The vast majority of the “top” stats can be obtained in areas of the map that are irrelevant for winning the game.
What you propose will result in very zergy matches, where ppl fight whereever. Pretty much like deathmatch but worse. Ppl will be able to compensate their kittenty timing / inabilitie to kill someone with “doing as much damage as possible” for example.
The pvp community in GW2 has never been big enough to support a competetive 5v5 scene.
If they do add the possibility to join as a 5 man team, it will only reduce the competetiveness. Due to the lack of competetive teams the majority of 5 man teams where and will be used as a tool to gain an edge over smaller scale teams.
I mean all this says really is that how top stats are determined should be changed. For your example, defending 1v2 or 1v3 should be given you a lot more points towards the defensive top stat than if you were 1v1. It doesn’t mean that top stats are flawed, just that how they are determined needs some work.
That will not do anything…
Ill put it in to a very simple example to make you understand why top stats in general are a very poor measuring tool:
Player A:
- Defended (often the only remaining) points solo vs 2-3.
- Didnt die once and still managed to kill 10 ppl solo.
- Did 400k dmg.
Player B:
- Chased and fought random solo thieves, mesmers etc with 2 teammates.
- Died 15 times but killed 15 aswell.
- Did 420k dmg.
Player A gets 1 top stat “defense”…..and player B gets 2 "kills"and “damage done”.
According to the OP player B needs to gain more rating than player A.
No. I don’t want to encourage people to go after top stats over winning the game.
Thats exactly what top stats do allready.
The vast majority of players that communicate about a game after a win / loss refer to their top stats to measure their value for the teams succes. Look at the OP for example.
I cant count the times where i was defending our only remaining node vs 2-3 while the rest of my team was chasing “top stats”.
Still waiting for an expert answer to this. Considering every game can be carried, there are no bad teammates at any rating, losing is always your own fault etc
You dont seem to get it do you?
Ofcourse there are bad teammates. But they end up on both teams. If u get unlucky with your teammates 1 game, you get lucky the next.
That means that in the long run the only differentiating factor in your series of rated games is…you.
Add to that that there are players (like Drazeh for example) who started at 1500 after placement and ended up above 2000 1 day later.
There is no such thing as unlucky players. I played with and vs a handfull of the ppl who claim in these very threads that they are unlucky…..and they all where beyond horrible.
Good to know all the players around 1200 rating are there because of their own skillfull play, not because it is the dumping ground for placement matches. Thank you.
No u misunderstood me. All players around 1200 are there due to lack of luck. If they where a bit more lucky they could be top 10 no problemo.
Oh right, they just got very unlucky in placement and should be higher ranked! That play I saw in two games on different teams was not indicative of their skill at all!
These forums are excellent every season.
U know….all players who win, win due to their own skillfull play. If they lose its due to bad luck.
If you account name is close to your Ele name, I can tell you why your teams are losing -> Its your play and your build.
You were on my team and we lost horribly because you went down in seconds, next game you were on opp team and we dropped you in seconds and won.
Thank you for posting that screenshot actually, it confirms that people on the forums complain when it is indeed their fault they are where they are at. There is no way, with the play I saw in two back to back games, you deserve to be at the same MMR I am.
No no no. That is just a pro league level player who was unlucky.
I think you are wrong, if you place low, and when you starts playing and meet players that don’t know what to do, u won’t have 80% win rate. Bronze and silver is full of those players that can’t be carried.
Since you can’t carry the team, doesn’t matter if you are good or not, you won’t win it.
Nonsense….its easy to carry at low ratings.
Unless your skillevel is close to the rating where you are playing at (1500er playing at 1300 or 1400).
I think its a really dumb idea personally often posted by low rated/ unexprienced and overall clueless players. Since it promotes all the bad behaviour all the top players tend to hate.
- Youll get ppl double triple or even quadruple capping empty points.
- Ppl chasing kills 4v1 like a random thief running around the map with 4 ppl chasing him.
- Entire teams going to kill minibosses at forest while letting the opposing team cap their nodes.
- Ppl not focussing on finishing ppl of or timing a burst to land a kill. No they need to get top damage so they will just use their PvE rotations and try to get top dmg instead.
Its literally everything a real pvper doesnt want.
So you have almost the same win/loss ratio as me yet I’m in Silver T3 when im consistently getting top stats. That just shows this system is broken.
Lets say i played vs my 4 year old cousin and his friends who all never played GW2. I win and get lots of top stats.
Now i play vs Denial Esports….i win but get 0 top stats.
