Guild Wars 2

Corran.4957:

Liquid.9672:

Rams need to be coded so that they cannot be placed on the ground unless they’re within a certain proximity of a gate. Problem solved. At least if you get trolled with arrow carts or catas they can be put to use.

totally disagree. rams are handy in a seige defense. there is a reason you see them in a lord room.. give you a hint, it has something to do with fire!

Hehe I didn’t need a hint. I understand where rams can be used away from gates in certain situations. However, to me, the ability to grief with rams far outweighs the strategic benefits they can provide in places like a Keep’s lord room.

mike.8365:

This is impressive.

Go Kaineng!

It was a very similar PPT tick situation around this time yesterday as well. KN has a big numbers advantage during this stretch of time until our EU and early NA players get online. To me, it looks like it’s your already strong SEA force staying up later and getting less sleep than ours. I’m just glad we’re able to hold you guys a bit under 500, rather than the 600+ like you did to other servers on the way up.

That said, good stuff Kaineng. It’s been a fun match.

Bursts.1540:

Ya not going to call out who it is, but the player is from the server close behind us. Trying to make this a fun match and stuff like this just makes this match get thrown out, and gives bad animosity towards everyone. I would like to contact someone from the Kaineng alliance if I could about this and stopping this. Have a feeling that nothing would get done, but please prove me wrong.

There’s not really anything they could do though, even if they wanted to which I’m certain they would. Just report the player using the in-game function and send any incriminating evidence you can gather directly to Anet. Then just deal if you can and try not to get frustrated with an entire server based on the actions of one player.

Rams need to be coded so that they cannot be placed on the ground unless they’re within a certain proximity of a gate. Problem solved. At least if you get trolled with arrow carts or catas they can be put to use.

Neuromancer.2148:

Perhaps Blackgate can lead by example and show how we conduct gentlemanly warfare.

Hehe we’re certainly not perfect, but I think we’ve learned some things over the past months, and I think TC players have been a big part of that. TC is just a pleasure to play against. Vicious on the field of battle but fun and light-hearted on the forums. I think in the end it all boils down to mutual respect. Respect your enemy, whoever they may be, and things will probably go well. You don’t have to like them, agree with them, or be buddies … but just offer your opponents some basic respect, and you’ll be respected in return.

I see TW is making new friends again. How sweet!

Krakah.3582:

RapidSausage.4620:

Server: Piken Square [EU]
Conditions: SM zerg vs zerg

What is going on?, is ANet aware of this and responded somewhere?

Skill lag has been in since Live, nothing new here. The server is under heavy load and can’t handle large 3 way fights.

I can only toss a suspicion that WvW map caps are being adjusted without public knowledge. Last week it was odd having que’s on all 4 maps, generally not something BG has been known for during the weekdays. Which also made 3 way fights have less noticeable skill lag.

And notice how the complaints of queues and map populations have died down a lot this week? They’re definitely tinkering with things in my opinion.

Kiexcolo.2416:

When I read this thread I sometimes wonder if I am in the right forum. I mean… why Flava?

I think the better question is … why not?

Unless one of JQ’s opponents gives up and stays that way over two or three matches, or Anet changes the formula for rating calculations, there will not be a new T1 server for quite a long time. There is simply no way to close the gap on 100 rating without blowouts in both matches (100k+ win for #4 and 100k+ loss for #3 over a few weeks). SoR knew this, which is why they milked off SBI’s rating over two matches instead of one then moved up just in time to not face Kaineng. KN held the potential to lock them into T2 even longer and they weren’t about to let that happen if they could help it. It was not a surprise to see so many of their players vehemently against the rating reset.

Although, after playing in this T2 match, it now makes me wonder why. This match has been awesome, both in game and in this thread. I far prefer this to the T1 mess, where SoS is coming to grips with it’s fall from the top spot which is bringing out the “scoreboard warriors”, SoR trying to get the recognition and acceptance they feel they always deserved, and JQ having to fend off constant cries about being stacked and unbeatable. The T1 thread has been painful to read so far this week, while the T2 thread might be the best match thread ever.

