Guild Wars 2

Oh my gawd, sorry AG but this is just too funny! I am hardly logging in to game any more out of disinterest caused by recent developments but this week I prob wont at all, just gonna be following this thread because it will be bloody funny.

To the people saying ‘exotics were too quick to get so they introduced ascended’, an awful lot of people sang this games praises and came to it because they were told that it was going to be about playing the game not grinding for gear. They even created a cosmetic grind to keep the gear grinders happy in the form of skins and legendaries. The PVE guys who ( I assume) are the ones that wanted another gear level are the ones that dont actually need the bloody gear as there is no content requiring it. The WvW guys who (I assume) did not want the gear are now facing the choice of give up WvW for a few months to do PVE (WvW players are generally rather poor and cannot just buy all the mats of the trade post) in order to get the not insignificant amount of mats and gold required to level up their crafting so they can make the weapons or just ignore the gear level (for your guide, PVP centric players go to great lengths to not be at a gear disadvantage to their opponents).

I have chosen to ignore the gear level and probably quit playing when the armour comes out as the difference in stats will be too high then.. But after a few days since patch WvW has already become farmville with barely any pretence of being anything else any more = not fun for me so probably will be off. For those that are embracing the changes and loving it have fun and I doubt I will see you in another game as we have different tastes.

Galen Grey.4709:

Edeor.9720:

Peets.8529:

MikaHR.1978:

Peets.8529:

MikaHR.1978:

Peets.8529:

haviz.1340:

VOLKON.1290:

I NEED HELP!

OK, now that I have your attention, can someone please show me where the required grind is in this game in order to be able to proceed to the next tier of content? I seem to be having trouble finding it. I tried going into WvW without ascended gear and was able to… is there an ascended only WvW? I visited and helped beat Jormag, assorted invasions, dungeons, jumping puzzles, etc. and haven’t been able to find the gated content beyond those that require ascended gear… can someone point that out to me? Because until I find it I’m having a difficult time accepting that this type of optional grind is anyways close to violating the “not a grindy game” concept ANet originally spoke of. Yes, I see optional grindy things for those that want the longer term goals, but the required stuff… I can’t seem to find it. Help me out people!

Fractals of the Mists.

Only when you go lvl 10 or higher.
So it is not required.
Try again

It is required. For lvl10 or higher.

Your logic…

Going lvl 10 or higher is optional, not required.
And you don’t have to use the weapons they added to finish it.

Uh oh, you should probably go back to read what you responded to.

raiding in WoW is optinal, noone says you have to raid. Is there any point in all of this?

WoW is another game. We are talking about GW 2.
Did you read to what I responded? We are still searching for some content that is required to have ascended that you have to grind for. You can play Fractal of The Mists fine without ascended if you pick lvl 1 – 9. And if you do want higher, you don’t need to grind for it.
The point is, people complain first then look/think.

It pretty obvious what is the content that is required to have ascended you have to grind for. A 12 % stat difference in WvWvW is very much, and if you can play even without ascendent, it is undeniable that there is a drawback.

This system is identical to the one used on WoW (you can play even without pvp gear, but you suck) and the grind is clearly present in WoW, so if Guild Wars 2 has adopted the same system of WoW you can’t say there is not grind in the game. The only difference is that on WoW you have to grind pvp content to be competitive in pvp, in Gw2 you have to grind pve content to be competitive in WvWvW (which is pretty absurd).

So yeah, in Gw2 there’s a content that is required to have ascended that you have to grind for (unless you want to play a handicap match).

For starters its not a 12% difference because gear is not the only source of stats you get. Gear and Level share equal stats so without any consumables what so ever its actually 6% difference With consumables it will be 4 or maybe 5%

But if 6% stats difference is too much then you got much bigger problems then ascended armor.

Arrow Cart regular attack does 9k damage. Thats more then 6% extra damage then the most damaging skill in the game any player has. Ohh and while player skills effect only 5 people max. Arrow cart affects 50 so its advantage is not 6% in that regard but 1000%

but hey thats not all… It can be upgraded too… Superior arrow cart… 13k damage!

