Guild Wars 2

Musty.3148:

You realize I’m sure that most people that are “killing Moa Birds” are building stacks of Prec or Pow right?

Even if you kill Moa Birds with a Golem?…-_-

This is how I equate every one that is not with the zerg or in VoIP…lol harsh but true at times.

Braindead are the people who choose to go off on their own and solo Sentry Guard points or Moa Birds or try to find 1v1, which wastes a slot in WvW.

Causing more harm than good for your server especially if your zerg is outmanned, thats really smart, split up to kill Moa Birds while your server is getting wiped.

MomentofWeakness.1246:

Littlefeather.8623:

MomentofWeakness.1246:

Littlefeather.8623:

MomentofWeakness.1246:

Ethersin.3270:

Ninya.3942:

MomentofWeakness.1246:

To the [RE] Guild in Kaineng, I have great admiration for the coordination and organization you guys always put together. The best experience and fighting I get in Eternal Battlegrounds is from your Guild hands down. I wish it were so easy on Maguuma to say that I had a full “Guild Zerg” running around bulldozing things but for us Maguumas, our zerg when you fight it consists of at best a 50-50 diffrerence between pugs and the mixture of WvW Guilds. I hope that you still enjoy the fights. I would have to say that Saturday (5/4) in the mid-afternoon before we abandoned Eternal Battlegrounds to take East Keep, we had a very healthy even exchange of wins – losses but you guys seemed to really get kitten off and leave after we beat you at the grub. Also, thank you to JudgeD for the compliments, that was me and the Maguuman Army! I look forward to fighting you more in the future, I have been working diligently to get the non-guild players or new-guild players to work on their coordination, builds, etc.

If you were fighting an actual RE zerg at the grub it sure as heck was not being commanded by Ethersin lol

As for them leaving, if Ethersin was there they may have gone to do something else…but since you fought them at the grub that probably just means they were like “meh let’s go do some PvE”.

No that was me commanding haha, we had a massive tail and I thought maguuma was occupied with the grub =P We all make mistakes

It was a good battle, I had my puggies coordinated well at that point though, I knew it was you commanding, by the numbers… Cheers!

Right, and when I command in EB, I have about 5 RE with me and 20-30 pugs…lol -_-. For some reason our guild only WvW’s when Ethersin is commanding.

Are you the D/D ele that commands RE sometimes? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Im the Tanky Guardian that is the first one to run into an enemy zerg. Most people wont push even if you tell them, so I lead by example lol

Sounds like more of a pug problem rather than a Guild internal problem. It’s quite obvious when Ethersin is on though.., cause there’s 65 RE on Eternal at once. Hmm thought you guys had an elementalist who was high ranking and had a commander icon. Maybe it’s a YB person. Pugs don’t lead by example, they run in fear. Do what you can do with what you can rely on.

We have like 18 Commanders…lol
But its all good, Im used to rolling with PUG’s, its non stop busy in EB and so much fun, but my style of Hardcharging is frowned upon, but least expected and very fun

MomentofWeakness.1246:

Littlefeather.8623:

MomentofWeakness.1246:

Ethersin.3270:

Ninya.3942:

MomentofWeakness.1246:

To the [RE] Guild in Kaineng, I have great admiration for the coordination and organization you guys always put together. The best experience and fighting I get in Eternal Battlegrounds is from your Guild hands down. I wish it were so easy on Maguuma to say that I had a full “Guild Zerg” running around bulldozing things but for us Maguumas, our zerg when you fight it consists of at best a 50-50 diffrerence between pugs and the mixture of WvW Guilds. I hope that you still enjoy the fights. I would have to say that Saturday (5/4) in the mid-afternoon before we abandoned Eternal Battlegrounds to take East Keep, we had a very healthy even exchange of wins – losses but you guys seemed to really get kitten off and leave after we beat you at the grub. Also, thank you to JudgeD for the compliments, that was me and the Maguuman Army! I look forward to fighting you more in the future, I have been working diligently to get the non-guild players or new-guild players to work on their coordination, builds, etc.

If you were fighting an actual RE zerg at the grub it sure as heck was not being commanded by Ethersin lol

As for them leaving, if Ethersin was there they may have gone to do something else…but since you fought them at the grub that probably just means they were like “meh let’s go do some PvE”.

No that was me commanding haha, we had a massive tail and I thought maguuma was occupied with the grub =P We all make mistakes

It was a good battle, I had my puggies coordinated well at that point though, I knew it was you commanding, by the numbers… Cheers!

Right, and when I command in EB, I have about 5 RE with me and 20-30 pugs…lol -_-. For some reason our guild only WvW’s when Ethersin is commanding.

