Guild Wars 2

Black Box.9312:

While they’re at it, can they make Thieves NOT steal a skill that provides a daze, which is something that Guardians don’t even have access to with their entire skillset? Thanks.

A great post.
They should really be taking something I have TO steal..
Like an Aegis or light field

Muffins might make it worse… Devil Dogs are the way

Shatter Mesmer, like Medi Guard is an ambush predator. Both are able to burst a lightly defended opponent in a moment while also being vulnerable to the same. It’s very common for bad Mesmers to announce themselves with greatsword autoattacks.. It kind of ruins the ambush.

The Age of Chivalry existed in fiction, not in reality.
Smart commanders give a grand speech BEFORE the battle from outside of bowshot. Medevil kings died in battle quite frequently.. Usually in a far more gruesome fashion than their troops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zVfxxsr3PM

Johje Holan.4607:

LetoII.3782:

morrolan.9608:

Only because its completely unmoderated. For some reason the forum owner thinks that results in more worthwhile discussion. In reality that forum shows how bad a completely unmoderated forum is.

How bad is it truly?
A discussion can be had, both good and bad ideas shared.
Just because you don’t like something being said, doesn’t mean it should be censured.. That’s a founding principle of democracy

It is truly wretched. There are no discussions being had. Practically no matchup talk. Its just people flaming each other.

When I compare the current GW2officialWvW and GW2wvw.net front pages it’s rather difficult to say which one has less relevance to the ongoing matches.

morrolan.9608:

Only because its completely unmoderated. For some reason the forum owner thinks that results in more worthwhile discussion. In reality that forum shows how bad a completely unmoderated forum is.

How bad is it truly?
A discussion can be had, both good and bad ideas shared.
Just because you don’t like something being said, doesn’t mean it should be censured.. That’s a founding principle of democracy

kokiman.2364:

zengara.8301:

Let me start of by saying that it is not a legit strategy, it is a cheesy strategy………If ANY commander ask you to do such a thing I recommend just leaving the zerg or guild, every guilds/commanders/servers that do such a thing is known to be the worst in game……..So I suggest you dont follow the trail of bad habits……

So if the whole zerg consists of commanders you can simply don’t attack? :o

Post of the day rotfl

BrickFurious.7169:

For once I actually agree with everyone defending this. Do you think Alexander the Great would have complained about pin sniping? Seriously, this is war, war is dirty, and it’s definitely not cheating, so deal with it.

Alexander in GW2?
Maybe a few Justinians, but mostly Ethelreds lol

I have a commander pin, by all means give a special buff for having one on.

Don’t base your tactics on the survival of a single individual?

EremiteAngel.9765:

Now I understand why Anet banned matchups in this forum. Look at that forum you linked…they are practically throwing insults at each other

Is a PvP game, the silly premise is that we’re to spend all day doing our utmost to defeat each other in violent fashion then settle down for a pleasant cup of tea after.

Michael Henninger.7451:

>.> Did I do that?

No more than an individual policeman can cause riots

Cut the guy some slack kitten .
He’s one of our primary sources of good things

There is currently tons of viable builds for guardian, other classes as well. I find synergizing with my team to be nearly as fun as actually putting our composition to use, tweaking and adjusting as we go.

I fear an era of uniformity is coming. While we are getting 4 additional points to work with, the choices available will be drastically reduced. No more short paths, no more choosing multiple traits from the same tier, everything on rails.

I’ve used mace quite a bit in the past, it’s great against anything that comes to you, ala melee, but will leave you crying versus ranged. #2- the symbol mentioned by OP is a great in-between.. Basically, throw one down when another skill isn’t called for at that moment. Like one would with staff 1

^
Best bet is to just get more levels.

Staffbow meta, mark my words

Wait a second…
I thought Radiance looked to be the condition options. Some of our new elite line just happen to also apply some.

phokus.8934:

I still feel as if they need to do more with sword from a cc perspective. The new trait, Wrath of Justice, will help but it lags behind with no soft cc. I’d like to see a 1s cripple get applied to third attack on sword #1.

