Guild Wars 2

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Neandramathal.9536:

Kai.9182:

Neandramathal.9536:

Kai.9182:

Neandramathal.9536:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

So now you’re talking about a community event which directly affects the game play of WvW.
These people were in the middle of nowhere, hurting nobody and yet they deserve to be harassed by some random employee who doesn’t even work in this department of the game?

If its a large community event then they should have had taken steps to prevent player grieving they let a single Dev Derails there whole event instead of just killing him right then and there and i just don’t mean striking him a few times to make him go away red=dead specially if said person was ignoring the players he should not have ben treated any differently even with a tag.

This event was held in the middle of nowhere, a barren wasteland further south than the southern most camp in each of the borderlands. Anyone attending this area goes right out of there way to get there and that’s exactly what this person did. Went out of his way to go and disrupt a community event.

Why should they have to kill people when they can just make their intentions clear of what is going on, and then that person can participate as a spectator?

With the intentions of the person in question, I think it is quite important to note that they are a part of Anet. Otherwise there wouldn’t have been a Dev response about the subject.

A typical unemotional text response is best choice of action do we know said player is being punished no we don’t even if he said it in text. Even if the event is in the middle of no were if your gonna have a event between two groups of people and an organized one at that you take step to insure things like this do not happen this could have easily ben avoided if both parties in question had Bouncers to kill off unruly player conduct.

So what you’re saying is if I host a basketball game between some of my friends and some of yours we need to hire a whole bunch of security to defend us from XYZ?

Do you own/rent the space in which you are doing it? If so then there is no need to ‘secure’ it. However with these GvG’s you have no extra ownership over the space you are occupying than anyone else present. If you don’t want people there you kill them or move elsewhere.

You have no right to tell people where they can and can’t go, no matter where you are holding this event.

So if I blow a horn outside your house on public property within the legal hours you won’t mind?

If it is within the law. I can object to it all I want but unless the police deem it worth doing something about, I can do nothing. However this bears no relation to what has happened here.

You see, this, no matter how attached to it you may feel, is a game. The rules are different in this place, and as long as what you do is within the terms and conditions aka laws, no one can stop you. This both means I can’t insist you stop your GvG, and you can’t insist I moves out of the way. However if either side was to have the advantage in the incident that occured, it is his because yours can be pushed into the realm of the T&C/ToS.

The difference with your analogy and the game situation, is that if I don’t like you doing it I can’t come out and shoot you through the face with a shotgun to make you go away, because that would be against the law. However in the game you can go and kill the player who was in the way and voila, problem is solved.

So it’s acceptable for this person to harass a community as long it is within the law?

As long as it’s within the ToS/T&C yes. Not that this would qualify as harassment, he is occupying space, that is all.

Sending him whispers telling him to **** off etc however would come much closer to harassment than what he was doing.

*You don’t qualify it as harassment

Judging by the amount of frowning, people aren’t exactly accepting it, including another Anet employee who has already posted an apology in this thread.

The Anet reply is just simple damage control like what any other mmo developer would do if they got wrapped up in a controversy again i will say they could or could not be punishing him but this wall of text clearly has done what its meant to be done calm the masses or the majority of them who will not complain further on the matter and only wished for a i am sorry by the devs.

The use of my quote in this statement is purely to help this individual understand. To be honest I personally don’t find it acceptable. It happens, but it isn’t acceptable in any way shape or form.

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

So now you’re talking about a community event which directly affects the game play of WvW.
These people were in the middle of nowhere, hurting nobody and yet they deserve to be harassed by some random employee who doesn’t even work in this department of the game?

If its a large community event then they should have had taken steps to prevent player grieving they let a single Dev Derails there whole event instead of just killing him right then and there and i just don’t mean striking him a few times to make him go away red=dead specially if said person was ignoring the players he should not have ben treated any differently even with a tag.

This event was held in the middle of nowhere, a barren wasteland further south than the southern most camp in each of the borderlands. Anyone attending this area goes right out of there way to get there and that’s exactly what this person did. Went out of his way to go and disrupt a community event.

Why should they have to kill people when they can just make their intentions clear of what is going on, and then that person can participate as a spectator?

With the intentions of the person in question, I think it is quite important to note that they are a part of Anet. Otherwise there wouldn’t have been a Dev response about the subject.

A typical unemotional text response is best choice of action do we know said player is being punished no we don’t even if he said it in text. Even if the event is in the middle of no were if your gonna have a event between two groups of people and an organized one at that you take step to insure things like this do not happen this could have easily ben avoided if both parties in question had Bouncers to kill off unruly player conduct.

So what you’re saying is if I host a basketball game between some of my friends and some of yours we need to hire a whole bunch of security to defend us from XYZ?

I am saying if you gonna host a event on a wvw map you better be prepared for the worst in this case its a dev who could have easily ben killed and stomped. The match could have commenced and life would have gone on but sense said group didn’t outright kill him after repeated warning they let themselves get trolled and here we are now arena net responded people are now sucking up. And this thread will and said comment will be buried and dose anything really get solved i don’t even think common sense was present at this get together or went into planning it.

So what you’re saying is this Anet Dev should be allowed to harass this community within our Gw2 community?

He would not have hurrassed if they would have just disposed of him but they didn’t they allowed him to continue by not dealing with him if i were on the opposing team i would have ganked him up and down the wall and not let him wast my time dey the group in question ask the player of the other team to do something at the moment he started talking no they let it happen.

So the players here are forced to dispose of the Anet Dev because his actions are interfering with their community event. So it is okay? You dodged the question.

Your comparing real life to a game were a whole different set of rules apply let see can you sit outside a fort and beat drums yes do i have have to like what your doing no can i come out and kill your toon in game for disturbing my peace with your drum emote yes i can is it against game law no its not. the things is you cant use real life instances in game if they didn’t like him interfering with their GvG they should have just killed him it was well within their power and in their rights to do so.