Of course that all pales when you get uneven groups fighting which is like always…

you might be 106% as effective as someone with an exotic set but if there is 2 of them an 1 of you they’re still get 188% advantage stats wise. Never mind that sometimes your team retreats and you find yourself alone against a massive zerg.

WvW is a game mode where you get unbalances all the time, Some of them pretty massive and that 6% is whats bothering you really?

Yes it does bother me actually and I can see there is no point in explaining to you how and why it does. But as it clearly bothers you that it bothers me howabout we do a deal? I wont bother getting Ascended gear and you dont either. Or, as I am touched by the depth of your concern, if you really need to have a stat advantage over others, I will change my exo gear sets for rare ones and u stay in your exos then we can all get on with playing wvw and not grinding?

Maestria of Strat.2974:

Ascended weapons are a boon to gw2. WvW is not hurt by them. Technology is one component of war strategy but not the only one. WvW biggest factors are population, timezones, and match ups.

Of course technology is a factor but that technology advantage is diffused evenly, to a degree, in all servers i.e. each server has their share of legendaries and soon ascended users.

So categorically saying ascended weapons are “bad” is ill put.

This would imply that you are happy and comfortable with playing the WvW game mode as ‘intended’ by Anet and at the same time did little other than compose your factually correct tho in context irrelevant post if you had then bothered to read the rest of the posts in this somewhat badly titled thread. And breathe.

If you honestly think Ascended gear is a boon to GW2 then why on earth did you leave WOW?

sell it sell everything then sell your account if you can find anyone loony enough to buy a GW2 account. Dont forget to sell your gold first tho

Galtrix.7369:

Lurch.9517:

Galtrix.7369:

Wow. Complain more, please. All I can say is: I’ll see you all in WvW on my invisible Thief with full ascended gear. But you won’t see me until I one-shot you into the ground.

Instead of complaining, start working toward your ascended stuff. I’m already more than 70% done collecting the mats for my ascended daggers. Have fun, complainers!

Make sure you buy all my ancient wood that I bought before the patch and have relisted now at 10x the price and enjoy all those juicy carrots you are going to be crunching

I don’t need to. I’ve played mmo’s my entire life and I know how the economy works. I bought all the tier 1 – tier 6 mats I needed before the patch, and now all that’s left is the ascended mats. You’re not getting a single copper from me.

Well done you for working out exactly how much ancient wood and orichalcum you will need to get your crafting skills to 450 on top of all you will need for making the ascended weapon sets required for each one of your builds. You must have a big ol bank tab

Galtrix.7369:

Wow. Complain more, please. All I can say is: I’ll see you all in WvW on my invisible Thief with full ascended gear. But you won’t see me until I one-shot you into the ground.

Instead of complaining, start working toward your ascended stuff. I’m already more than 70% done collecting the mats for my ascended daggers. Have fun, complainers!

Make sure you buy all my ancient wood that I bought before the patch and have relisted now at 10x the price and enjoy all those juicy carrots you are going to be crunching

1. The Guild that has the most members online in the guild hall should get more rewards quicker than the others

2. Guild members that congregate in the guild hall between 2.00am and 3.00pm in the time zone of their server should have their rewards doubled

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Jski.6180:

Lurch.9517:

Jski.6180:

Lurch.9517:

Jski.6180:

WvW still not about the 1v1 and is still not made to be a fair game you guys just cant get over your owns egos to see this. If you lose a fight its become of ascended items just keep telling your self that as your stomped in to the ground by the other worlds. Also quit WvW leave your worlds undefended THAT is the right thing to do to be so helpful to your world.

Spoken like a classic PPT gazer. There are a lot of people that play on the WvW maps as an open world PVP environment rather than drooling and charging around behind the dorito spamming 1.

No its spoken like a player who knows the real meat behind WvW. You can play is as an open world PvP but your not going to help your world out by doing so. WvW is about movements as a team. If any thing your coming off as the type of player who “does there own thing” in WvW or you know a “rally bot” player.

To be a ‘rally bot’ I would have to be in your mindless zerg mate, not gonna happen. There is no ‘real meat’ behind under in or on WvW. By help my world you mean contribute to the PPT? The WvW that you are referring to is not about ‘moving as a team’, its about population stacking and off hours capping.

