Guild Wars 2

Order of class power in pvp:

1, Mesmer
2, Thief
3, Guardian
4, Ele
5, Necro
6, Engi
7, Ranger
8, Warrior

Don’t be fooled by people who say they are better/worse than someone on the basis of a dual or a few games of tpvp.

Guild wars 2 is more of a twitch based game than other mmos. As someone who has played alot of FPS twitch games I can tell you that ANYONE can lose to ANYONE in a dual.

So get used to dying and being owned. Its gonna happen alot. Sometimes they get lucky. Sometimes you mess up. Sometimes their build counters your build. It doesnt mean you suck.

Its just like in an fps game. I can kill the best player on the planet at any time. Sure he is way way better than me. But sometimes in a 1 on 1 fight I will get the jump on him and get the kill. Same in strategy games. Someone can easily beat a far better opponent just by things going his way or all his decisions happen to be perfect that time.

So dont take everything personall and have fun. We all die alot. To people better and worse than us. Thats life in this game and I, for one, love the fact that this is present in the game. No gear differential has bought alot of egos down imo.

Warrior sprint should also get a buff imo.

Edit: Also we do almost have perma swiftness and speed buffs dont stack so we shud be fine to chase people down if they dont have cantrips. (signet of rage)

Bulldozer.5973:

OP, check your mailbox, there was a memo that went out to all warriors that said, “since all other classes will be out running you, out damaging you, and out mitigating your damage, we would like to take this opportunity to advise you to be sure to bring your friend everywhere you go so that he can make up for your lack of usefulness.”

Yeh prepare to be kited No buff to warrior sprint for us either

Akumu.7238:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Yeh. I dont understand though. I thought lyssa already gave protection and retaliation? Did it not? If so was that a bug? Or do you get these when you use your heal?

Well you did get them for the elite. I’m not sure about the heal pre-patch.

Yeh you got them pre patch so why does it say you now get them post patch? I dont understand….

We are just gonna get kited all the time now that speed of every class got buffed. We already got kited a fair bit except a few builds.

Akumu.7238:

Rune of Lyssa combined with Signet mastery is actually useful now. Before it was on about a 60 sec cd. So signet of mastery didn’t synergize well with it(using signet elite). Now you can get a full cleanse every 48 secs, plus the nice buffs.

However, it seems to be a bit bugged. Sometimes attacking right after you activate elite will not activate runes. It’s not game breaking like the pre-patch fast hands. However, it does happen.

Yeh. I dont understand though. I thought lyssa already gave protection and retaliation? Did it not? If so was that a bug? Or do you get these when you use your heal?

Khalifahaze.6045:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Khalifahaze.6045:

The fact that you read the necro patch notes and said to yourself “wow they really buffed necro” means you have no idea how to play or what necro needs fixed.

Well they didnt nerf it at all and its the best class currently. The buffs might be to other things than the current “popular build” but they are still buffs.

Fear got a slight buff if you run a condition build, that’s it. Every patch promotes less and less build diversity.

Well thats true. But necros can just condition spam points in the only current game mode and its completely dominant. Thats why all teams have to have a necro really.

Khalifahaze.6045:

The fact that you read the necro patch notes and said to yourself “wow they really buffed necro” means you have no idea how to play or what necro needs fixed.

Well they didnt nerf it at all and its the best class currently. The buffs might be to other things than the current “popular build” but they are still buffs.

aydenunited.5729:

The new META: Finally people are forced to make balanced builds.

Your welcome, the community asked for it, after all.

And this is why this change was most welcome. I wont be able to switch my heal based on my opponenets but its good news imo. Bag switching was lame and changing skills was lame because it meant balance builds werent required as much.

I think warriors got some nice bug fixes but to be honest everything is relative.

The warrior “buffs” look kind of weak in comparison to the other classes which were already viable to an extent that the warrior simply isn’t.

I read down the list and was like wow they are really buffing the necro and mesmer. We must be getting something huge as warriors in this patch to balance this out. Then I get down there and there is like 4 changes.

Then I read the additional patch notes when Jonathon Sharp says that warriors have a hard time with enemy boons and conditions (the whole of pvp is based around these) and “may need a teammate to help them”. But they created a game mode where you need two “solo survivable” bunker players and then a few roamers/condition dudes. So the warrior automatically is irrelevent because we simply wont be able to ever really get a point if this is their strategy.