This game is real life for him, it’s his job. He went out of his way turn on his Anet tag and disrupt and ruin the fun for others for no reason.
To be honest it wouldn’t matter if it was in a virtual world or not, the emotions and actions of individuals are all real. It’s talking like that which sets back technological advances because of people who can’t understand that humans ethics still apply.

Neandramathal.9536:

Kai.9182:

Neandramathal.9536:

Kai.9182:

Neandramathal.9536:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

So now you’re talking about a community event which directly affects the game play of WvW.
These people were in the middle of nowhere, hurting nobody and yet they deserve to be harassed by some random employee who doesn’t even work in this department of the game?

If its a large community event then they should have had taken steps to prevent player grieving they let a single Dev Derails there whole event instead of just killing him right then and there and i just don’t mean striking him a few times to make him go away red=dead specially if said person was ignoring the players he should not have ben treated any differently even with a tag.

This event was held in the middle of nowhere, a barren wasteland further south than the southern most camp in each of the borderlands. Anyone attending this area goes right out of there way to get there and that’s exactly what this person did. Went out of his way to go and disrupt a community event.

Why should they have to kill people when they can just make their intentions clear of what is going on, and then that person can participate as a spectator?

With the intentions of the person in question, I think it is quite important to note that they are a part of Anet. Otherwise there wouldn’t have been a Dev response about the subject.

A typical unemotional text response is best choice of action do we know said player is being punished no we don’t even if he said it in text. Even if the event is in the middle of no were if your gonna have a event between two groups of people and an organized one at that you take step to insure things like this do not happen this could have easily ben avoided if both parties in question had Bouncers to kill off unruly player conduct.

So what you’re saying is if I host a basketball game between some of my friends and some of yours we need to hire a whole bunch of security to defend us from XYZ?

Do you own/rent the space in which you are doing it? If so then there is no need to ‘secure’ it. However with these GvG’s you have no extra ownership over the space you are occupying than anyone else present. If you don’t want people there you kill them or move elsewhere.

You have no right to tell people where they can and can’t go, no matter where you are holding this event.

So if I blow a horn outside your house on public property within the legal hours you won’t mind?

If it is within the law. I can object to it all I want but unless the police deem it worth doing something about, I can do nothing. However this bears no relation to what has happened here.

You see, this, no matter how attached to it you may feel, is a game. The rules are different in this place, and as long as what you do is within the terms and conditions aka laws, no one can stop you. This both means I can’t insist you stop your GvG, and you can’t insist I moves out of the way. However if either side was to have the advantage in the incident that occured, it is his because yours can be pushed into the realm of the T&C/ToS.

The difference with your analogy and the game situation, is that if I don’t like you doing it I can’t come out and shoot you through the face with a shotgun to make you go away, because that would be against the law. However in the game you can go and kill the player who was in the way and voila, problem is solved.

So it’s acceptable for this person to harass a community as long it is within the law?

As long as it’s within the ToS/T&C yes. Not that this would qualify as harassment, he is occupying space, that is all.

Sending him whispers telling him to **** off etc however would come much closer to harassment than what he was doing.

*You don’t qualify it as harassment

Judging by the amount of frowning, people aren’t exactly accepting it, including another Anet employee who has already posted an apology in this thread.

Neandramathal.9536:

Kai.9182:

Neandramathal.9536:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

So now you’re talking about a community event which directly affects the game play of WvW.
These people were in the middle of nowhere, hurting nobody and yet they deserve to be harassed by some random employee who doesn’t even work in this department of the game?

If its a large community event then they should have had taken steps to prevent player grieving they let a single Dev Derails there whole event instead of just killing him right then and there and i just don’t mean striking him a few times to make him go away red=dead specially if said person was ignoring the players he should not have ben treated any differently even with a tag.

This event was held in the middle of nowhere, a barren wasteland further south than the southern most camp in each of the borderlands. Anyone attending this area goes right out of there way to get there and that’s exactly what this person did. Went out of his way to go and disrupt a community event.

Why should they have to kill people when they can just make their intentions clear of what is going on, and then that person can participate as a spectator?

With the intentions of the person in question, I think it is quite important to note that they are a part of Anet. Otherwise there wouldn’t have been a Dev response about the subject.

A typical unemotional text response is best choice of action do we know said player is being punished no we don’t even if he said it in text. Even if the event is in the middle of no were if your gonna have a event between two groups of people and an organized one at that you take step to insure things like this do not happen this could have easily ben avoided if both parties in question had Bouncers to kill off unruly player conduct.

So what you’re saying is if I host a basketball game between some of my friends and some of yours we need to hire a whole bunch of security to defend us from XYZ?

Do you own/rent the space in which you are doing it? If so then there is no need to ‘secure’ it. However with these GvG’s you have no extra ownership over the space you are occupying than anyone else present. If you don’t want people there you kill them or move elsewhere.

You have no right to tell people where they can and can’t go, no matter where you are holding this event.

So if I blow a horn outside your house on public property within the legal hours you won’t mind?

If it is within the law. I can object to it all I want but unless the police deem it worth doing something about, I can do nothing. However this bears no relation to what has happened here.

You see, this, no matter how attached to it you may feel, is a game. The rules are different in this place, and as long as what you do is within the terms and conditions aka laws, no one can stop you. This both means I can’t insist you stop your GvG, and you can’t insist I moves out of the way. However if either side was to have the advantage in the incident that occured, it is his because yours can be pushed into the realm of the T&C/ToS.

The difference with your analogy and the game situation, is that if I don’t like you doing it I can’t come out and shoot you through the face with a shotgun to make you go away, because that would be against the law. However in the game you can go and kill the player who was in the way and voila, problem is solved.

So it’s acceptable for this person to harass a community as long it is within the law?