Nah.. sword has a gap closer, Mace should really have the slow if any further bufs are needed. IMO the game has faaar too much cripple already
Right now you get Scepter(CC), Sword(mobility) or Mace(heal)
Giving Sword both a blink AND a cripple would make it OP

Saiyan.1704:

Jerus.4350:

Black Box.9312:

Jerus.4350:

Saiyan.1704:

They basically changed 10% sword increase damage to a 10% if you have retaliation. The upside is this 10% is for all your attacks, not just sword. Regardless, I rather like this change since Virtues line and GS + Stand Your Ground will give us all the retaliation uptime we could ask for.

If you look at it that way this change is a necessary buff.

Which is why it does nothing to help Sword’s position within our setups. Sword needs a sword specific trait that can keep up with the boosts other weapons got.

Sword already has the highest DPS autoattack rotation of all guardian weapons. It doesn’t need a damage trait specifically geared for it.

Base maybe, but with all the new traits mace is going to blow it out of the water honestly.

Mace’s performance is maybe on par with sword and scepter but it still can’t teleport on ledges or immobilize a target. Mace is one of those weapons that needed a buff.

Did anyone else notice that Might of the Protector’s gain might on block trait showed 3 stacks of might instead of its usual 1? I over looked it the first time but that’s a nice buff.

MoP now 3 stacks, but much shorter duration. And I’m expecting an internal cooldown too That one smells of trouble.

I agree mace needed a buff, Protectors Strike is great but the symbol takes a day to place and the autoattack sinks it. Mace and Hammer both have near useless autoattacks.
Sword by comparison has fantastic autoattack, a low cooldown blink/blind and the highly underrated zealots defense.. Odd as it sounds, I see sword as a utility weapon. There to deliver my other weapons.. And kill rangers. Right-handed strength only really benefitted one build, as only the sword and scepter guards used it.

gregbow.4396:

Shelter – consecration
Healing breeze – meditation

tomes – shouts..? I suppose, since your are reading spells aloud from a book :S

Litany of Wrath is already a meditation. No change coming there betcha betcha

Thaddeus.4891:

It’s this little thing call balance.

Warrior survivability is all about pure stats. High Hp and High Armor.

Guardian survivability come from different source. It have high armor, but low hp. But to compensate it have a hp regen outside of his healing skill and he have access to a large quantity of active defense : blind, aegis, reflection, protection, etc. All stuff that Warrior don’t have access or very limited access to.

Trade ya aegis for endure pain

lordkrall.7241:

“Even the most unqualified one would be better than a non existing specialist though.”

Not according to the reactions we saw with the announcement here.

A mixture of input, both good and bad is always part of stepping into the limelight.
His credentials were questioned, and rightly so.. He appears to be unready for the position.

Magumma: King of the (nobody to) Fights Tier

Sick for a month?
Wish my boss would buy that

JQ has been a T1 destination for years, this isn’t new.
OP, you’ve also lamented it for years now.. Maybe it’s time to move… You’re in an obvious minority. Lots of servers with low population, only a few with high turnout.

tanztante.6532:

invisible wall!

But I can see it! it’s right there O.o

Black Box.9312:

LetoII.3782:

Lucentfir.7430:

Black Box.9312:

LetoII.3782:

Pretty much every build has to make this choice. Going 100% damage in every build decision will naturally allow builds that do not a way to avoid you.

Try 4 in virtues and swap out contemplation of purity.

I take it you’ve never played a meditation guardian before? Taking a shout or staff on a meditation build is a terrible idea, and so is swapping out CoP.

As for OP, I agree wholeheartedly. Guardian is getting left in the dust, both figuratively and literally, because our only truly viable build left is very easily kited through range and CC.

I take a shout with with my meditation build? :[

Amongst other things Swapping out CoP would be ideal if the classes you face in roaming weren’t so heavy condi based. You can certainly swap CoP in duels, but roaming wise CoP is a must.

Yes, you take a shout with your meditations. Shouts builds take a consecration sometimes too. Open world doesn’t have one setup to rule them all… And if there were one, it really really wouldn’t be a duelling build like meta meditations.
Have neither of you tried a virtues build? 4 in virtues gives you access to a better condition remove than CoP, better because you can use it twice. How many scenarios do you really run into where more than 3 condis need clearing half as often? You also get unscathed contender, a 20% damage buff you can pop during other actions like a nitro boost. You get 20% additional boon duration as well, so all those boons hang around a while longer. Opening a utility slot is just one option though, for sure. Most people are gonna laugh if you argue mediguard needs a buff.. Jus sayin

Putting 4 points into virtues is too much of a sacrifice in damage for an additional cleanse that is usually not enough for the condition-heavy builds it’d be used against anyway. I’d much rather have those points in radiance for the vuln on blind and extra damage modifiers.