My 2 cents.

Nurse.1085:

Sifu.6527:

So you know there’s a invul safe spot there yet you still chase and attack them? /facepalm

I didn’t die, I chased them because I never knew this bug existed. But surprise! They stood there and waited for all of us to leave so they can continue to re-flip the camp. Not cool, no matter how many people try to justify it.

Honestly, this is really no different than them standing on top of the hill next to the LD, waiting for you to leave then dropping down to flip the camp again. I personally don’t like that there are invuln spots at the bottom of the hill but it’s really not that big of a deal in my opinion.

Honestly, I’m amazed SoS doesn’t have a server VOIP. How do your commanders communicate with each other to discuss map movements and calls for help and such? Text? According to Coronbale you had strategy meetings twice a week. I guess these took place on TSym’s VOIP? Obviously it worked for you guys, but I’m still surprised you were so successful without it.

SquirtyMagoo.8321:

Keep going TC! You’ve done a stellar job not letting BG take any ground on your BL, and we could do with them not having any more keeps!

Haha yeah, well KN hasn’t been helping in that regard either. Late last night when were trying to siege Bay, as soon as the wall would go down and we’d move in to work on inner we’d hear “KN is at Redbriar again”. Followed by .. “sigh okay let’s take it back and build the trebs again”. Then later we had to fight off KN once again who was sieging Briar from the island while we were working on Bay again only to have TC backdoor and take it while we were busy. Next thing you know we had nothing in TCBL haha. It was pretty fun though. Good fights last night for sure.

zhonnika.1784:

Fuzzion.2504:

urzen.7096:

score update skldjfhjkhsdfhkjds

Is SOS lose again, who will we get their spot?

Whoever wins the Bg/Kain beatdown, but I wouldn’t count on either moving up this week. SoS won’t go down a tier without a fight.

LOL this week? How about, never? Win by 200k then you can consider a new opponent. T1 and T2 are basically locked down until someone quits.

MrSilver.5269:

Smokee.1754:

MrSilver.5269:

The Blackgate guild [RES} seriously has no class.

Here´s a tip for you. PvP are meant to happen in PvP zones. If you cant handle it, stick to PvE.

RES is prolly the most classy guild on BG

Which doesn’t speak well for BG.

And with this statement its clear what’s going on here. Best to move on and ignore.

Dhampyr.2104:

I’ve gotta hand it to TC and BG both – not only are you guys crazy skilled on the battlefield, but your handling of forum trolls is nothing short of spectacular.

Lots of high level experience on both fronts lol.

Jayne.9251:

(And enjoying watching a certain BG fellah scarf down a sweat sock)

-whistles innocently- …

fishergrip.4082:

What are your queues like on Kaineng? Your numbers are ridiculous.

I think Kain players are pushing harder than normal and playing longer hours, which is to be expected in their first real test since the transfers. I’ll admit though that I was surprised by their numbers on reset night. As BG’s numbers dwindled later in the night KN stayed pretty strong. I didn’t expect that kind of showing. KN seems to have recieved more transfers than I thought.

So 3 months later you’re still trying to merge BG’s Oceanic/Sea players with your server. Gotta admire your perseverance!

Wow KN is staying up late. Someone is hungry. Don’t burn out guys it’s a long week!

You’re joking right?

Welcome to T2 Kaineng guys! Have fun!

Solori.6025:

Sartori.1960:

Okay, heres little old me running around trying to get map completion done in WvW. I think its hilarious that I get zerged by 10-20 people that chase me down and kill me.

Would some explain why I matter that much?

No one on the other side knows that your just their for world completion.
And you cant say that to them ( and they wouldnt believe you anyway )

For all we or they know, your running around killing dolyaks, supply starving keeps.

Or looking for a tree to pee on. THINK OF THE TREES!

Well I know I’ll be underwater killing Kraits tonight … for the daily heh.

LOL I hope the mods are in a good mood and have a sense of humor today. Otherwise this thread might get locked before the match even starts.

