Guild Wars 2

kitten …
ok now the problem is to find a good combination. here are few combination i find interesting… which one is better in your opinion, and works?
→ sigil of battle (swap) + sigil of accuracy
→ sigil of battle (swap) + bloodlust or perception
→ sigil of accuracy + bloodlust
→ sigil of generosity + accuracy
→ sigil of generosity + perception

thank you

Guys wait a moment… i’m always more confused… this is the set:

GS: sigil of generosity

Sword/Focus
MH: sigil of generosity -> 60% on crtit
OH: sigil of battle -> 3might on swap

when i go from GS to S/F i get surely 3 stacks of might… but, this is the question, will i still be able to activate generosity from MH sword?

ps: so the winner is
http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3.0|1.1g.h19|c.1g.0.d.1g.0|1g.71j.1c.71j.1g.71j.1c.71j.1n.71j.1c.71j|2s.d1e.2s.0.3s.0.3s.0.2s.d1e.2s.d1e|0.0.u64b.u28b.a2|2b.0|0.0.0.0.0|e

Than you all for feedback and suggestion.
It seems that after a lot of time, now, we have to choose between these 2 builds which are for me essentially equal:
1) http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3.0|1.1g.h19|c.1g.0.d.1g.0|1g.71j.1c.71j.1g.71j.1c.71j.1n.71j.1c.71j|2s.d1e.2s.0.3s.0.3s.0.2s.d1e.2s.d1e|0.0.u64b.u28b.a2|2b.0|0.0.0.0.0|e
2) http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3.0|1.1g.h19|c.1g.h19.d.1g.h2|1c.71j.1g.71j.1n.71j.1g.71j.1c.71j.1g.71j|2s.d1e.2s.0.3s.0.3s.0.2s.d1e.2s.d1e|0.0.u64b.u28b.a0|2b.0|0.0.0.0.0|e

differences:
1)
10 power
+37effective power
+1% crit damage
+8 precision ( 0.28% crit chance)
2)
+42 thougness (about 1% less damage)
+42 effective armor (obviously lol)
+8 vitality (80hp)

in my opinion it seems to be better the first one… but i want to know your opinion about them.

Second point,
sigils: generosity is a must and i need them on both weapons because if i swap and i need to activate it (during an hard fight for exemple) i have to wait 9 sec in order to swap and hope in his activation… so i need it on every main weapon.
The problem is with the sigil on the focus:
which one should i use?
remember that i dont use sword/focus as main source of dps but as utility and, only then, dps. So i’m looking for a sigili which can give me bonuses also for GS and i thought that battle was the answer (because after get 3 might stacks i can swap and use them with GS…) and i dont think it shares cd with rune of generosity because them are from 2 different sets of sigils…
anyway, any suggestion for the second sigil is well accepted

Brutaly.6257:

was bit unclear, EM has a 1s internal cd and vigorous precision has 5s.

that build looks more powerful, has more surviability and one hell of a burst capability for a support build.

Advise, try that with the staff in zerg warfare and you will find that you spam 2k aoe in a cone infront of you and dont forget skill 2 every third attack, think it will hit for almost 4k.

As said above wurm is a very good alternative to divinty and it might be possible to add in instead. The 3% damage increase in the 6th rune has impact on both crit and non crit since its base damage (ie power) that increases.

Try to swap the knight chest and the berserker legs with each other. if i remember correctly its favorable to have crit damage in the chest, you gain a couple of points. A bit uncertain here so Foofad or Akamon might perhaps fill in for me.

Imo a much better build from almost every perspective.

But no need to go for divinitys if you are happy with Lyssa, use those on that build and you will still be better off.

ok but the problem isn’t vigorous precision because i have it for 5.5sec every 5sec … so it will be permanent vigor.

thank for the advice for staff… i will give it a try later.
i dont know if put berserker chest will be better or only make the build weaker from stats it seems better…
the differences are:
+29 power
+2% less crit damage multiplier
or
+34 thougness = 0.82 less damage
+0.25% crit chance (…)

This mix should be the best i can do:
http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3.0|1.1g.h19|c.1g.0.d.1g.0|1g.71j.1c.71j.1n.71j.1c.71j.1g.71j.1c.71j|2s.d14.2s.0.3s.0.3s.0.2s.d14.2s.d14|0.0.u64b.u28b.a2|2b.0|0.0.0.0.0|e

… tell me if you have something better…

ps: you have to add 80 thougness manually because of Strength in Numbers which is 150 and not 70.

Here are few tentatives with above listened settings:
→ rune of soldier
http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3.0|1.1g.0|c.1g.0.d.1g.0|1n.7x.1g.7x.1n.7x.1g.7x.1g.7x.1n.7x|2s.0.2s.0.3s.0.2s.0.3s.0.2s.0|0.0.u460.u000.a0|0.0|0.0.0.0.0|e
→ rune of divinity
http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3.0|1.1g.0|c.1g.0.d.1g.0|1n.71j.1p.71j.1n.71j.1p.71j.1p.71j.1n.71j|2s.0.2s.0.3s.0.2s.0.3s.0.2s.0|0.0.u460.u000.a0|0.0|0.0.0.0.0|e
→ rune of lyssa
http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3.0|1.1g.0|c.1g.0.d.1g.0|1n.7i.1p.7i.1n.7i.1p.7i.1p.7i.1p.7i|2s.0.2v.0.2s.0.2s.0.3s.0.2s.0|0.0.u460.u000.a0|0.0|0.0.0.0.0|e

the best seems to be the one with rune of divinity…

foofad.5162:

Kjeldoran.3849:

3) i would not consider foodfad, he just want the “full berserker” equip because he thinks that “stunningstyles” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgYhGde9Qmc&feature=c4-overview&list=UUTR1RaHwL3UEx4DB6SzoiBQ) is really a pro gamer… anyway please dont use references to his useless posts.

