Guild Wars 2

Thing is im 100% unbiased. I played almost all classes extensively in pvp and i played warrior the most. So why would i pick on warriors unless there was a reason for it?

Introp youre a hotjoin hero that claims that he wins 50% of his 1v1s vs other hotjoin people….while playing warrior. Hotjoin players are in 99.99% of the cases a lot worse than the guys youll meet in soloq (esp if youre in the top 1000). The only exception is a random soloq player that does some hotjoins while waiting for queues to pop.

Meanwhile youre arrogant and pretend you have a clue. Play a couple of 100 games in the top 1000 and come back. Untill then, please be quiet.

Introp.8465:

And who takes photos of random kills – thats seems odd to me

I make like 2-3 screenshots per game. I recently deleted like 1500 of them

I do this mostly since GW2 lacks a way to keep track of the guys you faced. Like in wow i used an addon called reflex arenahistorian to keep track of who i faced, what my stats where in the game etc.

Introp.8465:

^ still waiting. You rank on leaderboards is pathetic, you can now stop pointing at it as if would be lifetime achievement. 52% w/l in any team game is average for a person who has normal reaction time and some game knowledge.

P.S. im too lazy to rip you words out of context, just imagine i did so

You do realize there is MMR and its soloq right? So thats 52% vs people like on that screenshot. Percentage doesnt mean anything untill you know who that person faced in the matches he played.

Add to that, that i play all professions in soloq.

Introp.8465:

I would call my tpvp skill average, playing mostly hotjoin, but in 1×1 duels ( but game is not about them) on same skill opponents i go even with thiefs ( mostly die to them or they retreat), mesmers, eles, engis, guardians. So i see this as somehow balanced

Youre an average tournament player (who plays warrior) yet:

- You lose 50/50 against hotjoin eles, mesmers, thieves, engis and guardians?
- You dont show up on the leaderboard (not even in the percentages) yet somehow you know youre average in tournaments.

Youre either trolling or ….

Introp.8465:

i have not a slightest clue.

^ I guess its that.

Amonatory.2453:

You guys have to remember, the people who cry about warriors are obviously not a skilled player.. Now, heal sig does need the nerf it’s getting but honestly the only time I lose to a warrior is when I mess up. In my opinion warriors are an easy class, but not OP..

Pretty much all top tier tpvp players made statements like that. So i guess all those guys are not skilled?

I think you are talking about wvw where 99.99% of the players are comparable to trashmobs difficulty wise. Its really bold to make claims that something is OP or not if meeting guys that are on par skillwise is a rarity. AND there is somewhat of a powercreep in wvw due to ascended gear and certain nerfs not being applied to wvw.

Introp.8465:

Btw guy as you claimed to beat ( doubt it happened on even grounds) has 62% w/l, while you got 52%. If you are so op, why you dont have higher win rate?
Oh, let me guess, maybe because game is not about 1×1, what do you think?
P.S. there are factor to performance as well – person can test a build, play with irl friends who are bad making game to a 3×5 scenario and so on. And yesterday i created a thief, entered hotjoin and beat rank war 2 on leaderboards 3 times in a row, ask him if you dont believe.

You dont seem to get it. The point is that im not that good (yet) and still win versus top tier competition since i play warrior. What do you think happened when ROM dueled sizer (the warrior and thief of the best eu team atm)? The thief got his kitten handed to him. What happened when Caed dueled Anastarcis? Exactly the thief got his kitten handed to him again.

Also a lie right? Lies that where witnessed by 100s of viewers. Right?

How did i get 14 might stacks without actually fighting the thief? Photoshopped right?

Stop defending your OP class hotjoin warrior, just because you get destroyed by random hotjoin thieves.

Introp.8465:

No, i mean its your word only. I dont see this thief here, do you?
This means that any bullkitten you said, i dont buy it. You can tell you beat 2 thiefs at the same time using axe 1 chains.

