Guild Wars 2

ofc you should play your class with theyr optimal build (like now) but u have more options, some classes have less option than other like the poor necro but elementalist, guard and war for example can play healer, dps, tank and cc
if u wanna play pure dps, and u have the necro maybe you should switch classes (really easy in gw2 for no grind or multiple equip tier), but if u wanna play necro you can choose to play condi or tanky with so u can play your class!! now u cant
unfortunately i’m not accepting everyone like you, when i write the LFG i will lf berserker meta, because like you i dont wanna lose my time, and wipe, but i just hope in a better “meta” allowing player to play all classes with different purpose… i’m tired to do everytime the same stuff, i enjoy in other games to play same content differently, once as dps, once as healer etc etc, it will change alot the gameplay

Miku Lawrence.6329:

I do use it eventually, but I make sure I pick builds and gear I desire for my parties. That won’t change if trinity is introduced (we both know that). I’m underlining the possible worse state of pickup groups and LFG parties after more defined roles are made requiered.

• Example of me using LFG today : Need War, Ele, Thief link berzerker gear. I filter by class, then by gear.

• Supposed me using LFG if a soft/hard/anything trinity is introduced : Need X build X class X gear, Y build Y class Y gear, Z build Z class Z gear. I filter by Class, Utility, Traits and Gear. Having the right gear is not enough now and class Z is not wanted if it uses gear X.

• Example of me using LFG today : Need War, Ele, Thief link berzerker gear. I filter by class, then by gear

i do tha same lfg because of meta, but is unfair with necros or ppl wanna play differently, its “racist” kick or avoid ppl wanna play differently, and u will exclude them from the entire instanced pve game
the example from the “future” lfg if trinity or more supportive build will be came up is
lf one healer one CC one condi one dps…. i dont care if they r necro, engi, war or ele, i just need a role, so EVERYONE can play it, and you dont exclude necros or other not optimal classes, because every classes have some optimal build, and if u allow them to be optimal for content u can enjoy it, maybe a mesmer will be not the tank ofc, but he can play, necro will never be the dps, but will be a really awesome condi-dps

onestly i’m start to think this “new” way will be better than the actual… i’m “lucky” because my main was ele and war (now i play all classes) but i know ppl lefted some classes because they didnt have the possibility to do dungeon, w/o being kicked… i’ve tryed myself joing a “normal” lfg with no requisite, with my necro and i’ve be kicked just because of him in 3 seconds… they even asked me if i can switch character, i have all, so i could..

now gw2 is 10€, try to buy it and lvl a necro (for example), and try to join pug w/o play some meta classes and w/o be known by miku and tell me if u have fun…

i have alot of magic find, and i dont drop anything, my “real” magic find is worse so i dont even try it, i will enjoy video’s from the chosen, just hoping they will releasing this expansion asap

Miku Lawrence.6329:

Lian Olsam.9541:

Miku Lawrence.6329:

I can’t wait to see “GLF X role (DPS/Healer/Tank/CC/Suport) X class X mastery point link X gear stat or kick” and “GLFM X class (no X build or kick)”.
This is not sarcasm, wanna see every LFG user have a toxic behaviour regarding builds and trinity roles.

and what do u care? u already have your speedrun party…. leave it and try to join the ACTUAL lfg, “meta zerk build” “10k+ AP” “no necro” “ele war guard only” etc etc, then you will join it and then wipe because they dont know how to play it….
this is not sarcam, open the lfg try to pug instead play with your friends…. and after 3 years of this, tell me what is toxic regarding your full dps zerk corner meta roles

That’s why I’m happy, I have a speedrun party and will enjoy evey tear of those LFG users that wipe on every encounter.
As someone said, if Trinity will happen OR any “requiered build to complete X”, it will be much worse than just “equip zerk and finish dungeon”.

Inb4 “Sorry we need only one revenant kick this one”.

i dont think will be any difference in LFG tool, i’m using it since they release it, you dont (i’m happy you have your party), how can u talk about something u dont use?