Lol, what? I didn’t even post in Stunningstyles’ thread.

I don’t know why you have such a huge problem with me, but any time you’d like to address it substantively instead of trying to insult me every other post in this thread without me even being a part of the conversation, please: send me a PM instead of kittening up your own thread. You’d be doing yourself a favor.

we had a discussion in another thread (not a stunnyngstyle’s one) … please stop post here, you are not welcome and we are trying to do something of costructive, bye.

Soufflenoir.9016:

Hi there,

Why they’re not looking into skyrim’s mods to take good idea for exemple?
Ok they’re doing a good job but we need more different stuff…

I think theres too much skirt and big coat…not very attractive.

Few exemple I like.
- http://binarymessiah.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/mak07.jpg (I know it’s too much but just for pleasure :p)

I’m more into that kind of stuff
- http://binarymessiah.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/2012-11-21_00002.jpg
- http://binarymessiah.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/2013-01-28_00078.jpg
- http://binarymessiah.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/4708-1-1328241980.png

1 set is close but it’s not enough

i hope they will never introduce armors like the first one you posted.
There are a lot of mmo ruined by the presence of this sort of pornographic equip… what’s the sense?? This is a game in which people fight with swords… pistols… bows… what’s the sense of a bikini as armor!? If you want to look like a kitten (sorry but it’s necessary) look for “tera online” the worst game ever seen for this reason in which a tank i covered on her body only for 2%… maybe…

anyway there are a lot of skins in this game but a lot of them aren’t so common because come not from important dungeons but from common vendors around the world. let’s find them

Brutaly.6257:

…

Before they changed vigorous precision (5s internal cd) i would have fully agreed with your argument but not as long we have internal cool downs.

The thing is in zerg versus zerg, which you say this is for, you will find that the limit isnt set by precision. Lets say i have about 3,5 might stacks running in average and you might get 4,0 and <5 stacks is the max limit when lucky. That is the difference. not more and im generous when i “give” you 4.

EM can be calculated as well and how often it proccs with different attackspeeds, numbers of targets and precision levels and if you do that math you will find that im right here.

…

The builds i posted wasnt optimized and its possible to get about 46% crit chance, higher power, 1500 more health, 90-70 or so less armor and i think >90% crit damage is possible. in short you wont lose out on anything but you will gain some very nice stuff where 1500 health isnt to be trivialized.

…

And yeah the guys above are right, sigils of the same type (swap, crit, kill) etc share cooldown or counter and only one of the will grant its effect. it would be pretty awesome if bloodlust and perception stacked. Your battle example is correct though, you can have battle in two different weapons and gain three stacks on each swap.

ok,
1) i didn’t know there was an internal cd for EM… that changes all….
2) during zergs i always have 5 or more might stacks simply because of VoJ (3 stacks) + third GS auto attack (1stack or inside a zerg 2+) + possible stack from activating a shout + stack from save yourserlves + stack from elite + 3 stack from swapping. I know i can’t get all at the same time but i have an averange of 5+ stacks … surely…
3)ok you are right… but gs isnt so fast and i need at least 45%+ crit chance, only a little and stupid exemple:
if EM procs only every 5sec and my auto attack (1 sinlge attack) requires 1sec to land, if my crit chance is over 50% i may need 2 attacks to get the crit and so i would lose 1 second… but isnt that problem…
4)the build you posted was right… but there are few things i dont like,
this is an exemple of a typical build which i like to play:
power -> as much as i can
thougness -> around 1600 (under 1600 i cant accept… maybe you are right … it’s a psychological fact … but i cant xD )
crit chance -> 45-50% not more that 50% nor less than 45%
crit damage multiplier -> more than 75%
vitality -> at least 300 (from traits) but isnt a priority for me

so in ordeto to start to work on this build i want to start with thougness which has a cap (1600) and basically i need an equip that give me 1600-916 (base) -150 (strength in numbers) – 300 (traits) = 234 thougness from equip
same process for precision:
to reach 45% crit chance i need 1777 precision
so basically: 1777 – 916 (base) – 80 ( precision which i get from retributive armor with exactly 1600 thougness) = 781 – 128 (from GS berserker) = 653 precision from equip

starting from those i can do some exemples with full single type gear:
full berserker/ full knight (main) : 224 precision/ 224 precision and 315 thougness

trinkets:
full berserker (only ascendend withouth gems or anything over): 376 precision

first conclusions for precision:
653 – 376 (full zerker off set)= 277 precision remaining
so i still need all the main equip full zerker or knight and arent enough because i need 53 more precision in order to reach 45% crit chance.

Now the question is: what rune use on equip?? because:
-if i use rune of soldier:
i need less thougness on equip so i can swap knight for valkyrie or berserker
-if i use rune of pack:
i need 47 less precision from equip so i swap knight/berserker for valkyrie
-if i use rune of lyssa:
i need 102 less precision from equip so i can swap a lot of pieces from knight/berserker for valkyrie

i dont know what to do here… because that chooise will change everything in the build and i dont want to pay 54g for 6xrune of cittadel…
any suggestion?

Hello ArenaNet,
10 months have passed since the release of Guild Wars 2; 10 months of developments, of dynamic changes of the world, characters and players.
Today i have an important question for you:
can you consider the option to make an italian translation of the game? That will be wonderful for the great number of italian players on gw2; and when i say “great number” i mean “entire servers of italians players”. So that will be very apreciated and, above all, will make us to read and learn and enjoy the story of tyria in our mother language (i know there are people who know english, or other languages, and who know all but isn’t the same thing of read a story in our mother language; i’m not one of them).

