Guild Wars 2

Pyrial.2917:

Josh P.1296:

Mesmers are meant to deceive, but that aside. Basically (in the stun breaker department), you are saying mesmers must be completely equal with other classes in that area. I’m in no way calling these other professions OP but if you want to make stupid comparisons then.. I wish I had iWin within 2 secs combos like thieves and warriors. I wish I could use stealth whenever I felt like it. I wish I could go a glass cannon and still soak up damage and have a plethora of HP as a warrior. I wish I had some way of maintaining perma swiftness like nearly every other class. I wish I had a second health bar like necro? I wish I could go an uber effective bunker spec like ele or guardians etc etc etc QQ.

Generally speaking of professions doesn’t help your cause. An 8 second teleport that acts as a stun breaker is too strong imo.

Lol, tbh I don’t think it is OP or unbalanced nor is it game changing even in a 1v1 situation. I don’t even use staff in spvp, I’m just annoyed about the countless threads that are made about numerous mesmer skills that cry op and nerf when there are way worse things to cry about and mesmer isn’t even OP.

P.S. phase retreat fails a lot and the distance in which you gain from its teleport is only about 600.

Camping outside the entrance of the dark room near the ledge and pulling countless amounts of SBI off on the opposite ledge for a good 10-15 minutes the other week. Also harassing a group of IoJ back a few weeks ago and then getting messaged by one saying that I’m bad and that the only reason I camp in jp is because I can’t get kill in ‘normal wvw’ tehehe.

Mesmers are meant to deceive, but that aside. Basically (in the stun breaker department), you are saying mesmers must be completely equal with other classes in that area. I’m in no way calling these other professions OP but if you want to make stupid comparisons then.. I wish I had iWin within 2 secs combos like thieves and warriors. I wish I could use stealth whenever I felt like it. I wish I could go a glass cannon and still soak up damage and have a plethora of HP as a warrior. I wish I had some way of maintaining perma swiftness like nearly every other class. I wish I had a second health bar like necro? I wish I could go an uber effective bunker spec like ele or guardians etc etc etc QQ.

Pyrial.2917:

Josh P.1296:

Pyrial.2917:

Josh P.1296:

Pyrial.2917:

Josh P.1296:

lol at this thread. Just another mesmer skill to tick off the list among numerous of other mesmer skills that have been cried about being OP when they’re not. Let us also remember that just because it is on a 8sec cd doesn’t mean that it gets spammed precisely every 8 secs it is available (must take wep swapping into consideration also realising that staff does kitten damage and is used defensively by majority). If this skill is the deciding factor in whether you win or lose against a mesmer, you’re bad, I don’t care about you’re rank 39.

Lets nerf every single mesmer skill? Better yet, how about we remove the entire class from the game?

Someone doesn’t understand the meaning of balance.

You’re right. This skill is extremely unbalanced and OP compared to many other things in this game.

When compared to utility skills this ability is over tuned, now add on top of it the other abilties affored a mesmer and this is over the top.

I’ld love to see some footage of your skillness. Please do entertain me.

So because mes has a few stun breakers, that makes it unbalanced in comparison to others?

Do you really believe that’s what I’m saying?

You’re just blindly arguing, because it is a profession you happen to play.

Yes. You’re crying because phase retreat has an 8sec cd and is a weapon skill that acts like a stun breaker similar to another few stun breaker utilities mes has (decoy, mirror images, blink) and on top of all them you are saying it is over the top and unbalanced.

Pyrial.2917:

Josh P.1296:

Pyrial.2917:

Josh P.1296:

lol at this thread. Just another mesmer skill to tick off the list among numerous of other mesmer skills that have been cried about being OP when they’re not. Let us also remember that just because it is on a 8sec cd doesn’t mean that it gets spammed precisely every 8 secs it is available (must take wep swapping into consideration also realising that staff does kitten damage and is used defensively by majority). If this skill is the deciding factor in whether you win or lose against a mesmer, you’re bad, I don’t care about you’re rank 39.

Lets nerf every single mesmer skill? Better yet, how about we remove the entire class from the game?

Someone doesn’t understand the meaning of balance.

You’re right. This skill is extremely unbalanced and OP compared to many other things in this game.