GummiBear.2756:

Lian Olsam.9541:

and dont start with the story about u can do all contents in nomad etc etc, because i dont wanna do a content in 40 min if i can do that in 10, i’d just like to have OPTIONS, to play in a OPTIMAL way with the current system or with the trinity system, so everyone will be happy… play what u want w/o waste your time doing AC in full nomad in 50 hours, when u can do that in 40min with zerk….

multi purpose is the way imho

Im sorry to break it for you but if you want to play in the most optimal way there will never be any options, there always will only be ONE optimal way, no matter what the devs want

that’s why i suggest to have different content!!
i dont say tho change content we already have, its too expensive,i suggesting to to new istanced content (raids, new dungeon, fotm) with the other way, so player can keep play this model or if they want cant join the new model with the new content

more options is the way, play what u want with optimal solutions, different content, different strategy, not ever the same “stack and max dps” then skip mobs etc etc…

i think expansion is the good moment for adding big things w/o revolutioning all content we have, new area, new content, just change the rule inside this new things, make it different, and give the opportunity to ppl to play what they r looking for since release…. if someone dont like some new content is FREE to dont play, for example i hate the farming maps like drytop and silverwaste, i dont wanna farm, i wanna challenging istanced content, so i avoid this content for play others

Miku Lawrence.6329:

I can’t wait to see “GLF X role (DPS/Healer/Tank/CC/Suport) X class X mastery point link X gear stat or kick” and “GLFM X class (no X build or kick)”.
This is not sarcasm, wanna see every LFG user have a toxic behaviour regarding builds and trinity roles.

and what do u care? u already have your speedrun party…. leave it and try to join the ACTUAL lfg, “meta zerk build” “10k+ AP” “no necro” “ele war guard only” etc etc, then you will join it and then wipe because they dont know how to play it….
this is not sarcam, open the lfg try to pug instead play with your friends…. and after 3 years of this, tell me what is toxic regarding your full dps zerk corner meta roles

thefantasticg.3984:

Lian, you’re not going to get you cake and eat it too. It’s gonna be either/or. You can literally play the game now and a soft tank or soft healer. You should find those of like minds and play the content with them. You’ll have a good time, I’m pretty sure about that. Just stay away from the LFG ZERKER posts and everyone will have a good time… But of course, you can play how you want and that’s the trade off. DPS = Less Time. Don’t like it? Tough cookies.

If they leave their current model that Lazaar has pointed out and go to a traditional trinity game I’ll be taking my money and self to other games…

my point is not to destroy actual model, i understand you and other are in love with it, i’m proposing to do other content with the trinity model, so everyone can play content he want… isnt funny play as a trinity party with the current model, spending more time for finish it
i wanna have a different cakes to eat, for dps lover and for trinity lover, so everyone will be happy

runeblade.7514:

“When we wrote the original combat blog post, a lot of people assumed we didn’t want the trinity. It wasn’t an anti-trinity, it was more of a case of “this is how we want to do this type of combat and we want these roles and we want them to be flexible.” not “Hey, we don’t want people supporting!” and so, we want to design creatures that make you want to use Immobilize or design creatures that make you want to use Portal if we can. We have so many tools in our combat system that we want players to think about when they use them.” – Jon Peters

https://toughlovecritic.wordpress.com/2015/03/05/building-a-better-balance-the-future-of-pve-as-far-as-we-know/

Do you guys want a trinity? Do you want the LFG be full of people say “GLF Support!” Since I’m not seeing a discussion, I might as well make it.

yes i want the trinity

i’m bored to care only about dps, and some reflect skills… i’ve played others mmo, and i miss to help ppl with their life, i miss to tank boss or mobs in some way when dps need to be more safer for do this jobs, i miss the range attack…

i miss what it feels to do a instanced content, an kittene, doing your best for keep the party alive, i miss the endscore table when you will see the healers, the dps score… and i’m bored to see (and lf) meta zerk blablabla…

in other games i can do dps, i can do the healer and i can tank, in this game i can only do dps with some little utility for helping party, when the biggest focus is on dps, and the community, is on speedrun, skip everything…

i had more fun with other games, so i really hope to see some content who need trinity…

and dont tell me “go to play this game” etc etc, because i like gw2 and i wanna play it, i’d like to see this game allowing you to play what you want, and dont start with the story about u can do all contents in nomad etc etc, because i dont wanna do a content in 40 min if i can do that in 10, i’d just like to have OPTIONS, to play in a OPTIMAL way with the current system or with the trinity system, so everyone will be happy… play what u want w/o waste your time doing AC in full nomad in 50 hours, when u can do that in 40min with zerk….