So if there is something you can do, please let us know.
Anyway, if there are more italians here, please support this thread with a +1.
Thank you.

PS: “that will make a million* of people happy” correction

akamon.2769:

okay, one small feedback.

stick with generosity sigils if you like them, but i would swap out sigil of battle for something like Force or Accuracy depending on if you want even more crit chance, or 5% damage, which is always nice and adds to DPS for sure.

reason being all sigils, including both on-swap and on-crit, share cooldowns . and both generosity and battle have a CD of 10s and 9s respectively. if generosity procs on GS and you swap, no battle proc. if you are in combat, you switch to sword, battle procs, so for the next 9 seconds, generosity won’t be able to proc.

when i try to mix and match sigils, i usually don’t mix and match on-swap and on-crit. especially if i am relying on my on-swap sigils, which from my point of perspective are controlled to a certain extent, for e.g. energy for an extra dodge or hydromancy to chill my enemies before i plan to land a big hit, etc etc.

mmm are you sure of this? i cant test it now (but i will surely test it later…) but in my opinion this isn’t much correct:
1) Sigil of Battle hasn’t internal cd, or maybe there is but less than 2 sec… let’s explaying why: i have a warrior with the trait i have 4 sec CD for weapon swap and i have sigil of battle on both weapons … i can stil get 3 stacks of might with every swap and the total (to return to the first weapon) is also 4+4=8 sec so basically 1 sec less of your supposed 9 sec

2) generosity and battle dont share a common cd because a lot of times i activate them both (for exemple: activate generosity then swap and get 3 stacks of might without problems then again remove condition with sword’s sigil of generosity)

anyway 5% more damage nor 5% more crit are good because: 5% more damage isn’t enough (on averange 3000-4000 damage it’s 150-200 more damage…) and 5% more crit isnt needed because i still have 50% crit chance and this boost on sword (which is only an utility weapon) isn’t really usefull…

Laceration.4290:

What ive read is that Brutaly is trying to help you improve your build, isnt that constructive? You cant post a guide on the forums and expect to get only positive feedback. Im sure it would help alot if we could see the build in action and do all the thinks you say it can pull off.

brutaly started his intervention here by supposing that my build is kitten and that he could do better in 5 mins… that’s all but a costructive post in my opinion…
Unfortunately i can’t do videos in wvw because my pc really suck :< but isn’t hard to undersand what my build can do… tha’s not something of spectacular or incredible…

anyway now it seems that brutaly is trying to help seriously… let’s see how it will end

and please stop with these no sense posts… the thread is about the build and i dont want to explain to each one how things are going on… so: build help or nothing.

akamon.2769:

stunningstyles video he said he made was just for fun himself. and that’s what it was, it was fun to watch. no reason to put him down either with implications.

is the exact thing i’m saying but someone (like foodfad) pretend to judge others simply because different from this “stereotyped” build… ridiculous.
And second, this is my build thread so i’d like to see only constructive posts, thank you.

no i dont approve these changes… let’s explain why:
1) whit valkyrie + berserker you have more power… more crit damage but you forget the 2 most important things: thougness and precision!
Especially precision is the most important thing in this build because for every 1 crit i get:
aoe might → heal → a condition from me on enemy → damage
and you understand that a lose of 10% of crit chance is very important…
2) 600 more hp dont make the difference… if there is a way to combine that with more power but without lose precisione… it will be ok, but on the contrary i dont think will help.
3) i would not consider foodfad, he just want the “full berserker” equip because he thinks that “stunningstyles” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgYhGde9Qmc&feature=c4-overview&list=UUTR1RaHwL3UEx4DB6SzoiBQ) is really a pro gamer… anyway please dont use references to his useless posts.

look at this one:
http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3.0|1.1g.h19|c.1g.h19.d.1g.h1h|1n.7c.1g.7c.1n.7c.1g.7c.1n.7c.1n.7c|2s.d13.2s.d13.3s.d19.2s.d13.3s.d19.2s.d13|0.0.u46b.u28b.a2|0.0|w.17.18.19.1i|e

with a mix of knight/berserker main equip and sostitution of rune of lyssa for ruen of pack (i dont think is a good idea…) i have about the same thougness but 3807 effective power …

ok… this is the build:
http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3.0|1.1g.h19|c.1g.h19.d.1g.h1h|1n.7i.1n.7i.1n.7i.1n.7i.1n.7i.1n.7i|2s.d13.2s.d13.3s.d19.2s.d13.3s.d19.2s.d13|0.0.u46b.u28b.a2|0.0|w.17.18.19.1i|e

i dont know why but i was wrong … it was 83% not 86%… anyway all the remaning is correct…

i dont know if put soldier gear will help… i dont need more HP. Most important, for me, are power, thougness and crit chance.

Oreoginal.1580:

1. I have 2 utilities that gives condition removal. I’m also planning on getting the -36% condition duration & +60 vitality food for my build. Are 2 condition removals not enough? I guess it’s different from Guardians ‘cause I don’t even run with any condition removal in my utility slots for my Warrior and I do just pretty well. Thanks!

2. I really need to do something about my low HP. Hmmm…

3. Oh! I didn’t even notice that. Yes, I’ll definitely do that! I need the extra health.

4. I really don’t like the Sword and Focus playstyle. The only other weapon I’ll consider is the Hammer although my mobility basically dies if I run a Greatsword and Hammer build.

1) 2 single condition remover aren’t enough for me… so i suggest you to use sigil of genereosity but, in this way, you need more crit chance in order to activate it or you can always put more 5 points in honor and get Pure of Voice wich give you an aoe condition removal (and 500 more hp) which give you, also a random boon… i have both and still there are few situation where i cant remove all conditions… but will work

2-3) glad to be of help

4) i can also suggest you to try scepter+torch because of the immobilize, the range and the burning up time (which give you a more consistent damage bonus from your 10 points trait in zeal)

Brutaly.6257:

Nice job, instead of discussing you just try to diminish arguments.