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

So now you’re talking about a community event which directly affects the game play of WvW.
These people were in the middle of nowhere, hurting nobody and yet they deserve to be harassed by some random employee who doesn’t even work in this department of the game?

If its a large community event then they should have had taken steps to prevent player grieving they let a single Dev Derails there whole event instead of just killing him right then and there and i just don’t mean striking him a few times to make him go away red=dead specially if said person was ignoring the players he should not have ben treated any differently even with a tag.

This event was held in the middle of nowhere, a barren wasteland further south than the southern most camp in each of the borderlands. Anyone attending this area goes right out of there way to get there and that’s exactly what this person did. Went out of his way to go and disrupt a community event.

Why should they have to kill people when they can just make their intentions clear of what is going on, and then that person can participate as a spectator?

With the intentions of the person in question, I think it is quite important to note that they are a part of Anet. Otherwise there wouldn’t have been a Dev response about the subject.

A typical unemotional text response is best choice of action do we know said player is being punished no we don’t even if he said it in text. Even if the event is in the middle of no were if your gonna have a event between two groups of people and an organized one at that you take step to insure things like this do not happen this could have easily ben avoided if both parties in question had Bouncers to kill off unruly player conduct.

So what you’re saying is if I host a basketball game between some of my friends and some of yours we need to hire a whole bunch of security to defend us from XYZ?

I am saying if you gonna host a event on a wvw map you better be prepared for the worst in this case its a dev who could have easily ben killed and stomped. The match could have commenced and life would have gone on but sense said group didn’t outright kill him after repeated warning they let themselves get trolled and here we are now arena net responded people are now sucking up. And this thread will and said comment will be buried and dose anything really get solved i don’t even think common sense was present at this get together or went into planning it.

So what you’re saying is this Anet Dev should be allowed to harass this community within our Gw2 community?

He would not have hurrassed if they would have just disposed of him but they didn’t they allowed him to continue by not dealing with him if i were on the opposing team i would have ganked him up and down the wall and not let him wast my time dey the group in question ask the player of the other team to do something at the moment he started talking no they let it happen.

So the players here are forced to dispose of the Anet Dev because his actions are interfering with their community event. So it is okay? You dodged the question.

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

So now you’re talking about a community event which directly affects the game play of WvW.
These people were in the middle of nowhere, hurting nobody and yet they deserve to be harassed by some random employee who doesn’t even work in this department of the game?

If its a large community event then they should have had taken steps to prevent player grieving they let a single Dev Derails there whole event instead of just killing him right then and there and i just don’t mean striking him a few times to make him go away red=dead specially if said person was ignoring the players he should not have ben treated any differently even with a tag.

This event was held in the middle of nowhere, a barren wasteland further south than the southern most camp in each of the borderlands. Anyone attending this area goes right out of there way to get there and that’s exactly what this person did. Went out of his way to go and disrupt a community event.

Why should they have to kill people when they can just make their intentions clear of what is going on, and then that person can participate as a spectator?

With the intentions of the person in question, I think it is quite important to note that they are a part of Anet. Otherwise there wouldn’t have been a Dev response about the subject.

A typical unemotional text response is best choice of action do we know said player is being punished no we don’t even if he said it in text. Even if the event is in the middle of no were if your gonna have a event between two groups of people and an organized one at that you take step to insure things like this do not happen this could have easily ben avoided if both parties in question had Bouncers to kill off unruly player conduct.

So what you’re saying is if I host a basketball game between some of my friends and some of yours we need to hire a whole bunch of security to defend us from XYZ?

I am saying if you gonna host a event on a wvw map you better be prepared for the worst in this case its a dev who could have easily ben killed and stomped. The match could have commenced and life would have gone on but sense said group didn’t outright kill him after repeated warning they let themselves get trolled and here we are now arena net responded people are now sucking up. And this thread will and said comment will be buried and dose anything really get solved i don’t even think common sense was present at this get together or went into planning it.

So what you’re saying is this Anet Dev should be allowed to harass this community within our Gw2 community?

Neandramathal.9536:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

So now you’re talking about a community event which directly affects the game play of WvW.
These people were in the middle of nowhere, hurting nobody and yet they deserve to be harassed by some random employee who doesn’t even work in this department of the game?

If its a large community event then they should have had taken steps to prevent player grieving they let a single Dev Derails there whole event instead of just killing him right then and there and i just don’t mean striking him a few times to make him go away red=dead specially if said person was ignoring the players he should not have ben treated any differently even with a tag.

This event was held in the middle of nowhere, a barren wasteland further south than the southern most camp in each of the borderlands. Anyone attending this area goes right out of there way to get there and that’s exactly what this person did. Went out of his way to go and disrupt a community event.

Why should they have to kill people when they can just make their intentions clear of what is going on, and then that person can participate as a spectator?

With the intentions of the person in question, I think it is quite important to note that they are a part of Anet. Otherwise there wouldn’t have been a Dev response about the subject.

A typical unemotional text response is best choice of action do we know said player is being punished no we don’t even if he said it in text. Even if the event is in the middle of no were if your gonna have a event between two groups of people and an organized one at that you take step to insure things like this do not happen this could have easily ben avoided if both parties in question had Bouncers to kill off unruly player conduct.

So what you’re saying is if I host a basketball game between some of my friends and some of yours we need to hire a whole bunch of security to defend us from XYZ?

Do you own/rent the space in which you are doing it? If so then there is no need to ‘secure’ it. However with these GvG’s you have no extra ownership over the space you are occupying than anyone else present. If you don’t want people there you kill them or move elsewhere.

You have no right to tell people where they can and can’t go, no matter where you are holding this event.

So if I blow a horn outside your house on public property within the legal hours you won’t mind?

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

So now you’re talking about a community event which directly affects the game play of WvW.
These people were in the middle of nowhere, hurting nobody and yet they deserve to be harassed by some random employee who doesn’t even work in this department of the game?