To be a “rally bot” you must be doing your own thing in a fight nothing to do with being mindless in a zerg lol. There are no much things as truly mindless zerg there are non communication zergs (though the idea of zergs is that they are of one mind working as a team they just work very well in a larges group). If your not chatting your not realty playing with other ppl.
PPT is very important to wvw YOU cant help how your world plays but YOU can help how you play. If you willing to let wvw die for you and your world over these weapons Then you where never a wvw player in the first places. Your just a pve er who playing vs real ppl as your farm tools.

I responded once to this but an over enthusiastic mod deleted it. I will try to explain myself better to you so you can perhaps step outside of your world for a moment and look through the eyes of another. There are quite a few people playing this game who come from previous MMO’s with open world PVP and RVR environments such as AION/Age of Conan /WAR/DAOC to name some. Myself and presumably a fair amount of other people were attracted to this game by the idea of WvW (open world PVP RVR environment) and minimal gear grind. It became painfully obvious very early on that WvW dynamics encouraged and rewarded Zerging (that thing you like doing) which is a frowned upon and clkitten way of playing in other games and generally only practised by bads that have to rely on numbers rather than ability.

The lack of population control in servers compounded the broken mechanics in WvW therefore meaning that to ‘win’ (ooh whats my prize? Oh nothing) the most effective way of achieving this is to stack as many people as possible on the server and have the best time zone coverage. To someone that came here for open world PVP fun fights this is not interesting so I and quite a few others stopped really caring about PPT and server rank quite a long time ago and try to extract some fun fights in the environment of our choice.

You are enjoying playing WvW as it is ‘intended’ to be played, I dont think it would be hyperbole on my part to say that if you came to an EU server below T1 you would find yourself in the minority.

Now, all that being said, Ascended weapons being introduced to the game is bad for people like myself and nothing you can possibly say will change that. I hope you understand where I am coming from with my previous posts, if you are still not on the same page as me my next reply will have to involve crayons and a dry wipe board.

haxi.9038:

Lurch.9517:

haxi.9038:

lol how come no one complains about stuff like +250vitality acquired through gri…err i mean advancing in wvw rank

That’s been done to death also but it can at least be achieved purely by playing WvW

haha isnt that exactly the same thing? well 250 to a stat is a far more crazy advantage if you ask me

Well no its not at all really, if you look at the title of this thread its about why ascended gear is bad for WvW. The guard ability bonuses are gained only from playing WvW, if u could have got the guard bonuses by killing 200 dragons and bumming the mad King in PVE and have them instantly day 1 of when WvW ability bonuses were introduced then yes that would be a bad thing.

15 chars accidental thingy

haxi.9038:

lol how come no one complains about stuff like +250vitality acquired through gri…err i mean advancing in wvw rank

That’s been done to death also but it can at least be achieved purely by playing WvW

tom.7468:

are you seriously complaining about 9 more primary stat 6more minor stat and 50 more damage? wow l2p they should be 200 more damage at least.

It always seems to me that most people who say ‘l2p’ would do with following their own advice and at the same time brush up on their powers of reading and comprehension.

Jski.6180:

Lurch.9517:

Jski.6180:

WvW still not about the 1v1 and is still not made to be a fair game you guys just cant get over your owns egos to see this. If you lose a fight its become of ascended items just keep telling your self that as your stomped in to the ground by the other worlds. Also quit WvW leave your worlds undefended THAT is the right thing to do to be so helpful to your world.

Spoken like a classic PPT gazer. There are a lot of people that play on the WvW maps as an open world PVP environment rather than drooling and charging around behind the dorito spamming 1.

No its spoken like a player who knows the real meat behind WvW. You can play is as an open world PvP but your not going to help your world out by doing so. WvW is about movements as a team. If any thing your coming off as the type of player who “does there own thing” in WvW or you know a “rally bot” player.

To be a ‘rally bot’ I would have to be in your mindless zerg mate, not gonna happen. There is no ‘real meat’ behind under in or on WvW. By help my world you mean contribute to the PPT? The WvW that you are referring to is not about ‘moving as a team’, its about population stacking and off hours capping.

