Guild Wars 2

Blade.9317:

Score update brought to you by Feisty:

Fiesty (loud voice): “Those lazy good for nothing Golems never do a darn thing around here. They all should die under a pot of burning oil!”

Other guy: (making “no no no stop” gestures and showing fearful eyes)

Fiesty (in a whisper): “They’re right behind me aren’t they”

Zen.8497:

Anyhow, I’m glad if they transferred without paying the fee.

From what I remember reading on our forums, not everyone did. The server moved to High before they could get everyone over. Anyways, the point I was making is that ET WAS Medium, and free to transfer to, at the time they made their decision. What happened after that is irrelevant because the decision was already made at that point.

Zen.8497:

Actually, it seems that none of the N/A servers are quoted as medium population servers including Eredon Terrace.

ET was Medium when FoE made the decision and started to transfer. At some point during the week it moved to high probably due to incoming players.

Jahn.7019:

I doubt this is really BGs last hurrah but if it is then what a way to go.

In actuality this is probably just certain players and guilds overplaying to settle the masses and to prevent other guilds from jumping ship.

Smart move really but not sustainable.

It’s neither. Two guilds transferred, for reasons that had nothing to do with BG, and sparked primarily due to transfers to Medium pop servers being free last week. Their departure was not jumping ship from BG, but rather jumping ship from T1. BG as a server has nothing to prove to it’s existing guilds and players, other than continuing to work together, be respectful to one another and find ways to improve our game.

Also, people still don’t seem to see that there is always a server in T1 playing harder (more) than the others, driven largely by the amount of effort put in and result of the previous week(s). It’s a constant war of action and reaction, of pushes and pauses, of momentum and stagnation, driven partly by the events in the game, and partly by statements made in this very forum.

BG won the match before last. JQ said “oh no you didn’t”, and responded with force last week. SoR followed suit, and as the reality of finally scoring ahead of BG set in, your guys pushed and played hard in the final days of the match. BG seeing the futility of the week, took it easy, and responded this weekend with renewed vigor.

Anyhoo .. such is T1. There is no explaining what happens. There’s no rationalizing victory and defeat. All you can do is get in game and play for your team, and let the tide take you.

Awesome. We can add which server started a match thread to the long list of things to argue about in the T1 match. For the record, an SoR player started the thread for the previous week’s match (3/15).

Good fights this week everyone.

Jedbacca.6297:

Awww cmon now, Agg should either stay BG or come join me in my kittenery on JQ I love those guys, somehow ended up liking those guys over time Who gives a kitten if someone says its bandwagoning, I consider them as my peoples…even if I tend to attack them all the time.

Well, you could always transfer SF to Ferg’s Crossing.

Good luck FoE and Agg. Maybe it’s the fact that I play late PST, but I feel like I never got to know you guys during your short stay on BG. It seems like you both never really settled in. Regardless, I wish you the best and hope you find some good fun for your guilds.

JaredKincade.9761:

I also find it VERY VERY hypocritical your forum posters are allowed to blame ONE GUY for building rams on their loss, but when we talk about constant 2v1 that occur over and over and over again we are laughed at and ridiculed.

Welcome to PvP gaming forums.

Sunspots.9861:

Isn’t Charlie Sheen in the Blackgate War Council? Pretty sure he drinks tiger blood.

Naw he transferred to SoR. In fact he just released a video for this week’s match.

Hoots.9564:

lol wtf is a “Blackgate War Council”? Did Menaace join BG?

Back when the game was released, it’s the name that the WvW community organizers on Blackgate used for various guild representatives on the server that were interested in organized WvW. It’s basically a guild leader and community representatives forum where things like guild map assignments, strategy, and other things can be addressed and discussed.

Revskyler.4928:

Well I would like to inform everyone that Hands off my Octopus [Homõ] has been retired by the devs… Today the guild was deleted without any warning. So we will be back when we can think of another epic guild name!

Until then R.I.P Hands off my octopus [Homõ] ~ Revskyler

That’s too bad. It was one of my favorite guild names. I’m sure the guild name was acceptable, but I’d bet they looked at the tag as circumventing the language filter.

Anyhoo, hope you find something suitable.

What about Hands off my Yak [Homy]?

Rawnoodles.1398:

EMP the other day fielded 90 guildies exactly and we saw about 10-25 non guildies as well. So we estimate 120~ on Reset is server cap per borderlands in T1

How on earth did you get 90 guildies onto the same map on reset night?

Robot Chocken.7012:

KnT even apologized in this post and admitted to that having been done. Much respect to that poster. Either way when that happens to us when BG pushed us for a high tick that long, we will respond with force. I am sorry but your argument is invalid. Best thing that can be done is for servers to see to it to the best of their ability that their guildees do not participate or this will happen.