If its a large community event then they should have had taken steps to prevent player grieving they let a single Dev Derails there whole event instead of just killing him right then and there and i just don’t mean striking him a few times to make him go away red=dead specially if said person was ignoring the players he should not have ben treated any differently even with a tag.

This event was held in the middle of nowhere, a barren wasteland further south than the southern most camp in each of the borderlands. Anyone attending this area goes right out of there way to get there and that’s exactly what this person did. Went out of his way to go and disrupt a community event.

Why should they have to kill people when they can just make their intentions clear of what is going on, and then that person can participate as a spectator?

With the intentions of the person in question, I think it is quite important to note that they are a part of Anet. Otherwise there wouldn’t have been a Dev response about the subject.

A typical unemotional text response is best choice of action do we know said player is being punished no we don’t even if he said it in text. Even if the event is in the middle of no were if your gonna have a event between two groups of people and an organized one at that you take step to insure things like this do not happen this could have easily ben avoided if both parties in question had Bouncers to kill off unruly player conduct.

So what you’re saying is if I host a basketball game between some of my friends and some of yours we need to hire a whole bunch of security to defend us from XYZ?

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

Kai.9182:

The real issue is an Anet employee discriminating against a community within Guild Wars 2 for absolutely no reason.

a community which is griefing the players who want to play the mode as intended. Anet already mentioned that they are working on ways GvG can be implemented. People who ignore this are just stupid.

So the players further south than south camp are giving you a hard time?

People who blindly accept corporate promises are worse than that.

Neandramathal.9536:

Kai.9182:

These people were in the middle of nowhere, hurting nobody and yet they deserve to be harassed by some random employee who doesn’t even work in this department of the game?

Yes, they weren’t hurting anybody. I agree.

However that still doesn’t mean you can complain about someone else being there, that’s the point I’m making.

They aren’t complaining about someone being there. They can explain to people what is going on and they did. This Anet employee made the choice to hassle these players.

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

So now you’re talking about a community event which directly affects the game play of WvW.
These people were in the middle of nowhere, hurting nobody and yet they deserve to be harassed by some random employee who doesn’t even work in this department of the game?

If its a large community event then they should have had taken steps to prevent player grieving they let a single Dev Derails there whole event instead of just killing him right then and there and i just don’t mean striking him a few times to make him go away red=dead specially if said person was ignoring the players he should not have ben treated any differently even with a tag.

This event was held in the middle of nowhere, a barren wasteland further south than the southern most camp in each of the borderlands. Anyone attending this area goes right out of there way to get there and that’s exactly what this person did. Went out of his way to go and disrupt a community event.

Why should they have to kill people when they can just make their intentions clear of what is going on, and then that person can participate as a spectator?

With the intentions of the person in question, I think it is quite important to note that they are a part of Anet. Otherwise there wouldn’t have been a Dev response about the subject.

Tricare.2946:

The real issue here is the blatant abuse of the little power the dev had. He turned his tag on to control the actions of players. He wasn’t getting his way without it so he turned it on in hopes they would listen.

This has nothing to do with GvG. Even though anet hates it.

The real issue is an Anet employee discriminating against a community within Guild Wars 2 for absolutely no reason.

Neandramathal.9536:

Kai.9182:

Neandramathal.9536:

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Hi All,

I wanted to comment about the incident that happened recently in-game, surrounding some negative community interaction from a member of the ArenaNet staff.

Simply put a big mistake was made by one of our employees, for which he is both very upset and sorry. He allowed his personal feelings to affect his interactions in-game whilst representing ArenaNet, and this is absolutely unacceptable.

Like all players, we are human, and all have our opinions on the game. However these opinions should never disrupt other player’s enjoyment of the things they love. On top of this we have worked very hard to create a community that is respectful to one another, and for this behavior to have occurred while a developer is representing ArenaNet is doubly saddening.

We all cherish the opportunity to play with the community, and we absolutely rely on you all for in game feedback, and personally I hope that this incident does not hamper what has so far been an amazing relationship and opportunity for us all.

I would therefore like to sincerely apologize for this behavior on behalf of our staff member. We are taking steps to address the incident and for his part, he is very sorry for behaving in the manner in which he did.

Regarding Guild game play, please understand it is extremely important to us, and an area we are paying a great deal of attention to, so please do be patient with the developers who work tirelessly on making WvW the very best it can be, they have a great deal of respect for you all, and value your collaboration in pushing this pioneering mode forward. Also please note this member of staff is not on the WvW team.

Finally, World vs. World is a free-for-all battle. Our expectation of staff is that they should be playing, and enjoying the game like everyone else, and not being disruptive or disrespectful to others.

And in this spirit I hope we can move forward, and continue, what has up to this point, been a great community/developer relationship. One that I know our team massively values and loves.

Thank you all for your time and i hope you have a lovely weekend,

ChrisW

I’m sure that the majority of other people in this thread will NOT share my sentiment, but meh.

I’m actually more disappointed that you have apologised than for the initial action itself – whilst “Violating my game mode” was a bit of a silly statement, the staff member had not actually done anything wrong at all. He was simply in a place where there were several other players gathered – that isn’t trolling or griefing in any way at all. He may not have been exactly where they wanted, but then when someone is manning a piece of siege that I want to use the same could be said.

The players were rude and aggressive simply because of his location, so they were in the wrong not him. This could/does happen to any number of players frequently.

Is it the best idea for a member of staff to get involved? probably not. But it’s good that if there is a firm decision it should be shown. The fact that people bought the game despite the game mode being well advertised and written about (PPT and all other stuff included) yet still a year later complain that that’s how it is – if they don’t like that sort of thing why buy it to begin with – this whole thing is idiotic.

Again, somewhat disappointed that there was felt a need to apologise, although I can understand why from a business p.o.v.

