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my only purpose with a game is have fun, if i wanna reward i go work
this is gw2 for me, i’ve chose this game because you are not forced to do something 24/24 7/7 for dont be a “looser” and imho they done it really good, but it miss some things other games have… you wrote alot of things and i have the answer for ALL of this but i dont wanna push the topic on this way, will be a neverending discussion i have my ideas and u have yours i dont wanna change yours, difference is ever good, that’s why i’d like to promote it also on gameplay, so EVERYONE can play what they really want, now isnt possible, alot of player say that in game and with alot of topics, so isnt only my feelings, maybe this guys played like me also to other mmo and they know how difference and funny is can play really different with a real different purpose
raids have to be developed by 0, lets try to give to all gw2 players what they want, ppl like u already have the entire game with this mechanics could we hope to have something different for the others?
Great! and you can do that -find people that have fun the same way you do and have at it.
For the majority of players in this game as far as I’ve seen fun= rewards fast.
Or better rewards. Or more rewards. That’s what people want in an MMO.There’s absolutely nothing in this game preventing you from playing exactly how you want except your own vision and ideas.
i dont wanna waste my time using 2x time doing a content with the wrong builds… u dont understant my point of view, i’m not a dumb wanna play something wrong, ofc i wanna use the better stuff for do it properly, but NOW the FULL zerk meta is the faster and i’d like more deeper content than dps everything… btw like someone told (and me in the last post) dont push this topic in the zerker discussion, i just hope devs will take the right decision changing the meta into the raids allowing ppl to play differently as the best choice u can make…
The problem is – as you’ve nicely put it – you want to have your cake and eat it.
You want to play the gear and build that you like even though it’s not what is best for the encounter but still clear the encounter just as fast or nearly as fast as those who are specifically playing in order to do it as fast as possible.
If you play for the “challenge” then taking longer shouldn’t be considered a “waste of time” since it’s what you like and want.
Ultimately you just proved you want the same rewards speed clear people get with less work while roleplaying your favorite set-up.
There’s no right or wrong way to play the game- it’s the way you enjoy it more.
You can’t really expect the game to change and make what you like to play the meta now can you?
problem is, you have the cake and u dont wanna give it to others
my english isnt too good, so maybe i doesent explain properly my idea or maybe we just enjoy different stuff, i feel your suggestion as the game should be like COD go and kill everything… i love gw2 and i wanna more (because gw2 is more), you already have your COD mode in all dungeons and fractals…. give us a slice of your cake pls
i just suggest to make the raids focussed on more mecanics as the example i’ve made some posts ago, so with this mecanics you can play berserker, condition, nomad etc etc, i really doesent understant why u wanna ppl play zerk only or give them a choice to do it as they want doing the same content in the triple of time you wanna punish ppl doesent have your cake… what i’m asking for is a game mode allow players to go deeper with classes and gameplay, as other games do, discovering all the professions faces…
with a new kind of mechanism for example (as i already suggested) some boss or mobs could take a max of direct dmg so be everyone full zerk will be useless, and someone should go for condi (with a different condi stack system) for example some condi like bleeding, burning cannot be applyed on some bosses/mb if your condi dmg is lower than X, so the man who will play condi doesent have to “fight” with the actual bad staking system, and if the new mechanics doesent allow player to be sustained only by his healing but will need someone healing oriented the party will be more various and the gameplay will be various too, during this fight someone with alot of cc could distract other mobs, or someone else can kite them etc etc or other bosses will take less dmg when melee (like a mesmer weapon skills) or when u r not running etc etc…. this is a game i’d like to play, more mechanics, more variety, not just go inside pack and kill, use some reflect and aegis ed win… this is COD not a complete mmo, imho its pretty sad to have a new game like gw2 with less mechanics than older game like others…
my only purpose with a game is have fun, if i wanna reward i go work
this is gw2 for me, i’ve chose this game because you are not forced to do something 24/24 7/7 for dont be a “looser” and imho they done it really good, but it miss some things other games have… you wrote alot of things and i have the answer for ALL of this but i dont wanna push the topic on this way, will be a neverending discussion i have my ideas and u have yours i dont wanna change yours, difference is ever good, that’s why i’d like to promote it also on gameplay, so EVERYONE can play what they really want, now isnt possible, alot of player say that in game and with alot of topics, so isnt only my feelings, maybe this guys played like me also to other mmo and they know how difference and funny is can play really different with a real different purpose
raids have to be developed by 0, lets try to give to all gw2 players what they want, ppl like u already have the entire game with this mechanics could we hope to have something different for the others?