Your points are based on your words/fantasy. You screenshot proves nothing, so dont expect me to believe it. Only people siding with ‘warrior is OP’ will buy it, because they have same side of the argument.

Lets be honest here. Even if i came with video proof, you would find an excuse. Every neutral person can see that. Find me a thief that can kill me 1v1 (within a reasonable timeframe) or gtfo with your random statements.

Fact is that i played warrior extensively against top tier competition (while you havent). Most players in the game on that screenshot for example are top 10-100*. And I know the class is to strong atm. Especially at the top of the leaderboard.

Why would i lie about a class i played a lot myself? Why would i post a fake screenshot describing an incorrect situation while everyone can ask the guy what happened? It doesnt make sense. What does make sense is that you are trying to convince yourself in to believing that warrior is balanced atm.

• http://www.gw2score.com/PvP

Introp.8465:

Its your word against no ones. Im non buying that
And you dont need 3 stances if you can play the game, seems like being top means just to play a lot, not to play good

Stop being so jealous of my amazing skill! You mean its my word + the thiefs? Do you think you can do better than him on thief? Feel free to proof me wrong.

Nah being top means the guy can play. Unless he got in to a lucky streak on a new account that skyrocketed his MMR. Which isnt the case if you look at his record.

Introp.8465:

im sorry this shows what?
Thief was attacking far point. You could have found him with 10% hp, without cooldowns and so on. These ‘proofs’ are funny.
Btw im sorry for your if you run 3 stance build. Shows everything about your skill. 3 stance build is not op, but requires 0 skill to play, which you are proud of it seems.

I fought him 3 times in pure 1v1s that game, all of them he lost hard. Feel free to ask him.

Almost everyone at the top of the ladder runs 3 stances. To say something about something that is so standard shows how little you know about warrior gameplay at the top of the leaderboards.

AND i only needed my balance stance during that fight. So i guess that means im extra skilled!

I guess im just amazingly skilled on warrior. Note how i didnt need any of my damage immunities. Thief is currently rank 24 on eu leaderboards. So much skill…amazing

Its a combination of things:

- Its one of the easiest classes to be effective with in tpvp (this is the main thing).
- Immunities
- Combustive shot covering an entire node, basicly forcing anything but bunkery build characters off the node.
- Passive heal (so no risk to get interupted)
- Some builds being able to do very good burst and/or sustained damage while being tanky at the same time.
- Pindown with its poor telegraph, long immob and high dmg bleeds.

If you combine these features you get a class that is a valuable asset whereever you put it. They can defend homenodes, push far nodes solo, are great in teamfights, great 1v1ers vs all roamers (thieves, eles, mesmers), can sustain for a bit vs multiple ppl due to their immunities, etc etc.

And yes ive played warrior extensively vs top tier competition.

despair.1385:

i play mmo’s for the PvP. i was considering returning to gw2 but the following issue is making me angry.

you don’t get any rewards for doing sPvP. you don’t even get XP from sPvP. if I am not rewarded by putting my time into something then it is pointless.

so all there is left is WvW. that is not enough to make me want to play. i like sPvP, just too bad there is no point to playing it.

They added a way to level via pvp. You can buy scrolls from one of the pvp vendors that will give you 1 (pve) level per scroll.

They are in the process of changing the gear system aswell. Within a relatively short period of time you will be able to obtain gear in pvp that is usable in pve (and vice versa ofc).

I wonder if people complained about this if the entire skin was darker (like catwomans outfit) and the mask showed your own face.

Nocturne.6028:

I unsubscribed from WoW, because there’s going to be a 6 month contentless lul between Siege of Orgrimmar and the next expansion. I decided it’s time for a new MMO for at least the next six months.

On WoW I am primarily an arena or rated battle ground player and also a role player. I secured the rank of Rival which is in the top ten percentile for all arena players.

I don’t play mmos for PvP though, which I suppose is ironic, I like exploration a lot more, but there’s no exploration in WoW, I know where everything is.