Kerithlan.1659:

ghtchill.7613:

Hello BG and TC. I’m hoping our match up thread is as fun this next week as this one seems to have been. Some of you sound worried though…speaking of alliances and what not. You may be over estimating the Kaineng. We can’t have that…

You have no need to worry, we’re only here for the Dolyak Parade. We’ve spent weeks to get here just to meet TC and party with their Yaks The culmination of a “long” journey. We can rest now, for there will be Dolyaks!

Cookie?

I’ll believe you when War Machine (including Jang) show up to the Dolyak parade, remain entirely passive, and join in on our fun.

LOL! Yeah … that’s not going to happen. If I’m wrong, I’ll record myself eating one of my sweaty gym socks. Hmmm, I better pick up a nice Merlot to go with that just in case.

When I played my Engi in WvW I found the magnet to be really effective. You have to look for those players that over extend on top of a keep, getting right to the edge, which happens all the time. I would pull them down, and as they were falling swap to rifle running forward, then spin and overcharged shot them into your siege force. Dead defender more often then not.

It was also great to pull stragglers running away from your group.

Good match all. Also, for the size of this thread, it was nice, clean and respectful overall. I like to see that as a compliment to the match itself. Good luck in your next match FA. It was good seeing your server name on the scoreboard again after all this time.

EnRohbi.2187:

Rested Fox.2560:

but we’ll never see that because we’ll never get out of t2.

Blackgate was in tier 1 for THREE WEEKS since New Years.
What are you talking about?

You came in third every time and lost your place.

The point people are making is that with the current rating formula, one could argue that you have to win by too much, or lose by too much, to move up, or down to another tier. Thus my argument that the formula could use a tweak to increase volatility, which I think would address this issue without creating many, if any, blow out matches.

Viral.4903:

Haldunius.7864:

Some starter questions:

1. Will BG dominate TC and FA as it has in the past?
2. Will FA blindly rage after TC due to their past?
3. Will FA shock the world and win this week?
4. Will TC run a dolyak parade, tea party, or some similar RP event for FA to try and ruin?

1. Yup
2. Yup
3. Hell No
4. Absolutely
5. TC and BG will form a line at our keep to welcome FA to T2 (See Pic Below)

Oh wow! That screenshot is awesome. BG and TC kneeling and rolling out the red carpet for you guys. Epic. This extra stuff is what it’s all about.

pot.6805:

So much loot bags at Durios 10-15m ago. Superior arrow carts <3

Nice [fun]bags! No loot chests though. You got robbed.

Too Frisky.9165:

If Oceanic players want to play WvW then they can return to their own servers.

Waitjustaminute. What are these “Oceanic” servers you speak of?

Thanks for the update Habib. One thing I will say though … I would still highly consider continuing to review the formula used to calculate ratings and think about increasing the volatility. Now that free transfers are closed, large movements of active WvW players is essentially over. This means that some servers that could be relatively competive in tiers above, or below, their existing tier, can get locked into the same tier for a long period of time. We already started to see negative sentiment from some players after being stuck in the same match week after week, and this was well before free transfers closed. Now, stale matchups will become even more prevalent.

You have the data. I think that a balance can be found that creates a bit more deviation in matchups but that also doesn’t result in regular score blow outs week in and week out. The end result would likely be greater fun factor on the whole over the long term.

Xaaz.8472:

On a side note, I thought you guys would pass TC this week but it looks like they are still very competitive and strong.

TC has been making a great showing this week and are getting some excellent numbers into WvW. I think they were hungry for some actual 3 server WvW after what happened to SBI when they were in T2.

pot.6805:

Has SoR completely given up? I’ve seen multiple screenshots of them at 0 ppt.

If so, it may be the first time ever for them. Even during the last match between BG and SoR, where the score difference was the widest of all the 8 weeks of matches, SoR still only bottomed at 35 PPT during off-NA hours. That was before their Oce/Sea transfers.