multi purpose is the way imho

Khisanth.2948:

Lian Olsam.9541:

i’ve modifyed the shortcut, but i didnt understood what will happen… they will give us a chance to play new content before release or what?

Not at all. It just allows you to start playing the game without fully downloading the patch.

Also it’s an upcoming change so that won’t do anything yet.

so its just usefull for slowest connections? i was thinking about some kind of early access

i’ve modifyed the shortcut, but i didnt understood what will happen… they will give us a chance to play new content before release or what?

ok i’ve done the log and send to your mail, but it seems u cant do nothing (that’s your reply) atm is funny for exaple i have no lag in some content but i have a massive lag in fireheart rise, i cant even log the map now…. but no problem in other maps etc etc… i’ve learned every map, dungeon, spvp map have a different IP, and with the pingplotter test i see the packet loss inside ncsoft server, so that’s the problem guys, now u can solve it or u can ignore it…

now if u corrupt stability it will become fear, what will happen with the change? same as now, or just clean?

The patch just deleted older content i was think they add sab, but they didnt add anything, any news about next days?

I th8nk OP are talking about OPTIMAL options, and i m talking about that too, ofc you can also go inside a dungeon and kill every mob, but alot of ppl find this pointless… why shoudld i stay 30 min in a path if i can do it in 10 min? If someone, like you, have fun and dont care of that, i m really happy, cause u can enjoy the content, but me, and not only me, cant kitten my brain doing something i feel pointless

Rin.1046:

I’ll use your icecream analogy and compare it to GW2 and other trinity based MMO’s:

In trinity based MMO’s you can build for damage, tanking or healing. Three flavours of icecream.

In GW2, you can build for damage, tanking (while not in the tradition sense you can make tough builds), support, control and utility. Then you can mix them all up and make effective hybrid builds. More than 3 flavours of icecream.

There is, and has been for a long time, a misconception that you only need damage in GW2. But need is not what makes GW2’s system better than the trinity system. The thing that makes GW2’s soft trinity better than the traditional trinity is that you do not HAVE to have certain roles in order to do the content. While a damage focused team may be able to clear a dungeon faster, they may not do so well in a conquest match. Different content in GW2 has different effective builds. But at the end of the day, you CAN take ANY build into ANY content and succeed. While in most traditional trinity MMO’s, if you don’t have a healer or tank, you fail. GW2 has opened the doors to many more role options than the old trinity system, and it allows you to play your way without that feeling of ‘we will fail because X role is not filled’.

Many people are still struggling to see this. They think that because damage focused builds can be more effective in many situations, GW2 has only one role. But this is completely wrong. Actually, no, it is completely right. GW2 does only have one role: Your role. Whatever build you take is irrelivant, its YOUR ability to tackle the content that matters not the role you build for. And that is a much better system in my opinion.

r u talking about gw2? try to join a dungeon party with a full healer, full tank, full controll or full condi, and write it, then count 3,2,1 kicked…
put a reflection, mor fury/might share in a berserker build/gear doesent mean have different flavaurs of icecream, but have the same chocolate with a different name…

Btw you have your idea, i have mine, imho there is no trinity but dps only, your opinion is different to mine, doesent care, as i wrote in another topic, have different option allow you to play game we already have and other ppl who dont like only chocolate is the key, so everyone play what they want

Kentrey.3251:

I personally would love to see raids added.

I don’t like it when people say the world bosses are raids because they are not. Just because you have more people doesn’t make a raid. I can literally go to any World boss and just auto and get gold rating and complete it. That doesn’t make a raid.

