed that, can you circle it for me?

indeed, what I see are a mesmer, presents, a dead guy from POV and some dead ranger pets, oh and a bunch of YB building siege at the top of the citadel stairs. what did I miss?

So that’s not your treb in citadel is what you’re saying? Coz I’d seriously have to wonder why they’d set up a treb and not an AC or ballista.

you’d set up a treb to take out in the vendor area if that is where the stuff we have in there is placed.. dunno wasn’t there and neither I’m guessing were you, but does make me wonder why you’d defend them doing it…

Because I’ve seen SBI set up trebs in their Citadel repeatedly and defend that when it’s a known exploit and that’s the only way to counter it.

Open photo.

Observe gear symbol.

Observe who’s head it is over.

Delete posts that make you look stupid.

PS – unless they are exploiting geometry or using a hack to get into the citadel then I do not consider it an exploit, nor do I care if they are there or not. I also do not care if folks build siege in the citadel. If you are pushed back to your citadel than whatever it takes to get you back out fighting is fine by me.

wads.5730:

Flytrap.8075:

Tricare.2946:

Flytrap.8075:

Necro is easymode as long as you don’t get bamzerged.

Oh, well then I’d suggest your entire guild play necro, you guys could use all the help you can get.

That is true; it’s hard roaming with five people when Maguuma runs twenty and still calls it a havoc team.

i dont think anyone on maguma calls anything ever a havoc team

I always thought death squad sounded better.

nikkistar.1409:

Anyways, we will see Mag and SBI for the next few weeks.

Ug, I sure hope that is not the case.

Best to just pretend the whole thing didnt happen, with that I apparently agree with ANET.

Kaga.7629:

YB still feels like a souless mini blackgate, being all serious with 5 man roaming ganksquads instead of the lovable and tenacious roamers of old.

YB all serious 5 man roaming ganksquads?? Where the kitten are you seeing that?

I think you got hit in the head by one too many of of the siege monkeys manning cannons and are a bit loopy. This would also explain your paranoid view that YB is somehow deliberately breaking their home BL server.

lordkrall.7241:

Jaxs.5830:

First of all, as many people have pointed out, most of the living stories can be completed in 1-2 days, not 3-4 weeks. So stop comparing season one to a living world story, they require different levels of effort and as such the rewards should be considerably different.

Funny, I saw people with the title for the meta just a day or two after start of season 1.
I suppose those people somehow managed to hack the game and give themselves that title then, since it was apparently not possible to complete it faster than 3-4 weeks.

Yes and I am sure there were folks that had many of the living story events done in an hour or two. Not talking about people that set aside fun and purpose to complete them fast, talking about general play normal progress.

Hardly YB’s vault their BL is broken. Nor would it be the fault of SBI that someone is griefing our server.

Should be more effort put into complaining about what they do control, like how bad they are.

Bertrand.3057:

Jaxs.5830:

You seem to be the perfect person to ask this question, something I have wondered about for a long time. Is the purple kool-aid actually grape flavored, or is it something else and just purple in color?

Check my post history, I’ve been very critical of some things the developers have done and directions that they’ve taken the game

Most of what you are celebrating as achievements should have been in the game before it was released or has been implemented so poorly it shouldn’t be even considered on a list of successes.

1.5 years into the game and the only skins we can buy with our own currency can be bought for a few silver off the TP. So I fail to see where you can come to the position that ‘new unique skins are always an option’. When are those an option, year 5?

As Ill Conceived pointed out, if you compare the meta reward from this first season directly with individual living story meta reward, it’s really a matter of preference which rewards were better. Yet some people think one meta reward should make up for an entire year.

First of all, as many people have pointed out, most of the living stories can be completed in 1-2 days, not 3-4 weeks. So stop comparing season one to a living world story, they require different levels of effort and as such the rewards should be considerably different.

Also living world rewards are transparent. You open the panel and you can see what rewards you get for putting in the effort. Some living world events I do because I want the reward, some I do because it looks fun, some I just outright ignore because it fits neither of those criteria. That option did not exist for season one and it should have.

Personally the rewards were exactly what I expected them to be, a bunch of junk greens, because that is what ANET has been rewarding WvW since day one. While it is not surprising, I think as players we need to make a stink about it because if we do not then we are accepting junk greens as our reward forever.

The fact that ANET hasn’t even acknowledged the issue, as far as I have seen, speaks volumes.

robocafaz.9017:

Bass.1697:

Everything in this forums is anecdotes or crying.

False. Yak’s Bend is scientspifically proven to run from 10v1 fights. I have the data to prove it right here:

There is no denying the science, nice work.