So if you played WoW in the past maybe tell me which class I would like to start off with. I preferred hunter class. And perhaps leave some tips that the intro guides didn’t really tell you.

I am a former wow RBG and arena player aswell: http://i.imgur.com/b6ud71T.jpg. Quit wow for good to play this.

The main advice i could give you is that there is a huge difference between classes in this game. Some are more simplified than frost DKs while others are more complex and more difficult to figure out than anything youll find in wow. Its easy to pick the wrong class and see this game as too easy.

I started out with a ranger since i liked playing hunter in wow aswell. It was far less complex and fun than wows hunter imo. It bored me so much that i whent back to wow. Since i thought all classes where similar back then i didnt bother looking further.

1 month later i came back and i started playing engineer and thats been my main since. Thats about a year ago. If i had to give you an advice for a class id say elementalist or engineer. Thief and mesmer are ok aswell but a bit easier mechanics wise.

The main difference between wow and GW2 is that GW2 combat is more twitch. Its really about knowing all classes, what to dodge when to use your relatively short CD CDs etc. Its a bit of a reaction game and a different mindset than in wow. So try to avoid playing it like in wow. In fact….that applies to the entire game, both pve and pvp.

Some of the advantages in pvp compared to wow:

- No cheaters, boosted ppl and bots.
- Money and leveling via spvp
- Soloqeueus with their own seperate ladders.
- No queuetimes for unrated pvp.
- Spectator mode
- A dev team that actually tries to improve the game (eventho they arent succesfull all the time.)

Im not the biggest expert in PvE so maybe someone else can give pointers. for that.

Just make sure you join a good guild OP or find some people that can show you the ropes while playing. Its really hard to tell you about everything that is going on in this game via a forum post like this. Better to find out while playing.

foofad.5162:

No. That’s your actual skin. You can tell, because your character’s belly button is an obvious divot. If it were a zentai suit (catsuit, superhero suit, whatever you want to call it) then the divot of your belly button would be obscured by the fabric, it wouldn’t get magically sucked in.

My characters belly button doesnt even show in the light blue area. Its under the red + dark blue decoration*. And even if it did show (which it doesnt)….

http://www.giantsizemarvel.com/2011/01/alan-davis-women-of-marvel-cover.html

Almost all of all these classic american superheriones have “divots” where their bellybutton is. So i guess those comics contain a lot of nudity aswell and YOU would consider that cover a collection of naked superheroines?

Kagu.2015:

I like blue color but armor is too reveling.

It doesnt reveal anything, its a bodysuit comparable to the bodysuits superheroines wear:

https://www.google.nl/search?q=superheroines+marvel&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=pDEFU9nCNcif0wXdo4GwCw&ved=0CC8QsAQ&biw=1920&bih=979

Compare it too and youll see it looks quite similar:

Falados.7165:

Oh cool but what about engineer i havent made one since (already have 80 necro/ranger and both got boring at the end and quitted before the first expac came out) …. and what race would be nice with engineer

Emgineer is in my eyes eyes the most diverse and fun class ive played in any MMO. Race doesnt really matter. Depends a bit on what animations you prefer.

Some of the early concept art including a few loading screens:

http://www.kekaiart.com/guild-wars-2.html

I think it has a very superheroin-esque feel to it, especially if you hide the headpiece. But it still has the grim somewhat goth touch with the details on the middle areas and the blade looking things on the boots and gloves.

Love the details on certain parts of the armor, like the worn leathery look on the skirt area, the realistic ripples etc on the backarea of the skirt.

The only points of critique would be:

- The vizor area of the helm. Would prefer to see my characters face.
- Would be nice to be able to choose the colour of the lightblue bits.

style.6173:

You just haven’t played with good eles.

Ive played with and against what are literally the best eles on the ladder (phantaram etc)….its still better to have them on the other team. And those eles know that aswell.