We’re getting off topic.
OP wanted to keep his hoelbrak runes but still have swiftness.
Playing with smite condition and no other condition remove is baaad idea.. I’m sure we can all agree there.

Saiyan.1704:

LetoII.3782:

Lucentfir.7430:

Black Box.9312:

LetoII.3782:

Pretty much every build has to make this choice. Going 100% damage in every build decision will naturally allow builds that do not a way to avoid you.

Try 4 in virtues and swap out contemplation of purity.

I take it you’ve never played a meditation guardian before? Taking a shout or staff on a meditation build is a terrible idea, and so is swapping out CoP.

As for OP, I agree wholeheartedly. Guardian is getting left in the dust, both figuratively and literally, because our only truly viable build left is very easily kited through range and CC.

I take a shout with with my meditation build? :[

Amongst other things Swapping out CoP would be ideal if the classes you face in roaming weren’t so heavy condi based. You can certainly swap CoP in duels, but roaming wise CoP is a must.

Yes, you take a shout with your meditations. Shouts builds take a consecration sometimes too. Open world doesn’t have one setup to rule them all… And if there were one, it really really wouldn’t be a duelling build like meta meditations.
Have neither of you tried a virtues build? 4 in virtues gives you access to a better condition remove than CoP, better because you can use it twice. How many scenarios do you really run into where more than 3 condis need clearing half as often? You also get unscathed contender, a 20% damage buff you can pop during other actions like a nitro boost. You get 20% additional boon duration as well, so all those boons hang around a while longer. Opening a utility slot is just one option though, for sure. Most people are gonna laugh if you argue mediguard needs a buff.. Jus sayin

The thing about Unscathed Contender is that it’s based on Aegis. Your Aegis will only last a couple of seconds before it wears off. At best, you can pop F3 before you use a high damaging skill, maybe get another auto chain in. At worse, you’ll never utilize the 20% damage increase because Aegis is removed too quickly.

You’d be amazed how often the guardian goes unscathed in a thief based havoc comp

Lucentfir.7430:

Black Box.9312:

LetoII.3782:

Pretty much every build has to make this choice. Going 100% damage in every build decision will naturally allow builds that do not a way to avoid you.

Try 4 in virtues and swap out contemplation of purity.

I take it you’ve never played a meditation guardian before? Taking a shout or staff on a meditation build is a terrible idea, and so is swapping out CoP.

As for OP, I agree wholeheartedly. Guardian is getting left in the dust, both figuratively and literally, because our only truly viable build left is very easily kited through range and CC.

I take a shout with with my meditation build? :[

Amongst other things Swapping out CoP would be ideal if the classes you face in roaming weren’t so heavy condi based. You can certainly swap CoP in duels, but roaming wise CoP is a must.

Yes, you take a shout with your meditations. Shouts builds take a consecration sometimes too. Open world doesn’t have one setup to rule them all… And if there were one, it really really wouldn’t be a duelling build like meta meditations.
Have neither of you tried a virtues build? 4 in virtues gives you access to a better condition remove than CoP, better because you can use it twice. How many scenarios do you really run into where more than 3 condis need clearing half as often? You also get unscathed contender, a 20% damage buff you can pop during other actions like a nitro boost. You get 20% additional boon duration as well, so all those boons hang around a while longer. Opening a utility slot is just one option though, for sure. Most people are gonna laugh if you argue mediguard needs a buff.. Jus sayin

Pretty much every build has to make this choice. Going 100% damage in every build decision will naturally allow builds that do not a way to avoid you.

Try 4 in virtues and swap out contemplation of purity.

Hmm… No way to get swiftness on guardian you say?
Guardian since launch you say?

sephiroth.4217:

To be honest, I’m not entirely sure why you have celestial in the mix, you could replace your 300 condi damage and add it to your 1800 power which feels extremely low to me…

On that subject, what do other guardians feel like a good power level is?
I try to sit mine at 2200-2300 with no stacks or might

I stay around 1800 power, 30% crit, 180% ferocity. Lots of pack runes in my comp so fury comes steady. I’d love to have my power higher, but I’ve found trying to guardian without sustain from either high healing or AH leads to a severe drop in DPS lol.