Are you the D/D ele that commands RE sometimes? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Im the Tanky Guardian that is the first one to run into an enemy zerg. Most people wont push even if you tell them, so I lead by example lol, all that fighting tactics are great, but when I command I dont have the RE zerg that Ethersin has. So I really just command PUG’s who arent in TS with me lol.

MomentofWeakness.1246:

Ethersin.3270:

Ninya.3942:

MomentofWeakness.1246:

To the [RE] Guild in Kaineng, I have great admiration for the coordination and organization you guys always put together. The best experience and fighting I get in Eternal Battlegrounds is from your Guild hands down. I wish it were so easy on Maguuma to say that I had a full “Guild Zerg” running around bulldozing things but for us Maguumas, our zerg when you fight it consists of at best a 50-50 diffrerence between pugs and the mixture of WvW Guilds. I hope that you still enjoy the fights. I would have to say that Saturday (5/4) in the mid-afternoon before we abandoned Eternal Battlegrounds to take East Keep, we had a very healthy even exchange of wins – losses but you guys seemed to really get kitten off and leave after we beat you at the grub. Also, thank you to JudgeD for the compliments, that was me and the Maguuman Army! I look forward to fighting you more in the future, I have been working diligently to get the non-guild players or new-guild players to work on their coordination, builds, etc.

If you were fighting an actual RE zerg at the grub it sure as heck was not being commanded by Ethersin lol

As for them leaving, if Ethersin was there they may have gone to do something else…but since you fought them at the grub that probably just means they were like “meh let’s go do some PvE”.

No that was me commanding haha, we had a massive tail and I thought maguuma was occupied with the grub =P We all make mistakes

It was a good battle, I had my puggies coordinated well at that point though, I knew it was you commanding, by the numbers… Cheers!

Right, and when I command in EB, I have about 5 RE with me and 20-30 pugs…lol -_-. For some reason our guild only WvW’s when Ethersin is commanding.

I’m going to KN, only becuase we lost about 5 big WvW guilds, we are stretched thin on NA, I can speak for our guild atleast.

Catapults…
Walls…

And the fact that you’re making it worse for your server by splitting off into a small group and not with the commander…

Just some ideas to help.

Oh and PS, stealth avoids being seeing to go through the wall btw.

You have to be able to see the buffs and debuffs as its a part of the games strategy in PvE and PvP. But I agree on the Outmanned buff.

zastari.1730:

Littlefeather.8623:

Feels like another Darkhaven again for some of us RE…

Honestly, what do you expect to happen when you transfer to a bandwagon server? I don’t get why you all jumped off of Darkhaven just because ICoa left. DH was pretty stable with Mag and in a good tier at the time. The matchup we’re currently in seems to be one of the more even ones between the tiers, but of course anyone is free to jump ship and get a free 1800 gem ride to whatever the green server of the week is.

Your wording is very derrogatory, you imply that we went due to it being bandwagoned prior to our arrival which was not the case. We came here to bring it from T8 to T1, did not work, just like we tried with DH, did not work. We are pretty much done having some sort of top tier ambition in WvW, I know I am. No longer will we put in 8-12 hours daily with lesser committed community support. No longer will we have dedicated defensive teams or small teams for other reasons, like we tried in DH and here. For those who want to learn, please use our TS.

On a side note, this is a video game, with virtual characters. I sincerly do not understand why people log off after one wipe, this is a problem with every server. But if you have no sense of fortitued or constitution, dont even waste a slot in WvW please.

Feels like another Darkhaven again for some of us RE…

Siphaed.9235:

As “tragic” as the Boston thing was/is, I’m not so sure it needs as much publicity as it’s been given. Terrorism is a fire of which is fed by the fears of people, and fueled by the media over coverage. To point, only 3 people [sadly] died, yet people are trying to get these charity things up in the $100,000’s to millions. For what purpose is the excess money?

You know what’s a worse off event? How about the fertilizer plant explosion in Texas that already as 20+ dead and more unaccounted for (60ish?). That is a far more tragic event that could use donated charity money much more than the Boston thing. There’s also the Earthquake that hit China and over 180+ dead. Tragic, horrible, and needs far more help as more people are effected by that than the Boston thing.

I completely agree, You know how many of your fellow Americans die on an annual basis in the war on terrorism? Or how many hungry / homeless american families living in shelters, foster homes, or on the streets? Or anywhere for that matter. And the kids in foster homes being abused or growing up around ex convicts or drugs. This Boston thing, sad yes, but its not the first time something like this happened, there is a lot more going on in the world that’s far worse that’s been going on a lot longer too.