The fact that necros can just lay down thousands of marks on a point that YOU HAVE TO STAND IN TO CAP/KEEP = good luck “having difficulty with conditions” and actually surviving ever.

I am actually shocked that the approach to balance seems to be to buff the best classes.

These “small changes” are fine. But small changes in balance only works if you make them often. And Anet doesnt make them often. So by the time they balance things out and make warriors viable (doubt this will ever happen based on their vision of how terribad the warrior is) nobody will be playing spvp anymore. If they only update balance every month then they do need to be braver and make bigger balance changes.

O and please for the love of god change spvp from “who can get the most red circles on this point” to something which is actually fun. At the end of the day I don’t even care that much about the warrior being horribly bad. I care more about a fun gameplay experience and not just having necros spam 4000 conditions on everyone at a point (which everyone except warriors can actually remove lol).

Tl:dr – Necro dominates spvp at the moment and they didnt nerf it but buffed it. They also said warriors willl never be able to remove conditions which baically means warriors wont be viable ever in this game unless they add new game types or make capture points more the size of graveyard in legacy.

You can still win sometimes with 4 but the second round you are basically dead.

And yeh there should be a penalty of some sort. I would say if people don’t actively participate in a tournament they register for (for whatever reason) then they are deducted glory points and they cant play another tournament for an hour or something.

5 vs 4 is way too common right now.

Well warrior needs condition removal. Thats obvious to anyone who plays above the VERY basic level.

I suggest – Shrug it off trait cool down reduced to 10 seconds.
– Mending – Cures 3 conditions not 2

Whats bad is that the whole pvp is a game type where you cant avoid conditions

Archonis.7249:

Warrior has condi removal with Signet of Stamina and Shrug it Off.

Ranger is a pretty solid professions, the problem I see with a lot of Rangers in SPvP is that they try to make a balanced build and forget to pick a role. Some that will have some burst or some condition or some survivability, instead of Being full burst, condition or survivability.

Another thing is that this is a team sport, so you don’t always have to rely on yourself for condition removal. I run with a friend that is a guardian and he is always cleansing and healing me.

What removing 1 condition every 20 seconds or having some remove all condition thing which then goes on cooldown and then does nothing else? That isnt good condition removal sorry.

..Seriously these two classes see very little play at the top end because THEY SUCK.

How hard is it to show these classes some love?

The warrior needs improved condition removal (you gave us basically none) to deal with the necro spam that is currently dominant in tPvP. It also needs one of its key traits, fast hands, fixed. This bug cripples warriors so often its a disgrace. You always get 10 seconds switch (which kills you all the time) for the first weapon swap. Then if you die using your secondary set and when you respawn you switch OUT OF COMBAT to your primary weapon then your next change will be 10 seconds again when in combat. Seriously how is this not a top priority to fix along with the double death bug? Is 10 months not long enough to fix this or what?

The ranger also needs some buffs. They arent that bad. But they are still well under the 6 “super” classes which pretty much dominate EVERY battle.

Show the ranger and the warrior some love. Its boring having all good teams formed of the other 6 classes.

Tl;DR: Give warrior some better condition removal and fix fast hands.

1, FIX FAST HANDS
2, Nerf bunker builds – to creat more diverse meta
3, Nerf glass cannon builds – to create more diverse meta
4, FIX FAST HANDS
5-10, FIX FAST HANDS

All I meant is it is easy to dismiss the forum goers as a “vocal minority” but this is just ultra poor to think this. Because there is no evidence to suggest its true. And if anything forum goers will reflect the views of the wider community as they are a sample drawn from this community. The only reason this doesnt hold true is its a self selected sample so there is some inherent bias. However this does not mean this forum should be completely ignored. It shouldnt and I think that has happened to the detriment of the game over the last few weeks.

This post was meant as a joke so I will edit it out.

In truth Icon and ring of fire seem really organised and are on the up. So congrats guys

If someone alt f4’s I am happy because it way beats them respawning or getting ressed!

DaYeL.1495:

So. I think we have to decide 1 day for a irc chat. And decide 1 server of the low tiers worlds and transfer there.
I dont want to transfer for going on BT or Vizunah. Too easy. I wanna a real challenge.