I’m personally looking for bigger challenges and even more importantly fresher challenges in group content.

Fractals Helps with that a lot but even fractal go fairly stale and hits a roof for when your agony gain starts to fall off.

And for someone like me, who doesn’t need dungeon tokens, Or the little amount of gold that comes from it there is literally no reason for me to do dungeons.

And GW2 has the perfect setup for raids the fact that you don’t need healers or tanks would make for a perfect 10 – 20 man group content. You could make things bigger and better. And raids would make for an amazing feature that would add a lot of meat to the new expansion

I agree with u

Taunt should change a bit the teamfight, but this is not a problem, so dont focus on it, just pay attention for make this game more friendly and polite…
have a gam3 with AP and classes racism isnt good, i m the first one dont wanna a necro in a dungeon, i m the first one wanna play with guys who know how to play the zerk meta, but it s just because atm this is the optimal solution, imho the community focus should be to push the game ina better status where different solution is optimal and where ALL classes are welcome…
Community should focus to suggest how to make 8nmpve the condi build an optimal solutions as zerker is…
So who cares if taunt is god or evil, like everything should be nice for someone and bad for someone else, stop talk abaut that, everyone is right because everyone have different mind!!
Same for trinity, my solution is to give content who allow it to be the optimal way, and content where the optimal way is dps… so everyone will play what they want…

My past in other mmos teached me the best moments is about fun and teamplay, not abaut zerk, trinity or taunt… play with ppl, have fun is the key, so imho the best solution is give the chance to everyone to play what they want…
a dungeon with trinity, taunt, another ine with full dps with no taunt etc etc

Lets focus to make optimal all profession, lets focus to have different content, so everyone can play what they want with the profession they love with ppl will have the same affinity…

This is guild wars, not ‘idea wars’

Lets fight inside the game but, there on forum lets build all together a game will everyone enjoy, not just taunt heater or lover or trinity heater or lover…

Ps. Sorry for my english isnt my language

I agree, never see that in other mmo..
i think in other mmo will help to see the spreadsheet with dps, heal etc etc, in gw2 the only stuff we have is do it faster… so ppl kick just because of AP or role.. meta killed the funny in this game, everything is focussed on speed…
So you will skip mobs, even mid bosses like ac, the only purpose is do it fast…

1 command line
if you have more than X condi dmg you will apply bleed, poison, torment etc etc

So zerk will doesent spamm condi ruin your dmg

I hope it so much..

ahhh ok now i understood it so its about the cast time, not the cooldown

thanks for the answer, but i didnt understood yet xD
with quickness, u do the attack faster, and the opposite should be slow, but with chill u will attack slower too :S

what’s the difference?

i like all kind of news, cause this game need it…
…but this boon it means to me the end of conditions…
i was hoping to have a chance to play condi in pve/dungeon, but now i dont even know if i will can play it in spvp

it seems an silverwaste style expansion, and i dont like it, my hope was about istanced challenging content, but in this expansion the only things i like is the new pvp mode, but is not enough for spend 50 euro… i played dry top for 5 days and silverwaste just for 1, i dont like to farm event i like to do challenging content with friends, so istance…
i really hope to see something like that, because gw2 is the only game i m playing at moment and i like the combact style, but i really hate silverwaste style and JP… and HoT it seems like that…

I disagree, i dont wanna see fractal skin in farmers who buy them without do a single run…. ok for boxes u can choose the weapon

I think a raid content should be designed for more ppl not just a normal dungeon with more ppl… i want raid, but not this way

Anyone know if we will got update before hot or if the game will be freezed till the release? Today should be an update day

I hope it too!!!

i had lag since yesterday night
Server: Seafarer’s Rest
Isp: Telecom Italia
Location: Italy
Time: since yesterday :/

i cant play, i cant even load maps… my connection is ok, tryed with speedtest, other games and website

I understand they need something repetable for the game, but i hope they understand alot of player are lf other stuff… with the same money of expansion u can buy another game… i really love gw2 and i hope to have a good reason to buy HoT, an exapsion could be only a kitten stuff… lets cross the fingers, waiting other news…

TheDaiBish.9735:

Lian Olsam.9541:

When i wrote viable read as optimal ( i m bad with english, sorry)

It’s not your English; it’s more a case that during this topic, everyone says that builds x,y and z aren’t viable, when in fact they mean optimal.