I dont type anything anymore, PUG’s either dont care or dont pay attention anyway. I only use our VoIP, if they decide to join, then they know whats going on, if not, well thats why their PUG’s :/…

Im at a point now where if im not commanding my guildies and im on a map with no other commander, I just solo supply camps with it on, in the hopes that people will come to the reality that they should automatically rally on me, but 99% of PUG’s dont anyway.

IMO a Commander shouldnt have to ask people to rally, it should be expected, but its no loss to me, I can only do so much, people shouldnt be allowed to use the “Im a PUG I didnt know any better” excuse.

Mister Mustard.7203:

Mike.7320:

I need players to match my skill. Simply put.

I’m not sure there are any.

You may just have to destroy zergs by yourself.

Exactly, you might just be one of a kind Mike, I think you beat WvW, your next plan should be to pwn the interwebz.

Cactus.2710:

Littlefeather.8623:

Cactus.2710:

Almostfaceman.1804:

Cactus.2710:

Cirus.5748:

The problem with rewarding this is that it will result in a abuse of it’s mechanics.

Escorting yakks used to give nice rewards, do you know what happened? About 20 bots would be escorting the 1 yakk. They removed the rewards and bots are no longer in wvw.

Imagine getting a good reward for every time you repair or build, your keep has 300 supply and it’s needed for an attack, everyone drains it on a door so they can get shinies…

Or imagine getting Wxp and golds for every siege weapon you build, your keep will be filled with irrelevant siege and the map would be siege capped in no time.

These types of things get abused and ruin the game, that’s why they don’t offer direct rewards, yet they are so important. Playing WvW properly and helping the entire server is a reward in itself. You don’t need shinies for that, especially since if you did, it would ruin the game.

^this^

I’m amazed that so few players get this, but astounded that ANet doesn’t either.

Nah, as it stands right now in my experience too many are riding on the coat tails of those who are doing all the unrewarded work – because they get more rewards running about. Something needs to be done about it and “they’ll exploit X” is a poor excuse for not coming up with some way to solve the problem.

I really wasn’t clear since I was only responding to part of the situation, but I’m against individual rewards at all … I think they break the intent of WvW. Almost everyone zergs now because that’s the fastest way to get WXP no matter whether you’re team is winning or losing badly. I played Rift for quite a while and saw first hand exactly how this kind of thing happens when I played Conquest … Rift’s kitten version of 3-faction large scale objective-based PvP. I repeatedly used that example here on these forums to argue against individual rewards in WvW well before ANet implemented it in the March 26 patch.

So what would I do differently to give individual players a sense of contribution? One possibility would be to grant WXP to players based upon the point ticks their team receives while they were playing. That would at least encourage team play and more participation time. It would also force ANet to come up with a way to create balanced matches … which is probably why they will never do it.

This is not about individual this or that, this is about the logistics of WvW, and the few fools that run supply for it. We are getting shafted everynight and we know it, its not fair accross the board, its not fair and equal for us, and 90% of WvW’ers dont know how important it is but if we dont do it, well than yea theyll see how important it can be.

I don’t understand your reasoning, or lack thereof. All of this is EXACTLY about individual rewards. You wouldn’t be complaining about getting shafted if ANet hadn’t put in place a system that grants individual rewards for kills but not for other things (like running supply) that contribute so greatly to team score. You might feel under-appreciated, but that’s not the same as saying you’re being “shafted”.

My point is that individual rewards that aren’t based upon team performance will ALWAYS undermine team activity. They pit team mate against team mate in terms of intent … in exactly the disgruntled manner that you display here.

I can careless about rewards personally, we all know people dont do it because it doesnt reward those who do.

I used to do this, everyday, I even askd for volunteers to help me seige up something or whatever, but hardly any one cared. Well sometimes a few people did help, and it was only then when a defensive team of mine repelled multiple 50-70 man zerg hits on a tower like ogrewatch or keep like AH or Bay, that people began to see how important it is. But still no one wants to be on that team, every one wants to be on the karmma train. Which I excersise as a commander, but then no one is seiging anything up so all of our structures are paper.

This is why I an so disgruntled, not becuase the rewards, but because 99% of people can careless to do it, only because the lack of rewards.

Cactus.2710:

Almostfaceman.1804:

Cactus.2710:

Cirus.5748:

The problem with rewarding this is that it will result in a abuse of it’s mechanics.

Escorting yakks used to give nice rewards, do you know what happened? About 20 bots would be escorting the 1 yakk. They removed the rewards and bots are no longer in wvw.