But i want the chanche to play not being outmanned all the time.

Speak about it. IF the WvW core Guilf from server like GH AG WR and RoF will be join 1 UNIQUE WORLD , i think we can go to the top.

The thing is Dayel that we could benefit from getting in the bottom bracket again. Might get our server enthused about WvW again if we start to do well.

i don’t really want to move at this point off WSR because we would lose so many players in the transfer.

I wanna make WSR a decent server. I am prepared to give things at least two more weeks after this one. We will probably get relegated this week and then bounce back the week after. It could give us some momentum like before where we can get promoted again!

This is Lord Henry by the way

Sky.7610:

When Apple opened a feedback department, it receives a overwhelming majority of complaints. Clearly, that’s how the majority of people felt about Apple.

btw, i agree with OP, just wondering how people would respond to that.

1, Thats why I said the general feeling across many different forums (official, reddit, fansites)

2, Forums are slightly different to direct feedback although you are right in that these official forums will be more negative than other forums. Collectively they are good though.

I hate it when people say forum users are the minority of the community.

We aren’t. Anyone who knows about maths and sampling knows that forum goers provide a snapshot of the community and what we say reflects generally the feelings of the whole player base.

I know forum users = self selected sample so we arent totally reliable for feedback but that doesnt mean the people here and on other forums culminate to be a minority. It doesnt.

Fractals really did a number on the WvW experience. There is just nobody on anymore because everyone is on the reward trail that is fractals. I appreciate the WvW drop buffs. But they should be even higher. I mean killing a level 80 player is more impressive than killing some boring PvE dungeon. Give us even more rewards and lower upgrade costs please!

Also, I am on WSR in the [WvW] guild. I took a break the last week and a half and its been a disaster apparently. Logged on recently to find even in this bracket we are outmanned on every borderland and even EB sometimes.

GH cant moan sorry. Last week we were outmanned everywhere the few times I logged in. Having the outmanned “buff” – which opponents should never be able to see kitten anet – on every bl and eb is never a good thing at 11pm eu time. But it happens to us.

I hate the thought of leaving WSR but its tempting to move to a new server with our committed WvW players from our server. Then maybe we could team up with RoF or someone and actually have people we can rely on rather than the current where only 3/4 guilds can get anything done or even play.

Step 1:

Fix fractals to not be THE way to get money/drops

Step 2:

WvW will be fun again.

ty

xouk.3854:

ShadowSoljer.6524:

I agree 99% with adding more gear specifically from WvW. However keep them as aesthetics. (since you mentioned better than ascended)

By better I meant that if or when gear with better stats than Ascended is released to PvE then WvW should get that gear too… At the same time, not after woulds.

Yeh it should. But they should start by letting WvW players get exotic gear too. At present you cant get anything bar “invaders” gear which is useless to most players.

Anyway, its a mistake to increase the stats on gear in WvW. I think gear normality should be in wvw just like spvp. I am bored of facerolling people being in full exotics. And when I level an alt I am bored of getting face rolled because I am level 50.

This situation is going to get worse and worse with the raising of all stats on gear over time (even exotics will get stronger according to the latest AMA). In short the gear grind is here. By itself maybe you dont mind that. But WvW can’t exist with this situation. New players are the lifeblood of any game and any part of any game. People who “no-life” WvW in the way OP has done are OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BURN OUT AND QUIT. Thats inevitable. Nobody cares. It doesnt matter. Its inevitable.

So WvW will need new players to fall in love with it and to rise up to be the guild leaders or commanders for the next few months. However, this replenishment of WvW players will become harder to achieve as stats on gear increase. As a new player coming in now you know its going to be hard to get full exotics but at least its maybe manageable. In future people will be in ascended gear or MAX ascended gear or SUPER ascended gear. Those the stat differential will get larger between new players and experienced players. And the time to catch up will get progressively larger.

As a result lots of new players will just think “screw it” and wont ever have the motivation to play enough to get the gear. Because their early experiences of WvW will be getting facerolled by people in ascended gear.