The fact of the matter was that this employee was intentionally disturbing a community event. Whether it had been in a PvE zone or in sPvP wouldn’t have mattered. The communities intentions were more than clear, and this person went out of their way to interrupt them.

Red = Dead, and you can stand wherever you want.

If the community decides it wants an event of 50 people roleplay walking across a WvW zone in town clothes they can do that too, and if someone else decides they want to come with 80 and slaughter it they can also do that – and no one can complain it was “interrupting an event”.

Maybe I’ll organise a community even for me and 4 friends to cap everything on every map, and then object to every player who get’s in the way?

So now you’re talking about a community event which directly affects the game play of WvW.
These people were in the middle of nowhere, hurting nobody and yet they deserve to be harassed by some random employee who doesn’t even work in this department of the game?

Magnetron.5823:

Kai.9182:

Magnetron.5823:

Ohhh some guys/girls here are so.. PFF! Chris apologized for that behavior of the Dev! Now he need to answer himself for a tiny incident that is nothing compared to other Devs in other mmorpgs.

Are you guys happy now?

Chris apologized, now give them a break.

A MOD should close this thread because I think everything has been said, and now only promotes grieving.

Thank you Chris, for the fast response.

Why should this thread close? Does it really need to be out of the public spotlight already? People should still be able to post their opinions about what happened for both sides.
However the Dev response should be moved to the front page like a Q&A thread.

Because this thread is about a person, and by the TOS it is forbidden to target a person even when its a dev.

Yeah screw blurring out the name or simply removing the links to the pictures, those would be horrible ideas. Instead you lift the rug I’ll get the broom.

Magnetron.5823:

Ohhh some guys/girls here are so.. PFF! Chris apologized for that behavior of the Dev! Now he need to answer himself for a tiny incident that is nothing compared to other Devs in other mmorpgs.

Are you guys happy now?

Chris apologized, now give them a break.

A MOD should close this thread because I think everything has been said, and now only promotes grieving.

Thank you Chris, for the fast response.

Why should this thread close? Does it really need to be out of the public spotlight already? People should still be able to post their opinions about what happened for both sides.
However the Dev response should be moved to the front page like a Q&A thread.

Neandramathal.9536:

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Hi All,

I wanted to comment about the incident that happened recently in-game, surrounding some negative community interaction from a member of the ArenaNet staff.

Simply put a big mistake was made by one of our employees, for which he is both very upset and sorry. He allowed his personal feelings to affect his interactions in-game whilst representing ArenaNet, and this is absolutely unacceptable.

Like all players, we are human, and all have our opinions on the game. However these opinions should never disrupt other player’s enjoyment of the things they love. On top of this we have worked very hard to create a community that is respectful to one another, and for this behavior to have occurred while a developer is representing ArenaNet is doubly saddening.

We all cherish the opportunity to play with the community, and we absolutely rely on you all for in game feedback, and personally I hope that this incident does not hamper what has so far been an amazing relationship and opportunity for us all.

I would therefore like to sincerely apologize for this behavior on behalf of our staff member. We are taking steps to address the incident and for his part, he is very sorry for behaving in the manner in which he did.

Regarding Guild game play, please understand it is extremely important to us, and an area we are paying a great deal of attention to, so please do be patient with the developers who work tirelessly on making WvW the very best it can be, they have a great deal of respect for you all, and value your collaboration in pushing this pioneering mode forward. Also please note this member of staff is not on the WvW team.

Finally, World vs. World is a free-for-all battle. Our expectation of staff is that they should be playing, and enjoying the game like everyone else, and not being disruptive or disrespectful to others.

And in this spirit I hope we can move forward, and continue, what has up to this point, been a great community/developer relationship. One that I know our team massively values and loves.

Thank you all for your time and i hope you have a lovely weekend,

ChrisW

I’m sure that the majority of other people in this thread will NOT share my sentiment, but meh.

I’m actually more disappointed that you have apologised than for the initial action itself – whilst “Violating my game mode” was a bit of a silly statement, the staff member had not actually done anything wrong at all. He was simply in a place where there were several other players gathered – that isn’t trolling or griefing in any way at all. He may not have been exactly where they wanted, but then when someone is manning a piece of siege that I want to use the same could be said.

The players were rude and aggressive simply because of his location, so they were in the wrong not him. This could/does happen to any number of players frequently.

Is it the best idea for a member of staff to get involved? probably not. But it’s good that if there is a firm decision it should be shown. The fact that people bought the game despite the game mode being well advertised and written about (PPT and all other stuff included) yet still a year later complain that that’s how it is – if they don’t like that sort of thing why buy it to begin with – this whole thing is idiotic.

Again, somewhat disappointed that there was felt a need to apologise, although I can understand why from a business p.o.v.

The fact of the matter was that this employee was intentionally disturbing a community event. Whether it had been in a PvE zone or in sPvP wouldn’t have mattered. The communities intentions were more than clear, and this person went out of their way to interrupt them.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Hi All,

I wanted to comment about the incident that happened recently in-game, surrounding some negative community interaction from a member of the ArenaNet staff.

Simply put a big mistake was made by one of our employees, for which he is both very upset and sorry. He allowed his personal feelings to affect his interactions in-game whilst representing ArenaNet, and this is absolutely unacceptable.

Like all players, we are human, and all have our opinions on the game. However these opinions should never disrupt other player’s enjoyment of the things they love. On top of this we have worked very hard to create a community that is respectful to one another, and for this behavior to have occurred while a developer is representing ArenaNet is doubly saddening.

We all cherish the opportunity to play with the community, and we absolutely rely on you all for in game feedback, and personally I hope that this incident does not hamper what has so far been an amazing relationship and opportunity for us all.

I would therefore like to sincerely apologize for this behavior on behalf of our staff member. We are taking steps to address the incident and for his part, he is very sorry for behaving in the manner in which he did.