Imagine getting a good reward for every time you repair or build, your keep has 300 supply and it’s needed for an attack, everyone drains it on a door so they can get shinies…

Or imagine getting Wxp and golds for every siege weapon you build, your keep will be filled with irrelevant siege and the map would be siege capped in no time.

These types of things get abused and ruin the game, that’s why they don’t offer direct rewards, yet they are so important. Playing WvW properly and helping the entire server is a reward in itself. You don’t need shinies for that, especially since if you did, it would ruin the game.

^this^

I’m amazed that so few players get this, but astounded that ANet doesn’t either.

Nah, as it stands right now in my experience too many are riding on the coat tails of those who are doing all the unrewarded work – because they get more rewards running about. Something needs to be done about it and “they’ll exploit X” is a poor excuse for not coming up with some way to solve the problem.

I really wasn’t clear since I was only responding to part of the situation, but I’m against individual rewards at all … I think they break the intent of WvW. Almost everyone zergs now because that’s the fastest way to get WXP no matter whether you’re team is winning or losing badly. I played Rift for quite a while and saw first hand exactly how this kind of thing happens when I played Conquest … Rift’s kitten version of 3-faction large scale objective-based PvP. I repeatedly used that example here on these forums to argue against individual rewards in WvW well before ANet implemented it in the March 26 patch.

So what would I do differently to give individual players a sense of contribution? One possibility would be to grant WXP to players based upon the point ticks their team receives while they were playing. That would at least encourage team play and more participation time. It would also force ANet to come up with a way to create balanced matches … which is probably why they will never do it.

This is not about individual this or that, this is about the logistics of WvW, and the few fools that run supply for it. We are getting shafted everynight and we know it, its not fair accross the board, its not fair and equal for us, and 90% of WvW’ers dont know how important it is but if we dont do it, well than yea theyll see how important it can be.

Unfortunately.5940:

When Guild Wars 2 becomes Zerg Wars 2 it just becomes boring. I’m personally not interested in running in a huge zergball just so you won´t be insta-gibbed by the other huge zergballs, so when that starts to happen i´m out, and the point where that becomes the only viable strategy has been coming sooner every day. It´s also a large part of the reason i never really play reset nights.

And whats important to you? Capping a sentinal or killing moa birds?

As a commander more = more chance of success. Now I personally dont care if I die 5000 times in a night, but for some reason a lot of people do care about their virtual character dieing…

With that being said, most people will abandon their commander when they wipe one time. So to make it easier on their little feelings for their character in a video game, yes I do roll with as much as I possible can, why? Well to keep people staying in the fight and not running away after we get wiped.

And the rest of people like you can go solo NPC guards or something, while the zerg can do someting useful.

Come to RE, our top Commander (Ethersin) wipes bigger zergs 9 out of 10 times, most of TC and FA can attest to this. What youre looking for is a strong WvW guild I can see that, if this is accurate than not only come to KN, but join RE, everyday is a scheduled guild event and scheduled but optional WvW, we have our PvE too. Almost 500 members but only 50-90 WvW daily from 4PM PST . We have our daytime crews but our scheduled WvW time frame is 4PM PST.

Shouldnt most of these posts not related to WvW be in the Off Topic section? Just saying…

I have over 50k supply used in WvW but its much easier to gain faster rewards running with karmma train than it is acutally running supply to repair/siege up, etc.

I personally dont care about rewards, my reward is for my server, but we all know players who think about the logistics of war get shafted on the rewards end anyway. Im not so optimistic as the people who develope these things are not in our shoes and do not experience things on our level. They please the masses and not minority because its much easier lol.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Insignia.6345:

I tried to skim for any scheduled fight club nights but i didn’t find any, does this tier of WvW have a specific night for a large fightclub with all 3 servers? Or are they mostly spur the moment ones? For my old tier it was always Thursday nights. Wondering if you guys do anything like that. Thanks!

I don’t think this tier has fight clubs like other tiers. They should. It might bring a little respect between some people.

Im the guy that started Fight Club for WvW when RE was in DH between NSP and Maguuma lol. I know I posted it for lastweek but I also even stated that I wont be there because Work>Gym>Shower>Dinner>GW2, everyday. But it doesnt have to be me all the time to post it in a thread. I started it for WvW and it became a tradition of RE to do it everywhere we go, but any one can organize it lol.