When compared to utility skills this ability is over tuned, now add on top of it the other abilties affored a mesmer and this is over the top.

I’ld love to see some footage of your skillness. Please do entertain me.

So because mes has a few stun breakers, that makes it unbalanced in comparison to others?

Pyrial.2917:

Josh P.1296:

lol at this thread. Just another mesmer skill to tick off the list among numerous of other mesmer skills that have been cried about being OP when they’re not. Let us also remember that just because it is on a 8sec cd doesn’t mean that it gets spammed precisely every 8 secs it is available (must take wep swapping into consideration also realising that staff does kitten damage and is used defensively by majority). If this skill is the deciding factor in whether you win or lose against a mesmer, you’re bad, I don’t care about you’re rank 39.

Lets nerf every single mesmer skill? Better yet, how about we remove the entire class from the game?

Someone doesn’t understand the meaning of balance.

You’re right. This skill is extremely unbalanced and OP compared to many other things in this game.

Birdrock.1697:

This is a classic example of people not having any clue what they are talking about and spouting random nonsense. It does not break stun or immobilize. The range is fairly short, and it regularly fails to even teleport ANY distance.

What new complaint will there be? I’ve heard complaints about every single shatter ability, blink, decoy, mirror images, phantasmal berserker, blurred frenzy, phantasmal duelist, magic bullet, temporal curtain/into the void, portal, moa morph, mass invis, time warp, deception (doesn’t work 90% of the time), and phantasmal rogue.

How about we try to play the profession and understand the mechanics before we start whining again?

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Also this ^^^^^^ in conjunction to the beginning of my first post.

lol at this thread. Just another mesmer skill to tick off the list among numerous of other mesmer skills that have been cried about being OP when they’re not. Let us also remember that just because it is on a 8sec cd doesn’t mean that it gets spammed precisely every 8 secs it is available (must take wep swapping into consideration also realising that staff does kitten damage and is used defensively by majority). If this skill is the deciding factor in whether you win or lose against a mesmer, you’re bad, I don’t care about you’re rank 39.

Lets nerf every single mesmer skill? Better yet, how about we remove the entire class from the game?

Forgive me if it is a ‘noob’ question, but I have recently gotten into spvp and I saw somewhere that Anvil Rock or Stormbluff Isle are the only decent places left for spvp/tpvp. Is that correct?

Tarkus.4109:

The butt-hurt is strong with this one; Illuception was refused admittance into the guild due to poor conduct and now he is trying to flame us. How quaint.

No. I left as soon as I found out you nubs bandwagoned from Blackgate, a perfectly capable server that happened to fall in to t2.

DiE bandwagoned from Blackgate about 2 weeks ago if you’re curious.

Strong novel/10
+1

Closest thing you’ll find to that in gw2 is the ascalonian armor dungeon set.

That is how it’s intended. The glicko system isn’t just about win/loss 1st moves up 2nd stays 3rd moves down, it is about the type of performance expected based on the ratings in comparison to the other servers you are vsing. It is suppose to produce the most even match ups as possible. If it was 1st move up 2nd stays 3rd moves down, then quite possibly you would have the 3rd server moving down from the above tier smashing the other 2 servers and the server that came first moving up to the above tier getting smashed as well. Would you rather close tight matches as most of the tiers are now, or continuous blow outs every 2 weeks?

Same.4687:

These threads have been around for ages now. Thieves are fine, if you can get one-shotted by a thief it most likely means you are a glass cannon (or close to it). Which means you do good damage yourself but as comes with high risk/high reward you die easily.

Burst thieves can only do that one thing, burst down a single target. Glass cannon thieves cannot light up a group like a glass cannon Ele can. We can’t shatter a group like a Mesmer can. All we can do is pop in, burst the crap out of that one person and pop out.

100b warriors have higher burst damage than thieves, have double the HP and are quite mobile too.
Mesmers have about the same amount of burst damage (but including aoe dam), more HP, have great escapes and thus quite mobile.

This isn’t anything new, people are just annoyed by thieves because of the CULLING issue. Nothing more, nothing less.