Nothing against those players. I respect them for playing an underdog class and they are probs mechanically better than 99% of the other players. So i will never trash them for playing the "wrong"class. But still …

Lordrosicky.5813:

Playing with PHD on ts is hilarious because we always team fight and lose whilst phd is “getting far” then he QQs at us for losing team fights.

“I’ve got far”
“How do you lose a team fight, there is something seriously wrong with you guys”

haha

I remember a game on foefire with him on my team. At the end he pushed far and was 1v2. When he died he started shouting at us how much we sucked and how he is one of the best players in the world. But at the same time we got both close and mid, which was partially since he kept 2 busy.

So we won in the end, but we still sucked apperantly.

Can you stop trolling norvoz? No offense but youre a guy in the percentages with 48 rated games played. And youre calling out a guy who has been top 10 since the leaderboards got introduced.

On top of that he is duelling a warrior who has way more experience than you do. So yes if you duelled Caed you would be right…it would be a cakewalk for him. But thats purely since you have less experience than he does.

If your homedefender rotates mid fast enough you will be 4v4 in mid. The guy who pushes far will prefent the cap while your team has inc points from home. And if he wins the 1v1 he has a relatively easy cap.

Thats the theory behind it.

azuzephyr.7280:

The devs are fed up with warriors

Correct me if im wrong but one of the main pvp devs plays a warrior as main :x

Might sound weird, but i play on my alts.

Cynz.9437:

i don’t think it is even mmr based looking how i get lv 1 teams vs lv 60s and i was at 300 on ladder… during prime time too

how does it happen? humor me

Depends who is online and available at that moment. In a community as small as GW2s you will end up in somewhat of a mixed group at times. I heard there is no matchmaking for teamqueues either (i assume your statement is about teamqueues joined as soloplayer).

The average game of a higher rated soloq player will have more people in them that know what they are doing, if compared to the games of people in the low percentages.

eleshazar.6902:

Actually, I would guess that my MMR is pretty decent. I will by no means claim that I’m near the top, but I have done my fair share of pvp, and I’m almost always placed in matchups where people I play with are about 30 ranks above me (I understand ranks don’t equal skill, but spending that much time in pvp means you can’t be that horrible either).

Judging by the number of games you played and your current standing on the ladder it cant be that high :P

Ive seen some horrible rank 50+ players to be honest. Ooh the stories i could tell you …

eleshazar.6902:

And that is the problem, the algorithm is based on MMR alone (or at least from appearance to the players). I’ve never seen another pvp game that doesn’t take into account the professions/class of the people on a team.

Once you get you MMR / position on the ladder up a bit this situation wil improve. People will switch classes if the comp really needs a certain class/role.

I would like a system like wows LFG system in PvE where you have to select in advance what your prefered role is (bunker teamfighter or roamer). On top of that i would try to prefent class stacking (unless the other guy fulfils a different role).

Downside could be that queuetimes will end up skyrocketing.

eleshazar.6902:

Precisely. they had a better team comp. (Maybe you didn’t notice that I said this was Solo Q and thought it was team Q) Ours was awful. Since we don’t get to choose our teams in Solo Q this is the fault of the algorithm that puts people together.

Im quite sure he understood your post perfectly fine.

Matchmaking in soloq is based on MMR and not on professions/comps. So its a bit about luck aswell. If you dont have the ideal comp you need to adjust to the situation. As the guy you quoted stated aswell.

Edit:

To reply to your OP. Im not sure what 1 single soloq game youve been in has to do with the popularity of pvp in this game.

Cooper.8049:

I really want to switch to a engineer, but I here it can be difficult. I’m watching videos on it, but i don’t see how it is because you can only have one weapon it looks easy for a far..

Engineers have the option to use kits in their uttilitie slots that have their own 5 abbilities like weapons. So they have more abbilities to work with than the average class in this game.