Bertrand.3057:

If you look at the work that’s been done on WvW, however, you should realize that the team is actually starting to deliver things that the community needs. Not little shinies that would satisfy a PvE player, but real content. There was a long period of stagnation when the game came out, but now they’re listening. Listening with respect to things that actually matter, like commander tools and map design. They’ve introduced a whole new reward system to WvW, and just tested another one out. They’ve kept the combat interesting by continuing to balance the classes, introducing new armors and upgrade components. I’ve personally gained a lot of confidence in the way WvW is being handled now.

Like King Amadeus pointed out, and as I tried to point out, there’s a balance to be struck with rewards, and failing to maintain that has the potential (as we’ve already witnessed temporarily) to change the landscape of WvW for the worse. The last thing I want WvW to be is just another map where the zerg can farm mats and grind for skins.

We still have our own currency, and our own experience system, so new unique skins are always an option. I’ve heard new WvW skins requested in the past, so I don’t think this thread brings anything new to the table. But I am much happier that they allocate game development resources rather than artwork resources to WvW, as they are doing now.

You seem to be the perfect person to ask this question, something I have wondered about for a long time. Is the purple kool-aid actually grape flavored, or is it something else and just purple in color?

Seems like instead of trying to fix the problem it would be cheaper to just mail everyone that says they didnt get it a handful of crummy greens and be done with it.

Boonprot.6274:

Jaxs.5830:

Our guild decided to not bother with the testing after we saw the spreadsheet. Giving account names of people is all that should matter, why do we need to provide email addresses when an email address is linked to each account?

Many of us use game specific email addresses for login that we do not use for any other purpose and sharing that with guildies is an un-necessary security risk.

Do what a lot of people did, create a separate acct just for EotM testing.

That was discussed, but why should you have to. Account has a linked email that they have access too. Why should everyone have to create a special email, why should we have to then fill it all into the spreadsheet.

Bottom line, it is too much effort to provide feedback that ANET will not listen too. Look at the dec 10 class design preview. 35 pages of comments and you have to look pretty hard to find the 4 tiny changes they made, all of which probably had nothing to do with the 35 pages of discussion.

bigblah.3285:

Jaxs.5830:

He may not have been trying too, but he was none the less. The griefer just went from objective to objective setting it up for Olaf zerg to follow along.

Were you online at that time? I was following Olaf, and from what I observed, there were a total of three Maguuma defenders in your keeps when we took them. I doubt the griefer made much of a difference.

Yea I was on and yea the number of folks willing to bother defending quickly drops when you have a griefer moving ahead of the zerg. Ultimately it is your loss more then ours, enjoy the PvDoor.

Natronix.9827:

I doubt Olaf was using the griefer to his advantage, he has been in SBI for a long time and he is a good commander. Also the EBG team was not the same map hopping BL team

He may not have been trying too, but he was none the less. The griefer just went from objective to objective setting it up for Olaf zerg to follow along.

Runehand.9368:

Yeah, now when you do it back to them, you’ll hear them cry about it for 3 weeks.

Does that extra rank chest at the end of the week really matter enough to play that way? Better to just laugh at them and move on, they are only annoying if you let them be.

Armor is not nearly as effective as you make it out, or the biggest problem.

To many heavy defensive builds are still too effective at doing damage and conditions and that has little to do with armor.

Just read a thread closed and the moderator stated:

If you witness any of these acts while playing, please report them using the in-game ticketing system so our Customer Support team can properly investigate the issue.

Wise advice, but what option are we to choose from? Here we are, over a year after the games release and our choices from the in-game ticketing system are:

Botting
Inappropriate Character Name
Spamming
Verbal Abuse
Scamming
Selling Gold
LFG System Abuse

Which one do you use for hacking? Which one do you use for someone exploiting? Which one for cross-server cheating?

LFG system goes into the game and they have absolutely no problem adding LFG System Abuse to the list and since it is a drop down list, how hard could it have been to add the item to a table somewhere in the database?

So why not one for hacking/exploiting/cheating? Why are we still asking for this miniscule change over a year later?

Not fighting them and alt-f4ing are different things. I would rather take them in a long chase to waste their time than just alt-f4.

Our guild decided to not bother with the testing after we saw the spreadsheet. Giving account names of people is all that should matter, why do we need to provide email addresses when an email address is linked to each account?

Many of us use game specific email addresses for login that we do not use for any other purpose and sharing that with guildies is an un-necessary security risk.

In fairness, and I do not often say anything positive about ANET, they did announce the downtime ‘before’ the reset so everyone knew not to drop a bunch of siege that might get lost. All we really lost was about 10 mins of patching time at the very start of reset, not a big deal.