Jski.6180:

WvW still not about the 1v1 and is still not made to be a fair game you guys just cant get over your owns egos to see this. If you lose a fight its become of ascended items just keep telling your self that as your stomped in to the ground by the other worlds. Also quit WvW leave your worlds undefended THAT is the right thing to do to be so helpful to your world.

Spoken like a classic PPT gazer. There are a lot of people that play on the WvW maps as an open world PVP environment rather than drooling and charging around behind the dorito spamming 1.

Agaetis.4518:

With all the ascended gear that we will get over the next 1-2 it will add up to maybe 15-20% damage increase. Significant but not gamebreaking imo, especially in the bigger pic

And what exactly is the bigger picture?

cannot be bothered to quote or reply at.. But to the guys saying WvW is not supposed to be fair and SPVP>>>>>>, Its not about being fair or not its about making your toon as competetive as possible, the difference if you like between people that use the correct food and nourishment and those who do not.

I do not mind if I am outnumbered or my server is outnumbered that just means I have to play smarter, I do however have an issue with being forced to play at a gear disadvantage (however slight does not matter, its the principle) to guys that have legendaries (which we were always told were just fluff and bragging rights) until such time as I have got all the crap together to replace my exo weapons with Ascended whilst in the full knowledge that I will have to go through the same process in the not too distant future with armour.

And I am sure you will not have read it here first but I would bet a pound to a penny thakittens only a matter of time til there is Legendary armour

I’ll get my coat.

The only part of the game directly affected by ascended weapons is WvW.

There is no content in PVE that requires Ascended gear to complete so for a purely PVE player there is no particular rush to get the weapons as he is not at a disadvantage against the mobs without them. Also, most purely PVE players are probably well on their way to having Legendaries done.

S/TPVP players are not affected in any way by Ascended gear as it does not apply to that part of the game.

WvW players that do not get the ascended weapons are at an immediate disadvantage to the ones that have, also a far lesser proportion of WvW players will have Legendaries.

Its not the end of the world by any means but it will most probably be the end of world v world along with Guildwars for a lot of people that are only still playing the game for open world rvr.

Zerg slowing trap already exists… They are called Sentries

Ouch, well your loss is Anets gain I guess you will just buy 15 more on your main if you really want them so much.

Waiting to hear from a T1 PPT freak re this question

The reason I ask the question is that WXP is character progression, generally WVW players dont have much spare in game cash so would have to buy gems with RL cash to get the boosters.

So have Anet finally found a way to monetise WvW and in the process of course made it pay to win?

There was a lot of thought that went into this gift, they thought very carefully about Gem sales that would be generated by making sure all players aware of this new booster.

Pleurodesed.7625:

Yes, zergs are an issue; but they’re being looked at.
I feel a bit lazy to find the source but WvW is going to change as stated on the news.

QFT at the rate players are walking away from WvW there will indeed be far less zerg balls.

drwookie.6391:

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EDIT:

Oh I’ll also mention this:

What do you think makes them more money? How many people who playing WvW exclusively buy things on the market? What is there to buy that you really need in WvW? snip WvW is a monetary dead end for them (in its current form). So without a subscription they need to focus on what they make money on. Now if they made it so like you needed to spend money to build siege or something, then WvW would be worth it for them….but then most of us wouldn’t play it I imagine.

Thats why they have introduced the new gem store item WXP booster. This will probably be one of the more profitable items they have ever put in the shop as people (especially zergball nightcappers) start using it as a form of pay to win.

Reset night tonight and I actually don’t give a toss who we get anymore.

They already introduced a feature that means you are not required to swap to your alts in WvW its called ‘soulbound almost unlimited vertical character progression’ or WXP for short.

Ashtazar.2753:

Same thing here, I usually start my day by some daily routines on my alts before going to WvW with my main since Anet is discouraging me to use my alts there. I was very pleased by this nice little gift before being very disapointed, I have it on a character that can’t possibly be developped correctly for WvW and therefore I do not use anymore, it is then a useless gift.