Another thing that makes engineers relatively complex is that they have a lot of combo fields and finishers to work with. Which are effects you gain by combing two different skills. A small overview of what these do:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Combo

gesho.9468:

on what sort of map? and objective?

What they want is 2v2 and 3v3 arenas, similar to arenas in wow. Its basicly a deathmatch in a relative small area.

We whont get 2v2 or 3v3 untill the pvp community is big enough to support both 5v5 gamemodes and 2v2s/3v3s.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

Thats a poor argument.
I stand top 5 europe on solo q & 400 team q (solo join)
Therefore “bad” is a word not related to the reality of my rating. Bad is mixing unexperienced players with old ones.
.

To illustrate that; Last time i fought you in soloq i was in a team with a rank 2 zerker staff ele, on legend of foefire.

Games are literally a mish mash of every single type of player. I think its purely due to lacking numbers so the system grabs w/e is available.

I agree with one major point you mentioned in this post; they need to shove their egos out of the way and study the way succesfull pvp games handled things. There is no need to reinvent the wheel.

Dont be so mean guys! He tried at least :p

Eventhough youre probably trolling OP; just a few pointers from me:

People like to see “skillfull” plays. Clutch moments where you timed certain abbilities really well or avoided big burst moments of opponents.

Showing somewhat zergy teamfights, a fight at canon where a necro got feared down by your fear me or a 1v1 where we didnt see anything besides that a random warrior was at low health all of a sudden isnt the way to go imo.

Its a class that i see as a roamer with a lot of spike dmg. A class like that should be better at kiting / being mobile than it is now. Right now classes with more sustain can stay on top of them or roam just as good as they can.

I would bring them up to par or close to thieves mobility wise. I would drastically lower the CD of lighting flash as a first step.

If they added 2v2 and 3v3, conquest would draw even less players / die out completely. Which is the main reason why these new gamemodes need to fit in to the 5v5 mold.

That doesnt mean that i dont want it personally. But i think the pvp community needs to be big enough to support both gamemodes before they can introduce it.

@ mightmicah; He meant “what classes do you like to see in your team besides your own”

Skyhammer skip pass for soloq.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unidentified_Dye_

Is what i do with them. Create dyes for yourself or to sell on the TP.

Zoid.2568:

This summer. It’s in June or July.

Would be smart. Release in china + feature patch in the west will mean numbers will grow, despite inc competetition.

It would help if we would know:

- What profession you play.
- What your traits are.
- What your current level is.

I hate skyhammer with a passion. Im 100 % certain that skyhammer and skyhammer like mechanics (1-2 shots) are huge part of the reason why GW2s spvp flopped so incredibly hard. At this moment pvp in this game a total waste of resources.

Listening to the few trolls that will insist that this map is great, will keep the pvp in this game in an everlasting downed state.

Mayra.1230:

Also, you can upgrade your backpack to 80 Slots in Star Wars. It was like I couldn’t carry ANYTHING in WoW!!! Plus in SW you can send your companion to “sell junk” and free space at any time.
Another concern I have is the time it takes to hit Endgame. I’ve heard it is very easy to Level to 80 and it happens fairly quickly. I have also heard that Endgame “sucks” in GW2. Is there any truth to these rumors?
Mayra

- My current backpack size is 150 slots and the max is 160. You can buy extra bagslots via the gemstore BUT everything on the gemstore can be bought with gold aswell (which is relatively easy to come buy in this game). If you dont buy those extra bagslots your max bagspace is 100.
- There is a really handy system in GW2 to solve the issue of bagclutter. There is an option to “deposit collectables” that will send items that are used in crafting straight to your bank. In your bank there is a tab with collectables where you can “bank” 250 (or more if you upgrade it) of each item. You can find the deposit button if you open your bag and click on the wheel on the top right of the inventory.
- If you play the game at a normal pace it should take about an hour per level (after the first 15 levels which are a bit faster). I wouldnt try to do it as fast as possible if i where you.
- Regarding endgame. It depends what you want as a player. GW2 doesnt have traditional raids like in wow or SWTOR. Instead it has a lot of very diverse and community based content like the twisted marionette for example.