Lian Olsam.9541:

I know about no trinity, but i think the meta we have isnt what they was looking for when they made the game, and after 3 years player need alot of different gamestyle (if players care of gameplay)… onestly now the game offer a full dps/cornern/stack istance and farming maps, not enough for me and for other players…

i dont care about trinity at all, im just looking for different gameplay, maybe more challenging and istanced, i like when i have to mastery my players ability and when i have to coordinate it with other players ( i enjoy it on other games and in spvp here) and i d like to discover other builds like nomad or rabbid.. like i told more option… trinity is just a collaudate idea already know, but if something different will come is ok for me, i m just tired of farming content and full zerk meta

Except you don’t HAVE to play the instances like that.

Why not make your own group where you have dedicated roles, or any gear aside from zerkers? Or truly test youself making yourself level appropriate? I.E in AC, you only allow yourself one trait point and level 30 Green gear?

Them options are still open to you.

To an extent I agree with you; content needs to have variety in terms of mechanics, and I’m a firm believer in Newton’s Third Law; for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction (or in the games case, for every mechanic and tactic there is – or should be – something that works well against it).

However all content – even content specifically designed to give you different options on how to approach it – will always end up with a ‘meta’ that will be optimal that doesn’t give you much in the way of options if you want to be optimal.

You gave a reply for you question, i will no run with green armor with a healer because run in 1 hr a content u can do i 15 min isnt optimal and make no sense, and like the law you told, maybe the solution is make a system gave a multiple optimal solution.. for exaple in spvp you can play condi necro, power necro or minion master… same game more solution.. maybe this is the point, allow player to run different optimal builds

When i wrote viable read as optimal ( i m bad with english, sorry)

I know about no trinity, but i think the meta we have isnt what they was looking for when they made the game, and after 3 years player need alot of different gamestyle (if players care of gameplay)… onestly now the game offer a full dps/cornern/stack istance and farming maps, not enough for me and for other players…
i dont care about trinity at all, im just looking for different gameplay, maybe more challenging and istanced, i like when i have to mastery my players ability and when i have to coordinate it with other players ( i enjoy it on other games and in spvp here) and i d like to discover other builds like nomad or rabbid.. like i told more option… trinity is just a collaudate idea already know, but if something different will come is ok for me, i m just tired of farming content and full zerk meta

TheDaiBish.9735:

Lian Olsam.9541:

I hope to have a necessity to have a full healer in party so we will finish this boring gameplay with full zerk with same purpose… i know about support with walls blind etc but idk i wanna ALSO another gameplay… have more VIABLE options is the right way…imho

You’re right in having more viable options is the right way to go. However, making having a role a neccessity isn’t giving more viable options; it’s simply replacing one ‘meta’ with another.

In order to make having a healer a neccessity, you’d have to have unavoidable damage, and that’s not particualrly a way I want to see the game going.

I’ve always been confused why people want to play a dedicated healer in a game that has always said that they won’t have a dedicated healer role.

I m not a programmer but i dont wanna replace a mete with another one, just have different content so ppl can play what they want…

Have no trinity is a good idea but if this is mean have dps only with some support skill this mean delete tank and delete healer, this is a kind of blind trinity, there is no other purpose than dps.. even condi dmg isnt viable

I think cindi dmg should be fixed, i ve suggested to make possible to appky some condi like bleeding, poison, torment, burning only if your condi dmg is over X zerk cant spam conditions and the condi player can stak all the 25…
And for have a different meta options they should add different content with same rewards, so one dungeon will be trinity friendly and will give u 20 x token, and another one will be current meta friendly and will give the same ammount.. so u can do both or choose what u prefear.. like paths..
imho the manifesto is play what u want with my system u can do that with current u cannot