If you’re referring to my post, I just want to be clear that I wasn’t admitting anything. The fact is I have no clue whether something happened or not or who it was or wasn’t. However, out of respect for my opponents, I will believe what was reported and assume taunting in JQ LA did in fact happen, and simple common sense tells me that it was most likely someone from BG.

Regardless of who it was or where they were from, to me, the end result is what matters here, which is JQ responding with force. In a way, you guys should thank the taunters. They obviously fired your server up big time.

Anyways, I just wanted to add some clarification here.

It’s all good JQ. Blackgate would have likely done the same if the roles were reversed. Hopefully this week’s reality check will quiet some or most of our vocal minority that feels the need to talk crap and taunt our opponents and we can work on getting back to business. Lesson to all .. don’t taunt and disrespect your opponent unless you’re willing to have a target placed on your back. What’s funny is, the players doing the gloating in LA probably put in a fraction of the effort of those of us who are out there every night trying to make good things happen.

Cheers to all on another fun match.

It’s not your settings or connection. It’s too many players in the same area firing skills at the same time and the server can’t process it all. Habib used the analogy of hitting 100% cpu on your PC.

I found the comment Mike Ferguson made about regretting releasing a number way back when, as well as some explanation as to why they do not want to release this number. It was from an interview with Mike Ferguson in February,

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/196tgh/jeuxonlineinfo_made_an_interview_with_mike/

urzen.7096:

Some zerg on zerg action for you pervs.

That screenshot is awesome. Two forces colliding as the third faction watches from the battlements of their tower. Epic.

Habib Loew.6239:

As far as I know we’ve never officially announced a map cap number. I could be wrong, of course (happens all the time!), but I believe our policy has always been to not release those numbers.

If I recall correctly, Mike let a number slip out at some point, which I believe was during the BWEs, and if I my memory is correct, he’s regretted it ever since.

Easy fixes:

Have each Keep, Tower and Camp worth a fixed amount of Wexp, and spread it evenly across the number of players in the circle when it caps.

Have each player worth a fixed amount of Wexp, and spread it evenly across the number of players that tagged said played.

Increase defense Wexp for upgraded holdings. The more upgrades the greater the Wexp.

These simple changes would probably go a long way towards breaking up the Wexp trains (zergs) and provides incentives to upgrade property and actually hold it.

Don’t you guys think this points out a glaring flaw in the server transfer system? “Transfer for free, to Medium population servers, but only during off peak hours, which is when they’re medium, otherwise they’re full”. I play during peak NA hours, so I’d have to actually transfer when I don’t play the game, to play during a time when a server doesn’t have a population issue. What?

Edit – Additional thoughts …

This is really because of the disconnect between server population and WvW participation. Since server transfers mostly impact WvW, it is my opinion that High, Medium, Low populations as a determination for transfer costs should be based on the average number of players in WvW for a server rather than how many players are logged onto the server itself at a given point in time.

Geez. We can actually play where’s Waldo in some of those screenshots.

Entropy.4732:

Maybe it’ll calm down. Hopefully it will.

I’m quite confident that it will.

I’d say this video is fitting given the situation.

Decked.8274:

Is this intended or is a bug?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/WvW-Temporarily-Disabled/first#post1705991

This reeks of “bandaid content”. If I were to make an educated guess, they wanted to do more with WvW itemization with this patch, but ran out of time and/or had limited resources to work on it, so they threw some basic existing skins together so players at least had something to go along with the additional stat options. In my view, they don’t want to move dungeon skins to the WvW vendors, because they probably want players to run that content and want those skins to be associated with those dungeons.

Hopefully they task their art guys with some PvP specific skin sets at some point, but with the limited WvW resources Anet seems to have allocated towards this game I don’t see it happening for quite awhile if ever.

Ascended? Man I don’t know when that might happen.

Disappointing for sure. Ranks and gimmicky abilities are just not going to be enough to draw people back into WvW or keep them from continuing to get bored and quit (in my opinion).

Glenn.3417:

Can we please get some official response to this issue?

Cause this is total and utter bs, how is removing the queue gonna benefit anyone?
Now we have to spam the frigging button 24/7 untill it let’s us in.
Being in a t1 server, joining on primetime is kitten

I can’t find anything in the patch notes about this.

It’s obviously a bug.

Edit – Ah so there you go. Habib posted the answer above.

So I guess it’s going to be existing dungeon skins with various stat options?