If youre the type of player that likes to experience a bit of everything this game has a lot of endgame. A lot of dungeons, fractals, guildmissions, wvw, living story events, pvp, etc.

Allie Murdock.8152:

we’re trying to get metrics on that before we make any changes.

You know what, ill help you out on this one.

What i can do is play a couple of 100 soloq games coming week and screenshot every single matchup. I can ask the players on those screenshots what they think about the map and if they think it should be out of the rotation.

I can make a nice spreadsheet for you so can see the results with your own eyes. I will start this research coming monday.

Kicast.1459:

Maybe you have real figures…if yes where do you get them from ?

That strawpoll with like 400 votes is allready quite reliable if you compare it to the active pvp community. But as i stated before in this post i will investigate it further.

Its quite sad to be honest. Elementalist is one of the few classes in this game that is really well designed overall. It has proper combat rotations, proper risk and reward and proper depth as a result of that. And most importantly, its really enjoyable to play.

But it isnt viable enough.

I wouldnt really get anry with or block the guys who say something about it to be honest. They are right and every decent ele player knows that aswell. Ive won 4v5 games since the other team had 2 eles…eventhough those eles where experienced and decent enough skillwise: http://i.imgur.com/q9fRLzX.jpg

So i hope that Anet fixes eles in the right way. I would personally give them more mobility. Its a class that i see as a spikey roamer, so the mobility should be on par with classes like thieves. They should be able to kite instead of trying to sustain.

Lets be honest about it. GW2s pvp flopped incredibly hard. It pulls less numbers than my Age of Mythology private server atm. A game that was launched ten years ago.

One of the main reasons why it flopped so hard was lack of depth. Specific classes/builds are far to simplistic for a competetive pvp game. Where combat in good pvp games is about setting up kills, killing someone in this game is often done in 2-3 button presses max.

A good example is a condi warrior who can use two poorly telegraphed ranged abbilities that will kill someone if they dont cleanse it fast enough.

Skyhammer makes the situation even worse. Where the oversimplistic classes were bad enough allready they added the possibilitie to one shot someone via map specific mechanics.

Skyhammer is a map that is hated by pretty much all real pvp minded players.

Generally people who would otherwise cheat/hack, buy rating boosts or play the scummiest fotm class or comps tend like this map. Instead of properly learning how to pvp they need shortcuts like giant lazerbeams or other mechanics that one shot opponents.

It has nothing to do with awareness or learning how to play this map. I know kitten well how to play it. Being succesfull at this =/= enjoying it.

Lets imagine they created a new class that has only 1 abbilitie, but that abbilitie will one shot you. A class like that will never be fun in my eyes; not to play with and not to play against.

Same applies to skyhammer.

Its probs my favourite release overall. I lost track of time when playing it last night so i ended up sleeping only 3 hours last night :P

It felt like a really diverse pvp experience with both small scale and larger scale fights. And the action was almost non stop.

Candar.8140:

I believe that there is an anti-Skyahmmer community that are inadvertantly demonising it as result of months of frustration that really lies elsewhere in the game.

One of the main reasons why GW2 pvp flopped is lack of combat depth. A lot of classes lack proper rotations for example. Or single abbilities have such an enormous impact that those rotations arent required to be succesfull. To name an example: if i play on condi warrior i can kill ppl with two ranged poorly telegraphed instants.

This isnt the type of gameplay that will attract a good long term pvp playerbase.

Skyhammer adds extra mechanics like this. Its synonymous to GW2 flopping as pvp game.

Candar.8140:

• Is the number of voters is representative of the player base. If so, which regions or is this a global phenomenon? 337 (arbitrary number) out of player base of tens of thousands is not representative,

300 votes after a day in community that is as small as GW2s pvp community is a really substantial number.