I think they should work on a better system whereby underleveled people are BUFFED MORE than they currently are. I play a level 80 pure support build and even I can 3 hit with auto attack to kill some up leveled players. This cant be fun for those players and it isnt fun for me.

I think this is the reason that WvW populations seem to of collapsed. Nobody plays but guilds nowadays it seems. And I think the reason is that its so uncasual friendly. I would like to see everyone bumped up to level80 with rare gear type power in WvW. Or just normalise gear and have some meaningful pvp.

Swtor PvP died because any fresh max level character had to use recruit gear which meant u got utterly facerolled until you could somehow grind enough to get better gear on. WvW suffers the same problem which will only get worse as max level gear gets more powerful and harder to obtain.

The only thing which would make me return to GW2 at this point is WvW. And the only thing that would make WvW worthwhile to me is simply some imporved system of power normalisation which could mitigate some of the crippling effects of gear and level differentials which currently exist in WvW. That and more strategic/bigger maps with tactical objectives. But I know that wont happen!

tkalamba.2541:

What server are you on for WvW?

Do not go it alone, stick with a group, and aim to survive. I’ve made plenty of cash in WvW. If you stick with a group and capture points, you will gain rewards. You have absolutely no reason to go alone. Best way is look for a commander icon, or ask in /m where help is needed, and just follow the largest group.

Hilarious how many people say they made money at WvW.

Well good for you. You are another pointless WvW player who never bought an upgrade in his life then. Without upgrades you lose WvW. The tiny number of us who pay for 100% of every upgrade ourselves (thanks for failing Anet) are permenently BROKE because of WvW.

Thats why lots of people have quit WvW.

And OP- yes if you wanna make money you have to do dungeons and fractals. Also if you wanna get the best gear YOU HAVE TO do fractals.

The thing is you can’t get exotics in WvW as it is. Not really anyway. There is only 1 sort of gear you can get which is probably used by about 2% of the player population. If you are running any sort of damage, precision, healer/support or condition build then the gear is utterly useless and pointless.

There is no reason for this that I can think of. I think Anet WvW team made a great product but are now getting shouted down by the PvE and dungeon teams in Anet HQ. I think this game will die very fast unless the WvW team man-up and tell the powers that be that making changes which just make WvW lame (ascended gear) is not fair or productive for the games survival.

If they introduce only invaders ascended gear which is again a very narrow set of gear with only certain stats then I would rather they just dont bother and simply admit that they hate WvWers. We need the full set available in WvW for a combo of karma/badges. This includes berserker/cleric/etc etc etc. All the gear should be available via WvW.

Anet need to relalise they USP is their WvW and their balanced pvp system. Nobody in their right mind is going to play GW2 for long for its PvE or dungeons. WoW has dozens more zones and so much more and more varied instanced PvE. So stop designing laggy events where 30 people auto attack some stupid spider in a boring scripted event and give us some WvW love.

Make ALL forms of ascended and exotic gear available via WvW play. And tell us how you are going to do this asap. Every MMO in history has found that giving PvE players massive gear advantage over PvP players is a disater waiting to happen. I am not going to play some terrible dungeon for 200 hours just to get a set of ascended gear and if I end up being unable to compete with dungeon players (lol) then I will quit.

I don’t think Anet realise how many of us only play this game for WvW. I think the WvW experience is AMAZING and the WvW team of devs are AMAZING. I just wish they would speak with a louder voice in Anet HQ and stop the dungeon/gear/pve teams from getting all the resources to improve that aspect of the game which we all know is just AI fights.

Arsilon.5467:

You already have elected commanders.

There can only be so many visible on that map at any one time. From what I understand it, the ones that are visible are the ones with the most members in their squad. Joining a commander’s squad = voting for them.

Don’t like one guy, leave his squad and join someone else’s.

Whomever has the most, are the ones that are visibile.

Not true. However people can join a squad and then they will ONLY see that commanders icon and nobody elses.

Wildman.9641:

The commander is a stupid idea. On my way to a fourth WvW 80 and I have yet to see a commander that I’d follow. It gets worse every day as more fools spend gold for a larger kitten.

Wow you sound like a team player. lol

What is really funny is Linsey Murdock says that they were surprised people got exotics so fast and some were even getting legendaries. Like really? It just shows how out of touch these developers are with games. But then again, to them its just a job to pay the bills and you cant blame them. Whereas to us we live and breath games and we know 100x more than any developer about what is a good idea and what isnt.