As you said i posted the wrong build and instead posted an other one which also has better stats.

I can even post a lyssa build with better stats if you want or why not a full soldiers armor with orbs that outshince yours in every area except reliability in crits.

The fact remains I can have better stats in dps, burst, direct mitigation, mitigation versus conditions and if you cant get that simple fact but instead turn to ridicule than discussing with you have no purpose nor sense.

Post the build instead of screenies of stats and i can help you, if not, you have no interest in actually improving anything but your ego and if so i bid you a good day.

ah ah ah that’s all? ^^ so you are over… i have a lot to discuss… but your argumentation is insufficient. Stats are nothing compared to effects and a good fusion between attack and defense.
Second, you arent of help here unless you want to add something to my build (there are screenshot of every aspect under the description so there isnt nothing of hidden).
So, if you want to add something you are welcome but if you want to tell me that your build is better than mine (without know really what are you saying) you are free to leave
and, for the next time: learn to “keep calm” and control your “ego”.

Brutaly.6257:

And no its not all berserker, its only two well placed berserker pieces in my armor.

-> yes it was full berserker i saw it before you deleted the build link; lying (but if you want to consider “not full berserker” a build with only 2 soldier piece in the entire equip) +

1. no sense adfirmation…

-> thougness is really important for direct damage mitigation… but as you can understand guardians havent a lot of hp and cond removal for you ins’t enough in big zergs

2. Hmm, so my build cant generate might as well as yours, which is weird since i use the same traits distribution. Your argument is moot.

-> yes, the build is pretty similar to mine but the heal boon and elite boon isn’t “nothing” but make the difference only trying it you will learn how much +

3. As i said i can use an other rune like soldiers and compensate with gear since i dont use all berserkers. Once again a weird argument since i could say the same, you use Lyssa which has an upside in precision. Once again moot.

-> read above: that was full zerker lying. Plus also with full soldier set it’s not enough and the second build you post was worst than the first one +

As i said i can achieve better stats with rune of the soldier than you have and also have a team wide condiremoval. Each and everyone can decide for them selves what they prefer.

-> team “wide” removal?? with 2 condition removal x 3 shouts??? do you know whats a “zerg”? i dont think so…

Btw i took away the divinity runes and altered so this is with orbs that cost 20 silver a piece and no berserker in the armor:
Critical Chance 41.97%
Damage 10%
Armor 2699
Health 14845
Endurance Regeneration + 0%
Agony Resistance 15
Virtue Recharge Rate 10%
Damage & Survivability
Effective Power 3630.9
Effective Health (EHP) 21823
Damage Reduction 31.97%
Reference Armor 1836

-> worst than the first one: a bit more power, lower toughness, lower crit, lower survivability and pretty the same trait build… but you forget the most important one (strength in numbers) which make the difference you will learn how much trying to put in and sostitute some pieces

It can still mitigate more damage (both condi and direct), do more damage and create higher bursts.

-> no you cant. you take about 5%more direct damage and have a lower crit chance which mean you get no boons and less cond removal and less heal… THAT makes the difference +

Once again its not optimized statwise.

-> you cant optimize… and “optimizing” you are always closer to mine +

Im all for that damage isnt everything and my point wasnt that, my point was that you are smug versus a guy that has some great knowledge in the numbers in this game and present a subpar (from a stat optimizing perspective) build as an argument and also say its a high damage build.

-> i’m not smug… read the thread from beginning. When someone tell that your build is kitten … you will change consideration for those people ^^ and you are another of them … +

The build i posted benefits relatively more from protection and absolutely more from fury.

-> ERR … you are wrong again ^^ i can get 5 more seconds of fury and your “benefits” are only of 9%… do you want some numbers so i can show you that i know “numbers”!?
with 9% more damage and 40% crit chance:
every 10 attacks you do:
4x crits +9%
6x non crits

wtihout 9% more damage and 50% crit chance:
5x crits (without 9%)
5x non crits

difference? the fifth crits (in my build) hits for 150%+86% crit damage which is pretty much than a non crit of yours + 9%x4= 36%damage …
so basically i do about 200% more damage (200% of an attack) of you every 10 attacks

And i have still more thougness due to elite and heal.

read corrections ^^

i will probably suggest the first one…
remember that you are in wvw and there is enough defence that can save you from a massive attack. So if you want to survive you need a nice defence but also a good attack in order to kill people fast… anyway knight/berserker will be better than soldier/berserker for your aims

Brutaly.6257:

Power 2040
Precision 1669
Toughness 1396
Vitality 1396
Critical Damage + 103%
Condition Damage + 60
Condition Duration 0%
Healing Power 360
Boon Duration 10%
Critical Chance 39.85%
Damage 10%
Armor 2607
Health 15605
Endurance Regeneration + 0%
Agony Resistance 15
Virtue Recharge Rate 10%
Damage & Survivability
Effective Power 3612.1
Effective Health (EHP) 22158
Damage Reduction 29.57%

