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It’s kinda funny the way BP acts sometimes. If they lose, it’s always with the excuses. “Oh, you didn’t fight us at our best. We were queue bugged.” “Oh, you didn’t fight us at our best, we’re taking the week off. I mean, took the week off, since you’re learning this after the fact.” “Oh, you didn’t fight us at our best, you had an alliance.”
And then you guys are actually winning—for whatever reason—and act like, well, this?
Shameful, really. I guess we all better hope BP never becomes a bandwagon server or they’ll be the most insufferable server in WvW.
What’s with BP anyway? All these zerglings who jump, laugh or dance after they zerg me down, but then mumble something about server v server or BP beating EB when I ask them for a GvG.
Are people really that afraid of losing and / or being made aware of their own shortcomings?
Well, you know how it is. Some people and servers get physically aroused at the idea of not good fights, but at easy wins. That’s why we had such a mess in Season 1 with servers tanking everywhere and people stacking numbers.
Seems strange that there’d be quite a few on them on BP, since there are easier-win servers out there (like FA).
Maybe all their fairweather puggles are coming out since they’re actually winning this time?
One thing’s for sure, though. BP needs to get laid.
Dear BP (and to a lesser extend, SBI),
Stop being so rectally injured.
Sincerely,
Everyone ever
Ebay, now accepting bandwagoner transfers. Must have legendaries (not used, because you’ll be giving them to us to allow you to play on our most beloved server). Send me 100g and I’ll put in a good word for you.
Bay is (much) easier to take than Hills, though. Where do you think YB’s Omega Golem karma trains hit first?
This is one of the most true things ever about YB. We love Hills.
You may have your Hills, your rolling, voluptuous hills. But Ehmry Bay has the best kind of bees. Scary bees. Ghost bees. Boo bees.
I really hope that at some point we lay back a bit on BP and let them get a bit of a foothold to make this match fun for everyone . Karma train is not the answer. They are good for leveling alts, and some pve peeps to learn bad habits in wvw, but they are not fun to play. I was actually very happy yesterday when EB smashed 3 of YB karma trains. Was well done and I am sure taught valuable lessons to the train people.
I do agree that we can all have a day or two at the end where we can do karma trains and such, but not the whole week. EB is a good example of solid defense this week, and hopefully a good place to practice offense for our groups.Lion of the Wind
SoCo
Actually, I was thinking of the last day (or maybe last day and a half for people with funky scehdules), not starting now.
Just an idea, to show that no matter how much we may dislike one another, that we’re still GW2 players and there’s no sense being a Richard and denying people a chance to get their achievements, especially if they actually tried to help out in WvW.
Could it be abused by some dumb PUGs who only show up the last day for achievements? Sure, but who cares about them. Not like they’ll WvW after leagues anyway.
Just maybe an idea the commanders on the servers could mull around over the week.
I do like the idea of punishing bandwagon servers…
I thought you guys were transferring to, if I recall, AR after leagues?
Well, regardless, you guys were always a great matchup. Pretty much SBI’s most dangerous guild.
This is kinda odd. How would you chose a real commander of the year? People will only vote on commanders they know (the ones on the servers they play on). There is no way to compare commanders from other servers. If I only know a few commanders (not even all of them) on the 1 of the like 30 servers there are, I can’t really accurately select “the best”
Not to mention it’s easy to call commanders great when certain servers have basically had easymode matches at least 5 weeks out of the league, if not all 7 weeks.
Overall, yes, but the amount of QQ generated by the SBI/YB/EBay matchup was worth all the unbalanced, awful, nightcapping, supply cheating, hacking, poor sportsmanship BS.
Imagine playing WvW, except the enemy has twice as many people as you and your side doesn’t get to use supply. That is this week for SBI.
That’s every week for us (Ebay).
Welcome to our world.
Your server beat the crap out of servers for several weeks and you are complaining about getting beaten one week. You aren’t tough enough to play on BP and should really consider yourself lucky you aren’t on IoJ or NSP.