I had a good bit of fun last night (around the 10pm PST range) in TCBL clashing up with the TC zerg that was running around there most of the night around siege island. I don’t know the last time I’ve seen so many Necros and Mesmers absolutely destroying our rushes at your siege and your group. It was like a Conditions nightmare. We had to say “well, that didn’t go too well” a few too many times for out taste heh. Was good fun though.

Also, to the FA Mesmer in [Echo] that I and another chased out of Bay, I don’t know what I was thinking chasing you so far. I’m absolutely terrible on my Staff Ele in 1v1 situations and I got what I deserved. I blame Captain Morgan who had me feelin pretty good last night.

I’ve been dropping my group then exiting WvW via the LA portal. In my head, it comes out on top as the cleanest way to make sure the WvW map isn’t still counting you as active in the zone. I still see way too many people plain exiting the game while in WvW and grouped though.

EasymodeX.4062:

Now, about those kittening bullkitten queues. God kittening kitten I haven’t been able to get into WvW for the past week because I don’t have 3 hours to sit in a kitten queue without ADHD’ing and playing something else. FEEL THE RAGE OF A THOUSAND QUEUED SUNS.

Ouch. Has it been that way all week? The map population cap reduction seems to have hit certain servers pretty hard. I play later NA than a lot of you (8ish pm to 1am PST) but I haven’t had to deal with queues at all (on Blackgate), although I don’t think our earlier queues have been too bad either. Definitely not 3 hours. We were even able to call in another guild to our BL last night for some support for a bit.

Hopefully we get some answers on this map population cap so we can understand what’s been going on and if things will be going back to normal sometime soon.

sostronk.8167:

Lyndis.2584:

SoS is getting demolished, lol.

:x

Far from it. Last week on Thursday BG had a 13,000 point lead over SOS. BG players were coming in here and celebrating their second place as they beat SOS for the week and were well on their way to knocking SOS out of Tier1. What happened? SOS topped the PPT by a long way for the last 18 hours of the server reset and beat BG by around 3,000 points. They have Oceanic coverage, but more so they have Oceanic/weekend coverage. They win big at the start of the WvW week and on Fridays they turn up early and play right through to sever reset. As a JQ player, Im only just starting to feel comfortable with our lead over SOS, but I still know they are capable of pulling those numbers back.

Ive taken a bit of a break from WvW this week and only played about 10 hours as I have been levelling some other classes. As an Oceanic player I will most likely be turning up Friday/Saturday to make sure we don’t lose in the final hours.

Nothing personal, but your assessment of what transpired last week is pretty far off the mark. If SoS wanted to move into 2nd place, they could have done it much sooner. Their agenda was different however, until they realized that it wasn’t going to happen. That’s when they pushed for 2nd.

Sunspots.9861:

This thread sure has gotten quiet! I hear there are some login issues?

Yeah the forums login is down, so people can’t post unless their browser was already open and logged in to the forums (like on my phone).

ComeAndSee.1356:

SoR came in hard, but now they’re starting to wane.

It’s just coverage differences coming into play. I learned early on during the 8 weeks my server faced them (I play on BG) that their NA guys are over achievers, and would often play much longer hours to make their coverage gaps less of an issue on the score, particularly on the weekends. But eventually, everyone needs sleep and to address life’s commitments, so it can only last so long. BG faced the exact situation in T1, although I would say we don’t hit the weekends as hard as SoR tends to.

Quenta.2978:

Got some good footage of some good fights against BG. TC video coming soon as well :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzgLW20x1bg

Nice. Hot zerg on zerg action. I always enjoy your videos Quenta, but I’d say you’re due for something funny. Make it so!

All we have to go on thus far is this statement from Mike Ferguson on the reasoning behind new math.

Over the last couple of months we’ve seen that when worlds experience dramatic changes in their ability to field a consistent fighting force for whatever reason, it can take quite a while for them to work their way through the ratings until they end up in a match that suits them better. In a lot of cases, some worlds took multiple matches to work their way through a single tier even after a series of blowouts. We really dont like that, so one of the goals for updating the math behind the ratings is to try and reduce how often we experience the repeated blowouts that can come from that sort of situation and get those teams through the rankings quicker.