oh… sorry but this is very hilarious …
so let’s tell you something about this:
this is exaclty my build but with full zerker gear and another kind of runes and you want to show me … stats? are you kidding right?
let’s explain you how pvp works (especially in wvw)
1) knight main gear is necessary for thougness… you have 300 less thougnes and around 7% more direct damage taken (there is a problem with strength in numbers in the pics i have 1681 thougness)
2)you have exactly only 141 more power which i can fastly gain with 4 stacks of might (few seconds of fight…)
3)you are using runes of divinity which mean:
->600 hp…. that’s the difference which make your “health poll” enough against conditions?
->60 precision… and you lose about 11% crit chance…
->60 power … wow 60/141 strenght derives form there… maybe i can swap runes… that’s all…
->60 thougness … and still under of 300… so it’s basically 360 less thougness … very “solid” build…
do you understand that isnt very interesting that change because i have:
155 ( and more) more precision
10% more condition duration which mean i can reach the 6th second with VoJ and get 1 more tick…
more ways to gain boons… did this remember you something… like you get 75hp per boon … … that mean only that with renewed focus you get and istant heal of 1300 + every boon! … nothing you can compare to “60 more power” or something you can get from “runes of divinity” (btw… they cost 11g per rune…).
And at least i get a free all condition removal… do you think isnt enough? but inside a zerg it makes difference for exemple save yourselves+renewed focus … which is more important than 600 more hp…

came on man… don’t be crazy. All this to show me that with a zerker equip and rune of divinity MY BUILD can do more damage? i know it… and because of its futility i prefered to use knight and rune of lyssa…
That’s all, learn that damage isnt all, i dont think you like zerg or large group fights in general; you still have much to learn about tactics. Every one is good to play when others saves our butt and we only do “damage” (if you can call damage 141 more power) but the “guardian” saves butts first of all because this is a MMO which means (if you dont know) Massive Multiplayer Online, so we have to play WHIT other players and not FOR other player (like you). Try out another build… you will be more lucky next time.

ps. sorry for grammar

yes, 15# is actually the best one… that will be really usefull in groups and will surely modify a lot of builds…
also zeal minor traits ar kitten but i suggest ot improve them… or completely remove them

and
PS: i wasnt “smug” against foodfad… i only wanted to show him that power and damage of this build are exactly the same he posted in another thread, supposing to be the best one. You both have much to learn about the concept of humility…

Brutaly.6257:

You realise that your build isnt optimzed at all.

Within 5 minutes i can post a build that has:

Higher effective power (dps over time)
Higher burst capability in individual hits
Higher effective healthpool (withstand direct damage)
Higher absolute healthpool (withstand conditions.)
Benefits more relatively from protection
Benefits more in absolute numbers from from fury.

If i were you i wouldnt be so smug versus a guy (Foofad) that actually has an understanding of the numbers in this game, when you post kitten like that.

Do you not feel ridicolous? you pretend to create a build with:
high damage, burst, health pool, condition remover and protection???
So that build will be … the best one … sure! no one can kill you! … yes, you are the best …
… I would feel really ridiculous to say something like … especially if i have a build sticked here… you lose all my respect… only a flamer like others…
i’m waiting for your invincible build! cmon! show us your invincible build or leave this discussion and hide yourselves…

seven.6390:

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Not bad.. thanks for the idea!

thank you for support

here is a pic with full ascendend gear but without foods ^^ so that someone can learn something about damage (like foodfad)

Peachie.1076:

Hey Everyone!
I’ve been playing around with Berserker gear for a while now and have 44% chance to do crit dmg and 71% crit bonus damage.
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I have watched a lot of guardian dps wvwvw roaming videos and I consistently see people hitting for 6000-9000 dmg . Someone even did 9000 dmg with the explosion from Shield of Wrath.
Can someone tell me what I’m doing wrong? Was there a nerf?
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Link to someone who hits really hard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgYhGde9Qmc

ok… ok i will explain here, now and ever, what that video shows… and why you cant “apparently” get same results:
1)in this video there is a bug exploit: if you put sigil of perception on a weapon, kill 25 mobs and then put on another weapon you get 250 free precision…
2)the video shows always fights against full zerker builds (only few, like the engineer used a not full zerker one) so it’s basically a fight between butters
3)there are always allies near him (you can see them only in few camera rotation, very well done video) which give him boons and, not sure of this, heals.
4)no one really hit him because he attacked them always from behind and the first reaction is “escape”… but butter can’t escape…
5)he is running a full zerker build (zerker equip and points in zeal) so it’s normal to see high numbers… but if you are really interested in “high” numbers i suggest you to try out warriors and elementalists…
6)he was full of food, boons and always at full heal (not the same for enemies)

in concusion… look at videos for build but only the best video will show you how it really works… others are only nice montages of luky kills, exploits and particular situations for your entertaining not, for sure, to learn you something ^^

so play whatever you want and play whatever you LIKE because this is the “guardian” class… not high damages … but high resistence and support for party and zergs
Enjoy

PS: i’m talking about pvp ofc

in my opinion burning build will be less than useless not for burning duration itself but because we have only … 1 condition…
also if we could put on a 1000sec burning duration enemies can remove it very… very easily and a build based on burning damage will have approximately 0 dps…
in my opinion guardians need a trait whin make burning non-removable or something that greatly increase burning damage… for exemple a damage which decreases with seconds:
(burning 5 sec):
1° sec: 1500 damage
2° sec 1250 damage
3° sec 1000 damage
4° sec 750 damage
5° sec 500 damage

in this way we dont care about removal and classes based on removal can still get a nice damage reduction… just few numbers:
full duraton (now):
1000 damage x 5 secs = 5000 damage
if you remove burning after 2 sec you take 2000 damage and avoid 3000 damage

full duration (with my system)
1500+1250+1000+750+500 = 5000 damage
if you remove burning after 2 sec you take 2750 damage and avoid 2250 damag

… a nice dps increase … or maybe something like this…

ps: sorry for grammar

surely a nice build… but there are few problems:
1) what did you use for condition removal? (46sec CD is very long… and the 16sec one isnt enough)
2) resistence isnt enough in my opinion because of low HP and no real way to mitigate incoming damage expecially from condition)
3) you put 20 points in zeal for 5% gs damage while refusing 5 more points in Honor and get +10% damage while endurance is not full (according to wiki), 500 more hp and a more reason to spam your roll and get heal, evade, damage and support XD
4)Staff is very usefull in Zergs but i strongly recomende sword/focus because of their infinite utility for you and party (3# blocks, 5# blocks, aoe regeneration 4# and blind)

meditation are very good… but i still prefer the boonway coming out from shouts because you can easily heal more than a meditation and get more usefull boons

Charr ofc !!!

best race!

