Guild Wars 2

you knew for weeks how unbalanced and unhealthy mesmer/chronomancer is with its combination of continuumsplit, elites and signet of illusions, and yet you did nothing to change that.

you even nerfed dragonhunters, a class/spec that nobody gave a kitten about.

stop trolling your playerbase.

won’t change the fact that you have to play heal bot to be “competitive”.

Jhoul.6923:

Zenith.7301:

Are you serious? You want to encourage people to take dagger/scepter over staff and yet proceed to buff the strongest autoattack of the strongest weapon by 17%?

While only giving scepter a miserly 33% increase to the water attunement auto and marginally reducing fire auto cast time?

And leaving dagger water and earth attunements the same?

A 7% buff to Churning Earth? Are you joking?

Churning Earth needs to function like Dragon Tooth. Drop and forget.

idk if you noticed, but what they did was just a undo to all the Elementalist nerfs to dagger, scepter, and staff fire 1.

In the past dagger was the meta and by undoing the most of the past nerfs and leaving the staff strong I believe you will see more type of weapons being used.

where is the unnerf to ride the lightning then.

when i saw the picture i thought “yeah that’s gonna be a black lion weapon set that i might buy some skins of” and then i realized this is the new legendary. yup, not going to get it, especially not the way you need to grind for the new legendaries.

my changes for more viable dps play (not all weapons included, mostly about scepter)

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Dream-dps-ele-changes/first#post5921122

feel free to leave a comment. been playing main ele for over 2 years.

remember when quickness was 100% speed
remember when weakness was basically useless
remember when autoattacking the air removed blind

phokus.8934:

Razor.9872:

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Remember builds like
2|4|0|2|6

I prefer to run 10/20/0/10/30.

Or the fabled Mesmer 30/30/30/30/30 build that everyone thought Mesmers ran.

no that was the warrior longbow hammer axe greatsword build.

remember when we had automated tournaments that cost and awarded gems?

Asrat.2645:

Like Mike said. They are trying to make us happy with the content they deliver

that’s not something that will work for the pvp scene lol. heroes of the storm just released a minor balance patch today with the patch notes a couple of days early with developer comments for every change, something that anet has never done before. for big updates they always release infos on what’s going to get changed / nerfed and quite often they are spot on with the changes.

arenanet should split pve and pvp already and let the pvp team balance the classes… if you invest that much money then a split is clearly necessary.

dps ele has mediocre damage, mediocre survivability and isn’t really useful for your team like for example a mesmer with portal/moa and so on.

so you need to give ele more damage (in any case) and better selfsustain. now here comes the problem. if you buff the ele’s sustain for dps builds you will almost certainly have a survivability increase for defensive specced eles too. if you only buff the damage, people will start crying again like they did with d/d ele.

no matter what you do it won’t work. dps ele was never viable and will never be viable without a complete overhaul of the traits and skills.

nerf the healing of tempest and you can remove it from pvp. tempest is not even good, it’s just so that it’s the only support spec that remotely works.

don’t worry, playing cleric tempest is just as boring as playing against it…

is it op? no, definitely not.

Burtnik.5218:

Tbh i hope they nerf all elite specs into really deep kitten – down to alternative playstyles.

tell eles to play alternative playstyles lol.

25-30$ would have been a fair price for heart of thorns in my country.

the price i had to pay was far too high for what i got, and even higher for what i’m not getting now.

you don’t mind revs and yet you complain specifically about a rev skill while all other skills of the same kind work the same way… logic.

Josh Davis.6015:

Agemnon.4608:

Snip.

RE: Balance -> Contrary to popular belief, the PvP team (or wvw, fractals, raids, etc) doesn’t actually handle profession balance. There’s an entirely separate team dedicated to handling balance for all core areas of the game (appropriately named the Balance team). The PvP team (and the other aforementioned teams and more) gives regular feedback on balance issues, but the balance team is ultimately in charge of maintaining the design vision across the game.

grouch, split the balance and let the balance team balance pve and the pvp team balance pvp. at this point i feel like this really needs to be done. you always say it needs to be easy for new players and you can’t have your skills do different things when you go into pvp, but that’s not true. it was like that in gw1 too where it tolds you that some of your skills work differently. believe a bit more in your playerbase :^)

imagine a spear ele.. with the legendary… sharks on fire, landsharks, sharknado and sharks in their natural habitat.

style.6173:

Jekkt.6045:

d/d ele wasn’t overtuned before the specialisation patch, the balance between shoutbow rifle engi and d/d ele was very even. afterwards anet ruined everything with the 3rd traitline…

Burn was overtuned on ele prior to HoT. Good teams ran 2 of them.

That said, I’d like to see all elite specs nerfed.

i said before the specialisation patch, when you still ran 6 arcane 6 water 2 earth with hoelbrak runes and doom/battle.