IMO the tough guys of this matchup and the ones who should get the big chest is IoJ and NSP servers who marched on through this league significantly out numbered. How would you like to wake up with backed up to your legendaries and rebuild every day from that start?
FYI, they didn’t like it at all.
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For zergs? Prolly half should be frontline (guardians/hammer wars), a quarter should be ele’s for water fields and CC. After that, you have the misc classes—3-4 glamour mesmers for veils, a bomb kit engie for blast finishers (for water), a necro or two—such as a well necro and a healer necro that follows the front line in. After that, a thief or two for various midline duties.
Honestly, though, it doesn’t matter what your comp is if your positioning sucks.
All this whining from BP actually is making me want to do a last day alliance, just like we did to SBI.
After all, if they’re gonna whine either way, may as well give them something to whine about!
Although, I’d rather all three servers set aside their differences and accept a sort of cease fire, so those we haven’t gotten the meta achievements (somehow), can. Maybe just have a karma train day in EBG or something.
What people may not know, and this is actually very hush-hush info that I’m sure will lead me to get banned from the forums and ostracized on my server, but I cannot take it anymore.
The fact of the matter is that, yes, last matchup against YB and SBI there was an alliance.
It was just with YB and SBI.
You see, that last day, where Ebay finally overtook SBI in PPT? Well, the dailies that day were for repairing and capping, y’know how that is. So what Yak’s was doing was just knocking down SBI walls so SBI could repair and get their dailies. SBI responded by allowing them to knock down their walls, so YB could finish their meta achievements.
We just happened to show up and walk through the holes in the wall before SBI could repair them. It’s no one’s fault, really. We weren’t aware of any alliance that day. We certainly didn’t mean to upset SBI to such a degree. I assume that YB thought that SBI would just retake the stuff, so YB moved on to the next structure to knock down.
So, really, there you have it. People should be congratulating Ebay for pulling one over on two larger servers. But nope, we have to be insulted and mocked, just because of some petty jealousy. It’s really quite sad.
And, really, with the way BP is acting, it doesn’t really make us look like the ugly girlfriend. It makes us look like the head cheerleader. The bride, to BP’s bridesmaid.
Now, now, BP, you’ll never be a bride like us if you keep giving it (your borderland) up to every young gentleman caller that ram their way past that gaping opening you call a gate.
It’s kinda interesting where people draw their lines at lately.
I mean, obviously SBI is fine with PvDooring, bandwagoning, and zerging servers with four times their numbers, and winning Coverage Wars against empty servers.
But suddenly, a 2v1 is totally and completely out of line? Really? SBI was predicted to win this matchup, so in reality, the bottom two servers are focusing the ‘top’ server. This is a design that Anet relied on when making WvW in the first place.
So, really, just stop complaining. 2v1’s suck, but it’s no different from fighting a server with literally twice your numbers—which Ebay has fought for the past, ohhh, six weeks?
Everyone in this matchup knows SBI can put the bodies on the ground. Heck, yesterday, they managed to muster a huge force that pushed BOTH YB and EB hard, out of their lands and took them to 300+ PPT.
So, really, SBI, what you’re feeling now is what your opponents in Silver League have felt every time they’ve fought against you (with the exceptions of YB and FA).
So…yeah. Welcome to our world. Hope it’s taught you a bit of empathy.
Goldiy. It’s not even really a competition. Here’s a guy that spends hours a day, tons of his free time, playing WvW. He’s never left his home server, is friendly and respectful to everyone, even the really, really stupid people that come on our forums and make an kitten out of themselves. We’re talking about someone so beloved that GH got together and gave him a legendary Juggernaut because he spends so much time in WvW, he hasn’t been able to farm it.
In a land where transfers are the rule of thumb, in our minds, it’s not the skill that makes a Commander great, it’s that commander’s tenacity and dedication, and Goldiy has it in spades.