Neeho.3859:

So much elitist crap in this thread. Get over yourselves and enjoy the game.

So says the non-elite.

Caroline.4987:

The only SBI guild that can pull over 20 people regularly is Abyss. >_> So yeah…to basically every SBI guild out there, Maguuma always looks like a blob. =P You guys have done Gold way too much.

You’ll see a few others spike up now and then, like TE, but 15 is a fairly regular number for almost every other SBI guild (maybe it’ll be better after the holidays and the finals, who knows?), with maybe a couple havocs that run in 5s and 10s. If you see a group with more, assume there’s militia with it. And we generally have to keep those guys happy….they’re still the significant majority of our WvW population.

So if a guild’s not on the map, you’re never going to see less than a militia zerg, shrug.

Yes because those guilds never ball up together to make a larger force, or run with pugs, etc.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Oh, thank you. Doesn’t look good for us, I am confident that we will pick momentum up soon.

Soon as everyone goes to bed.

Comprissent.3856:

was praying the patch would give us a new matchup

Me too. I said as much and jinx’d us

Yerffejy.6538:

Evalana.5480:

neven.3785:

That is why you build your own PC and just buy new parts when something breaks

I can’t do that. I am computerly handicapped and couldn’t build a toaster let alone a computer lol

I feel like a toaster would be much harder….

Not to mention more dangerous.

Sykper.6583:

If anything, we could say ‘Well Magumma kind of sucked at going for objectives, like I have seen bronze league do better’.

This would be a true statement that many on Mag would agree with.

Sykper.6583:

since you seem adamant that you have not gotten good fights. You are just baiting for responses, and I am humoring you because it is funny to me.

I am not baiting for a response, in fact I strongly encourage you to not respond to anything I or anyone from Mag posts.

I did not get any good fights from YB this week and I look forward to fighting someone else. Now that I have said that I am sure we will be bored by YB’s presence for the next 5 weeks straight

Chris.3290:

Loboling.5293:

Also, I hear its not just blobs in TC

That’s the most untrue thing I’ve read today (and there have been some whoppers.)

Agree. TC is many good things, but they are a PPT server that mostly blobs.

Art.9820:

Boon Removal Trap
This traps removes every buff from enemies when activated. Unable to buff for the next 15 seconds. Costs 10 supply to deploy.

So I was thinking we still need more traps I once saw a golem thing few months ago, my proposal is to punish blobs frontline with this kind of traps, we usually see big blobs being able to push all the way thanks to stability, somehow this could easily deal with that, what do you think? Obviously it will be capped to a # of enemies.

And yes I know the consumable already exists, I’m just suggesting its effect.

http://www.gw2db.com/items/75323-boon-removal-trap

Perhaps consider who would be impacted more:

An entire group of 20 people or less (assuming a numbers cap of 20)

20 people in a 50+ man blob

See the problem?

Boreal.9826:

Jaxs.5830:

Sykper.6583:

For good fights!

YB does not provide good fights.

I assume you’re talking about open field GvG type engagements, and yes it’s true.

Yes, not talking about GvGs though.

Sykper.6583:

Jaxs.5830:

Sykper.6583:

Jaxs.5830:

Sykper.6583:

Jaxs.5830:

Sykper.6583:

For good fights!

YB does not provide good fights.

Sure we do!

You just aren’t on at the right place or time!

Very true because I play NA prime.

Well you got the right time.

Oh, well I return to my earlier assessment in that you do not provide good fights then.

But you never actually answered my question, so I can make assumptions too. Like, you would not know what a good fight is, or you are pathetically trying to salvage whatever you can by taking this clearly biased stance.

But that would be silly and immature. Please feel free to continue as you were.

Yes because asking if I am logged into WvW is not a silly or immature question?

Sykper.6583:

Jaxs.5830:

Sykper.6583:

Jaxs.5830:

Sykper.6583:

For good fights!

YB does not provide good fights.

Sure we do!

You just aren’t on at the right place or time!

Very true because I play NA prime.

Well you got the right time.

Oh, well I return to my earlier assessment in that you do not provide good fights then. Seems like YB is being carried by off-hour so I thought you meant there was good fights in the off-hours. Even the transfer trash on SBI provided more entertainment this week.

jubjub.6084:

hemad^
15 chars

Pro-tip, spaces count as chars.

Sykper.6583:

Jaxs.5830:

Sykper.6583:

For good fights!

YB does not provide good fights.

Sure we do!

You just aren’t on at the right place or time!

Very true because I play NA prime.

Sykper.6583:

For good fights!

YB does not provide good fights.