Zuko.7132:

this quickly turned into an ele thing but the point im trying to make is hot stuff needs to be toned down or base stuff has to be buffed preferably hot stuff toned down

they can’t even balance the current elite specs, how can you expect them to tone them down and balance them around core specs? sorry but that idea is suspended indefinitely

Doggie.3184:

Brockolosso.8316:

D/D ele didnt pay off? or did i missunderstood this one since im not a native speaker?

It did payoff by being annoying with it’s sustain from skillspam and poking you for hours while it tryharded desperately for might combos to gain enough damage to kill something. I always just found them a nuisance and never actually a threat, personally. Especially in WvW where they’d just pester you till it was ready for them to run to a gate door to camp for their downed skill. I felt like I could just use less effort on a more fun class and get the same payoff back then so I just didn’t play Ele much.
Tempest lets me use Staff without feeling like a free kill target from lack of low CD defensive skills so I found it a lot more fun now.

sounds like you never met a good d/d ele lol

d/d ele wasn’t overtuned before the specialisation patch, the balance between shoutbow rifle engi and d/d ele was very even. afterwards anet ruined everything with the 3rd traitline…

feeling nostalgic about any damage on ele. and hitpoints.

paragon is totally different than hots tbh, hots requires more strategy and teamwork, has generally faster combat while paragon has shiny graphics and a jungle.

if you want fun and crazy heroes, it’s definitely hots, if you need wsad movement and a more “traditional” moba then it’s paragon.

imo overall hots is the best moba currently out there, and then i wouldn’t even call it “moba”.

ofc there’s also other mobas, like league when you’re a masochist, dota2 if you like russians and smite if you want a worse paragon. and some old and forgotten mobas too.

something that i don’t understand either is when people say “i just had this bad guy 5 times in a row in my matches”. why not simply wait a bit? usually in games when i lose 3 times in a row i take a break for a while.

Yannir.4132:

@Jekkt It seems I failed to impress my point. What I meant was instead of having a 3-part AA-chain, why not simply have 1-part AA? Speaking of AA, evades and reflects feel too strong for AA, and these seem like they are a bit hard to control for max efficiency. You could incorporate them into the other skills, or trait them.

Water #3 needs either a longer cd or less stun, I’d prefer less stun. 2 sec stun on 25s cooldown seems too strong. 1s stun and reduce casting time to 1/4s? Would make it easier to use as an interrupt as well.
Air #2 needs some more love. Give it a daze maybe, and increase cd to 25s? This would also bring it more into line with RtL, and give you a possible healing window during the disengage. Btw, I love the synergy between Air Sw and D.
Maelstrom could be stronger, maybe increase the stance duration to 10 secs?
Weaver’s Frenzy(GM Minor) seems underwhelming. Currently, you could only gain
max stacks while using the elite skill. Maybe not even then. Even a 15% attack speed boost is not that big a deal, since it only affects your AA.
Shared Stances (GM Major) seems too strong. You could effectively reduce the cd of the healing skill to 20s just by using your stances. Needs a triggering condition, such as getting hit while in a stance, a hit removing 1s from cd. Even this with an icd(1s). That way, if u are focused, you could reduce the cd to 20s, but you couldn’t super-recharge it while off-combat.

yeah you’re probably right that some things need to be buffed/changed. back when i created this, tempest was freshly revealed and we had yet to encounter the power creep of the elite specs, so by today’s standards this concept would most likely not be strong enough.
as for the 3 chain autos, they can actually work, they’re inspired by the ranger’s greatsword auto chain that evades on the last hit. the evades and reflects are only 1/4s but the more efficient you can be with them, the more they help, a little skill skill floor and it would be nice to finally have auto chains on ele. as for the stances, i would most likely just change the trait and lower the cooldown for all of them.
and weaver’s frenzy to quickness (2s) on attunement swap which would synergyze well with the autos.

Killface.1896:

Hugh Norfolk.2798:

Hey everyone,

I wanted to just chime in here and make some things clear as they may not be clear.

The “Year of The Ascension” achievement do not reset/clear between seasons. Whatever progress you have carries over to the next season.

If you can’t/don’t get the legendary if a specific year then there will be another way to obtain that specific backpack. I can’t go into any details on that, but you WILL be able to get previous years backpacks in some way.

We also understand the frustration of players and matchmaking this season and will do our best to make some changes for Season 3.

As changes you mean 100% rework right?

Right now if I know one of the player in other team I will know if I gonna win or lose before the game starts as the games I getting are that one sided,got one guy today 3 times in a row and I always knew I was gonna win with 200points+ (Its not fun when you win or lose that way!!!)

no wonder you lose your matches with that attitude…

godsie.2864:

Malediktus.9250:

godsie.2864:

what are “less versions”?

misses the point – if u start late and want to work towards the legendary – then not much help is it!