Not for nothing Anet listened to both halves of the community on this. Some screamed “NERF into the ground” others said “it adds build diversity.” So kudos. And those who are still screaming bloody murder are idiots. A question was asked and not yet answer among all the stupid frothing: does the confusion duration work now?
Being able to make an excessively powerful build out of ‘one thing’ is really, really stupid.
It’s just dumb, like making a build completely focused on a single skill—like, say, rifle shot or 100b.
That’s my problem with perplexity. Runes and sigils should enhance and support, not be the sole focus of an entire playstyle and build.
One of Anet’s biggest excuse for the population imbalance in WvW is that the two weaker servers are supposed to focus on the bigger one.
This whining you’re doing on the forums about a perceived alliance, SBI? It’s WvW working as designed.
Sometimes you lose. Sometimes WvW isn’t fair in the other way (meaning YOU are the one that gets zerged down, if you guys can recall that feeling). Heck, sometimes you even face an opponent that can queue 3-4 maps in WvW whenever they feel like it, and literally have more players than their opponents combined.
That’s just how it is. Get used to it or stop playing, because, frankly, the people who have been on the low end of matchups—pretty much anyone not YB, FA, or SBI in silver—are kinda tired about hearing it. It just makes you look like a pack of spoiled brats to servers like NSP or IoJ who well and truly got screwed by the league system.
This is, of course, to ‘those’ types of people who probably won’t take the advice to heart, but the forums do show that there are SBI folks who don’t have their feet surgically implanted in their mouths. To which I say good fights.
I have a feeling SBI is going to get unbandwagon’d after leagues, if only because Anet is probably going to do the four tier league next time, resulting in SBI facing the current bottom-half gold opponents and FA/YB from silver. If all the numbers remain constant. Which they won’t.
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Two points,
One, T1 must be a dreadfully boring place if that video is any indication. I mean, really, all you did was staff guardian, hit your utilities, but mostly spam 1. Is that what it’s like up there? Good lord, how can anyone stand that nonsense?
Two, I’d refrain from making a video like that in the future. Not only will it make everyone in this matchup (which isn’t even in your league) point and laugh at the ridiculousness of T1 ‘combat’, but all it does is make you look petty.
Oh, look. A mouseclicking zerg-guild guardian video. Never seen one of those before.
I liked that part at around 2 minutes where he and a large group of players chased a small group of people all the way into a jumping puzzle on a reset night rather than being useful in more relevant parts of the map.
Well, you know how it is, Menorah. Reset night comes and goes, and about 3 am or so rolls around, when it’s PvDoor all night, you go for whatever easy kills you can get.
It’s not like all of us haven’t been chased for three minutes across a map just so thirty people could get a stomp on one person.
We’ll ehmry bay teamspeak just suffered a nice little ddos attack. Thanks to those involved for clearing our teamspeak if idlers.
Yeah, I have a feeling it’s going to be one of those matchups.
Yesterday, in IoJ (which FA primarily controlled), some kitten engie was under the map, alternating between griefing our group by grenading them then following to keep us in combat, or reporting our locations so just ‘coincidentally’ a large group would appear nearly every time we tried to lay siege to something.
It’s really sad that some people feel the urge to resort to these sort of tactics in a predetermined matchup. I expected more from FA, but I suppose that easy wins turns a server into pudding. And not good pudding, like chocolate. Bad pudding, like that tapioca kitten.
I guess that’s why Ebay is the best server out there for WvW.
I wasn’t in EB, but are wipes against militia groups ever worth bragging about? EBG had a 1-2 hour queue all day and I never heard of any guild groups getting in together so… congrats on that. If you wanna try your luck against other tagless guild groups, you might wanna try a BL. Just sayin.