Regarding Guild game play, please understand it is extremely important to us, and an area we are paying a great deal of attention to, so please do be patient with the developers who work tirelessly on making WvW the very best it can be, they have a great deal of respect for you all, and value your collaboration in pushing this pioneering mode forward. Also please note this member of staff is not on the WvW team.

Finally, World vs. World is a free-for-all battle. Our expectation of staff is that they should be playing, and enjoying the game like everyone else, and not being disruptive or disrespectful to others.

And in this spirit I hope we can move forward, and continue, what has up to this point, been a great community/developer relationship. One that I know our team massively values and loves.

Thank you all for your time and i hope you have a lovely weekend,

ChrisW

Though not exactly happy with the response I’m glad that this area of the Guild Wars 2 community has been acknowledged and that community that is a “minority” gets some sort of apology.
No need to throw away a perfectly good community who participate in this (insert current opinion) WvW world.

“Also please note this member of staff is not on the WvW team.”
This however is rather confusing and amusing. Was his budget taken from him or something?

Edit: Still a long way to go by the way in terms of WvW reaching full potential.

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Fungalfoot.7213:

Kai.9182:

He was just standing there.

In the middle of a community organized battlefield where he was disturbing the peace. His reason for doing this?

If he had some point to prove by interrupting this community event I think everyone in this thread would be more than happy to hear about it. If he was “trolling” to be honest judging by the way their moderators patrol these forums we have some serious double standards that need explanation.

His point seems rather obvious to me. You have no entitlement to the lands nor do you have the right to expel other players from participating. The objective of WvWvW is to slaughter your enemies. Not to bond with them over organized melees.

I don’t see how the GvG community has “claimed” this piece of land. It’s an area in a home borderlands map which currently has no use at all so why should anyone care outside of their community? Of course other players are welcome into that area, other communities regularly host dueling tournaments to test out their skills against like minded individuals.
Saying why he can’t be there is like saying why does he have to be there? If there is no objective for him there, why doesn’t he just move along and leave that small community alone? His intentions are more than obvious, to not be able to see that is pitiful at best/

Even if I consider that this employee did something wrong, the people using this as a brush to paint the entire company is bloody ridiculous. One guy out of what I believe is currently 400+ employees? I guess its true what they say, show me an MMO, I will show you a segment of people kittening.

Failure to interview competent employees. Somewhere along the line someone messed up, and here we are.

In a situation like this, if the gentleman in question is fired, Anet wont give an ‘official’ posting about it like some of these people are demanding, because they can’t. Unless the person in question is some high up in the company, firing’s or letting go are a private matter, they don’t go and broadcast it to the world. I’d be highly surprised if they allow this guy to be scapegoated for all the hatred you people feel

He won’t be fired, but judging by the post two above your own he is being dealt with appropriately. Hopefully in a manner more respectable than he had for this situation for all parties involved.

vaughany.4256:

This really is unacceptable behavior from the ANET dev but in a way i can understand where he is coming from he seems very passionate about his idea of what wvw should be like and GvG is not part of this idea. So there really is only one way to make everyone happy and that is to make a GvG mode this the only smart way of solving this conflict for anet and this will make alot more people happy, there will be less rage on the forums plus i’m sure if people was happy playing the game they might spend some money on gems and such.

The original purpose of the knife may have been to slice and dice food, yet today it’s used for a lot more than just that, along with many other well known weapons.
They don’t give WvW players anything to spend gems on. WvW would have been able to sell as a standalone game if it didn’t come with it’s bugs, glitches and appropriate support.

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Fungalfoot.7213:

Kai.9182:

He was just standing there.

In the middle of a community organized battlefield where he was disturbing the peace. His reason for doing this?

If he had some point to prove by interrupting this community event I think everyone in this thread would be more than happy to hear about it. If he was “trolling” to be honest judging by the way their moderators patrol these forums we have some serious double standards that need explanation.

His point seems rather obvious to me. You have no entitlement to the lands nor do you have the right to expel other players from participating. The objective of WvWvW is to slaughter your enemies. Not to bond with them over organized melees.

I don’t see how the GvG community has “claimed” this piece of land. It’s an area in a home borderlands map which currently has no use at all so why should anyone care outside of their community? Of course other players are welcome into that area, other communities regularly host dueling tournaments to test out their skills against like minded individuals.
Saying why he can’t be there is like saying why does he have to be there? If there is no objective for him there, why doesn’t he just move along and leave that small community alone? His intentions are more than obvious, to not be able to see that is pitiful at best/

Even if I consider that this employee did something wrong, the people using this as a brush to paint the entire company is bloody ridiculous. One guy out of what I believe is currently 400+ employees? I guess its true what they say, show me an MMO, I will show you a segment of people kittening.

Failure to interview competent employees. Somewhere along the line someone messed up, and here we are.

Chopps.5047:

Kai.9182:

Chopps.5047:

Kai.9182:

To be honest this is disgusting that an employee would go to such an effort to attempt to ruin what is obviously a GvG.
Whether or not GvG belongs in WvW is irrelevant, this is blatant aggression towards a certain part of the Guild Wars 2 community and should not be tolerated.

What did the dev do to ruin it? I saw nothing bad in those pictures, honestly. What did he do to impede your progress?

You’re joking right? You seriously have no idea what is happening in this situation? He is clearly disturbing the peace at an organized event from players in a certain community who were expecting an even fight of X vs X (e.g. 15 vs 15 or 20 vs 20[even numbered fight]). To be honest nothing else in this situation matters other than the fact this employee WENT OUT OF HIS WAY just to disturb this niche part of the population.

It’s more than obvious what his intentions are, this behavior is the type of disgusting filth that moderators on this overly censored forum would delete in seconds.
(Any double standards remark will not be considered as an intelligent response.)

So the violation was “disturbing the peace”? Indeed. :/

So if I randomly started blowing a horn outside your house all day everyday within the local noise hour restrictions you would be okay with that?