Brutaly.6257:

Kjeldoran.3849:

1)with 0/0/30/30/10 i have 2836 power (base)

I believe its about 1800 power and 2836 attack or at least that is what you wrote in your thread.

I have about 2550 power and around 3650 attack and 107% crit damage atm which are the stats that are important for bursting.

yes, a mistake, 1838 power and 3275 attack but the with 76% crit damage multiplier (unbuffed) the difference is that i have a 50% base crit chance not 30-40% which make the difference and grow up to 70% with fury (and i can stack fury in a lot of ways with a bit of luck… or not) and i can stack might very fast…

DeathPanel.8362:

Zerker guards are also called free badges in WvW.

oh finally someone that said something of right! XD
yes a full zerker guardian is “free badges” because you can hit hard… but you will get “one shotted” by almost every class…
so if you want to play inside a zerg i suggest to put on knight equip and AH build and if you want to roaming put on berserker but remember: squish ore be squished…

Anyway i always play knight/berserker AH (see thread in this forum) i rarely someone kill me in zerg and in 1vs1 remember that a guardian can make the difference in wvw because of support, of simbols, of sanctuary, of nice damage and condition control on them and allies. Enjoy

i suggest you to put your firsts 5 point in virtue you will get 105 power, regeneration and protection with only 5 points…

anyway try to go for a berserker gear because during leveling you dont need to “tank”
… berserker ftw said someone… enjoy

Brutaly.6257:

No need for screenies of the build, there are no secrets in it just stacking of power and crit damage. You can have at least 2630 in power in a 0/5/30/30/5 build, ofc with food.

Start there and compare with your power and you will find thakittens almost 50% more power than you have and 50% more crit damage will boost the crits even more.

The setup you use in wvw is what i use as frontline pusher, in other words a tank.

1)with 0/0/30/30/10 i have 2836 power (base)
2)76% crit damage bonus (base)
3)please make a screen … i’m curious that’s all…
4)that’s my last post here, sory for noise and good bye

Harbinger.8637:

How is stacks of perception abuse?

because he uses sigil of perception on a second weapon he hasn’t during combat… stacks should be removed if you remove weapon with the sigil

so:
1) enter wvw
2) kill 25 mobs and get 25 stacks of perception
3) change weapon and play seriously
… i find that all a bit ridicolous… when i go in wvw i only want to “fight”! i dont want to wait and search someone to take from back… of farm stacks of sigil… or waste tons of food… because i can kill people simply playing… that’s all.

Brutaly.6257:

My point was that you can hit for 5k with the last part of the sword chain with no might or vulnerbilitywith a 0/5/30/30/5 build, without stacking berserker. The stuff that you lashed out at in a previous post and pretty much said was a lie..

I just used might stacking as an example that you can go even higher, or as high, with berserker, or with a more defensive setups.

can you make a screen (with traits near)? or a short vid please? i’m curious… oh and sorry but i was talking about GS not sword… but please show me your 5k with sword (maybe also with GS).

PS: the video from Stunningstyles yup is surely great but there is an abuse of not legit stack of perception and the presence of particular situation in which no one, of the 2-3 enemies, attacks him… really? and he get hitted for 3k grenade spam? … ok

Brutaly.6257:

@Kjeldoran
Calm down.

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And if you play with sigil of battle and swap you can go as high as >6k. Back in beta there was a guy that actually used only one main hand (sword) and just swapped off hand to build might stacks. Was awesome to play with/versus him and see him hit big numbers with the chain.

I have 13750 hp when i run my burst build, about 2400 armor and i survive, hmmm.

Hey Brutaly,
sorry but i dont want to look angry or aggressive… that wasnt my aim…
i only tried to help dogtail.5203 with his build.
Now I admit that i’m pretty jealous of my own build because i worked a lot on it and it gives me a lot of great satisfactions…
I know it isn’t a full zerker build and never will hit like a zerker build but it’s focused on hard hitting… notice that 50% crit chance and 76% crit damage are without foods or bonuses or anything else.
The base of the build is: if i block i get might, if i get might i get heal, if i get heal i can survive better… and it’s focused on gain might in a lot of ways… also with the sigil of battle (on the sword) and i can easily reach 25 stacks without difficulty… above all the build isnt too squishi because of thougness…
that’s all… someone takes my help as offense… but it wasnt… continue with you berserker build, i see a lot of warrior, guardian, thief, mesmer and elementalist play “berserker” during cof or how or AR and die …in a second… mybe you are so skilled to resist at all… dont know…

See you in game.

PS: you said “>6k with sigil of battle” but i said, and you remember: without boons … that’s a contraddiction but ok…

seven.6390:

I run exact build except I use knights acce, with azurite stones.

I will try this. I wvw a lot and I think I still have the acce for this.. =) thanks!