Yeah, this excuse is not going to work with us. Don’t like the queue? Change servers. FA’s already gonna win the coverage league. When your ‘guild groups’ run in numbers or 20-30+, you’re probably not going to get in. It’s week three or four of the leagues, most of the achievement chasers are gone, at least I imagine for FA that can have easy matches and the ability to do pretty much whatever they like during most hours in the day, so in theory, the remaining FA in WvW should know a little something about WvW, right? Well…
Guess it’s a good thing you guys got coverage.
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Ehmry is like the League of Shadows.
We trained Batman, and we are led by Liam Neeson.
We are now accepting guild applications.
It sorta is impressive the amount of kittening SBI is putting out, considering their zero effort win in this matchup.
Careful, though. As a bandwagon server with an admittedly poor average player skill that comes from it, there’s only bad things in your future when the next big easy win server comes along (and from what I understand, it might not be that easy against FA or YB).
At any rate, players on Ebay don’t question when a Mesmer has a portal inside a keep. We have so many good mesmers and Mesmer/thief combos that can hide inside that it really doesn’t enter our mind that there’s anyone that hacks. In fact, we’ve never been accused of it until this league nonsense started, so if you’re really offended by it, Ebay emphatically encourages you to report them. After all, we don’t condone it, we don’t like it, and we’ll appreciate it having a few less hacking sacks of crap achievement chasers out of our hair.
I remember an age old adage from StarCraft days.
When the enemy’s trying to get cute with you, just go over there and kittening kill them.
I’m so glad people from bandwagon or bloated population servers, people who grinded out ascended weapons the first days they were introduced for that 10% advantage, people who roam around in 5-10 man gank squads looking to pounce on solo people, PvE commanders, and so on are here to tell me that I should just buck up at the glaring flaws in WvW. After all, they don’t have a problem, so why should the rest of us complain?
WvW is assymetrical warfare. We get it. Thank you. It shouldn’t be fair. Thing is, maybe if there was a bit of fairness when you took all four maps into account, that might make things, I dunno, more fun?
Hell, I don’t particularly care about fairness, but how about a chance? In the league matchups, some servers have absolutely no chance to beat other servers for no other reason than coverage or numbers.
I get that some players get aroused at curbstomping people who essentially cannot fight back. I understand that’s why they play WvW instead of, say, PvP where there’s a relatively easy playing field or why they don’t PvE to get their jollies, because respawning mobs can’t cry.
But, really, where’s the fun in fighting a side that has absolutely no chance against the other? More importantly, where’s the point?
To all SBI complaining about queues, the transfer server button is thataway.
You call that a zerg?
We’ll show you a real zerg >:)
-Love FA
Are you…are you bragging about a lack of skill?
I love how it’s always BP crying about our numbers and not Ebay.
We’re used to being outnumbered. Even when we face the weaker servers, Ebay still usually has an uphill battle at least some of the time around the clock since we have poor overall coverage, though still manage to maintain middle silver rankings despite it.
Also, most of our grandstanding players have bandwagon’d off to other servers, usually somewhere in T1 or FA or something.
Lastly, we’re all just having a good time, and it’s fun knowing BP is sharing our misery. Most everyone in Ebay enjoys Kalkz’s amusing antics and the lovely image of zara getting stomped by YB zergs over and over.
If YB and BP wanna get mad at each other and focus solely on the other, we’ll gladly take advantage, though. The faster we get those PvE scrubs their achievements, the faster we can get to working up the new people who actually want to stay in WvW.
It’s not the PvEers that bug people, it’s those PvEers that do. They’re the types that run their PvE commander tags alongside the WvW commanders that actually WvW’d before that very day, so there’s a whole glob of commander tags at the same location.
It’s the types that run with a zerg that see one lone thief and decide to all run off after it.
It’s the types that act belligerent and wonder why they (or anyone else) should follow a commander at all. After all, they’re just there for easy achievements.
In short, it’s not the PvEers that people dislike. It’s the people who would be unpleasant in any format, but since they’re now present in WvW in such large quantities, are easily picked out, and aren’t afraid of expressing their opinions about those folks that don’t understand how much more lucrative PvE farming is, well, they sort of all get clumped together.