Magnetron.5823:

alcopaul.2156:

Magnetron.5823:

alcopaul.2156:

Magnetron.5823:

The game mode was made for open siege war and not remote GvG, if the dev wants to stand there he has the right to stand there, he did nothing wrong… He said, start the fight go go.

You guys knew it was open world warfare with siege when you bought the game, when you buy a new couch in the store and you are going to sleep on it but its not sleeping very comfortable you are not going back to the store and complain about that right? lol

Say if I bought a billiard stick and encountered muggers, im not allowed to break my billiard stick into 2 and use them as selfdefense arnis weapons because the billiard stick is sold as billiard stick?

do i violate the “billiard stick mode”?

Can you translate it to WvW words? I can do it with mine.. but I don’t understand yours.

are you prohibited to use something in a way that’s not its intended use? like using the billiard stick as weapons.

or say to play checkers using a chessboard?

Coz in WvW speak, they are prohibiting a gamemode (GvG) to be played within a game mode (WvWvW).

Nobody is prohibiting anything, but you guys are prohibiting the dev to stand where he wants, why cant you guys see that. Its fine to play a different mode in WvW but WvW is on nr 1. You just have to deal with it that people play how they want to play.

If a WvWér shoots with an arrow cart on you, and you destroy the arrow cart.. Does the enemy whisper you with : " Can you stop plz? I was shooting this"

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So it’s like hiring five massive bodyguards and setting up a poker table in the middle of the local basketball court all day everyday? Flawless logic.

Fungalfoot.7213:

Kai.9182:

He was just standing there.

In the middle of a community organized battlefield where he was disturbing the peace. His reason for doing this?

If he had some point to prove by interrupting this community event I think everyone in this thread would be more than happy to hear about it. If he was “trolling” to be honest judging by the way their moderators patrol these forums we have some serious double standards that need explanation.

His point seems rather obvious to me. You have no entitlement to the lands nor do you have the right to expel other players from participating. The objective of WvWvW is to slaughter your enemies. Not to bond with them over organized melees.

I don’t see how the GvG community has “claimed” this piece of land. It’s an area in a home borderlands map which currently has no use at all so why should anyone care outside of their community? Of course other players are welcome into that area, other communities regularly host dueling tournaments to test out their skills against like minded individuals.
Saying why he can’t be there is like saying why does he have to be there? If there is no objective for him there, why doesn’t he just move along and leave that small community alone? His intentions are more than obvious, to not be able to see that is pitiful at best/

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Chopps.5047:

Kai.9182:

To be honest this is disgusting that an employee would go to such an effort to attempt to ruin what is obviously a GvG.
Whether or not GvG belongs in WvW is irrelevant, this is blatant aggression towards a certain part of the Guild Wars 2 community and should not be tolerated.

What did the dev do to ruin it? I saw nothing bad in those pictures, honestly. What did he do to impede your progress?

You’re joking right? You seriously have no idea what is happening in this situation? He is clearly disturbing the peace at an organized event from players in a certain community who were expecting an even fight of X vs X (e.g. 15 vs 15 or 20 vs 20[even numbered fight]). To be honest nothing else in this situation matters other than the fact this employee WENT OUT OF HIS WAY just to disturb this niche part of the population.

It’s more than obvious what his intentions are, this behavior is the type of disgusting filth that moderators on this overly censored forum would delete in seconds.
(Any double standards remark will not be considered as an intelligent response.)

If they didn’t like the what hes was doing why did they just stand there and take it why not just call the other team to smite him down and be done with it. I think the GvGers are looking for a witch to burn. Hell if you didn’t wanna get trolled on you shuda just moved out the way. I mean come on you cant force a player to bend to your will even if the dev was wrong said group should have moved to another location. He was right you are violating his game mode trying to make him do what he dose not wanna do.

So you’re saying this community event needs further preparation in the form of removing one of the companies employees character because they are intentionally in the way?
Why should 30+ people move to another location for one? Is he special for some reason?
I’ll say it again, WHY? It didn’t have to be a violation, just like I can go out on the street and swear at as many people as I want without being put in prison. Does that make it okay?
Again with the anet trolling and the double standards of their forum moderators.
It’s spelt *does
I look forward to your response.

Magnetron.5823:

UltraHiDef.4809:

Magnetron.5823:

UltraHiDef.4809:

Magnetron.5823:

The game mode was made for open siege war and not remote GvG, if the dev wants to stand there he has the right to stand there, he did nothing wrong… He said, start the fight go go.

You guys knew it was open world warfare with siege when you bought the game, when you buy a new couch in the store and you are going to sleep on it but its not sleeping very comfortable you are not going back to the store and complain about that right? lol

Yes, keep shooting down your own argument, it’s your couch you get to even hump it. Who cares?

If you guys want GvG on it, go ahead do what you can, but when the owner created the couch with bloodlust buffs and when ‘another’ owner of that couch wants to stand in the middle of your so called ‘GvG love seat’ he has also the rights to do that.

The game is for everyone, you guys are not sitting on it alone

Sabotaging is okay now? Come on, you’re not even trying now.

huh? The dev did nothing, he was just standing there.. you guys were not even fighting yet! LOL

He was just standing there.

In the middle of a community organized battlefield where he was disturbing the peace. His reason for doing this?

If he had some point to prove by interrupting this community event I think everyone in this thread would be more than happy to hear about it. If he was “trolling” to be honest judging by the way their moderators patrol these forums we have some serious double standards that need explanation.

Chopps.5047:

Kai.9182:

To be honest this is disgusting that an employee would go to such an effort to attempt to ruin what is obviously a GvG.
Whether or not GvG belongs in WvW is irrelevant, this is blatant aggression towards a certain part of the Guild Wars 2 community and should not be tolerated.