I currently have boon duration runes.. 2x water, 2x monk, 2x major water.
Will see how it goes. =)

i strongly suggest to try out lyssa
this evening i had some 1vs1 pvp in wvw… i dont knew enemies set up and equip but they wasnt leveled up to 80:
-against hammer guardian= it started very slow but i kill him without use all of my utilities and rune of lyssa helped me to break his burn and immobilize. A great tactic will be to use sword 2# to reach him when you are closed inside the ring… not so hard
-against regen ranger= very boring… catch him was a little hard but i hitted him for like 3-4k per attack so not difficult at all
-against a rogue (perma invisibility)= just wait for him to spawn while turning on your selves XD then you can smash him… then way again for spawn and smash again… and again… until he decides to run away… here a full berserker guardian will die with the first backstab.
-against an elementalist (dagger dagger)= very easy … simply attack… and remove burning by attivating a shout… down in few seconds (WW + VoJ + Save Yourselves = 6.5k damage + burning, 500 per tick = almost done)
-hammer guardian (maybe the same i killed before) + thief = not so hard but really difficult to win so when i downed guardian i prefered to runaway…

unfortunatelly i cant record videos in wvw because my pc is a bit dog kitten… and this was another disadvantage for me because i was lagging during every fight…

foofad.5162:

Err, 5k+ autoattack aren’t fake. Against 25 vuln with 25 might in a full berserker setup I’ve hit 6.5k Sword Waves before. I can math it out if you want but it’s completely doable. You can get higher than that too.

man i’m talking without boons and condition on enemy
with 25 vulnerability and 25 might it will be like 7k+ ^^
3400 + 3400×0.25 + about 3000 (25might = 875 power) = 7250

the difference between my set and a full zerker one is very very slight … only about 80 power (less than 80 but now i dont want to do precise calculations) and about 12% critical damage… the difference is tha with knight main set you have 270 more thougness and thanks to the build you can survive 10 times better
270 thougness isnt soo much but without knight gear you have to surely waste something else because a guardian with 14k hp (with 300vit from traits) can’t survive with less than 1500 thougness

Very nice work man!
Ill try it out as soon as possible but i have only a question:
isnt a build based only on a condition (burning) weak against classes with condition removal?

CptAurellian.9537:

Sorry, but that’s complete bullkitten. The fact that you are obviously unable to play the full zerker style does not mean that it does not fit to the class itself. In fact, perma vigor and all the blocks, blinds, etc. make it even easier to go full zerker than in the case of warriors. PvE is predictable, so it is all about choosing the right utilities (hi @ WoR) and pressing dodge at the right time.

AH is the easy way with nothing to think about since it helps you soak up a lot of unnecessary damage, but a full zerker build will lift youe effectiveness to completely new levels if you are willing to pay attention to the fight.

Really? are you sure you have enough blocks/vigor/blind to avoid everything?!… i dont thing it’s possible… it seems you are talking about something you have never experienced before…
1) i want to underline again, because someone continue to talk about AH bunker build, that mine isn’t bunker build but can hit very strong do you want numbers so you can compare to your “berserker build”??
auto attacks: 1= 800-1808 2=1000-2260 3=1500-3390
ww= 5000-7000 (sometimes also 8k)
LoF= 1500-3390
SoW= 600-800 per tick
BB = 2000-3000
and please dont tell me stories like “i hit for 5000 with auto attack” because it merely fake… i know that build, was the first one i played when i was inexperienced but learn that you can’t avoid everything also if you are the most skilled gw2 player.
Did you never played wvw? when you are in the middle of a zerg you can “avoid everything” and “block” the rest??… i dont think and without regeneration you can be kitten by the weakest of rogue and smash by the first berserker warrior or destroyed by a phantasmal mesmer (that, with this kind of build, you will never reach)… seriously… take more in consideration a solid base of defence because there isnt much you can do… or play warrior or mesmer or rogue… but not guardian ^^

jadfang.6850:

I just saw this thread an I will say I love it,1 question that is nagging me,i see you got your toughness over 1600 on your equipment screen,whats killin me is I have exact same armor an weapons,same runes an sigils,only thing different is your ammy ,which I don’t have.So how did you get it over 1600?

Hello,
sorry but i dont understand what do you mean with “ammy” (i’m not english sorry)…
Amulet is the only ascendent (if was referred to this) thing i have and it’s berserker but you can easily get an exotic one from TP… anyway there is a problem in the screen because it was on an old site. Now strength in number give you 150 thougness up from 70… so thougness is 1601+80=1681 while in combat…. the only thing that allow you to reach 1681 thougness are equip (full knight) and 300 thougness from traits

Hey dogtail a last advice,
if you are sure you want to run a meditation build remember some important tips:
1)never use 2 time the same weapon!
2)knight equip scales better in main equip and not as trinkets
3)if you want to maximize vulnerability on enemy ill suggest to replace a shield with a focus because 4# focus skill blind a target and hit 4 targets that mean: 2 times enemy and 2 times you giving 6 vulnerability stacks. Then if you put it togheter with sword you can use #2 #4 and put 9vulnerability stacks on enemy in a second.
4) why 5 points in zeal? in my opinion is better to put them in virtue and get 3 might stacks, 5sec of regen and 5sec of protection… for you and party!
see you

CptAurellian.9537:

‘yawn’ Start thinking out of the AH box. AH may offer great survivability, but the damage of the build you suggest just sucks compared to a Zeal/Radiance berserker build. If you know how to play the game, moving your PvE build out of AH into the 10+x/25+x/0/25+x/x direction is the way to go since the selfheal is no longer needed.

Hello CptAurellian.9537,
as you will have understood the AH build I have created isnt the simply AH defensive/support build and it’s done to carry out max damage while still surviving in ottimal way…
the other kind of build you suggest (10/25/0/25/0 +x) was the first one to which I had thought when i started to play guardian… but after few tentatives the final verdict was:
not an high damage as i thought and a lower resistence (in pve at least) than i thought.
The point is that guardian cant wear only zerker of play with a “zerker” mentality.
A warrion can wear zerker and play as a glass cannon or wear knight/other and play as a tank… but a guardian can play only with a basic defensive build with some dps elements which will help you to see some great numbers in pve and pvp ^^
Another important point is the self heal because you really “need self heal!” it’s not an option… at this point there 2 choises for you:
1) get vitality and something like 17k HP so you dont need self heal but you waste your damage
2) get 14k hp and point in damage… the result? you damage is higher, you get more boons, you get more heals and so more survivability… what’s wrong with this?