In short, it’s not the new players, it’s the dolts who are too ignorant to know how little they know and the fact that they don’t care to learn. After all, in two or three weeks, they’ll be back to farming for ascended crap or whatever Anet adds next on the gear treadmill (presumably, ascended armor).
It depends on your definition of ‘best’ is. And what your time zone is.
For example, if you like running in a huge blob at all hours and being able to pretty much auto-win whoever you face (except for your contemporaries), you should join FA or SBI (or maaaaybe YB), as they have the largest silver populations, and are expected to be the top three.
If you like being completely outclassed in all areas simply because you don’t have the coverage, join one of the bottom servers, such as NSP who do have a large population and good fighting spirit…for bronze league.
If you like a server with hilarious coverage inequality, join Ehmry Bay. Quite strong NA coverage (at least, when we don’t have PvE people acting as rally bait), but whose off hour coverage, while made up of dedicated people, is about as useful as damp cardboard against anything anyone in Silver can put out if they put their minds against it.
If you want to be on a server that everyone hates (arguably even the old timers who play there), join NSP. It’s not the server, you see, but the most infamous person in WvW supposedly resides there, and everyone would just love to show him what they think of his policies.
- I’m from Ehmry Bay, myself, and I quite like it. It’s not the most winniest server out there (because we all know that coverage=wins), but it has the best, most fun, interesting, cat giffing, cowcatting group of foul mouthed fun-lovers in WvW. Ebay also has the most active server forum in the game, and its own public teamspeak.
i’m getting zerged by 20+ in the ruins that you own man kitten can’t u do anything better with your zerg? like take a keep?
Silly. YB can’t build trebs in inner keeps with just twenty people. You’re being silly.
EBay generally doesn’t HAVE twenty people (to spare).
And BP…well, why isn’t BP taking them keeps?
Personally, I’m finding this matchup kinda boring. Not because of the teams, because it’s same ole, same ole there. It’s just that there’s a butt-ton of PvE-ers around (and even worse, PvE Commanders) who clearly don’t give two craps about WvW or the people who do it.
Then there’s the large amounts of skill lag. Even when a monster zerg isn’t around, we’re getting skill lagged.
And then there’s YB’s conservative play. Yes, I’m aware that it’s nice and safe building siege as far away as possible with trebs and cata’s, while defending with 3x+ more numbers than the defenders have, but gosh golly gee is it boring.
Though when the stars align and there’s no skill lag, and we meet out in the open field, it’s pretty fun. I’m hoping that after a few weeks when the majority of the achievement chasers get what they want then go back to farming for ascended weapons or the upcoming ascended armors, things will settle down.
If anyone is “pretty mobile”, it’s not the guardian. It’s hard to chase a warrior, thief or elem these days, certain not guardian. vice versa, as a guardian, I can’t remember the last time I successfully pursue a running War or thief or elem.
Well, Anet has stated that they like certain classes to ‘commit’ to action. As in, once you’re in combat, you’re stuck there. The Necro is one of those classes. I suppose the guardian is one of the others.
Of course, when you think about it, almost every profession has to commit to combat. Except thief, obviously. Warrior too, usually. Maybe /D ele? Most other professions have to get exceptionally lucky to break combat, unless they’re, say, fighting a Guardian with no swiftness and no gap closers.
This matchup is horribly unbalanced. If we have more match ups like this i won’t play anymore.
You may as well stop playing now then because that’s the nature of the beast.
You know how Ebay is dominating the match right now? Well, Ehmry has one of the lowest populations* in the Silver League. What EBay is doing to you right now is what all the other silver league servers are pretty much going to be doing to us. Hell, it’s what YB did to us last week.