I lold hard at all this bullkitten. Mesmer has nowhere near as good a burst potential as thieves. If you’re not paying attention thieves burst you down in 1-3seconds. You also forget to mention thieves cluster bomb which is ranged aoe, hits for 3-5k plus applying conditions which is also spammable. Also I wouldn’t be mentioning mesmer in a conversation about mobility especially in comparison to a thiefs mobility who have spammable teleports, perma swiftness signet and multiple stealths lol. You are semi correct about warriors, but they are MUCH easier to avoid/combat.

I’m not necessarily crying OP about thieves (even though everyone knows they are tehehe) and I have no problem going against one in a 1v1 situation, but if you want to make stupid false bullkitten comparisons then that is what I have to say

Jumper.9482:

So you’re mad because….. Mesmers are fairly balanced now?
I for one welcome our new Necro and Ele overlords.

Mesmers having its damage kittened and our core mechanic of phantasms barely working properly and not being able to cast a phantasm due to a 1cm bump on the ground is balanced?

I agree with most of the OP’s post.
Also I’m not being biased because I’m a mesmer as it doesn’t affect my personal play as a mesmer like all the bugs the class has received recently, but there is nothing wrong with portal. God forbid people have to sweep keeps and towers or learn how to combat a portal bomb or do the slightest bit of work/effort more.. How about we get rid of all legit tactics, remove all camps, siege weapons, towers and keeps and make it a 100v100 deathmatch on each map!

No but they came when SoS was ranked 10th.

They probably left because of their ‘little streak’. Anyway they probably went to euro so they can claim “yo we dominate euro wvw too!” They’re at Seafarer’s Rest now which is ranked 4th and is now dominating their current tier ( I don’t know how well the server played previously) but right now they’re decimating and looks to be a huge score line.

Yes but every second use of it is going to require you to be stuck in sword for 8-9 until you can use BF again or wep swap again. You said that out 30 secs you can be invulnerable for 8 secs total. It is true but you exaggerate it. BF goes on a 8 sec cd and if you’re in the middle of a fight, 8 secs is a lot of time to eat a kitten load of damage and conditions, Note: if you have conditions they don’t go away by using BF.

Any one who has trouble facing BF is bad. Not to mention sword3 kittens up a lot failing to root the enemy and if you’re talking about a 1v1 situation, if you’re not a baddie you’re going to dodge as soon as you see a clone flying at you, the mesmer is BFing away and you’ve dodged and in that 2 secs of him being invulnerable, you haven’t even done damage to him or hitting him anyway cos you evaded it. In bigger fights it’s not exactly game changing either and it doesn’t make you uber invincible.

Like I said before, it is possible, but it is unrealistic and very situational and you exaggerate about being mathematically able to be invulnerable for 8secs out of 30. Big difference between being able to be invulnerable for 8 consecutive seconds out of 30 and being invulnerable for 2 secs every 8 secs out of 30.

Jake Dressler.8204:

Mufa.1326:

Josh, you are just insisting on lying. 2 sec invul is available to mesmer every 8 seconds. Claiming it is every 20 seconds is a lie. You will not respond to my post because you have no answer, stop pretending to be ‘above it all’.
Tonight I rolled mesmer to test. Yeah, you can easily use BF 4 times in 30 sec as i described above. I went straight to duel a decent warrior and killed him. Should I be able to do so in my first fight on a class? No, but it happened for some reason.

That warrior was obviously Pro, and claiming it is every 20 seconds is about accurate. If you sit with your sword out constantly what exactly do you plan on doing while BF is on cooldown? Auto attacking? in pvp? melee? with cloth? Learn to play the game and you’ll understand what he meant. Weapon swap.

Jake pretty much summed up what I was going to reply with but I guess in a 1v1 circumstance it may be possible, but even then the opposing enemy would have to be teribad lol and as I stated in my previous post “majority of situations and circumstances”. In SPvP I rarely get to 1v1 without starting to get attacked from one of their team mates or just more players entering the battle in general. Even in TPvP where 1v1s are a better chance of happening, I doubt many are going to lose to a glass cannon melee mesmer sitting in sword all day unless they are really bad.