Good try lastnight in EB KN, those who were with me atleast. Those KN in the JP or killing moa birds thank you for helping FA and TC push us off the map. Outmanned as it is and you want to worry about a jumping puzzle…nice to see where KN’s priorities are.

yiishing.9057:

challenge accepted.
around 60 golems from elonas reach – around eastern

That was either overkill and yall didnt have anything else better to do but to make a nice SS

I feel sorry for a handfull of people who made them when yall were defending what yall could

Either way it must have taken forever, and also great pic

I cuss them out…lol jk, I used to though

Now I just ignore them.

1. Its too much of a hassle to try to coordinate picking up prints from a random mesmer not in VoIP

2. Most of every one is struggling or putting in so much effort, your request for JP assistance is a slap in the face to all of us.

3. Get your own mesmer because my guild only has 2 or 3 anyway.

4. Dont clog the chat with useless information.

Back to Basics.

Since my return last week from a 3 month MIA, I have noticed an advanced level of open field fighting between zergs. This is great and I am glad to see this change. But one night I was not commanding to see how things go in this tier, one thing I noticed was we went one whole tick without even taking a supply camp. Sure it was very fun wiping other zergs on the battleground, but with the PPT as pathetic as it is some people need to reevaluate their priorities IMO.

Im not trying to start drama on KN, but I do want to point out that objectives should outweigh zerg hunting.

Also, I have not noticed any gorilla squads, like when we were in DH in T6. Or any defensive teams, like when RE was in DH in t5…There is a lot more to WvW than zerg hunting which seems most of my guildies have forgetten since I been gone.

to KN:

Yall have any idea how fullfiling and effecient it is to repell attacks on a tower or keep with 4 other people against 60 man zergs for 6-8 hours with expert defensive seige placement?

Yall have any idea how effective ORGANIZED 5 man teams have for a guild zerg to coordinate ojectives accross maps simotaneusly with, flank with, scout with, bait with, yak cuttoff routes, can be in WvW?

Oh, and if your in RE and your following some other non guild commander but me when I command, thats like a slap in the face to me.

wiht my build i love when burst thieves try me, they kill theirselves 10 out of 10 times.

Well the reason for their removal was to deter hackers. Hackers and Glitchers were capturing Orbs malicously, thats why they were taken out. Plus the loosing it made it a lot harder for the loosing server. Making the winning server even harder.

Ninya.3942:

Lol and stuff. I thought the last of the “zerg killers” we encountered were seen falling with maguuma. No one cares how awesome your “5” man group is. You get squished or are really good at running away. Any decent guild group would ignore you :p[/quote]

I know lol, Well tbh, I wouldnt ignore them, I will remember their forum posts and push their faces in with the guild everytime I see them on the field lol. Dont let me take command ;p

This is a pre “Im calling you out” Your best 5 against RE’s best 5, on Thursday for Fight Club, this time I’ll make sure to be there, with all the bells and whistles

Andy.9137:

SquirtyMagoo.8321:

Littlefeather.8623:

“Whatever makes you feel better, I suppose. Our 5 man wipes anything less than 30 people. If you’re running more than 30 people, the simple fact that you’re sticking as a huge ball like that is a time sink on its own.”

What does a 5 man SPvP team accomplish in WvW anyway?, I mean seriously, besides supply camps and harrasing solo roamers…

They pretty much harass stragglers and pug zergs. They are pretty effective against unorganised groups that aren’t too big, but I feel like most of the zergs in this tier are too big for them to be able to do anything to.

I dunno. I roamed with 4 of them the other night and we were taking on zergs composed of a lot of the same guild tags. Other than that smashing other evenly sized groups that happened to cross our path. It was pretty impressive.

This isnt the first time I read something from small SPvP squads in WvW. And I’m sure your server does appreciate your help, but in al honesty SPvP and WvW are two different beasts. I love 1v1, no other melee player will ever stand toe to toe with my Guardians build, but for some reason the SPvP Groups wont duel 1v1, which I find hillarious due to their self proclaimed “Impressive Skill”.

SquirtyMagoo.8321:

Littlefeather.8623:

“Whatever makes you feel better, I suppose. Our 5 man wipes anything less than 30 people. If you’re running more than 30 people, the simple fact that you’re sticking as a huge ball like that is a time sink on its own.”

What does a 5 man SPvP team accomplish in WvW anyway?, I mean seriously, besides supply camps and harrasing solo roamers…

They pretty much harass stragglers and pug zergs. They are pretty effective against unorganised groups that aren’t too big, but I feel like most of the zergs in this tier are too big for them to be able to do anything to.

Im all for 5 man teams with small goals to help the PPT, but I hope these 5 man teams dont think they make a difference in fighting against WvW guilds…

“Whatever makes you feel better, I suppose. Our 5 man wipes anything less than 30 people. If you’re running more than 30 people, the simple fact that you’re sticking as a huge ball like that is a time sink on its own.”