*-Our population is pretty competitive and large in NA prime time, as we can usually keep fairly healthy populations across two maps. However, our off-hours coverage is woefully lacking, and since coverage is the only thing that matters…you get the point. We usually do quite well on the weekend, but when Sunday night rolls around into Monday and we all have jobs to do…
We get awfully bored having to retake all our stuff every morning. At least we’re not being kittens about it and fully upgrading everything then slathering it with siege, unlike some servers.
I’ll give you an idea of what it’s like—the current matchup is more ‘balanced’ and ‘interesting’ than the matchup between the bottom Silver League and the top silver league will be.
EBay’s first matchup is supposed to be against BP and YB, so at least we’ll be suffering with you guys in about three or four hours.
A lot of crying about warrior mobility recently. So I will clarify. War has to use a greatsword to have pretty much any mobility. Greatsword is literly a 1 trick poney. You have to stun/immobilize your enemy and prey to the heavens there stupid enough to stand there while you hundred blade and not stun break blink bow hop hit immune mist fear etc….
MH Sword says high. The increased mobility is one of the reasons it’s one of the current weapons for zerg based warriors (and a lot of warrior builds in general outside of the now nerfed skullcrack 100b).
Fact of the matter is, I’d simply love to have some of these mobility skills get the same treatment as Ele RTL (which is on a 40 second cooldown if it doesn’t hit an enemy—as in, do damage, it will go on 40 sec c/d if it hits guardian aegis, for example). So you heartseeker and miss, cooldown. You rush and don’t actually target anything? Double cooldown.
GS is already such a hilariously ineffective weapon in WvW that it won’t matter anyway. *For warrior.
Frankly, as someone who’s fought both NSP and Kaineng recently, I can say that out of the two, NSP is definitely stronger. Don’t get me wrong, Kaineng can put out some pretty respectable numbers at times, but they’re fairly inexperienced.
NSP has a lot more people who seem to be a lot more serious about WvW. Not to mention they may be bandwagon’d to simply because they seem to have caught something from SBI that somehow gives them ridiculously easy matches.
As for XOXO, if you guys want to scout out some servers, we liked you well enough in Ehmry if you want to stop on by. There’s a day when Ehmry stops fighting, but it’s not today. (It’s Monday.)
Should’ve seen Whirlpool before it got nerfed. You popped that under water, and it didn’t matter your spec. Up to 5 people were dead, period.
I feel bad for you Ebay, because as you guys have probably experienced it’s going to be an absolute ghost town out there.
I don’t know about Kaineng because as a former bandwagon server, it’s really hard to judge what’s normal for them, but HoD is actually putting out a fair amount of people. It’s surprising all of us on EBay, really. We sorta expected Kaineng to be putting out people, given that they’re what, like 5 ranks above HoD?
Regardless of their skill or population level, HoD at least still has the balls to keep going. I like ‘em. It’s really surprising they’re not ranked higher ’cause they can really put out the people.
Well, we’re all still playing elementalist, right?
I’m an Ele, although they nerfed Rtl, I don’t see a huge problem with it, just don’t start off with Rtl to close the gap, it’s a predictable move to all opponents now.
And with regards to mobility, change to Staff and use Air 4, then change back to whatever weap set you were using. However if you’re a bunker build (with those Boon duration runes) there’s no way you should be complaining about the lack of swiftness.
The problem is, when you stop playing ele and go to nearly any other class, you realize how freaking insane the elementalist’s ‘mobility’ really is—how much is sacrificed for something that performs substandard anyway.
Warriors have insane mobility, both in combat and without. Hell, the greatsword itself is more mobile than anything the ele can come up with. The thief likewise has an insane amount of mobility and can actually beat a warrior in a foot race. The Mesmer has arguably the highest amount of in combat mobility (which is balanced out with pretty crappy out combat mobility).
I don’t see Anet doubling the cooldown for rush or savage leap if a warrior misses. I don’t see heartseeker costing double initiative if it misses. RtL nerf was, frankly, a malicious and unwarranted nerf. Not only was the cooldown increased by a ridiculous amount but it was shortened as well.