Even if you miss season 1-3 you can still make it to ascended backpack if you get legendary division in the 4th one

that’s not the legendary one
it still penalizes new players to gw2 who come on late in the pvp seasons through no fault of their own. They should have the chance of obtaining and working towards that legendary back pack next year especially if they like the skin

there will be a legendary next year
a new player wont spend 800g on a legendary back
a new player won’t be able to get the legendary anyway until he/she put a reasonable amount of time into pvp.

giving out the legendary after the “year of ascension” is mocking all the players who worked hard to get the item during that year. why work now if you can get it later?

godsie.2864:

Malediktus.9250:

Jekkt.6045:

Hugh Norfolk.2798:

If you can’t/don’t get the legendary if a specific year then there will be another way to obtain that specific backpack. I can’t go into any details on that, but you WILL be able to get previous years backpacks in some way.

disappointing, so there’s no value to them at all.

indeed, it is easy enough to get the legendary already
ascended backpack should require diamond division in all seasons of year of ascension
legendary backpack should require legendary division in all seasons of year of ascension

let me guess your diamond or legendary !! there ’s a surprise
not failing to disappoint your division

the disappointment lies in the wings being obtainable after its specific season. what’s the point in dedicating 4 whole seasons, by name, to something that’s obtainable after that “event” is over?

and who cares what division i’m in? you can get 4x ruby and still get the wings afaik.

Malediktus.9250:

There is nothing wrong with “Exalted Legend” and I would hate to see it changed.

yeah who doesn’t want to be an (eg)salted legend.

i once had a match where i told people to put a necro on close, go far with 2 dps and stall mid with an ele and a scrapper. i was told not to tell them how to live their lives and the scrapper went far.

Hugh Norfolk.2798:

If you can’t/don’t get the legendary if a specific year then there will be another way to obtain that specific backpack. I can’t go into any details on that, but you WILL be able to get previous years backpacks in some way.

disappointing, so there’s no value to them at all.

tbh i would have gone with ascendant in general instead of legend, like Primordial Ascendant. and then for all the 4 titles an achievement that unlocks “legendary ascendant”. makes it more legendary

if player mmr is similar to team mmr then it’s easy to gain if you’re low and easy to lose if you’re high.

yes there will most likely be a balance patch before the finals of season 2.

Chaith.8256:

style.6173:

Not sure why you think killing esports is going to fix anything?

1. Is it going to make the balance team learn to balance?
2. Is it going to make the matchmaking guy learn to matchmake?

ESL matches are icky and I don’t like watching it, they should just disappear.

anet throwing money around might help you and your wallet, but you can’t tell me that spending 200k$ every 3months for 3k twitch viewers is a good investment, especially when there’s still no build templates and our spectator mode is a mess.

twitch viewers come with good content, with stuff that’s fun and entertaining to watch, not only with money.
gw2 is just not exciting enough for it to be a proper esport. it’s exciting to play, but to watch it… half of that comes down to the visual noise in a fight, the bad spectator mode and camera movement, casters not properly explaining builds, casters not analyzing strats.
the other half comes from the game failing over and over again, be it balance, leagues and all the stuff they gave us that was bad until now.

Yannir.4132:

@Jekkt Love the basic idea. I’m pretty sure it needs further balancing, though. Not sure if AA-chain is a good idea. Elementalist as a class tends to revolve around swapping elements, so often u don’t even get to utilize that chain.

eles usually get passive defense from their traits, in my concept the defense is active and on the auto attacks. instead of picking defensive traitlines you can spec into damage. the autos are not meant to deal significant damage. the way you deal damage is by a rapid succession of skills, combining effects to reset your cooldowns.

no you can’t complete the achievement without the 15 days.

so you won 356 out of 909 ranked matches… guess what, it’s not the system.

we’re soon done with season 2. wings will be for season 1-4. why would you think new wings are already in developement, especially now that they disbanded the legendary items team lol.

pvp balance was suspended indefinitely, team is working on living story 3 now :^)

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Concept-Elite-Specialisation-The-Weaver/first#post5367252

red team has 750 points, blue 720. red team won. you’re the ranger of the blue team if i’m not mistaken. after all the red team doesn’t have any rangers.

the team with the higher total score wins.

ibkillin.9610:

Jekkt.6045:

ibkillin.9610:

Oh sorry I need to “L2P” get the kitten outta here with that comment it gets old.

you do if you think the enemy will win with 2 dragon hunters.

Where I am in the league right now that seems to be the case. I do fine against them, but whatever.

get an ele with focus offhand and you basically ruin every dragonhunter’s day. it’s easy as that. but people usually don’t switch classes.. if you wanna win you should start doing it.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Jekkt.6045:

DeWolfe.2174:

Jekkt.6045:

yes your teammates are very bad sometimes, but so are your opponents.