So many clueless mesmer haters posting in here.
A lot of dopey kittens posting theoretical and mathematical possibilities when simply, majority of the time the setting or circumstances won’t allow for it (referring to that useless rant by mufas).

Also people crying about mesmer having stealth aswell? Well I don’t know about other people, but the only stealth skill I use in pvp is decoy which is 3 secs stealth on a 32sec cd. I use time warp instead of mass invisibility and I don’t see many people running around with a torch, unlike a thief who can spam stealth.

Anyway there is a kitten load more of bullkitten that should be responded to that have been posted by clueless kittens who don’t think or compare with other classes before actually spilling their kitten on barely viable (as of right now) mesmers, but I just can’t be bothered.

Lastly, in the state of the game vid, the was a part talking about skill balancing etc and hundred blades came up. Basically what was said is that it is not going to get nerfed and people need to learn how to play and avoid it. Lol 8-10 secs is more than enough time to melt a light armor glass cannon in melee range, not to mention (most) people in (most) situation are probably going to wep swap which adds another 9 secs and I stand with what I said in an earlier post. If you can’t kill someone who gets 2secs invulnerability every 17-19 secs, you do need to learn how to play lol.

Sonnet.9840:

Mufa.1326:

Other classes do not get to be invulnerable 25%+ of game time based on single skill to be viable.

This is in theory. People in this thread are buffing each other up until everyone thinks that mesmer is invunerable 25% of the time. C’mon guys, no mesmer uses BF like that. I have played 650 games on my mesmer and used BF less than ten times to just whip air to avoid cc or damage, and that is a desperation move. Rarely, if ever, seen other mesmers using BF like that. Maybe better mesmers than me use that move regularly, but I haven’t been in the same matches with them then.

That being said, I do think that mesmer might be a bit too strong atm and that the class needs some fixes. But so does a lot of other stuff. F.ex bunkers when glass cannons get gradually toned down.

Hahaha. Mesmers are too strong right now? Lol nice joke.

Nerf war and thief b4 nerfing mes (again) pl0x.
Actually, they should just get rid of the whole mesmer profession no?

Anyway, as was mentioned by one person, Mesmer has lower health, lowest armor, BF is required to go to melee range. The damage does no where near as much damage as HB or PW. Also I saw another guy post that you would have to be not wep swapping and staying in sword to do it everytime as soon as its cd has finished which in most cases is unlikely. Man if people can’t handle 2secs of invulnerability every 19 secs (10sec cd, 9 sec wep swap cd) then they’re just bad QQers and I hate to be one to say this but if they can’t handle it then they really do need to “learn 2 play”, simple as that. Lol I can’t believe the amount of people STILL crying for more mesmer nerfs.

GambLeo.9062:

Josh P.1296:

Omg 75% of the population that play this game cry about nothing or the smallest things.

How am I crying? I’m voicing my concern over a part of the game mechanics that I don’t understand. You haven’t done anything to explain it yourself.

You don’t have to accept the request as martypartys has said and even if this was removed, do you think that would stop ‘spies’? I believe there is this AWESOME as feature called ‘whisper chat’ (I know right, I hadn’t heard of it before either) and a few revolutionary programs called TS3, ventrilo, mumble and what not :O

I used to go in RA with diversion and glyph of renewal together to cast back to back diversions on monks followed by shame, it was hektik shutdown :P

Damage is kitten too.

wads.5730:

wtf are you arguing for, its been stated that the damage is a bug, and the attack delay is also going to be fixed.

just wait for the fix.

The guy was further justifying how the skill wasn’t as powerful as a few others are making it out to be.

Carkara.1846:

Mesmer don’t need to be fixed, they have portal, MOA and butterflies.

Phantasms are too powerful and need to be destroyed (or not summoned) before any amazing damaged is dished out, we call it balance.

3 illusions are too many, dev team is working on reducing to none… after all if traited mesmer can shatter themselves

Lol’d hard at these 3, especially the last one.

lare.9512:

I am sorry to say but there was no delay in the phantasm attack, or maybe it has been seen as a no delay because of the phantasm rendering time. Now the phantasm is getting killed instantly and I also think that the Inspiration line traits like phantasmal strength and persisting images are not kicking in anymore.