It has fulfilled its use tho by making certain you are aware of the booster so that you will buy them from the gem shop on your main in order to stay at roughly the same progression rate as others that do so.

its just a free giveaway 15 minute booster to try and entice more people to WvW and lure WvW players into buying the 1 hour ones from gem shop.. And any semi serious WvW players actually still playing this game will buy and use them probably using RM bought Gems as they are potless in game currency. You would not need that big a tinfoil hat to say that the boosters are a form of pay to win.

caltrops 15 chars mumble blah

The game is no sub casual friendly and has the ability to turn hard core players into casuals. PVE players can get their shinies without paying any sub.. There is player versus player content available from blobbing to asuraball. Until there is a nailed on realistic alternative to GW2 it will be fine and even when an alternative game is released it will have problems and cause a drift back factor.

Klawlyt.6507:

Zenguy.6421:

And all that extra PvE gold is inflating TP prices :-(

That’s my big problem. For the time it takes to use 10 Spicy Marinated Mushrooms and 20 of the master oils, I’m only netting 1g on a very good day.

Edit: That’s 10 hours of playtime, so it’s generally 2-2.5 days worth of logins, but you get the idea.

This is the main issue for wvw centric players that arent just in the blob. To be certain of being on a level playing fiels with your opponent you have to keep up consumables all the time and TP inflation is making this more and more expensive.

the first part of your dealing with this situation is 1) seriously stop giving a puppy about PPT like 99.9% of everybody else not in T1 Blob 11111 servers

2) be involved in or create a WvW guild that will at least actively work at maintaining your garri on home border so at least u got that WP.

3) If you dont actually care about having that WP then just fill your boots killing people without caring about the PVD pricks just enjoy playing when y are online

The point is that for especially solo roamers and small group players that +2500 HP and the + pow/condi is a massive difference therefore making them not really optional if you want to make sure you are on a level playing field against anyone you might meet.

From some of the replies I actually get the impression that some of the 111 zerg ballers actually want the game to be that way as opposed to they are just taking advantage of the most effective way to farm stuff……. Maybe the solution to everything is to have PVE and PVP servers .. On the PVE servers they could all zerg ball together to their hearts content and sell the other 11 number keys on their keyboards. And the PVP servers could do roaming and guild group play amongst each other.

99% of all that have an issue here is the guard offensive and defensive traits or effectively the first 215 ranks on every toon u own unless you want to be sub optimal.

A lot of people (probably myself included) would to a large extent stop shouting about your complete stupidity regarding WXP account/char bound if you just gave every toon an instant 215 WXP points to put into trait or even better.. You just did away with the +power and +HP stack guard traits… Hell you can keep in the +/- damage with guards just dont give the +stacks at the end of the trait line.

oblivious.8074:

Video of this match up : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPXGaS7xwt8

TY for the fights and the fun.

Hope to see you again soon FSP (especially Lion)

Maybe we should have a controlled hunting season for Lion? Would be a shame if we made them extinct by over hunting them

Immolator.5640:

Lurch.9517:

Spears.5381:

Dear Elona Reach

I’d like to say it’s really mature of you to come to our Cursed Shore and ruin our farming while saying you “conquered us”.

Thanks to FSP and ER for the fun fights this week. Hope we get a more even match up next week.

Bit harsh to call their server out for that obviously some window licking brain dead monkeys that came and boasted about PVD’ing a T5 server with their T1 server, i am sure their mainstream players would cringe at some of their idiots doing that. To be fair, they have probably had all their brain dead PVE wannabe PVPers qued all week on maps… We know what thats like we have pleeeenty of those turn up when its an imbalanced matchup.

Idk Lurch, it kinda was 12 commanders and a metric tonne of randoms following, and it seems pretty possible to have been organised with the huge TS based cluster of omnipresent zerker players that is ER… Oh wait I’m generalising again. Still with the amount of players and commanders it seems unlikely to be a coincidence or random couple of idiots guesting.

oh really? I did not realise it was such a large group, well pulling crap like that will only eventually undermine their server as their more mature and sensible element become embarrassed to be there and move on leaving it to the kids and pricks.