Great! and you can do that -find people that have fun the same way you do and have at it.
For the majority of players in this game as far as I’ve seen fun= rewards fast.
Or better rewards. Or more rewards. That’s what people want in an MMO.There’s absolutely nothing in this game preventing you from playing exactly how you want except your own vision and ideas.
i dont wanna waste my time using 2x time doing a content with the wrong builds… u dont understant my point of view, i’m not a dumb wanna play something wrong, ofc i wanna use the better stuff for do it properly, but NOW the FULL zerk meta is the faster and i’d like more deeper content than dps everything… btw like someone told (and me in the last post) dont push this topic in the zerker discussion, i just hope devs will take the right decision changing the meta into the raids allowing ppl to play differently as the best choice u can make…
hi harper
i dont wanna “destroy zerker” i just wanna have a content with multi gear and multi purpose…. inside the game there is alot of stats, but u will choose only zerk and ptv for other contents… non offence for anet, but i think they wrong something when they had develop dungeons and pve, otherwise why create alot of stats? i never saw all that stats combo in a game, but i will use only 2 (or 3)…
Because no matter how much “variety” there is in the game the bottom line is people will always use what’s best. Because they care about efficiency and getting good rewards fast.
There are many sets in the game and many of them see use in sPVP, WvW and niche areas of PVE.
But for general usage people go with whatever works best. Replacing zerker with something else is the only thing you can achieve by “changing the zerker meta” because in all honesty “multi gear and multi purpose” sounds good in theory but in reality you only want the gear that allows you to get the loot in the easiest and fastest way.You can’t have multi-purpose in an environment where the only purpose is to obtain rewards.
so why use zerker? use nomad and go to do dungeon in gw2 the gear “support” your build/skills, there is no way to use a full dps weapon and traits with nomad,rabbid,soldier etc etc stats, because it will not work properly….
Nomad is perfectly fine for dungeons – you can run dungeons in nomad and complete just fine.
The issue is that I don’t run nomad in dungeons because I don’t want them to take long. I want my dungeons quick and easy so I can get my rewards. So naturally I’ll use whatever gear gets me that.It’s not about the gear not being viable – it’s about my choice as a player.
if no one will give you a powerfull support, maybe one of zerk will go for a support builds+support weapon+support gear, changing his role and his purpose in a full support man
So basically you want the encounter to force someone into the “healer” role but simply didn’t explain it like that.
A full zerker player with traits and skills built for support isn’t a DPS with some support. It’s a full support player that can also keep himself alive without requiring gear that helps him do it.
Full support / Half Support / No Support in this game is determined only by traits and skills.
Also the condi thing exists in the game already – but the CC thing – you have people using CC in the game already.
there is not only players who love speed run, there is not only players who love farming, there is also players like me, who wanna challenging content but wanna also have a fun, and more choice you have more fun u can have, and on top of all you can make happy more ppl, because if u love to do max dps, after this, u can keep your role, no one will force you to play differently, but now others ppl can do it if they want…
Who’s stopping you? Go do dungeons – in whatever gear you want. CC mobs all you want. Go full healing power. Nobody is stopping anyone and the game allows almost any party to complete dungeons.
What I feel you want is to force other people to need certain “roles” so you and like minded individuals feel “needed” or “wanted”. That’s just selfish.
“You can’t have multi-purpose in an environment where the only purpose is to obtain rewards.”
my only purpose with a game is have fun, if i wanna reward i go work
this is gw2 for me, i’ve chose this game because you are not forced to do something 24/24 7/7 for dont be a “looser” and imho they done it really good, but it miss some things other games have… you wrote alot of things and i have the answer for ALL of this but i dont wanna push the topic on this way, will be a neverending discussion i have my ideas and u have yours i dont wanna change yours, difference is ever good, that’s why i’d like to promote it also on gameplay, so EVERYONE can play what they really want, now isnt possible, alot of player say that in game and with alot of topics, so isnt only my feelings, maybe this guys played like me also to other mmo and they know how difference and funny is can play really different with a real different purpose
raids have to be developed by 0, lets try to give to all gw2 players what they want, ppl like u already have the entire game with this mechanics could we hope to have something different for the others?