I have also tested the GS phantasms on the heart of the mists golems and my first reaction was : this must be a joke, since I have been waiting for the phantasm initial hit fix but instead I am now doing even less DPS than before.

Also if we mesmers are such magical creatures could someone responsible for the Lore behind the mesmer profession explain me WHY do we need line of sight when creating an illusion. The mesmer is not creating the illusions with its eyesight but with mental powers which I am sorry to say that are not limited by the terrain or whatever walls we have in front of it.

Something however is telling me that the process of bug fixing is completely wrong.

I could not understand what your QA testers are doing if they are not able to spot such trivial mistakes. Also something is telling me that whatever project manager is overseeing this bug fixing process should be fired, named and ashamed so he cannot work as a PM ever again since these new bugs every bugfix release builds are obvious his failures.

Lol, exactly what I thought with the LoS nerf. Mesmer being about deception, trickery, mind kittenery and all that kitten, you don’t need line of sight to create or summon a phantasm to kitten with someones mind.

zastari.1730:

Wow winnin T1 isn’t enough so here you all are doing the needful for even more coverage.

No need to be hostile sir.

I secretly want a Mesmer elite skill called “Clone Army” which spawns like 10 clones for a duration of time ;D

Or an elite skill with a MASSIVE phantasmal beast animation. Tehehehe…

SteepledHat.1345:

I’m all for a warrior nerf. Most OP class second only to thief. We sissy mesmers and our OP portal, our dodge-able, blind-able, block-able phatasams, and our whopping 5K crits welcome a warrior nerf.

Let’s not even mention the warrior’s “Screw being downed” downed skill….

5k crits after the most recent patch?!?! Where!?!?!
I go GS/Staff and with the new patch delaying the phantasm attacks, they either miss the enemy or are killed before they can even swing, meanwhile I’m left with my GS auto attack and mirror blade which hit under 2k.

Vendris.4201:

JonPeters.5630:

Fyi, the delay on first attack has been present since BWE2. It is there for balance reasons to give enemies a moment to react to the powerful summon.

First off: thank you for giving an intended date on the fix for beserker.

Second off: your statement that the delay is there to give enemies a time to react to the summon makes 0 sense. An enemy can react to the summon of a phantasm by interrupting you, blinding you, stealthing, stepping our of range, or dodging you – thus denying the summon from being summoned and putting the skill on cooldown.

Do a comparison between the opening attack of a phantasm, and some of the other spike damage skills in the game. Then please show us some concrete reasons as to why the opening attack of a phantasm is considered so powerful that an enemy should have two chances to completely negate the damage – once by denying the summons at all, and second by being able to kill it or dodge it after it’s summoned and before it does any damage.

I’m going to pick on thieves a little – where is my chance to react to a thief backstabbing me out of stealth? It does far more damage than my phantasms, and I have no chance to deny the attack.

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LOL! This is EXACTLY what I was going to post until I saw this perfect post. Straight out of my mind.

vutak.3186:

Honestly, I think you’ll probably find that every class will get their turn getting bonked by the nerf bat. I imagine this will be a never-ending process of tweaking and adjusting for A.net and sometimes – particularly when you’re playing a profession intensely – it’ll feel like a giant slap in the face.

Not warriors, they’re nerf proof.

They better fix this ASAP. Basically I run Great sword and staff and now with these kitteny bugs and patches and my phantasms; along with having the kitteny damage reduction or swings not hitting or whatever and taking a year to attack and completely missing, basically my only damage is my great sword auto (spatial surge) and mirror blade which don’t even hit for 2k.

Also, someone else mentioned that iWarlock attacks and damage or numbers do not occur even when the enemy is stationary and not even an ‘evade’ or ‘block’ show up.
I have noticed this also. It doesn’t happen all the time, but it does happen occasionally.

jkctmc.8754:

Glass Canon this, Glass Canon that.

I hit this hard with Kill Shot on my Warrior too, and think it is nonsense hah.

The funny thing is, you can get Glass Canon numbers, and still get high defense on a Warrior. I have over 3000 in Attack, and Armor, on top of having 26k hit points, and 70% crit when I’m attacking you.

I won’t even mention how well my shouts heal, on top of other abilities that heal me when I crit, while I’m reflecting missiles each time I block.