Anyone here could of told them that people would get legandaries after like two weeks. Yet they are surprised? Its so bizaare.

And that isnt even the case. In my active guild there are people who play ALOT and still dont have full set of exotics. And I think I have only ever seen 1 or 2 legandaries in my 300 hours in the game. So what are arenanet on? I have no idea.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Crackbone.5710:

HTXL.2598:

Crackbone.5710:

jboynton.7894:

Crackbone.5710:

Lordrosicky.5813:

They lied to us for years.

/Thread

Or, they fully intended to go the route they had “promised” only to find out it wasn’t going to meet the needs financially.

What would you have them do? Just allow the game to crash and burn?

Reality has a way of being a kitten when it comes to lofty ideals meeting a market driven economy.

GW1 was f2p from the start and had multiple expansions. That game was successful enough to warrant a sequel. This game is doing fine.

This isn’t 2004.

The market is a ton more competitive now. Furthermore, GW2 isn’t GW1. Not even close. The design of the game is completely different across the board.

This is a real MMORPG. People expect mechanics that will keep them engaged in their characters.

You can’t get by with MMOG mechanics in a MMORPG in 2012. There has to be a carrot or a reason for folks to keep playing.

And horizontal progression gets older faster than vertical.

Precisely.

Pulling all of the emotion out of this debate, you really have to consider the “Why.”

Why add vertical progression? I assert that it’s because their current model of horizontal progression isn’t retaining customers as they hoped it would. Furthermore, they likely had this entire model in their backpocket if the numbers stacked up this way.

It’s simple, Either you want Guild Wars 2 to be around as a healthy and profitable game for ANet and NCSoft for the next 3-5 years, or you want outdated mechanics from 2004.

They are, in my opinion as ANet has figured out, mutually exclusive, and it’s coming home to roost now as Ascended Gear.

Evidence for anything you have said = nothing.

Your not smart or clever. We all understand your boring viewpoint now so kindly move along and let us be sad in peace.

Evidence is their update. Also, it’s hard for us to be happy in peace when all the threads are being merged into this depressing ragefest.

That isn’t evidence though is it. The only people happy are forum trolls who probably have $0 spent in the gem store and have played under 100 hours or havent played much in weeks. nobody cares about them. I play the game and promise you that almost everyone thinks this is the worst update in the history of gaming. This is the fork in the road and the beginning of the end for guild wars 2.

Crackbone.5710:

HTXL.2598:

Crackbone.5710:

jboynton.7894:

Crackbone.5710:

Lordrosicky.5813:

They lied to us for years.

/Thread

Or, they fully intended to go the route they had “promised” only to find out it wasn’t going to meet the needs financially.

What would you have them do? Just allow the game to crash and burn?

Reality has a way of being a kitten when it comes to lofty ideals meeting a market driven economy.

GW1 was f2p from the start and had multiple expansions. That game was successful enough to warrant a sequel. This game is doing fine.

This isn’t 2004.

The market is a ton more competitive now. Furthermore, GW2 isn’t GW1. Not even close. The design of the game is completely different across the board.

This is a real MMORPG. People expect mechanics that will keep them engaged in their characters.

You can’t get by with MMOG mechanics in a MMORPG in 2012. There has to be a carrot or a reason for folks to keep playing.

And horizontal progression gets older faster than vertical.

Precisely.

Pulling all of the emotion out of this debate, you really have to consider the “Why.”

Why add vertical progression? I assert that it’s because their current model of horizontal progression isn’t retaining customers as they hoped it would. Furthermore, they likely had this entire model in their backpocket if the numbers stacked up this way.

It’s simple, Either you want Guild Wars 2 to be around as a healthy and profitable game for ANet and NCSoft for the next 3-5 years, or you want outdated mechanics from 2004.

They are, in my opinion as ANet has figured out, mutually exclusive, and it’s coming home to roost now as Ascended Gear.

Evidence for anything you have said = nothing.

Your not smart or clever. We all understand your boring viewpoint now so kindly move along and let us be sad in peace.

HTXL.2598:

There’s no subscription, you’re not paying a dime, and you’re complaining?