If we pulled a similar stunt after a week of curb stomping Vabbi (equiv match up) I would not be thinking ‘yes aint we l33t’ I would be thinking ‘oh dear I dont really want to be associated with these idiots’

edit:- thats odd, I assumed it would come out kids and kittens :p

Spears.5381:

Dear Elona Reach

I’d like to say it’s really mature of you to come to our Cursed Shore and ruin our farming while saying you “conquered us”.

Thanks to FSP and ER for the fun fights this week. Hope we get a more even match up next week.

Bit harsh to call their server out for that obviously some window licking brain dead monkeys that came and boasted about PVD’ing a T5 server with their T1 server, i am sure their mainstream players would cringe at some of their idiots doing that. To be fair, they have probably had all their brain dead PVE wannabe PVPers qued all week on maps… We know what thats like we have pleeeenty of those turn up when its an imbalanced matchup.

Gahn.8150:

HAI TCHU!!!

Bless you!

For PVE players, fractals aside is there any content that is undoable unless you are in BIS gear? I only ask as to the best of my knowledge its only really WvW players that are effectively being forced to mothball our alts if we want to continue character progression and remain competetive.

Gehenna.3625:

Lurch.9517:

Gehenna.3625:

@Lurch, most people who play multiple toons do not care about that ranking as you do or they dedicate one or two toons to something like that. Different players, different goals.

That is not really a meaningful comment. I don’t think I am an odd or specialist case in being a multi toon WvW centric player or rather, I was. If someone does not care about the rank abilities then it just means they don’t care that much what they are doing. Nothing wrong with that but you can hardly refer to it as ‘different goals’.

And you call my comments meaningless…lol

People have different goals in a game. That’s as much a fact as that point that people are different.

I couldn’t give a rats kitten about WvW ranking…there are people out there like that. So WvW ranking is not a goal for me at all. I am simply more PvE oriented and therefore so are my goals or interests if you prefer.

I never said you were the odd one out, but I am saying there are also a lot of people who don’t share your goals just as much as there are who do. So I shouldn’t have said “most”. That was the wrong word.

I still fail to see what point you are trying to make? I do not really play spvp much or Pve so I do not comment or make threads in those sections of the forums as its not the part of the game I really play. WvW rank title is also something I do not really care about. The rank abilities however are character progression so therefore I do care about these as otherwise why would I have bothered getting exotic /ascended gear on my toons in the first place? If you were insisting that fractal ranks were account wide I would not really have an opinion on it as it does not affect me in any way as we are playing different games.

I am stating very specifically how WvW Rank abilities affect anyone in the WvW community who play more than 1 toon.

Does anybody know if GW2 is compatible with UpDog?

I have already made my feelings known regarding this subject in other threads but as it may get revisited by anet if this thread gets big enough I will post here.

Also, anybody who is against the concept of making WvW rank ability account wide is either dumb, incredibly selfish tunnel visioned, a troll or all of the above.

Only one toon can be played at a time there is no manifest benefit from having the rank abilities available to all of your toons, it makes no sense to force people into playing just 1 toon due to a virtually open ended progression mechanic.

Either make WXP account wide OR take away the wxp rank abilities and just leave it as a title ‘fluff’ thing.

well, its not exactly hard to be aware of a thief ‘stealthing’ in that fashion and very easy to break it

Gehenna.3625:

@Lurch, most people who play multiple toons do not care about that ranking as you do or they dedicate one or two toons to something like that. Different players, different goals.

That is not really a meaningful comment. I don’t think I am an odd or specialist case in being a multi toon WvW centric player or rather, I was. If someone does not care about the rank abilities then it just means they don’t care that much what they are doing. Nothing wrong with that but you can hardly refer to it as ‘different goals’.

For me the main thing that is alt unfriendly is WvW ranks as their effects do make a material difference in game play and they are virtually open ended so you are effectively gimping your potential if you play multi toons.

I think at some stage they are going to bend over on this one and do a reset of wvw ranks and make it account wide as it will cause burn out and irritation guys being forced to play just one toon due to an ill thought out mechanic.

nothing really to add to this cross country thread (left the rails looong time ago) just noticed the reply count near 1k so helping it along :p