NSP doesn’t seem to be throwing the match, at least.
They’ve actually got a pretty significant number presence, especially in the evening. Hell, NSP has curb stomped YB several times that I’ve seen when YB was running their large zergs.
Anyway, if NSP stays in the bronze league, I can imagine it will suck really, really hard for the rest of the people there. NSP actually has the numbers to compete in silver league, and they will most likely receive a massive influx or transfers Oct 17th if it looks like they’re going to be at the top of the bronze bracket.
This thread is just funny to read coming from the perspective of a Mesmer.
No non-Mesmer really gave a crap when Confusion was stomped into the ground, and confusion is a Mesmer’s primary source of condition damage—really, it’s the Mesmer’s only reliable way to apply it.
And yet, when someone talks about nerfing perplexity, every thief, warrior, and engineer comes out of the woodwork to defend it.
A significant problem with perplexity is now it gives certain professions access to confusion when they didn’t need it, at least not in the way perplexity applies it. Engineers and thieves already had powerful condition spec’s (and could and do usually go tanky because they don’t rely entirely on precision to generate extra bleeds), and perplexity allows them to cover the confusion condition with other, lesser conditions to make cleansing hard.
As for the warrior, well, a warrior can have approximately six interrupts from their weapon bars alone and all on relatively short cooldowns. So a class with up to six interrupts on short cooldowns, who does big damage, 400 hp/sec regen, loses conditions with each burst skill, who can easily keep 15 seconds worth of big confusion on you…yeah, you should just wait it out.
It’s ridiculous that perplexity runes are better at applying confusion than the class the condition was supposedly built to service.
Probably Soldier’s gear (P/V/T, also known as Invader’s) with a sword/warhorn (for leap, decent damage, and blast finisher on warhorn) and hammer for control.
The exact build you want to use depends on your playstyle and team composition. You’ll most certainly want the warbanner elite as it’s almost essential in zergs to instant rally people. Other than that, there’s banner and shout builds to consider.
Evade is invulnerability, both make it so you take no damage. Except if you are talking about the cannon from skyhammer and I’m guessing other siege weaponry.
I’d rather have evade spam than three secs of invul on a 180 cd. Who do you think mitigates more damage?
Evade and Invulnerability are pretty much the exact same mechanic with a different name.
Evade is different than invulnerability and significantly weaker.
Evade will not help you against certain attacks, like the final Jade Maw attack or the aforementioned skyhammer. Invulnerability will (last I checked).
Likewise, evasion will not save you against Retaliation, which is a big deal for some classes, like when the Mesmer had its Blurred Frenzy nerfed from being invulnerable to being an evade.
Block, Evade, and Invulnerability may behave similarly but there are significant differences between them.
People say that this class/build is dead but I ran into a D/D ele today in WvW and she flat out destroyed me and 2 other players. This was on my Warrior, Thief and Mesmer. I was simply amazed on how skilled of a player she was.
I find this hard to believe. Were you all upleveled or something? Were you not running cons while she was? Were you in blues and greens? Were you all just running really crappy builds?
I mean, I don’t want to sound mean or anything, but there’s simply no way you should have been destroyed by that—the warrior, thief, and Mesmer are among the strongest WvW classes, and any single one if built right should be able to completely destroy a perfectly played elementalist. Heck, apart from a few bursts, the elementalist (especially D/D tanky roamer types) has trouble out damaging the Warrior’s healing signet.
Here’s more likely the incoming buffs:
“Fiery Greatsword: Removed unintentional bug resulting in too many stacks of damage when used against a blocking surface such as a well.
Lightning Hammer: Reduced damage on Lightning Swing and Static Swing but increased damage on Thunderclap to maintain near equal DPS. Damage on Thunderclap damage reduced 75% but given a 25% buff against foes not suffering a condition.
Lava Font: Reduced Lava Font damage 18%."