But you got your $60 worth, right?

Not when you spend hundreds of dollars on the gem store to support a game you believed in and to make your dude look cool and have the best gear. Only to find those things you bought (exotics via gold and crafting) are now redundant.

They lied to us for years.

/Thread

Algreg.3629:

Probably the story goes like this: Numbers of players dropping, comparatively few (compared to overall players) rage on the forums for 2 months about the game not being WoWish enough, devs come to the conclusion it must be the gear progression – overlooking the major problem with having mostly repetitive and/or useless or no fun content to do at level 80. Instead of inspecting what is wrong with the high level content, they chose the easiest way – all those forum people love WoW after all, right? – turn 180 degrees and forget everything they have been claiming since summer in a VERY loud voice. Marvelous, just marvelous. I am pretty sure it will end this way: still losing the power creep faction to games that are doing this way better than GW2 while alienating the other camp that were sold a different philosophy initially. Great job.

This. Anet has failed us all. Can’t believe I spent so much in the Gem store lol. All for nothing now as that exotic gear will be useless soon………

The problem I have is that if you hate dungeons (because they are lame) then you can’t get the best gear. I am shocked that any true WvW or “Open World” player wouldnt find this gamebreaking. To me it is close to it. I dunno if I will run the dungeon. If it is once and I get the gear I might. If its a 5% drop rate I will probably quit the game unless I can buy the ascended item on the TP or in the Gem store.

I think we are all worrying about nothing. No way they would kitten exotics and legendaries only 2 months into launch. Imagine having a legendaries or exotics and suddenly its not even top tier gear. I cant see it happening.

So Arena net bails on its core fanbase already. Great.

I am seriously annoyed about this. I will buy gems to buy gold to upgrade the gear almost instantly. But this is seriously very lame for wvw as now I will faceroll people even more.

You really should move to a lower pop server

Tulisin.6945:

Lordrosicky.5813:

SoPP.7034:

<3 my guardian and it can handle all professions.

Sadly invisi rendering thiefs are just boring.

If they catch me off guard they will no doubt pride themselves on how ‘l33t’ they are. Usually tho it turns into a scrappy affair. They attempt to take me down without luck and once they realise this they ‘invisi render combo’ run off to find something squishy so they can feel ‘l33t’ again.

Wash repeat

My thoughts exactly.

Its the combo of damage and the ability to stealth and always get away. Thats the issue. And they cant remove the get out of jail free card – stealth – because it is part of the class. However they can reduce the burst slightly.

Stealth isn’t a get out of jail free card as much as thief superior mobility. If you’re more mobile than the thief they won’t get away stealth or no. Similarly if they’re more mobile than you they’re going to get away stealth or no.

Yeh but stealth is coupled with the best mobility in the game.

The best thing to do vs thiefs is to make them run away though.

I fully agree thiefs need a nerf. But people need to remember that wvw isnt a deathmatch. You dont have to kill them. If you make the thief run off then thats almost as good as killing them.

I never have much problem with thiefs due to my tanky control warrior build. However it is a little frustrating that if you make a mistake – even 1 – then a thief can down even a strong toughness charcter like me. I wouldnt ever want to be a ranger with all these thiefs roaming around.

Anet has already said that rangers will be buffed and thiefs nerfed in the next big update. This is spot on imo. Thiefs are OP and rangers are underpowered. Everything else is fine. The other classes are all powerful which is nice. But not OP

SoPP.7034:

<3 my guardian and it can handle all professions.

Sadly invisi rendering thiefs are just boring.

If they catch me off guard they will no doubt pride themselves on how ‘l33t’ they are. Usually tho it turns into a scrappy affair. They attempt to take me down without luck and once they realise this they ‘invisi render combo’ run off to find something squishy so they can feel ‘l33t’ again.

Wash repeat

My thoughts exactly.

Its the combo of damage and the ability to stealth and always get away. Thats the issue. And they cant remove the get out of jail free card – stealth – because it is part of the class. However they can reduce the burst slightly.

Is the thief OP? Yes it is. But Anet surely realise this. Spvp is FULL of thiefs. No other class is so prevelant. Having 5 players and usually 2 of them are thiefs show how OP they are.