hi harper
i dont wanna “destroy zerker” i just wanna have a content with multi gear and multi purpose…. inside the game there is alot of stats, but u will choose only zerk and ptv for other contents… non offence for anet, but i think they wrong something when they had develop dungeons and pve, otherwise why create alot of stats? i never saw all that stats combo in a game, but i will use only 2 (or 3)…
you says “Guild Wars 2 was designed to have roles independently of the gear you’re wearing”
so why use zerker? use nomad and go to do dungeon in gw2 the gear “support” your build/skills, there is no way to use a full dps weapon and traits with nomad,rabbid,soldier etc etc stats, because it will not work properly….
i’d like to have some different mechanism inside raids will allow ppl to play it different
if you go full zerk and u have a perfect party but the raid/dungeon mechanics will doesent work (you wipe) if no one will give you a powerfull support, maybe one of zerk will go for a support builds+support weapon+support gear, changing his role and his purpose in a full support man (not a dps with some support buttons to click sometimes), if some bosses/mobs will take for example max 20k direct dmg per second but can take other 20k condi dmg per second, another zerk will go for condi and if during the fight will be other mobs coming from a side and they r unkillable but they are weak on control, maybe someoneelse will play with more cc stuff…. so in this game mechanics go full zerk will be mad, because you need to be a more complete party with a REAL different role and gameplay, not just some click sometimes…
and that’s just an example how can be different the game with different mechanism
ofc players (me on top) will try to find the best and faster way to finish the content, what i’m saying is to write a new contents with this purpose, for have a different and more various gameplay
for the other points you write, you r just writing for content we have, and i’m going forward this concept, trying to immagine another kind of gameplay for give a new life of the game… actually i’m spending more time on forums instead of playing because its all the same stuff since release, and if they add content with same gameplay will doesent give to everyone something for play for the next 2 years…
there is not only players who love speed run, there is not only players who love farming, there is also players like me, who wanna challenging content but wanna also have a fun, and more choice you have more fun u can have, and on top of all you can make happy more ppl, because if u love to do max dps, after this, u can keep your role, no one will force you to play differently, but now others ppl can do it if they want…
From a technical point of view, I am guessing that the reason for a 15 man limit is based on the theoretical maximum size for a party. Any more than 15 players would – I assume – mean that there is not enough screen space to include the health bar of all party members.
I’m not sure the 15 man limit was made up because of screen space. I think the 15 man limit is an estimated size, above which any encounter would start to become dumbed down by the amount of players. For every additional player in the team, less effort is needed per player.
Also all their particle effects would decrease visibility of indicators you need to see.
In my opinion, 10 or 15 players is probably the best size (also makes it possible to combine teams of 5), no scaling and preferably just one raid size (per raid) from the start.As for your talk about the Marionette. I think it would be perfectly fine to have a few (in time) big one-boss raids like the Marionette for bigger raid groups (like the Vault bosses in WoW during WotLK).
i’d like to see different sizes raid like others game, imho one with 8 ppl and another one with 16 whould be great, i dont like the idea i readed in some posts, to split the number of the party, i’d like to be in party with everyone, and if at some point of raid we should split i’d like to do it w/o reform the parties, but just the real life, we r 16 guys 8 will go to eat pizza and 8 will go to eat chinese then lets go everyone at the discoteque, without disbanding our friendship
i also have another little things to say, pls dont insert jp in raid, not everyone will love it, personally i avoid every content with jp, so pls dont force ppl to do something doesent wanna do… stuff like asuran fractal is ok, but doesnt esagerate pls
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about scaling
if will be designed 2 (or more) different istanced raid, should be designed with a defined party size, not variable, as dungeons, u can do it in max 5 ppl not more, so devs doesent became mad with scaling, lets avoid him to waste their time
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Apologise i know this isn’t the format u asked, but i prepared this before
There is my ideas:
Istanced
should be istanced like dungeons, raid isn’t a zerg and gw2 need something new, other game already have it and alot of player miss it
Weekly
i think raids should be weekly, it will feel raids more special and not just another “daily dungeon”
Party Friendly
usually best things is play with guildies/friends, but is important give a chance to anyone to play it, it will also avoid problem with small guilds, so the LFG tool should help ppl to found other players
Reward
ofc, you need something u can acquire only with this mode, i suggesto to dont use mainly RNG but tokens, with raids you should be able to gain armors and weapons skins, good loot and gold (not like fotm :p ) those skins should be something looking like legendary skins, should be also nice gain some gems
raidS
1) i’d like to have 2 party size raids, one with 8 ppl and another one with more
2)i’d like to see some kind of progression, because gw2 lacks of endgame so raids should be
Make everyone happy
(casual/normal players and hardcore players)
2 mode: Normal and Hardcore, difference will be the difficulty and reward, i’d like to have a token system like dungeon, both mode will gave the same token (or a little more for hardcore) both mode will give golds and gems, but more for hardcore scaled with difficulty, if u get your weekly reward from one of this mode you cannot receive it from the other mode, so u dont make this system grindy
every time u finish a raid you will gain a special presence token and after X token you will able to unlock next “tier” (tier should be just a different raid so u will unlock new content with new reward or token?)