What does a 5 man SPvP team accomplish in WvW anyway?, I mean seriously, besides supply camps and harrasing solo roamers…

JudgeD.5673:

No, somehow it got put on the backburner. I guess because we were so focused on points.

So, you want Fight Club?

Well im still at work, but sure it’s always the highlight of the day for every one, if ppl are down.

Hold on, so RE hasnt introduced Fight Club in this tier yet?…

hmm

Crucify.1649:

Fight Club, Fight Club, Fight Club! That’s right guys, it’s the time of the week, occurring hopefully every Thursday afternoon!

Location – Devona’s Rest Borderlands under Champion’s Demense Camp
Time – Thursday after DAILY reset (8 PM EST) (Please PM if you need a conversion to your immediate time)

Standard Tips/Rules:
- /bow before duel
- Duel ends when the opponent is downed
- Anyone who interrupts, please inform that a Fight Club is taken place; if they do not understand and continue interrupting, down them and again, inform them again. Finishing an interrupting player is not tolerated, but if need be over several warnings, must be done.
- Abusing mobs/environment will not be permitted (example – C&Ding off animals/spectators)
- NEW If you would like to have team duels (2v2, 3v3, and so forth), you need to contact the individuals you want to have duels with (Guilds/Server players) and arrange a location to have one. The team duel ends when the last person is downed (previous team members need to be finished, and stay finished until after the last person is downed).
If you have any other questions about further rules or clarifications, contact me ASAP before Fight Club

All players are encouraged to come to this weekly event. I have been able to contact certain guilds to come to have an expected Fight Club at the asked time. To avoid hatred against opposing servers, detrimental comments are not tolerated and will not be respected, please keep in mind, attenders of this event are only trying to have a specific type of fun and improvement towards friendship with other servers and WvWing.

Fight Club is about practice against other classes! Do not be discouraged if you lose a fight, be persistent, but also be mindful that other players want to have fun too! Keep dueling =)

Fight Club will start in approximately 5 hours from this post, if anyone has any questions, contact me to clear our misunderstanding.

Hope to see you new players! Enjoy!

(Sorry for multiple posts, I am not trying to spam. Just trying to have this post on at least one on each page because people talk too much poop >.<)

Glad to see other tiers and servers still having fun with this

I gotta say, in all honesty, this tier is very unlike the numbers game matchups. Yes we are outmanned but the open battles here are much more advanced than most I’ve seen, and I been everywhere from T8 to t2.

We can really use some NA support, so if you are interested in having a great time fighting, learning, and showing dedication please feel free to join us

Just poppin in to see how DH has been, hope its been good, miss some of yall. Good Luck.

Oh and reposting again sry.

! Fight Club !
Time: 4PM PST, tomorrow (Thursday)
Location: Kaineng BL, south supply camp
This is where we can show our skill, but at the same time relieve some stress. With the score being what it is now, we can still have some fun. This is what Fight Club is all about. If you’re friendly, want to get to know people or guilds from other servers, and can wait in line, then your invited
We can party up to chat it up or you can even vent up with us to help keep your side coordinated throughout the event
Rules:
Opponents must be identified, usually by entering the ring or going up to one another.
Both opponents must do a /bow before the fight starts
Once a player is down the fight stops and both /bow and exit the ring
You can stay on your servers side of the area if your shy lol ;p, or mingle and costume brawl while your waiting as well
1v1
2v2
3v3
4v4
5v5
Golem v Golem
etc.
Bring your own beer and enjoy and have fun, hope to see every one there

I have been gone for a few months but I’m back now, this has been a tradition of our guild (RE) since the first few weeks or WvW, hope to see every one there (I will be late due to gym time

Whisper Ethersin to make sure it’s still going down as I wont be on at that time :/

I been gone for a few months, and the last match I commanded in was in T5-4 I think. The guild I am in had experienced this before, when we where in DH went from bottom to T3 I think once, then settled in T5. No one in my guild wants that to happen to us again. Not sure what has changed with WvW in this tier, but I do know the open field battle has evolved a lot. But for the few days I have been back I also notice a decrease in defensive seige teams, and 5 man teams.