So following your theory the game vs my 4 year old cousin and his 3-4 year old friends should reward me equal or even more MMR than playing vs the world champs. I got them top stats overall ye?
obviously you dont know what you are talking about. I started at 600 and now i am at 850. How do you carry a team that is trio capping close at the beginning of the game? I mean of course im climbing but you cant just carry every game, and the games i lose make me lose all my motivation to continue playing.
Btw I played now 5 games with a mate, we won all of them. Maybe its just duoq which solves the problem.
U are playing vs 600 mmr ppl. Ofc u can carry every game lol. There are no good players with u…..but at 600 there are no good players against you either.
And now here you are, lucking out in placement and finally it’s your time to call people noobs and be obnoxious with impunity right? Not so. Also, sad.
I was really unlucky during my placement games in fact. Had 2 games with DCed players from the start and 1 game with Collero ragequitting after he lost a 1v1 at home within 30 seconds. So i whent 6-4 with 3 losses being 4v5s and 1 legit loss.
Won 90% of my games since despite being lower rated than where i think i belong. Im having fun tho and trying to improve my own gameplay.
This is what I’m talking about. You just made up something that doesn’t even exist or apply. Take your trolling elsewhere.
Ahhh yes ALL the bad players in GW2 where all placed in your team. It must be because someone at GW2 hates you right? Poor you! You wouldve been top 10 if it wasnt for ALL the bad players in GW2 always being in your team. Aww
Again, can you point it out? I still don’t see any blaming at all.
U state you are 850 rated yet still better than a player that more than doubles your rating. Therefor insinuating that the system is faulty in determining skilllevels.
You didn’t read. I am NOT where I belong. I am winning more than losing. I would win a lot more if my teammates weren’t gifting the other team points. This is not fast. This is kittened up.
I know it’s nice when faulty systems support your deluded sense of self, but it doesn’t change the realities that the system is faulty.
You are forgetting the direct opposite happens aswell. Players on the opposing team are gifting your team points aswell. So in the end things even themselves out.
You need to start seeing yourself as the main differentiating factor. Since you and your actions are the only thing u can change.
I win like 75% of my games this season. Does this mean the remaining 25% of my games where not carryable? A few probably where….but i wasnt good enough during those games to make that difference.
A see the difference in approach? I look at myself while u look at factors u have no control over.
I’m sorry, can you point out to me where in my post I am “playing the blame game”? I can’t see that I’m blaming anyone to be honest.
And I’m sitting steady at 850. Not ashamed at all either, I’m way better than you for example
So u ask me to point out where u play the blame game? And you follow it up by a sentence where u basicly blame the system for you being lower rated than me?
Imho shifting the blame is a sign of a weakminded individual.
Why do you keep apply some abstract hypothetical context to his argument. That’s not what is happening. You weren’t there so stop making kitten up about what people should be doing.
Ive had unlucky streaks. Ive played at bronze with my troll zerker amu vanilla power necro.
There is no way a good player stays at lower divisions for a long time. Since all but a handfull of games are stupidly easy to carry if youre somewhat decent and play a build that allows you to carry <- that includes plenty of builds that are not fotm.
U know what. Ive seen ppl complain about their teams in those games ive been in. Both with and against me. Hell i even saw guys from the forum who complained about the system in game, sucking hard… and making a post no less than an hour later about this issue youre having.
Its comical.
Its never the sucky players fault. During the 10+k rated games i played over the years. Ive seen 4-5 players that admitted they sucked. The rest just blamed their team the system balance lagg or whatever.
Some games you just can’t carry no matter what you do. I recently had 3 of them.
Now,are all complaints legit about the system? No, but where there is smoke there is fire.
Sure, so u lose those 3 and win the rest? I dont see the problem.
People complain to hide their own incompetence. It happens every season in every game i played. Blaming yourself hurts your ego and thats not what people want.
You can’t carry every game, that’s just braggy BS. And you lose twice as much as you gain by winning, kind of eternal treadmill.
Like I keep saying, this system would work for premade teams, it doesn’t work for individuals in a random group. They have to find a way to gauge skill based on individual performance because this right now is crap.
U are playing the blame game.
What about accepting youre not as good as you think you where?
The impact you have goes down once you are close to the MMR where you belong. So if u struggle to carry games at 1300 u probably belong there.
Is this the thread where ppl bring up excuses for their own incompetence?
