And I appreciate the other advice. Part of the reason I did some of those things is that I don’t trust people to win fights even if we have the plus 1, in my matches we seem to lose those about half the time and even fights 75%+ of the time. So tbh, I’d rather lose mid and win far than watch far wipe, and then get rolled mid. I’ll try to work on it though.
Your mindset is wrong,
Dont get me wrong…i dont trust anyone. But i dont give up points for free to engage in a 2v1 at waterfall that might take 30+ secs to finish. Unless there is noone inc…..but u didnt look around so u didnt see that inc opponent that was 2-3 secs away from mid.
Playing this game correctly is anticipating what will happen before it happens. So knowing that resses are inc after a wipe and positioning yourself or moving in a direction where u can cut off their supply or reinforce your own.
Lower rated ppl tend to move after they see teammates fighting on point. U need to read the map and look around to see inc before they reach nodes.
By far the biggest flaw i saw in that game is that youre tunnel visioning. Fixing that is your main key to succes. Ill pour that in to an example to explain what i mean with that:
At 1:50 your team started wiping their team. You stay around and stomp 2 downed ppl with 3 and ended up duocapping an empty point. During the next 20ish seconds you didnt look once in the direction of their base.
Someone blinks waterfall on the minmap so you leave mid and mid nearly gets decapped since you are totally unaware of the incoming opponents @ mid.
Ideally u want to be aware of where all opponents are. To know that you need to look around. On the minimap AND in game. Watching you play feels like driving a car with just a front window.
I said this before… if they want this system to work they they need to remove division and tier locks. Without those locks the matchmaking will flow naturaly.
I really like playing super squishy burst builds like my core power necro with berserker amulet.
If id play this build off the bat on this account (at legendary div) i would literally get 1 shot by good thieves and revs all game. The build isnt suited for play at legend + level. So ill seriously handicap my team if i play it.
So what do you suggest?
A] Play in unranked…not that enjoyable for me since ppl care less about winning.
B] Play a meta build….less enjoyable since i prefer high risk high reward builds.
C] Play the build I enjoy on my main account. Totally not viable at that level. So screwing my teammates hard.
D] Play the build on an alt account untill I reach the div where I belong.
So, here’s a radical idea. If you believe you are in “MMR Hell” due to being queued up with a bad team, why not make a group with the other people in MMR hell and queue as a premade? Should be an easy win if you’re all really skilled players who are just held back by your teammates.
Really weird how most good ppl seem to be stuck in MMR hell
ok OP, pm me ingame if ur N/A and i have an alt account in ruby, and with couple of my friends i will carry u out from whatever tier or division ur stuck.
You think thats a bright idea?
Instead of OP struggling at sapphire u will carry and make him struggle even harder at ruby diamond or even legend?
The only thing that is needed is that they remove the safeguards. So ppl can drop tiers & divisions and get matched with and against ppl they should be playing against.
U can get up to higher divisions/tiers due to lucky streaks or teaming up. U cant go down afterwards due to safeguards like not being able to lose tiers or divisions.
So a lot of players are stuck at higher divisions and tiers than where they belong. To make things worse u get grouped with ppl that are in the same boat. Guys that are stuck at a higher division than where they belong who end up in everlasting loops of losses.
The only real fix is to remove those safeguards so youre able to lose tiers and divisions at all levels. That way you create a natural flow and u you drop or rise untill u play vs even minded and skilled players.
Sigh, so let me break it down for those who don’t understand why skill isn’t part of the equation.
Assume for a second I’m absolutely horrible, and have gone as far as I can in leagues. Because of how MMR should work, I should be at a near exact 50-50 win loss ratio if I had hit my skill cap. The problem is that I’m not at a 50-50 which would be what happens when you hit your skill cap. I’m at a much worse ratio. Which is why people say MMR hell exists in this season’s matchmaking. Because my loss ratio shouldn’t be happening, ever. The worst that should happen is 50-50.
Thing is:
U can get up to higher divisions/tiers due to lucky streaks or teaming up. U cant go down afterwards due to safeguards like not being able to lose tiers or divisions.
So a lot of players are stuck at higher divisions and tiers than where they belong. To make things worse u get grouped with ppl that are in the same boat. Guys that are stuck at a higher division than where they belong who end up in everlasting loops of losses.
The only real fix is to remove those safeguards so youre able to lose tiers and divisions at all levels. That way you create a natural flow and u you drop or rise untill u play vs even minded and skilled players.
Yup, I’m actually done with this season. I’m not touching it again. I don’t care if it makes it so I can’t get the backpiece. I’ve been sitting on the last tier of saphire for the past ~35 games. And almost everyone has been a loss. It’s statistically impossible that this is happening by some random chance. Their algorithm is trash and they should be ashamed. I won’t be going back in PvP for quite some time, and I have little motivation after this to log in period.
This is a prime example; u get pushed up due to some lucky streak. Once at the last tier u end u playing vs mostly ppl who are above your skill level. But since u cant lose tiers youre stuck in an overlasting loop of losses.
You will fair better if you find a team of people to play with. Ofcourse yolo q games are going to be hit or miss. Seriously, ask in /map or your guild, or people from a game you won/lost it don’t matter, you will fare better playing as a team.
The thing is teaming up is great for social interaction…bad for matchmaking.
Lets say you as player are worth a 7. When you team up the overall avg value of your team increases. Lets say to a 9. The next day while solo q ing youre in a division that requires u to be a 9….yet you as solo player arent worth a 9. Youre a 7.
another elitist there’s a change – you are definitely pro and all is straightforward
have done what u suggested already – I wish it was that simple
well good for u I fully admit I am not elite, never will be and definitely will not be good enough to carry my whole team endlessly through the number of matches needed to vaguely improve my MMR – so I will never have the chance as solo q’er to play alongside those with similar skill, no one will want to team with some with my historic MMR so I am screwed. As stated season over as I have suggested If this is the only way out then I have no escape no matter how much I have improved -
Yes its hard….hard to drop wells on the floor. You dont have to be remotely good to do that -_-
I actually handed u a way.