I’ll see where I can make improvements for KN again but I can say the fights have been so much fun

! Fight Club !
Time: 4PM PST, tomorrow (Thursday)
Location: Kaineng BL, south supply camp
This is where we can show our skill, but at the same time relieve some stress. With the score being what it is now, we can still have some fun. This is what Fight Club is all about. If you’re friendly, want to get to know people or guilds from other servers, and can wait in line, then your invited
We can party up to chat it up or you can even vent up with us to help keep your side coordinated throughout the event
Rules:
Opponents must be identified, usually by entering the ring or going up to one another.
Both opponents must do a /bow before the fight starts
Once a player is down the fight stops and both /bow and exit the ring
You can stay on your servers side of the area if your shy lol ;p, or mingle and costume brawl while your waiting as well
1v1
2v2
3v3
4v4
5v5
Golem v Golem
etc.
Bring your own beer and enjoy and have fun, hope to see every one there

I have been gone for a few months but I’m back now, this has been a tradition of our guild (RE) since the first few weeks or WvW, hope to see every one there (I will be late due to gym time

6 hour que? seriously !?!?!……

InfamousBrad.5879:

Having caught up on and reviewed the thread, there’s a purely theoretical question that won’t leave my mind:

Is it, in fact, good game design to let guilds migrate down? To transfer from high-ranking PvP servers to lower-ranking ones? Never mind that it’s probably impossible to stop if you allow server moves at all, how much of this week’s drama was created by this one design decision?

Having all these high-ranking guilds deliberately drop all the way down to the bottom of the WvW ratings and work their way up again feels, to me, like it griefed a whole lot of people. It guaranteed them a steady stream of opponents who could do nothing but feed them free XP and free loot bags, while costing those opponents more in armor repairs (on top of anything else) than they could possibly earn back. That seems, to my admittedly very limited perspective, to be the source of a lot of QQing: that a lot of us who aren’t on Kaineng feel like it was an abuse of the match-up system to expect us to fight these guys, like having a world heavyweight boxing contender show up at your local gym and go all-out on the local players because he needs some easy wins to boost his confidence or his career stats or something, like having an NFL team practice on a Pee Wee league team.

I’ve only barely thought about this enough to realize that it’s probably not stoppable. Even if you only allowed people in guilds on high-ranked servers to transfer laterally or up, they’d just quit the guild, then transfer, right? It’s not like you could tag every account with a lifetime WvW score, could you, and lock them from transferring to servers full of noobs? Right? I’m not being sarcastic here, I’m thinking out loud; this is the best I could come up with, and I feel like there are probably easily poked holes in the design.

That being said, a question: if you transferred to a tier-15 server from a tier-4 server in hopes of building a WvW culture from the ground up? Why didn’t you, instead, transfer to a tier 1 or tier 2 server where such a culture already existed? What was the appeal of being a big fish in a small pond?

That sir, would be a sellout, like every other guild who transferd there to login and win. We didnt want to go out like that, we want to earn it. It is different.

Arcadio.6875:

It looks like CD will be Kaineng’s next opponent rather than DB. CD has already lost several guilds in the last couple of days and some of their players are describing the situation as an exodus. Even if it’s not as bad as SBI/IoJ, Kaineng will be winning their T4 match by a landslide.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Yes it does seem so. I have personally been waiting for CD/YB, I hear they are not as strong as the YB and CD my guild has fought before but it does not matter, these two servers were a large part of making me pull my hair out LOL.

GLYB and CD, not sure if I will see the same 50 man zergs again but if I do it should be even this time around Much respect and will be an honor to fight you two on the battlefield again

This just deeply saddens me, literally, please stop…

I loved that server, and it did feel like a job for so long, we are very glad to have the support of more organized NA presence and a great if not the best night time presence. No need to make me remember these things again ok.

Nina.4596:

I love it when u say, your guild was the only guild actually doing something in there. So Abyss/PD/DHE/Brazillian guilds is just chopped liver. GG.

Abyss was one commander, yes he was good, but PD/DHE, etc were just not large enough. We tried, we really did try, I tried so hard and put so many hours in. We asked for help, I am sorry for what happened, but I promise you we tried.

Nina.4596:

Caliburn.1845:

It is with great sadness that I want to announce that Win Everyday(WE) is moving from Darkhaven to Dragonbrand. We’ve been with Darkhaven since the release of the game(three of our commanders are among the first ten on the server), we have helped build up the server since the DHU alliance tore the heart out of Darkhaven’s WvW forces, we helped again after Darkhaven reached tier4 and was destroyed. But the situation for Darkhaven’s organic WvW scene is worse than ever before. After the DHU fiasco Darkhaven had RE, GoF, SE, HoT, HVN and WE ready to step in and rebuild."

Now? GoF is gone, SE is gone, HoT has more or less retired from WvW, HVN has folded, RE is leaving.