I concur about celestial though, it’s usable for dueling… That’s about it.
Cele is the anti-specialist. The whole point of group composition is pairing specialists that harmonize well.

I use both 00464 with mace/shield AND 02066 with sword/focus.
both builds swapping greatsword and staff.

Which variation is group composition determined. For instance, with 2 thieves superspeed from sw/fc-gs is handy. With 2 necros nobodys getting away from anything, so I’ll go mc/sh-staff for heavy support.

Sharpoon.8197:

it was up to the native SoR community which were shut out of WvW throughout all that time to step up and pick up the pieces.

But then guilds in that community left as well later on. lol

So you’re saying that once the usurpers moved on and it was finally the “natives” turn to shine… They straight choked?

Novuake.2691:

Again…

HoT is NOT OUT YET.

WAIT and THEN QQ. Kitten… Since when is it custom to complain about something with almost no information on it>>>>>>?????

^
Latest trend, “I don’t know what I’m getting but I saw the corner of the box and I don’t like the color!”

And lets be honest here, the GvG crowd is 1% of the WvW community, and that’s being generous. The WvW community is 5% of the game’s total. They’re a tiny, excessively noisy sub-culture in Anet’s game which DOES have 2 quite similar pvp experiences they already sanction…

They’ve already gotten Obsidian Sanctum. I mean kitten ..

Prysin.8542:

Another thing about havoc groups that should be mentioned is that IF you opt for having a dedicated healer, then make the group tanky, if not that healer will not heal fast enough, not enough hp and most importantly, if you got slippery squishies, they will just nuke the healer and then kill the ones who cannot sustain themselves.

At least in NA this isn’t so.

The biggest threat to my damage dealers is CC (chill, immobilize, stun, etc). So when building for support, condition removal is paramount with outright damage denial from blocks and blinds rather than recovery (actual healing). So long as they are kept mobile most classes/builds have ways to manage their own health pool… Untill we end up in a GWEN-type area control slugfest.

Vyx, something got borked in the swap. Can’t post from mobile, keep getting an error. During login too. Android on Verizon if it’s relevant

Nsp and ion should just pretend they’re golfing

Nuuuuuu
Back to saying kitten D’:

X T D.6458:

copycat….. T1 NA is not locked, its just organized in a way where servers in it dont have to deal with a constant ppt grind every week and dont have to worry about losing ranking, rating, dropping and going through a server instability.

The non-push weeks are why t2 has grown so much.
Plenty of tiers where people don’t care much, t1 shouldn’t be one.
BG’s show up when it matters attitude makes for a lot of crappy matches

I’d much rather see stomps count for more than rally weakened.

Zerglings ressurecting faster than a stomp can be completed is infuriating.
Instant respawn on double. You lost, take your lap.

How to control when #6 proc’s for a guardian..
As of course the very first thing that happens in any fight is a block, inconvenient.

The reason ts3 is promoted is because each server has a whole server-wide sized one so people can communicate between groups.

But I believe this OP mush not be speaking about NA

Nothing quite as awful as the human female shouts.

Before ranger got buffed and thieves were more common, I used to use shield/mace and greatsword in WvW. Popping a shield 5 in an enemy Shadow Refuge is guaranteed to ruin their day.

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

Mystogan.4157:

has guards had any really bad nerfs like stealth for thieves or meteor for eles?

Technically no, However some of the stuff we had in closed beta & open beta was quite nice before they changed traits/weapon skills around.

It is also why we have a decent number of traits that make you look at them & wonder WTF were they thinking designing this ?

While it wasn’t technically a nerf, once upon a time Pure of Voice removed 2 conditions instead of 1. But even though it was termed a bugfix, it sure as heck does feel like a nerf as I’m limping along with 3 hours of cripple.

Seems like a lot of investment in spirit weapons to only slot 1. Once the hammer dies you’re mostly a weakened version of medi guard.

Mace/Shield is an excellent choice for a guardian in pvp that can rely on his groupmates.

1) High uptime on protection boon.
2) Protectors strike not only blocks for you, but also for anyone inside the spell-effect ring
3) Never look down on an AoE knockback with group heal and ranged absorb.. Shield 5 is awesome.

Mace autoattack I agree is very hard to use and it’s heal unimpressive for time investment.. But, for the most part a guard has better things to do than spam 1 button anyhow.

That’s actually a shortbow shes using, but thank you.