Lol this is exactly right, but there are so many dopey kitten on this forum who are, as you said “glass cannon this, glass cannon that” and don’t know kitten.

Well for 1vX as you probably know, your best bet would be Mesmer or Thief but other than that, in my opinion, I would go bunker ele.

kittenkitten in this thread. It doesn’t matter if you can avoid it or ways you can avoid it. Regardless, most times this skill is going to be successful especially if you’re in WvW fighting or defending against a zerg or what ever where people aren’t going to notice. It is rather being able to do such damage. Full glass cannon warriors can do anywhere from 13k-25k damage from 1500 range hitting 3 targets. Why does a warrior do a kitten load more ranged damage than any other ranged profession, not to mention warriors are in the highest health pool, and highest armor.

Is this balanced?

Levetty.1279:

It was always useless outside of trolling people. If you got moa’d then died you were either going to die anyway or for some reason you forgot you can run away.

Now all it does is give the enemy an environmental weapon.

I would have preferred they just removed it and gave us a useful elite. Since nothing is going to beat Time Warp/MI for group support then maybe a nice general purpose elite to help out Mesmers in PvE like Warriors Signet of Rage, especially as we don’t even have a utility that can fit that description. Either that or some clever/interesting elite based around clones/phantasms.

I would like to see an elite skill based around a phantasm or clone too.

iRouge (downstate skill) takes a year to attack aswell.
Tbh it is actually bullkitten. iZerk is majority of my damage and now it just stands there forever and by the time it finally moves, the enemy has moved and iZerk does its swinging motion either missing (most of the time) or getting a mere 600 damage done from the end of its action.

Yes I’m mad.

Man My iZerker nearly never gets an attack in now…

Open up with mirror blade & iZerk, they heal/stealth, then I decoy & roll. they come out of stealth attack one of my clones, I dish all damage I can before they stealth again, if they go into stealth again and their health is low, I mind wrack my illusions. Super easy especially against full glass cannon thieves, in my experiences anyway.

I go GS & Staff. Staff has chaos storm which is great defensive skill, also has iMage which does 6k crits and phase retreat is good for moving away from enemy.

For armor, accessories, weps etc

I have knights armor: Power, Prec, Toughness
Ruby Orbs on the armor: Power, Prec, Crit
Valkyrie accessories: Power, Vit, Crit
and Soldier Weps: Power, Toughness, Vit

Rafe Mathews.2308:

I read the interview about pay-as-you-go expansions and couldn’t stop laughing. Then got terrified as I realized it wasn’t a joke. =/

Link?

Takes 2898349234 seconds for mine to attack now

only 1. and 5.

-Very cheesy

This isn’t an issue.
OP needs to stop crying.

Stealth breaks/reveals you at the end of an action when it actually does the damage, not at the beginning of an action, why should stomping be any different.

Lets just remove the whole mesmer class from the game ;D
A lot of QQing would be solved ;D

Krathalos.3461:

If you want equality among classes, then you’ll have to give up more than what you’re bargaining for. You just want equality where it’s convenient for you.

For example, NO OTHER CLASS has the utility that a mesmer has. For example, Portal. What other class can transport an entire zerg in a second? Right, none. That’s imbalanced between classes. What other class has CDR on a 5 point minor trait, which affects not only a majority of weapon skills but utility skills as well? Again, none.

I could go on, too. Acting like all classes need to be equal while you sit around playing the class that has more things no other class has is just asinine. Either change your argument or give it up.

LOL, dopey kitten. This isn’t unbalanced or overpowered. Portal does absolutely nothing for a mesmer’s personal play. As you have stated one of its uses is to transport zergs, both teams have access to this. For this to be effective you actually need other real people playing and taking the portal.

Use your brain before posting a dopey comment like that.

EB jumping puzzle is great. I love camping noobs like all the people that come crying about it on the forums.

Not being biased cos I’m a mesmer, really It doesn’t bother me cos it doesn’t affect my personal play, but what annoys me is that people in this game cry about anything that requires effort to combat. It’s a legit tactic, it is not game ruining, both side have access to it and I have seen both cases where they have succeeded and have failed multiple times.