Graybes.8251:

Has there been any details on what these WvW abilities will actually be? I mean I am just a bit confused. Are these going to be abilities that a player can put on their utility ability bar?

https://d3b4yo2b5lbfy.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/c8d06WvW-Progression-English.jpg

This image was taken from the recent blog on the upcoming WvW update. They’re passive WvW only abilities that a player can purchase with “rank points”.

http://www.guildwars2hub.com/features/editorials/wvw-interview-habib-loew-mike-ferguson-matt-witter

GW2Hub: Do you think the addition of ranks and abilities or WvW specific character improvements will lead to segregation? Such as a scenario “X Guild seeking players with Y rank for WvW”

Mike Ferguson: That was actually a really big concern when we first started talking about this. We really didn’t want it to be like that, which is why we made the abilities a little more generic across WvW and not specific on player versus player activities. You don’t ever get a feeling of being super, super powerful because you have ranks versus a person who doesn’t have anything you’re just better at the things you’re already doing like killing guards, manning siege or carrying supply. Hopefully we won’t encounter your scenario, but once it gets out in the wild there’s no predicting what players will do. I’m sure at some point some players will do that but we designed this system to not encourage that.

Seems some of us forgot an important lesson. NEVER WAKE A SLEEPING GIANT!

Furyos.9538:

That sure was a lot of ballistas by SoR at the spawn point….

Yeah I think I counted 12 at BG spawn in EBG. SoR played there spawn camping after failing to take Valley for over an hour while JQ took it. Good thing I was able to use a skill every 5 minutes.

Quick everyone! Sandwich at Valley Keep in EBG! SoR and JQ are the bread and BG is the baloney! Gobble gobble!

Shinji.2063:

Bursts.1540:

Lol i had to drink for the other reason, it was becoming unbearable. Felt like they focused us the whole time not just the beginning. worst part was there was no queue by 9pm st. So we did our best. We were waiting for ya’ll to hit garrison, and time it up with hills but never came. But we all understand why we would get focused. By later in the week SoR will be a non-factor and it will be down to us again. Can’t wait.

I want to know what magic JQ did to steal SOR soul to have them work so hard for them. Maybe if we start dropping percursors JQ will tell us.

Hehe. It was expected and is part of the game. Just embrace it. Also, it was expected that we’d limp into reset. Our guys pushed pretty hard the final 36 hours.

Peace out Smokee Gee. You were a huge part of Blackgate over the past many months and you’ll be sorely missed. Now get to work on getting that RL rating back to T1!

Still nothing mentioned about this here https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/world-vs-world-introducing-world-ranks-and-more/.

Hopefully this falls under the “and more” part. Otherwise I’m going to be pretty bummed that they didn’t at least get SOMETHING else onto badge vendors. I mean, Mike posted this almost a month ago.

My hopes aren’t very high unfortunately.

Jahn.7019:

Or someone who is adamant in adhering to the rules of the game. Quite frankly, I’m surprised more people aren’t outraged about this. Why play a game with rules and systems if they are just going to get thrown out the window.

What ever happened to honor on the battlefield.

I don’t understand what is leading you to the conclusion that a lot of people, on all sides, aren’t outraged by this. It hurts everyone, as it weakens the integrity of the game. Speaking personally, yeah it kitten es me off that a server is getting griefed in WvW, and moreso in a match my server is involved in. What upsets me even more however is players coming to the forums and pointing fingers at an entire server for no reason other than personal bias and “the only one who stands to gain” reasoning.

You guys using the quote function are just creating extra work for the Mods. Just sayin.

elderan.2638:

I’d really like to know if “troll rams” are against the rules and a bannable offense or whether they are completely legit as far as Anet is concerned. Because if so, I can easily imagine this becoming an “eye for an eye” where all 3 tier 1 servers do it and the whole situation becomes ridiculous. You’re basically paying $60 to have the ability to burn all your opponents supply before you attack them.

I’m sure it falls somewhere under their Rules of Conduct rules #1 and #22.

1) While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.

22) While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

While neither is necessarily specific, I’m sure a case could be made that such behavior violates both of these rules.

Full Berserker’s is tough in WvW, for me anyways. You have to be so careful. Too careful for my taste. I run full PVT armor (including back) with Berserker staff and accessories. However, I also run boon duration runes and the classic 0/10/0/30/30 build. It creates a good balance of damage and support/survivability for my play style. I’m a firm believer in “your DPS is zero if you’re dead”, and I play in T1 NA where the zerg bull rush meta can be brutal on glass cannon Eles.

So, I think you should try playing with the build and stats you want, as there aren’t any flaws in your plan necessarily. However, if you’re dying too much, consider adding in PVT gear.

Annabel.5127:

Excuse me Michael! Just because Smokee isn’t here doesn’t mean you can slack off!
Oh & Score update

LOL! Micheal sleeping on the job. What a shocker.

Speaking of Smokee, where’s he been?