I invite you to take a closer look to build ^^ and ask me if you have trouble like these

hello,
there are 2 nice build in this section… look for them
If you dont find anything of “good for you” wait until tomorrow because i have a build for you but now i have to go XD bye

hello dogtail.5203,
i might suggest you to look this build
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guide-WvW-PvE-new-AH-Guardian-build/first#
i know it’s a lot different from your own but if you are looking for damage and survivability it’s a great one.

For your build:
1) Shelter > Dwyna: shelter give you block and 1stack of might per block.
2) according to 1) i suggest you to put on Altruistic Healing so you get 75hp per boon (and 75 per block while shelter is active, togheter with might per block… not bad at all)
3) equip is too tanky in my opinion… beyond 1800 thougness it starts to lose effectiveness
4) il suggest to remove orbs from equip… they give you a nice stat bonus but dont give you “effects”… look at rune of lyssa for a quick idea
5) i really dont suggest you to put 2 times the same weapon… 2 times shield means you play with 8 skills instead of 10
6) as amulet i suggest the berserker one because scales better with stats
7) as offset (trinkets) i suggest to put on berserkers because give you more power and critical damage so you can change the equip (main) with a knight one which give more thougness and scales better.
I hope I have been of help

Ps: sorry for grammar

Hi Mortalitas.9710,
ill suggest you to try out my new build
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guide-WvW-PvE-new-AH-Guardian-build/first#

anyway if you want to keep up perma swiftness you dont need staf but only 3 things:
1) trait for reduction of shout’s CD (20%)
2) rune on equip with 20% (or more, idk) more switness duration and give you swiftness of heal skill activation
3) at least 10 points in virtues (10% more boon duration)

this mean:
retreat! (every 48 sec)= 20sec + 6sec = 26sec swiftness
save yourselves! (every 48 sec)= 10sec + 3sec = 13 sec swiftness
shelter (every 30 sec)= 13 sec swiftness
total = 52 sec of swiftness every 48 sec (without considering healing skill which you can use every 30sec)

enjoy your perma speed guardian ^^

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

It’s 9 boons. You probably are forgetting Aegis.

hello Phoebe Ascension.8437,
no i was wrong… when i said “like 8 boons” I was going to say a lot of boons…
save yourselves actually give you 7 boons (450hp + 1300hp with regeneration):
-retailation (10 sec +1)
-protection (10 sec +1)
-might (1 stack 10 sec +1)
-fury (10 sec +1)
-regeneration (10 sec +1)
-swiftness (10 sec +1)
-vigor (10 sec +1)

Hi Brutaly.6257,
nice build but there are some problems, at least for me:
1) Zealous blade isnt 10% more gs damage but only 5% more
2) Hammer is surely a nice weapon but i’m not sure it’s really good for WvW… you function are really limitated and remember that you can’t get protection from 1# skill if enemy run away from you or if you are forced to follow him and immobilize skill actually is really easy to avoid or remove… so it’s quite hard to hit someone. Anyway in wvw inside a zerg someone will not see you but it’s limited to few players.
3) why get 78% of crit damage multiplier with only 33% of critical chance? Personally i prefer a solid 50% crit chance with 76% crit damage multiplier.
4)condition removal isnt really enough for wvw… i still prefer to use Pure of Voice with a full shout build which mean less condition for you and allies whatever you want. Also with rune of lyssa you get a free “all condition removal” with elite and with sigil of generosity another important advantage…
5) In my opion is better to use the new “strength in numbers”, to get out some thougness from equip and put on some crit damage and power, instead of purity.
6) as healing skill i still prefer shelter to gain 2 sec of block (and might as well) and a lower cd
anyway, nice defensive build ill try it later…

aophts.9862:

Ok, Renewed Focus is acceptable, can save your life sometimes but it’s still boring. My main is a norn guardian, all elite skills are useless.

Do you guys really use the tomes in dungeons or even use them sometimes?

hello aophts.9862,
ill suggest you to look here for some tip:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guide-WvW-PvE-new-AH-Guardian-build/first#

with rune of lyssa you renewed focus is:
-you lose all condition
-you gain all boons for 5 sec
-and ofc you are invulnerable for 3 sec
… still boring?

other 2 elites are helpfull in dungeon (tome of courage), for massive healing, and in wvw (tome of wrath), try to stay near a door while under attack and use skill 5# the result will be: massive retailation damage and massive 5# skill damage with the entire enemy team knocked down ^^ you can also spam the 1# skill to deal some nice aoe burning damage…

:) thank you coleruneer for approvation,
remember that you can also simply use save yourselves and run in the middle of a zerg and use wirling wrath; what happen? you team is free from condition and you enemy have back their own with sigil of generosity ^^ not bad at all…

anyway remember that you can run in the middle of a zerg but you need protection which mean: 33% less damage from protection and 40% less damage from thougness = 73% less direct damage which, unite with an excellent condition removal, allow you to easily run inside a zerg enjoy

Hi colerunner.6198,
i’m pretty sure you can do this…. but you will surely have a low crit chance united with a low critical damage multiplier. This build is done in order to carry out a great and sustained damage: with 50% crit chance and 76% critical damage you will hit very hard! and for very hard i’m talking of about 2k+ with auto attacks. Thank you for feedback, surviving is the most important thing and it’s the base of this build