No, no, and NO! Matrch making takes MMR to build a team. Then match making uses Pip Range to find an opposing team. It does not try, at all, to find an opponent of similar MMR to make a competitive match. So when we have Joe Legendary here running on Alt account, which many are doing, its the perfect example of how lower MMR players can be matched against high MMR players in lower divisions.

that’s your own illusion. mmr doesn’t mean anything, it’s a number that doesn’t win games. i’m sure there have been many games in which the enemy team had a higher mmr than mine and we still won. i beat a couple of 5man premades along the way to legendary too. you’re discouraging yourself by always taking mmr too seriously.

There is no illusion in saying MMR is used to make teams but not to find opponents. Look for yourself at the algorithm. I too defeated teams who seemed stronger but what does it prove? How does it change the fact this is how teams are made.

i’m not saying the system doesn’t match teams by mmr. what i’m saying is that mmr is just a number, it’s in no way a guaranteed loss if the enemy team has a higher mmr.

DeWolfe.2174:

Jekkt.6045:

yes your teammates are very bad sometimes, but so are your opponents.

No, no, and NO! Matrch making takes MMR to build a team. Then match making uses Pip Range to find an opposing team. It does not try, at all, to find an opponent of similar MMR to make a competitive match. So when we have Joe Legendary here running on Alt account, which many are doing, its the perfect example of how lower MMR players can be matched against high MMR players in lower divisions.

that’s your own illusion. mmr doesn’t mean anything, it’s a number that doesn’t win games. i’m sure there have been many games in which the enemy team had a higher mmr than mine and we still won. i beat a couple of 5man premades along the way to legendary too. you’re discouraging yourself by always taking mmr too seriously.

ibkillin.9610:

Oh sorry I need to “L2P” get the kitten outta here with that comment it gets old.

you do if you think the enemy will win with 2 dragon hunters.

there is no mmr hell. the only “hell” some players are in is their own, thinking they are better than they actually are.

i got to sapphire by playing fresh air ele and people were never focusing me in teamfights, letting me freecast my air overloads that wiped the entire team.

later i started playing rev and necro, switched to cleric ele in order to complete the stupid ascension achievements, playing 3 matches per day for those dailies.

so what did i do? i checked what classes my team has, what classes the enemy team has and based on that i rerolled to either rev necro or ele. i told people where to go, how to rotate, when to go boss. some people flamed me for it, some were happy – and we won.

i did 95% of my matches soloq and the rest duoq, maintaining a winrate of 80% or higher from amber to legendary. i have 8500 pvp matches and although i’m a bit rusty at the moment i still know how to rotate.

that’s something that many players i encountered don’t know. they don’t adapt their playstyle, don’t switch classes most of the time, don’t know how to rotate. 99% of the time splits were 4 mid 1 close, no far pushes, nothing.
they chase 3v1, fight 1v1 on capped enemy nodes vs a scrapper or ele, do beast when your team needs you, run lord when it’s already 480… don’t watch map, don’t prepare for respawn, don’t scout, don’t watch people disengage fights, don’t know their roles. and then they cry because they are stuck.

guess what, if you’re stuck in ruby/diamond then it’s in 99% of the cases your own fault. yes your teammates are very bad sometimes, but so are your opponents. and if you have 5 terrible players as opponents make sure that your team only cosists of 4.

to all the people that want a refund, at the start of HoT some people asked for a refund and they got one, but your account gets suspended and you can never use it again.

Ghede.9145:

Jekkt.6045:

i started playing hots. it’s a lot of fun, it’s team based like guild wars, very good devs that usually get balance right quickly, new updates every 3-4 weeks with great content, many maps that are good, f2p.

thx, gonna check it out

i looked up a bunch of games (haven’t looked for 2+ years what is happening,
so here is a short list of games, that imho just dont cut it.

- rift
- neverwinter online
- skyforge
- world of warcraft
- echo of souls
- blade and soul
- asta
- wildstar
- elder scrolls online
- any MOBA (like wtf ppl play those for) <— soz Jekkt, MOBA is just not for me ^^

mmo is a dying market and usually not catered towards pvp players, many mmo’s are shutting down (wildstar) or others (eso) are just bad and some are getting too old. then there’s the grindy asian mmos like blade and soul or black desert with flashy skills, 6s stuns and 100-0 combos. if you want pvp keep your hands off mmos. gw2 is basically the only mmo with “good” pvp. i wasn’t a fan of mobas for a long time and i despise league of legends, but heroes of the storm is really good for what it is, i wouldn’t judge it without having played it.

other than that maybe Gigantic, it’s not really a moba but rather a 5v5 GvG, it’s made by some gw1 devs and you fight to take down the enemy lord.

i started playing hots. it’s a lot of fun, it’s team based like guild wars, very good devs that usually get balance right quickly, new updates every 3-4 weeks with great content, many maps that are good, f2p.