Scenarios
i think scenarios should be different from the rest of the game, should be something special,
a gash through the universe will bring ppl in some fantastic universe
Roles
i know someone will love trinity and for other ppl this is pure evil, but i’d like to use other than berserker gear, i’d like to play different strategy then “corner” and “max dps” content and i’d like to “discover” different profession faces, will be really a waste of time and resource make a new content similar to the older… i mean, if i will play my character with the same mode (ZerkDpsCornerSkip) as the rest of the game will be just another dungeon with more ppl, nothing really new….
moreover have a different roles will help players to feel it different from the rest of the game, will allow players to enjoy this new content and allow devs to write different contents mechanics
i dont think will be a problem because the majority of players have alot of characters, and dungeon tokens unspent, so will be really easy buy other stats gear and play
and if someone wanna play zerker only, dont worry all the other ppl wanna try something different will full your party, and u can keep play zerk when other will support you
Someting this game missing is end dungeon statistics, i’d like to have it with some stats, like dps, outgoing healing, death, condi dmg
i know someone doesent like the idea because of elitists, but onestly i saw ppl kick other ppl from the party in cof p1 cause he doesent have 10k ap… i dont think cof p1 or other dungeon need someone with 10k ap or more, this is brainless elitism, because i saw in lvl 50 fotm a guard with more than 15k ap, doesent use his kitten wall of reflection when required… so ap it’s a joke, but elitists just need to find something for be elitist so i dont think end dungeon statistics will change elitism situation
why implement this feature?
1) i’ve saw some excel and also a website calculating max dps output, so ppl can know how is the max dmg of some classes, but if u will go full zerk like meta want but u r not able to play and u will spend half of dungeon downed your dps is lower, so with this stats u can see what u wrong and maybe not skilled player will stop to play meta build they cant play and will find a good balance between his real skills and his build
i think “the meta” ruin alot this game because there is alot of ppl (and if u do dungeon and fotm u know it!!) using meta build but they aren’t able to play it, so if they can compare with others and with themselves they can improve and be a better player
2) i ever found funny have statistics alot of ppl love it, in e-games, real games etc etc
i agree with notrigger posts
i really doesent understood why some ppl are scared about instanced raid… one of the best things of gw2 is you aren’t forced to do anything u want… i dont like www i will dont play it, i will enjoy other stuff.. if someone dont like fractal, agony and ascended grind stuff he can avoid it and enjoy all the rest of the game, if u dont like dungeon u can still play pve etc etcgw2 key is dont force anyone to do anything, so if some players dont like raid just keep calm and play your favourite open zerg…
CDI and devs work should be make this game much complete as possible to make happy all kind of players, and i also have idea for make happy casual players and hardcore players but i will explain my ideas during the CDI, here is not the right place
GW2 was promoted as the Anti-MMO, an MMO where people can get away from the kinds of things you and notrigger are wanting. So much for the grand experiment. Seems like you just want rehashed generic MMO version 35.