Tsquared.2384:

If BG wins, you know there will probably be people who point to the idiot who kept siege capping us as an excuse. Who knows, maybe it is a legitimate one or maybe it wouldn’t have mattered. Either way I feel bad for all our servers…next weeks thread may be one to avoid for a few days…

There’s no doubt, legit or not. That’s one of the major side effects of this kind of griefing. Not only does it hurt morale, divert attention that would be better focused elsewhere, and of course create havoc during siege defense for the server it’s happening to, but it places an asterisk on the entire match. If BG wins this match, was it the siege griefing that made the difference? Most likely not, but it will always be there as a cloud over what was otherwise an awesome match.

I think I can speak for all of the organized BG guilds … the guilds that participate in the community forums, have guild channels on TS, and are members of the war council, that none of us are doing this nor condone it at all. Could it be someone from BG? Certainly, as it could be someone from any server that just wants to mess with the top dog. Either way, it’s despicable and it needs to be dealt with. We have the player’s game ID, we just need Anet to act on the reports and put a stop to it.

As stated earlier, I know that there are plenty of guilds on BG that would coordinate a friendly break in to destroy siege then leave without capping it. It’s a major PITA for everyone and it shouldn’t need to happen, but if it’s good for the match I know our guys would be more than willing to help.

In the end, let’s not let this garbage get in the way of the fact that this was otherwise a really fun and close match, that included pushes by all three servers at various points during the week. Regardless of the outcome on the score, it was another fun week in T1 and we should try to focus on that. To JQ players, just keep reporting the offending player and hopefully this will stop soon.

Jahn.7019:

Some BG guilds admitted playing between 24-36 hours last 2 days. If that’s taking it easy, then we’re all doing it wrong.

So you took this post, https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/3-15-JQ-SoR-BG/page/20#post1670982 , which is referring to one commander, and extrapolated guilds admitting to playing 24-36 hours? What? o_0

wedo.3049:

SOMEONE 5v5 us tonight stop zerg fighting!

I think I remember seeing Noodles saying something along the lines of if you’re going to GvG with less than 15 on each side you may as well just sPvP.

I bet you could get some action with oPP/EA or RIOT on Blackgate, but I’m not sure how active they are this week. We have a lot taking a break in advance of the patch next week.

waha.4921:

i dont know. but I print screen a picture from my computer ….

Hey, how did you get a screenshot of BGBL during our T2 matches vs. SoR?

KIDDING!

Ardon.4105:

Liquid.9672:

JemL.3501:

Why SoR is getting points while JQ and BG losing in that millenium score…this glicko system was made for 1v1 not for this.

Because it’s based on expected score and rating entering the match. SoR is gaining because they’ve scored more points than they were expected to based on their rating against JQ and BG’s rating.

He’s right though, the glicko system wasn’t made for this.

I don’t disagree, but I’m not sure if there is a better option for this game.

JemL.3501:

Why SoR is getting points while JQ and BG losing in that millenium score…this glicko system was made for 1v1 not for this.

Because it’s based on expected score and rating entering the match. SoR is gaining because they’ve scored more points than they were expected to based on their rating against JQ and BG’s rating.

Solid response JQ. You pulled your pants back up pretty quick tonight. Kudos, and i mean that sincerely. Watching our PPT drop sub 100 by midnight PST was frustrating, but it is what it is.

Cerialkilla.3571:

I just hope whom ever is coming over to JQ from whatever server it might be is gone and banned by then. 45 Flame rams in the keep and that makes it extremely hard to defend. We can’t even build siege to try and take out the 6 trebs constantly hitting the towers. It’s annoying as hell and I hope by next week its gone.

That sucks man. Hopefully they get bored and stop soon. Jerks will be jerks.

fivekiller.1432:

culling will bring some back to check it out, but they won’t stay.

It’s not just the removal of culling though. If the items/skins being added to the badge vendors are good, people will have more motivation to keep playing, even if they may be frustrated with certain elements of the WvW format. Not to mention ranks, which at least some people will care about and want to grind for.

There is still some value to being able to see the battle going on around you so you can decide if it would be better to wait for a rez or to take a waypoint and run back (if feasible). The best solution to both the scouting and mezmer rezzing issues would be to have dead players automatically take the map entry waypoint after a certain about of time has gone by, say 5 minutes. I can’t imagine that it would be too hard to code that in.

Rogi.8720:

WvW is about coverage. SoR does not have it. Seems a lot of people get off on beating down empty tower doors on other servers. Maybe in the near future SoR will receive an influx of EU/SEA/Oceanic players so we can blue ball those that get off on doors. Then again maybe it’s time to form Kaineng of Rall.

I get the point you’re trying to make, but saying players on JQ and BG are fighting doors is false.There are plenty of fights to be had during Oceanic/SEA primetime in T1, and it’s not like SoR doesn’t have any players online during this time, you simply do not have as many as your opponents on average right now.