Its not rare that im doing 1 mil + dmg on my f2p account by just dropping wells pretty much. And since all lower div players just stand on top of wells…..or stomp 1 teammate with 3 or 4 right on top of wells u can literally kill all fo them as if they where some pve mobs.
You need to stop worrying about the system….and start to think about how to get out of the mess by carrying.
Im currently starting on my 3rd journey to legendary on my 3rd account (2nd that is non hot). It didnt even take me long despite some losing streaks here and there since i found ways to carry.
Im not saying MMR hell isnt there…..but there are ways to get out. Ppl at amber -> diamond arent that good in most cases so steamrolling them with (condi) burst builds is a very valid option and can turn games that seem unwinnable around. U just need to think outside the box and play super offensive builds.
I can literally grab a f2p account. Play a zerker amu + wells pre hot necro build and go without losses to sapphire since ppl will just stand, try to ress or stomp on top of wells. U can literally kill entire teams like that in the first 3 divisions.
1) In theory, it should not happen that a player once he reached a certain division loses 1000 games in a row. In theory, a player ranks up until he reaches the point where his mmr equals his league-rank. Then the player will have as much wins as losses. In practice, it does. I think nobody experienced 1000 losses but I read about players with a win/loss ratio of 40/60 or 30/70.
That would be the case if losing divsions (+ in some cases tiers) was a thing. If that was the case divisions would be a better representation of skill. Right now lucky streaks due to DCs etc can mean ppl get pushed up to divisions where they dont belong.
U guys are blowing MMR hell way out of proportions.
In the vast majority of cases of ppl shouting it during games, those where the exact players that where dragging their team down skill wise.
MMR hell is some cases is caused by luck. What i mean by that is that in some cases ppl get lucky winstreaks and end up in divisions above their skilllevel. Since Anets horrible system has safeguards (u cant lose divisions and in some cases tiers) those players cant go back to where they belong division wise.
Ppl are making MMR hell a bigger thing than it is.
Today i played with and against one specific rev a few times. He kept spamming mapchat about how he was stuck in MMR hell.
When i was with him it was obvious he was lacking pressure. In fact he was doing so little dmg that i ended up doing most direct dmg that game… as support druid, while keeping him alive at the same time. When i was against him i could easily manage to sustain 1v2.
Yet he kept spamming how MMR hell was dragging him down….
Im quite sure that the vast majority off players who shout about MMR hell use it as an excuse. Far easier to blame the system over your own sucky gameplay.
Come on. Theres no bad players. Theres bad matchmaking.
Theres new players , low skilled that can practice and learn to play aginst other new players and have fun with it.
The matchmaking just dont set it up. You were once a ^bad^ player also= less skilled
The system judges new players as average MMR.
In games with real system devs the system judges new players as bottom tier mmr.
This is on off the main reasons this system is so terrible.
Loosing to “people like you” isn’t really the problem atm. It’s being paired with people not like me that is frustrating. Loosing to obviously stronger players when your team did all they could is never frustrating to me nor a bad thing.
So, really, considering all the pain others have to endure you might just want to surf you modest 2 pips to legendary and be happy with it instead of acting like an overfed diva.
One of the main reasons games are lobsided is due to MMR differential within divisions. The main purpose of MMR should be to create equal matchups. And with higher MMR players in lower divisions (due to lack of playtime) you create very uneven games.
Why do u think ppl are on losing streaks?
Higher tier players stay in in lower divisions for far to long. The system puts similar MMR players within the same division together in a team first. After that they match them up with whats left in that division.
If you push the higher MMR players out faster the skill difference within the same division will be smaller. Its a win win situation.
So 1+ pip for every win after striking a winstreak is not enough for you? You want to actually DOUBLE that? Right. So much for the claims that the supposed good players don’t need system to carry them.
If youre on huge winstreaks u dont belong in that division. I think 50ish games should be enough to get to do division where u belong if u win 90% of your games dont u?
Whats the point in farming lower tier players? Its not fun for me and not fun for them.
Its a pure grind now to get to the point where u face ppl of equal skillevel.
What you complaining about? At least you’re winning, many of us aren’t that fortunate and are on losing streaks, which is almost impossible to turn around.
One of the reasons u are losing is due to ppl like me being in your division for too long. Right?
Extra bonus pips for +5 winstreaks is totally in your favour. It means top tier ppl will be out of your divsion / games in no time. Therefor more even games.
Dont have time to play daily due to work and a busy social life. Played 2 days and im at like a 50-5 record now (solo). Im not having fun.
It literally takes ages to grind to legend even if you win everything. Games are all boring due to the horrendous matchmaking. Me being in a division under my skill and experience level just adds up to that. It makes the lobsided games even more lobsided.
I dont want to reach legend for the title, a backpiece or whatever cosmetic crap. I just want interesting games. So plz give an extra bonus pip after 4 or 5 wins in a row. Thnx
There was a time when high mmr meant you would race up to your normal rating in no time. Lower rated ppl where begging; plz reset the ladders since this is unfair. The system is keeping us down.
The vast majority of players use anything as excuse. Fact is…if you lose a lot youre below avg. Might be a tough pill to swallow but its the truth.
Its a for a big part since anet rates new players as average LOL. So if youre an average player youre forced to play with ppl who just learned that uc a dodge / weaponswap