This would not be crippling for Darkhaven, if it had another group of guilds waiting in the wings to save the server. But it does not. I’ve watched closely, putting hours into WvW every single day since release. Guilds like Omen, DRoW, SoS all had potential to really aid Darkhaven’s WvW scene, but none have reached critical mass, and each has somewhat withdrawn from WvW.

WE have tried the alliance game. We’ve tried the server-community website. We’ve offered a public mumble to everyone on Darkhaven. There has been little to no response. We’ve coordinated and communicated with anyone and everyone on the server who are willing. And the vast bulk of the server doesn’t care. Their version of WvW is simple. Enter WvW and ask, “Where is the karma train?” If there is no karma train, leave WvW. Defend? Not a chance.

And we’re done trying. It isn’t worth it anymore. Darkhaven is a PVE server at heart. BURN, DHE, TRA and others all have hundreds of members, and have little to no desire to do WvW.

To that small band of loyal fighters(those who respond to defensive calls, and leave the karma train) we’re sorry to abandon you. Silverback, Skap, Togochubb, Lokii, Flint; Omen, DR, PD, EXE, PaK members, and a few others I’m sure I’m forgetting. We’re sorry. You guys all deserve so much better.

WE like working with you guys, and hope you’ll consider coming along to Dragonbrand.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/12-28-DH-DB-BP/page/2#post1106405

brief RE history. Something tells me when they finally meet a server with the same amount of ppl online for WvW (aka Dragonbrand), we’ll be seeing another one of these speeches, only from Kaineng. And that NEO alliance will be another DHU.

“Caliburn.1845:
Couple points.
1) When RE leaves, the last DH guild fielding 20+ numbers routinely in WvW will be gone. Saying the WvW scene on Darkhaven is dead is silly, saying that the organized WvW scene is dead, is accurate.”

Yes we left a dead server, we left a server that would not support us in WvW, no night time presence and very apparent lack of NA support as well. One NA guild can not keep an entire server up in T5+. What dont you understand buddy, our leave was not due to being evenly matched or coming across solid competition. Our leave was due to being the only large organized WvW guild left on an entire server period. We can not maintain that kind of expectation alone. We received no help, as noted in your quote, no PvE’ers cared enough to support us, the PUG’s were not learning as much as we tried, and I will tell you, we tried so hard, I remember too many nights were me and my guildies stayed in WvW for 12-16 hours, sacrificing sleep and a personal life for a dieing server with very little support. Dont you dare come here and slander us like this. You have no idea what your talking about, please just stop.

It was so bad, we sacrificed our time to have some presence for night time, so many hours being very much out manned, all the few of us could do is keep refreshing the siege and wait for the attack, that was our achievement for the day, was wait to get zerged by DB’s night time presence with less than 10 of us on the map at 3-4 AM, bunkered down in a keep waiting for them to come. This is not how we wanted to do WvW anymore.

Please, just stop with the flaming and harrasment. Yes we are beating you, but please enough is enough a couple more days and you want see us again, I truly am sorry for the WvW state of both of your servers, we have been there too, but please no need to keep harrasing us on the forums.

Every one please just report this thread it is pure troll and causes more flame and harrasing behavior.

! Fight Club !

Time: 4PM PST, tomorrow (Thursday)
Location: Kaineng BL, south supply camp

This is where we can show our skill, but at the same time relieve some stress. With the score being what it is now, we can still have some fun. This is what Fight Club is all about. If you’re friendly, want to get to know people or guilds from other servers, and can wait in line, then your invited

We can party up to chat it up or you can even vent up with us to help keep your side coordinated throughout the event

Rules:

Opponents must be identified, usually by entering the ring or going up to one another.
Both opponents must do a /bow before the fight starts
Once a player is down the fight stops and both /bow and exit the ring

You can stay on your servers side of the area if your shy lol ;p, or mingle and costume brawl while your waiting as well

1v1
2v2
3v3
4v4
5v5
Golem v Golem
etc.

Bring your own beer and enjoy and have fun, hope to see every one there

Elochai.1280:

Littlefeather.8623:

Elochai.1280:

More like Kaineng the official bandwagon server or transfer server.

Yea, Bandwagon a server that was in T8 when we went to it, that makes sense

Yep then you got a guild here or there and went up a tier got more and moved up more and so on. That’s a bandwagon and transfer server. Just calling it what it is.

If my guild wanted to bandwagon, we would have abandoned our original server (Darkhaven) to go to blackgate just like the other guilds did when we lost in T3, no we stayed till we were the last ones, but we werent going to sale out like that, our guild leader Ethersin decided to try to create a WvW focused server from the bottom up, this is why we are here.