I take this to mean they want servers to move up faster, and down faster, depending on the score differences in a single match, and in effect increase the volatility. So from what my little brain can reckon, their math changes might even exaggerate what we’re currently seeing in the projected rankings using the current formula. For the next few weeks anyways until things more or less reach equilibrium.

Kreen.3925:

Don’t know about anyone else but I miss Fiesty’s score updates in these T1 threads. Can someone be creative and do some nice score update in game poses aka Fiesty please.

I would do it myself but I know I would fail at it

Sorry. All the creative score shots are in our match thread. We even have Gary Busey posting score updates!

Jeknar.6184:

I wonder if there is more hate between servers than there is in Bg/SoR.

Within the top 3 tiers, no I don’t think so. Not at the moment anyways. I believe there are several reasons for it, but in the end I think it boiled down to a clash of egos in a scenario where many players from both servers went into the initial match thinking they were better than each other. Then the events, dialog and match outcomes from there spiraled downward into what we have today. I also believe this will change and probably improve over time.

I’m enjoying this match though both in game and on the forums. In fact, I’ve always held both TC and FA in high regard going all the way back to the last time we all played together in T3 in October.

I do hope we get an answer. I’m not sure that we will though. My theory is that it’s intentional. I believe Anet is testing some things, and purposefully and manually reduced population limits on WvW maps to find out where servers are currently hitting queues now that free transfers have ended and see how much room they have to deal with the culling issue. I also believe the queue system is bugged, but I believe that is a separate issue and one that is only being noticed because of the increase in queue participation due to the cap decrease.

Based on Mike Ferguson’s previous information, the only other explanation is that the WvW servers are suddenly under increased load, and the system is dynamically reducing the caps to deal with the increased strain. I don’t see how that is possible though, as it doesn’t compute to me that we would suddenly see increased WvW participation this week. Not to mention that it didn’t seem to be an issue back in September when queues were a regular occurrence, yet there were a lot more players on each map before queues came into play.

Again this is just my theory, and as with all theories, it could be completely wrong.

Refer to this thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Coming-Soon-WvW-Rating-Reset/first

Also read the blue box at the top of the matches page on the MOS site. These two things should help you understand what’s going on this week.

The change now splits culling between both allies and enemies. The previous system set allies as first priority. So if you were in a group of allies that met or exceeded the culling limit, you would only see those allies before you saw any enemies. The new system creates and equal weight of allies and enemies, so when the culling limit is reached, theoretically you should be seeing half of your allies and half of your enemies.

VOLKON.1290:

Liquid.9672:

JQ has faced a total of 7 different opponents since the 1 week matches began. Ferguson’s Crossing 6. For some servers, I think the rating reset could create a little bit of fun for awhile if only to see some different opponents for a change. Yes there will be some blow outs, but I think some games will also be pretty good. Assuming the reset takes place, I’m personally looking forward to seeing some new server names up on the WvW match frame for a little while.

Be careful what you wish for.

You might actually get it.

I know exactly what it implies, and have no problem with it. It seems many don’t see things my way though, which is understandable … my views are very biased based on my own situation. For example, I’ve never been on the receiving end of a total and utter blow out. I’m sure those that have carry an entirely different view on the matter.

JQ has faced a total of 7 different opponents since the 1 week matches began. Ferguson’s Crossing 6. For some servers, I think the rating reset could create a little bit of fun for awhile if only to see some different opponents for a change. Yes there will be some blow outs, but I think some games will also be pretty good. Assuming the reset takes place, I’m personally looking forward to seeing some new server names up on the WvW match frame for a little while.

Miiaah.5416:

Anyone on last night when commander Furyos came in to give ICoA a pep talk and relieve poor tired Jezie who had ran a 13 hour shift? LMAO that was the best Teamspeak I have ever heard in months and truly made being back in T2 worth every minute. WE NEED MORE FURYOS!!!!!

Furyos is awesome. That goes for all of the guys and gals in LotD actually.