Sorry for this topic, but i really have bad feelings about new map and adventure… i really hope to misunderstood info we have, but i m really scared new map and content will be just a big farming zone… i have the sensation this game are running on farming way, just repeat over and over events (adventure?) for mats, gold and now achievement mastery and for legendary stuff…
Maybe i m an ‘old kind’ of player (or maybe the opposite) but i like to play harder istanced content with friends and have this kind of challeng mastering my profession ‘reaching’ the perfection, w/o play in a farm maps or do JP or minigame

I really hope to have something for ppl like me in this expansion, and not a big “farmingwaste” map

Thank you and sorry for my english

New skill for what? For farming contents? Imho gw2 need to have some serius istanced challenging content… then u can ask more skils and build diversity, now its just a “farmingwaste”

I hope to have a necessity to have a full healer in party so we will finish this boring gameplay with full zerk with same purpose… i know about support with walls blind etc but idk i wanna ALSO another gameplay… have more VIABLE options is the right way…imho

I hope to found some challenging istanced content for party, onestly i dont care about farming event like silverwaste and the new adventure mode, i wanna play, i dont wanna farm events/adventure over and over… i miss party istanced content i ve played in others game, like highl lvl dungeons and raids… i hope in some fresh air for fractals and other new stuff…
pls dont make this game a grind event/adventure park… i m really scared for this direction

i missed it, someone can give me the short list of news pls?

i’m pretty sure the expansion is already done, but i’d like to wrote my thought about it

i’m writing about new dungeons/raids role (no isnt about trinity dont worry )

i hope this specialization will bring a powerfull and more focussed stuff on classes, so every build can help the party in different way, w/o a condi/boon spam like now we have… for exaple now the condi build isnt available for dungeon (except solo) because of stack limit and condi spam from everywhere, so i hope to see the new weapon/abilities have less spamming boons/conditions, but more focussed and powerfull

for example:

immagine if in the new content u cant apply some condition (bleeding, poison, torment etc etc) if u dont have more than XXX condi dmg, you will be able to have one conditiomancer in your party, and with some new traits/specialization, you can became the master of condition, applying to enemies and provide to cleanse your teamate…. so you will be a good dps DoT and u can support your party

immagine you cant share boon with team mates if u dont take the trait/ability allow you to do that, but if u take it you will be more powerfull than now you do… (the boonmancer? xD )

immagine to choose to be just stronger, you will cant be “conditiomancer” or “boonmancer” but your dmg will be incredibly higher

immagine to choose to be….

….everything you want…. just more focussed on a specialization w/o boon/condition spam….

more option will be avalaible, more fun we will have

:(
ty for the answer

no i’ve done it at release

I’ve done arah story, i’ve cheked now i can start the explorable mode, but i cant see the arah track for pvp… its a bug or arah track isnt avalaible?

do u will do some streaming for describe the features?

Hi guys, unfortunatly i m not home so i cant watch the streaming could u pls make a list of the new feature they are annuncing?

imho rng is a good stuff when u do some kind of progressive content, i remember it in other mmo, it was something “special” when u drop what u want, but ofc it’s also really bad when u never drop what u want.. for example the fractal skin.. imho should be a rng chest, so when u drop it u can choose your favourite skin, is really a bad feeling drop 3 time the same skin (u cant use it 3 time with wardrobe)

a good mix of rng and chest you can choose stuff is a good idea, otherwise with only a token system its just a math, 40time u do the content u will have what u want, a bit boring :p

So the problem is the game is not optimized multicore?

I have an i7 2600k at 4,5ghz and an nvidia 970, with big events like karka queen my fps are around 20 with 50% cpu usage and 45% videocard usage i d like to know how can i improve fps using all my pc power

Ps i use win 8.1 and i use vertical sync at 60hz

i’d like to play it in dungeons with party…
problem is condi stacking, should be nice to apply some conditions (bleeding, poison, torment, burning, confusion) only if condi dmg is more than X, so only ppl with condi dmg stats can apply it

as the topic, i’d like to play condition in pve there is any chance to see condi dmg viable?