Does Anet realise this? Yes. They do. They already said they realise they need to nerf backstab. I do ok vs thiefs but my build is perfect to play vs them. Still with my character I find it hard due to all the stealth and then crazy damage. Its hard to play vs them with any character but some characters can do ok. I never kill thiefs unless they are pure bad or I have help. But I can usually control them long enough so we both disengage though.

Dee Jay.2460:

I’ve come to find the current rezz mechanics to be the most frustrating and poorly conceived mechanic currently in game. In fact I can’t recall a single feature ever being to detrimental to game-play.

Say for example, it’s getting late at night. You and your 15 fellows are defending a keep from 25 attackers. It’s a big discrepancy but not insurmountable, especially if they are disorganized. Or at least that would be the case if you could actually kill people in this frikkin game. The rezz mechanics are just so incredibly frustrating it makes any attempt at defending against a larger force ultimately futile. The results are pre-determined. All you can do while defending is buy some time….in the hope some larger zerg might come to your aid (which doesn’t happen at night).

I mean how come self-healing abilities have up to 30 second cooldowns yet somebody can pick me up from the ground in a matter of seconds?

How come my self-healing is interrupted by damage but someone else can just sit there and heal me up through damage?

It really boggles my mind just how incredibly detrimental the current rezz mechanics are. They favor zerging and allow bad players to get away with so much as long as the hang around others.

It just doesn’t make sense on so many levels and leads to absurd situations where you need to kill enemy players 6 times before they stay dead for good. It’s just so incredibly broken it boggles my mind.

Solutions are simple: 3rd party rezzing needs to:

a) take longer than a few seconds, especially with multiple players.

b) be interrupted by damage.

So you must play a glass cannon dps build right? If arena net wanted to make only 1 type of build viable (DPS glass cannon build) then they would make your changes. But they dont want this and so they wont. Imagine how useless any support build would be in WvW with your changes.

Its a great feature and skilled players are able to use it to their advantage to dominate even more due to their skill.

Of course there are less skilled players who die to it. But there are also less skilled players who get owned by not dodging out of the fire and they want the fire nerfed too.

If you are a small group you need to manage downed states effectively. It takes practice and skill and my advice to Op would be to learn how to manage it. That way he will realise what he said in OP is complete rubbish. Downed states dont effect how easy it is to stomp a bigger zergs of lesser players.

A portal should only do 5 people – problem solved.

At the moment its very lame and sucky. Dying before you even see why isnt very fun. A net should fix this asap…

I quit basically due to orbs. That and my dude is only level 33. Turns out a level 80 will 3 shot you (when geared) if you arent over a certain level.

But yeh…orbs. Its pretty dumb to give the side already ahead basically 15% all over buffs to make them literally invincible. Good idea in prinicple but orbs pretty much make wvw ALOT worse ALOT of the time

Its PvP. If you wanna do PvE dont join World vs World.

Simple.

Cayden.4587:

Commander literally gives 3 things, 1 person a blue marker, 1 person the ability to mark the map, and anyone the ability to click and join the chat channel.

Our guild pooled our money because we wanted to be able to group as a GUILD. We were envisioning more raid group less chat channel with map markers. We also didn’t realize that there would be no way to keep people out of the group. What we get is a steady stream of zerglings joining the squad which in turn means that the chat channel just becomes the new team chat. We literally had zerglings in our squad arguing with our officers… Glad we wasted the 100g.

What they should do:

-Refund all Commanders books and add in Captain Training which costs say 20g.
-This will allow a person to create an actual group of 20 people.
-This would be a group where people need to be invited and can be kicked without a “vote”.
-The Captain would be allowed to assign 2 other people to the role of assistant. These people could edit map markers and invite people or kick people.
-The channel would show like party (blue) and the leader could use the same map markers they have for the commander which would show up just for the group.
-Like parties you would be able to see anyone who was in the party anywhere on the map.
-There would be no marker over the persons head to the rest of the world which would eliminate the issue of random zerglings trying to attach to you from across the map/the easy spying potential.

You have posted the same post in about 10 threads. Very sad.

Wow what a QQ.

Oh NO!!! The normal people is joining my squad…>!!! Isnt that what you wanted? If you dont want to play world vs world with anyone but your guild then you should not be in world vs world.