Hello im John. I played 20 games just now and ALL the bad players where in my team. Can you believe it? Is it the system or am i just unlucky? This is why i whent 0-20 and now im at 500 rating. How can i ever get up like this?
I mean i did EVERYTHING right! All pro ESL plays and even solod 3 guys at one point but to no avail. My teammates are just uncarryable and at 500 rating u see plenty of pro players on the opposing team for some reason. Just never in my team.
Btw did i mention that I played perfect? I have really good rotations, know how to burst, when to ress, rarely die and im always top healing damage and kills.
This system must be all about luck right? Im just unlucky that im stuck at 500 right? Or is it because im solo player? ye that must be it. If i duoqueue i probably will go from 500 to 2500 over night.
I cannot carry 4 other people in my team. It requires a team effort to win a game, yet I am personally affected (via rating, and therefore losing rating when they decide to crash into the DH zerg trap pile over and over in a match)
The league rating system is absolute garbage, and cannot be taken seriously, because it means you were lucky or unlucky, and that’s it. You can carry your hardest, cap points, decap, assist in teamfights and turn the tide, but if your team is chasing off points… leaving points uncapped after they killed the person decapping it (this happened a total of 10 times today alone), fighting off points, dying by going in 1v4… The list goes on.
But I do like the new reward system, so I got that going for me.
Rating needs to be changed to take into account personal contribution. Team healing, dmg, decaps, defense, offense, etc.
U can carry games quite easily. Especially at lower ratings.
U forget one thing; everyone has to deal with teammates like that. You need to see yourself as the main player that makes a difference. If you are not winning more than you lose YOU need to adjust your own approach and gameplay.
Helseth made a very good example last night. Drazeh did some duoqeueues with him last night. Drazeh ended at 1500 after placement matches … he is now at 2000+ and he got there solo.
Taking contribution in to account is one of the worst things that could happen. Quadruple capping empty points, entire teams running for bosses, people chasing low hp thieves with 4 players.
My opinion is that i placed gold3 and ever since its going downhill. i win one match i loose 2 or 3. Almost always top damage and in a team of 5 my percentages are always between 25 and35% of the whole team damage even healling.. i dont like this system, im being punished and cannot drag the whole team.
Thats weird im actually doing more damage in the games i suck. Ooh wait thats because i dont coordinate/ time my kills so the fight keeps dragging on.
I could be a kitten and say “hue hue, but i did so much damage it cant be my fault that we lost”. Or i could finish ppl off faster, get less damage but win instead.
Whoop i solved your problem. It was your own kitten fault :>
You dont find it a little bit off? The game i posted was so very good. After this game i win one.
The next game we lose 500-40 and i had a rating of 1643 before and im facing the number 1 player in NA duo queing i believe. So we have 2 top 15 players in the game on 1 side.
I have the picture of that match, there was a ele (scepter focus dps shouts …………..) talking during the match about match making.
Guess what they didnt like playing us since the rating for them potentially wasnt worth there time.
Also he is 80 games into the season and im around 30-40 games into the season. Also many of us have thousands of games played. You on another thread 3-4 of the top 10 players talking about how match making doesnt seem to be working as well.
Its one thing to blame the season 10 games in and its another to talk about season 50-100 games in especially now that i can see who im facing.
Its the start of the season. Its literally impossible (no matter what system you use) to get matchmaking right within 10-20 games.
It literally blows my mind how shortsighted people are. Ive seen ppl complain about the matchmaking of their first game after the an MMR reset.
Typically these explanations are something like the one above this one.
Or like:
“We lost and there was this 1 guy that died before he even dodged . And then one other guy chased a thief. Omg such bad matchmaking. And then there was this guy that complained in my game while he died 4 times…or maybe it was 5. I remember i looked him up later and he was 143 points below me.
Lots of people making up excuses for their own failure / kittenty play.
I got unlucky during my placement games. Had 2 games with DCs and 1 with a player ragequiting after he lost his 1v1 on home. So out of the first 10 games i had 1 legit loss and 3 4v5s. Result: 6-4
So i got placed at a lower rating than where i think i belong. Won 90% of my games since and moving my way up the ladder. At platinum now.
Im not the best player in the world + rusty as kitten due to a long GW2 break.
So why does your logic not apply to me?
To make it even worse. Im doing the same on my alt account now while playing zerker amu pre hot necro. Im pushing my way up from the bottom. Started at bronze, at gold now and will easily reach plat or higher.
Ppl really underestimate the impact they can have on games. Stop bullkittenting yourself and focus on improving instead of blaming factors that are out of your control.