What happened to the Elementalist’s heavy long-range nuke viability back in GW? Glass cannon elementalists in GW used to be able to take down entire groups of PvE mobs amazingly fast (often offset by the tradeoff of significant cooldowns), and in PvP, Elementalists could actually be a force to be reckoned with.
To be fair, the Elementalist was pretty awful in high end GW1 PvE. For years, the only meta build was as a healer that abused one elite. This was mainly attribute to creatures in hard mode having ridiculously high elemental armor (thus reducing ele damage to pot shot status) while the main damage dealers—ritualists, warriors, and assassins had a crapton of ignore armor damage.
At any rate, during the beta, the ele staff used to do high amounts of damage, but Anet has recently taken a stance of “AOE BAD” so I assume that all non-melee, ranged AOE attacks will eventually suffer the same fate as the staff.
If we’re lucky, elementalist will get a long range, single target weapon (hopefully two handed) that can either be played as a power weapon or as a desperately needed condi weapon.
It’s funny reading at some of the skills comparison, we are suppose to be a support class, but our aura need to be traited to actually offer group support, while other classes get short CD support and and group support.
Makes you wonder the process Arenanet goes through for their so called balancing.
No. We are not supposed to be a support class. All professions are supposed to be able to DPS, defend, or support as well as any other.
Heck, the elementalist profession description even mentions something about doing high damage in a single attack to make up for toughness.
Anet trying to shoe-horn elementalist into a support role is one of the reasons ele is a joke of a class.
The two aspects of the game in which elementalists even approach something like desirability are in WvW zerging and possibly DPS in dungeons. The first is pretty much solely attributed to our fields. Elementalists aren’t desired at all—it’s their fields people want. And in dungeons, the most effective build for elementalists is…to play gimmicky conjured stuff and pretend to be a warrior by abusing lightning hammer or FGS.
Elementalists were the only profession that didn’t have a showing at the recent tournaments. That should tell you what the state of the profession is in.
There are other classes besides Ele? o_O
Ranger in GvG, WvW zerging.
But other than in that specific instance, no.
Also, necros are investing 30 points into a traitline “just” to get 4s (2s in sPvP) of burning every 10s and we all know how powerful it is.
Burning is also pretty much the most damaging condition.
And it’s important to necros because it counts as a cover to their other conditions.
Confusion is pretty much the Mesmer’s only condition that they can apply themselves outside of sigils. Other conditions rely on clones, either critting or hitting or dying.
Seeing as how Anet gutted confusion damage then put the most powerful confusion generator on a freaking rune, which mesmers traditionally use for movement speed, it’s a bit of a kick in the pants Taking that ability off the runes and then sticking them on a trait…with a 30s cooldown, would be anotherkittento the Mesmer class.
Especially since our main condition build is about to probably be nerfed with the limited boon duration stacking nerf.
I would be ok with an ICD, if they changed the way ICDs on sigils/runes work with respect to AOEs.
Right now, if you use an AOE ability that hits 5 players, and interrupt all 5 of them, an ICD would limit perplexity 6/6 to only effect 1 of those players. Once it came off cooldown, you could again only effect a single player before it goes on cooldown again.
I feel like all ICDs should allow AOE abilities to effect their max targets, THEN go on cooldown. So for the example above, when you interrupt those 5 players, all 5 of them get the confustion stacks from perplexity 6/6. THEN it goes on ICD and you can’t trigger it again until it’s off cooldown.
That would limit the spammability for classes like Thief and Warrior, but still allow an AOE interrupt like Temporal Curtain to provide the max effect.
The thing about this is, extrapolate it to other aspects of the game. Imagine immortal builds who can zerg dive and never be killed because they can steal health at an incredible rate. Imagine people dying as Fire Blasts chain off each other.
What about attacks that stagger their hits? An example would be iBerzerker, which doesn’t hit all its targets at the same time. I’m not sure it applies, but it’s an example.
At this point, I’d rather they stick to the formula and try to buff up the professions instead of finding new and exciting ways to screw things up.
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