gw2 is really different from other games…. i try to explay why…
i play this game since bwe, and in this last months i became bored of gw2, cause there is no real news, so i’ve played alot of other mmorpg but i was really unsatified because ALL games have 2 big pillars
1) farm is necessary, u have to grind tiers and contents for have a tier 1 armor then tier 2 etc etc for be the powerfull player on the planet, so u have to spend alot of time with daily that make you powerfull and “obliges” you to play. gw2 doesent obliges you to do nothing, if i dont play it for 3 months i dont lost tiers or i will became useless, this game keep the player free to live his life and to enjoy contents without be obsessed to vertical progressions. In this months i’m back to an “older” mmo i was playing 3 years ago, i was “pro” in this game, but now my tier was someting like yellow pieces lvl 79 inside fotm 50 w/o agony resistance… ok 3 years is alot of time but i feel it insane, i’ve played my tier raids and they change it, they make it ridicoulous easy, it was really hard in the past and do u wanna know why? read the nexth point
2) F2P or DLC… if player will go faster on lower tier they will BUY expansion will allow them to play higher tier, so you have to buy the dlc or pay the fee… here you dont have to pay anything you dont wanna pay
in gw2 you are free to play what u want or DONT PLAY for all the time u dont wanna play and u dont lose anything, u dont have to make up the time lost for grind something, like fractal, there is agony resistance, and ascended, but if u dont like fractal u can avoid this things and enjoy the rest of the game without be a noob
i feel gw2 a game will make u free, this is the pillar, not anti mmo…. do u wanna play ZerkCornerMaxdpsONLY? nice u have all the dungeons, u wanna something more complicated, organized and with different role? i hope to find it on raids… if u dont like it just dont play it, as i dont play www
i agree with notrigger posts
i really doesent understood why some ppl are scared about instanced raid… one of the best things of gw2 is you aren’t forced to do anything u want… i dont like www i will dont play it, i will enjoy other stuff.. if someone dont like fractal, agony and ascended grind stuff he can avoid it and enjoy all the rest of the game, if u dont like dungeon u can still play pve etc etc
gw2 key is dont force anyone to do anything, so if some players dont like raid just keep calm and play your favourite open zerg…
CDI and devs work should be make this game much complete as possible to make happy all kind of players, and i also have idea for make happy casual players and hardcore players but i will explain my ideas during the CDI, here is not the right place
Why do people want raids I don’t understand. Go play wow. I got this game on release because it was it’s own game.
Raids will have better armor I bet. This is going to turn into every single other mmo. I’m not a fan.
no one force u to do raids, if u dont wanna do it, just dont… why u wanna force me to play wow i dont like it, i like gw2
in spvp i cant stomp the F key doesent appear and if i tap it doesent work
They aren’t going to tell us about anything they are working on until its basically ready to implemented.
Why?
Go browse some of the old threads screaming about how we’ve been “lied” to, “mislead,” or how anet doesn’t “keep their promises.”
They don’t talk to us, because we players make it not safe to do so.
lol are you really blaming the players for anet’s miscues?
Its 100% their fault when they mislead players by getting the community hyped about new things they say they are going to to add only to never see it come to bear fruit.
What other reaction could you possibly expect when you mislead a community?anet had some mistake on that, but he is right, why they should risk something if after sharing some info’s they should listen alot of flame? if i work on anet i will never say anything i’m not sure will be!! indeed i’m not asking for have some strange or secret roadmap… there is alot of months we will have almost nothing but LS, i think some teams are working on other stuff.
for example i remember one anet stream about a new spvp map for capture the flag or something like that, it was alot of months ago, i think they should give us something are working on, and they r pretty sure will be released in the next months…
its pretty sad see alot of players (i’m in this group) have alot of idea, suggestion, and still believe and love this game, become “crazy” because the game isn’t moving forwardAre you suggesting that it’s better to release content and then (when the damage is already done and you can’t go back) hear to the feedback?
Plus you can give feedback on people topics whitout releasing information, in fact, it’s ilegal to release information about some project whitout the leader consensus…
ofc they should talk about what to say or not, i dont wanna someone will be fired for that i dont know how anet works, i just suggest to anet to give something to players for calm down all this bad feelings we have, it’s really sad read ppl will log for do daily or teq then log out, hoping this laurel or something they will drop will help some future content… i’m one of this guys, onestly i was a pvper and i left pvp cause they left pvp, but i still hope they will give us something important in pve and spvp too… i love this game, i love u dont have to farm as other games, i love the graphics, and if ppl will still write in this forum is because they love this game too, and they hope to do something for the game.
with this topic i’m just beg devs to stop this situation and give back the life this game need and give us something, because atm we doesent know anything, and we dosent have any kind of feedback, like i told before, it seems a abbandoned game and player feel like that
i read more and more 3d about endgame, new contents, new spvp mode request etc etc..
i agree with them this game need fresh air (more than elementalists ) btw i dont wanna make the 100000 topic about that, i just wanna ask if u can give us some infos, if u r working on something and more or less when we will see some news (when is ready ).
there is some months we dont see you active in forum, only few and “no info” reply..
could u give some freshness to us giving something? i feel alot of “furstration” and “sadness” about this situation