1] Contribution points are nice….but chasing them often leads to bad behaviour. So do we really want this? Lets think about all the things that up your contribution points:
- 3 (or more ) capping empty points
- Going for bosses (at the wrong time)
- Chasing that single low hp thief across the map with 3 of your teammates.
- Doing lots of damage without landing/timing any actual kills.
2] Not true at all. I tanked my alt account to play vanilla zerker necro. Currently won like 60-70% of my games and halfway through gold. Will easily make it to plat or higher within the next few days.
3] Sure
4] I as zerker necro personally dont see the problem. Everything can die…and everything can die fast.
There is no so such thing as low tier hell. Its a made up thing by lower tier player to use as an excuse for their failure.
There are unlucky streaks due to afkers, bad comps or even random bad players. But those unlucky streaks will end. Good players will always rise to the top.
Every single game ppl just logg off afk or whatever, on either team. That or ppl just instantly die to random kitten. Its sucking all the enjoyment out of pvp for me.
The only reason there should be a break in between seasons is to let a new major patch settle in.
Just came back to GW2 after a long hiatus. System placed me in sapphire since i was legend div last season apperantly.
After a long streak of very easy wins i noticed this behaviour is very common. Up to a point where entire teams afk after the first or second lost fight lol.
This is the community that this kitteny system has created. A bunch of ach hunting daily doing ppl who dont care at all about maintaining a competetive / fun atmosphere.
TBH, the enemy players he showed us were trash, and he knows his bursts.
Great video btw. I commented, liked and subbed.
99% of the players up till diamond are trash.
I whent to legend on a F2P account playing zerker amulet wells necro. Super succesfull since most just dwindle around on top of wells + dont focus me despite that i am super squishy and have almost no outs.
Would the plan be for the MMR, at the end of the off-season, be immediately used for the next season?
I worry people would use this as a chance to tank their MMR off-season for easy pip climbing next time the league starts up (though I suppose this does depend on what matchmaking does, I guess this would be a huge problem with S1 and a self inflicted wound for S2).
No
Its a full reset at the start of the season regardless. The discussion is about MMR during the off season only.
The problem with rev is that you are forced to run DD to have any chance vs rev. Try to play core vs rev, you will wan to uninstall. You also have to be way better than rev player because if one of their skills lands you are dead in most cases. Revs also have better survival, higher dmg and are able to easily catch up to thief which kills whole purpose of thief being squishy but mobile.
Even bigger issue is that revs took thieves job. Why bring thief when you can have a thief with better survival, better team support and better team fight presence (aka rev)? Being crap for 3 seasons and not being wanted by any teams as thief is not exactly motivating.
Well i think daredevil is a fun series to watch. Bit shallow but esp the second season is nice and grim which is nice if compared to the avg super hero series that hit the tele these days.
This post is laughable. I play daredevil, i get about 6+ dodges and even with those i still eat quite a lot of dmg even if i dodge every single shatter (which is also issue due to AI running at 200% speed and ignoring dodge all together, yes even if you dodge into AI). I can only imagine how terrible it is for classes that have only so many dodges and no perma stab/low CD cleanses.
That is same moronic argument as fighting revs. Just dodge their skills. Too bad you have to dodge literary every single skill or you are screwed.
This post was meant in general, couldve been made from any classes perspective.
The point was:
Lower rated / less experienced players:
- dodge less of your crucial skills
- dont use def cds at the right time
- lack counter pressure.
Not a good time to practice a class due to those reasons.
From what ive seen on streams a good DD hardcounters revs. So i dont understand the DD vs rev hate.
You know what the thing is; im a multiclasser. I want to broaden my kitten nal a bit. Since i didnt play mesmer for a while id like to practice / play vs quality opponents. At legend there will be a must to lock ppl down and force defensives before being able to blow my final load.
The current ppl in unraked:
- Dont dodge in to shatters
- Dont use defensive CDs at the right time or use them too early
- Dont counterpressure hard enough.
I can literally just shatter without setup and ppl will die. So its not offering me a realistic practice ground that will be usefull for when the season starts again.
Turret engi could kill stuff while being afk literally. They where naturally tanky. A backpaddling 5 year old playing a turret engi that managed to drop his crate on top of a point when someone attacked would be a danger for anyone.
Mesmer cant kill kitten without timing shatters (while the target is rooted. stunned, has no more dodges or w/e). A lot of the defense they have comes from stuff they need to activate themselves like blocks, immunities etc. Without those defenses they die super super fast.
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