What did the dev do to ruin it? I saw nothing bad in those pictures, honestly. What did he do to impede your progress?

You’re joking right? You seriously have no idea what is happening in this situation? He is clearly disturbing the peace at an organized event from players in a certain community who were expecting an even fight of X vs X (e.g. 15 vs 15 or 20 vs 20[even numbered fight]). To be honest nothing else in this situation matters other than the fact this employee WENT OUT OF HIS WAY just to disturb this niche part of the population.

It’s more than obvious what his intentions are, this behavior is the type of disgusting filth that moderators on this overly censored forum would delete in seconds.
(Any double standards remark will not be considered as an intelligent response.)

To be honest this is disgusting that an employee would go to such an effort to attempt to ruin what is obviously a GvG.
Whether or not GvG belongs in WvW is irrelevant, this is blatant aggression towards a certain part of the Guild Wars 2 community and should not be tolerated.

So when you’re trying to get some players into a queued borderland all you can expect is noobs? Sounds terrible. Also quite abusable.

Good vid for this thread

Fiddle Irk.9710:

Looking over the forums a bit recently, and I see allot of complaints and negativity directed towards Anet and its staff. While I do agree with many of the complaints and “suggestions” I also realize that it is impossible to be perfect and please everyone, and I hope everyone else will stop for a moment to consider these simple facts as well. The Dev’s are not gods, they are people just like us. They can make mistakes, they can make an error in choices. BUT I think they are doing a much better job at remedying these thing than other MMORPG companies. Take into account: we don’t have a monthly subscription fee, we don’t have to “pay-to-win” (as in, everything you really need can be earned with game play, money spent is mostly for cosmetics). Ever play Vindictus?, a game by Nexon? The worst company ever, whose sole purpose was milking money from dumb American teens( Korean based). Their servers would crash for hours or days at a time. Half the time, when it was up, you could not enter any instance and ALL of the game was instance based. Sure, you could NOT purchase any “NX”, (that companies equivalent to gems), and be the weakest, unwanted player on the party…….but who wants to be “that guy”?

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve had my share of run ins with Anet. My account was banned for a couple of weeks AFTER I reported someone hacking it and using it to bot with. Yet after more info, and backup from friends, they re-instated it. I’ve had posts deleted and been warned for “insulting specific players” (people hacking) but I know they are just keeping forums clean. Heck, they even changed my name to the current ’cuz I was “irking” them. ( to irk; is to highly irritate someone)

All that being said. Thank You Anet staff! You put out an awesome game! Thank you for your hard work to please us playing. Thank you for the many hours you spend developing the graphics for the great number of maps available to us. Thank you for your best efforts to encourage team cooperation!
I’m not trying to get on their good~side here with this post. I’m sure I’ll be a pain to them in the future as well. But I will say this, cut them some slack! GW2 IS the best MMORPG there is. And if you really don’t like it, well then go back to where you were before!

gebrechen.5643:

You would think Brutus was a member of TW and lost that GvG himself.

!http://i.imgur.com/ER2Uuek.gif!

I’d reroll charr, but gg all my “awesome” ascended items, which took ages to get being in wvw most the time. If they made a race change thing that would be epic.

gebrechen.5643:

Where am I? I remember going to bed and.. now I’m here. What’s wrong with you and where is my rum?!

Why is the rum gone?

Could be cool but encourages range aoe classes like no tomorrow.

Should give all people on outmanned borderlands ascended gear or free gear to test things idk.

How the hell does this even get moved to this sub forum? Haha

They are happy to brag about being the fastest selling mmo of all time, so I don’t see why current playerbase should fork out more cash.

You were right about it being a stupid video.

Frostmourne server

Optimistic, think it will take another game to bring a long a similar game mode to get “their numbers”

All of the ideas listed are horrible

I’ll give you gold to go to any server other than those 3. None of those teams deserve someone so shallow.

People are just going to zerg these bosses down anyway, won’t be much to see tbh man.

Yes ONLY IF you have access to as much customisation of stats that is currently available. (gear with no stats just runes and 1 trinket isn’t exciting gear wise) Including food buffs and wrench buff of choice.

Otherise bleh.

Mizu.9387:

I would suggest EU to begin with. Not that the NA servers are bad or anything, but the meta is a few months behind when it comes to the pvp part in WvW.

Late night Colorado and you’re suggesting EU? wat. “Skilled EU” teams don’t matter if he never plays with them.

The pvx guilds it sounds like you are looking for are in tier 2 or higher. BG, JQ, SOR being tier 1 servers with an abundance of VERY large scale wvw pvx teams and TC, FA, DB being Tier 2 servers with good size pvx guilds.
Tiers much lower than that are pvx guilds with majority (90%) of their time spent in pve. (Unless you are looking for small elite teams)

Would highly suggest you post this in the Looking for guild section, and have a look in both the guild recruitment forum section and World recruitment section to find a guild that suits your expectations.

Looks like they will be selling a bunch of transmute crystals as well. Not surprised tbh. Maybe we can get a sale on them if we’re lucky?

Makes crafting a little bit more useful I guess.
Makes legendaries a LOT more useful.

Feel like if these mechanics were nerfed melee would struggle to find a use outside of open field combat where they can avoid nasty red circles.
(A lot more skirmishing zzzzz)

It terms of 1vs1 combat probably not much difference in terms of skill.

Higher tier servers most likely require more awareness of what’s happening on the map so they don’t get run over.
You could also say however higher tier servers run more stealth/mobility to escape those situations, which could hinder direct combat.

1. Pretty much makes that persons account extremely valuable to gold sellers, so idk.
2. Will probably end up in a large pve guilds hands on tiers/matchups lower than 3.
3. You’re from SOR which has a community teamspeak for this sort of thing for players who want to participate in wvw.

Edit: Not saying it is a bad idea, just wanted to point out some flaws which maybe you could explain how they could be avoided