Guild Wars 2

Server transfers only really matter/have any significance for people who play WvW, as PVE players can guest to whichever server they want to if their desired PVE content is under/over manned on their current server and those 2 guys that play SPVP know where each other live anyway.

As Anet should have blocked transfers to T1 servers a while ago, would it not make sense to offer anyone that has transfered to T1 since say the start of september their Gems back and return whence they came. At the same time offer everyone on the T1 servers a one time free transfer to any T4 or lower server.

After the above process is completed do 1 day matchups for maybe 2 weeks with daily free transfers made available from/to selected servers based on data accumulated in each days matchup.

In theory something based on the above system would in the main only be used by WvW players as the PVE crowd just stack out the strongest servers for their stats so would rarely take a free transfer to weaker server.

Once this whole process has been completed then maybe double or even quadruple the charge for paid server transfers (and make 1 month WvW shutout) and then at the end of every 6months/league season or whatever do a similar balancing process.

Doing this will not make WvW any more an e-sport than SPVP is ever likely to be but it would very likely make WvW more enjoyable for those that choose to carry on playing it and probably stop Anets current T1 servers from spontaneously combusting

This sort of a similar kinda thing as was done in Aion when the servers were FUBAR’d after a complete absence of any joined up transfer policy thinking. Yes i know it did not cure the problem in Aion but that is because the implementation was kitten poor not the idea.

Jalad Lantana.3027:

As Sacrx pointed out in his longer than needed rant, Arenanet sees WvW as nothing more than a funnel for casuals to somehow get sold on going into spvp which is the only thing that is a priority there.

These changes in WvW are designed to decrease WvW participation with the misguided idea that spvp will become the only choice left to players wanting something else other than PVE.

The ‘league’ is simply fancy PR spin of what already exists and a justification for even worse matchups, that and it’s a really lame excuse for not working on any WvW balance or other issues.

Instead of trying to find a solution to the problem players agree is the biggest drawback to WvW, that of lousy match ups, this BL thing pours gasoline on a burning house by rewarding steamrolling. It is clear that if a side has the resources to smother the map, they need a performance buff like a hole in the head.

It is laughable that any devs think that small groups will be able to make a difference in this proposed scenario. They obviously have never played a solid week on a bottom tier world against a world 8 to 12 tiers above them.

This is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

I say no to the league and the buff, and yes to moving WvW up in status from tepid introduction for casuals to pvp with the intent of funneling them into spvp, to an end in itself that deserves more resources than it gets now.

^^^ This, except that that train crash is no longer in slow motion

With the changes they have made and are making in WvW it’s fairly clear that they are trying to drive PVP players from WvW to go and join the circle jirks in SPVP. Sadly, even with the soon to be introduced Death Match and KOtH modes in SPVP I think they have/will probably lose a lot of those players instead as they are effectively throwing WvW under the bus and SPVP does not have the flexibility of build and consumables that people have become used to using.

It is amazing the amount of ‘circle jirks’ that post in these threads even though they are all moved to the naughty step forum.

MarMaster.6241:

Lurch is misguided. I don’t like the buff, I don’t gvg. Stacking stats on the larger server will continue to alienate smaller servers.
Bert and Ernie are not part of this conversation.

You my friend need to either learn to read or work on your powers of comprehension.

Dual.8953:

Lurch.9517:

If each capture point was +50% wxp accumulation stacking to 150% they would get a lot of attention because these days those trains are farming WXP not PPT in the main part.

1) 3 sets of 3 points. So 9 points = 150%
2) Why should the enemy care you have +150% WxP? Why will they take the time to fight you on point for it?

1) Yes
2) Because they will also want the WXP bonus, I am working under the assumption that those people still left playing the game are going to be more progression orientated than PVP orientated and they are getting WXP for killing the guy at the point and making their grinding time 150% more effective in the process.

LilMcGinley.3890:

Lurch.9517:

snippy snip

Great big ol snip

Stats =/= fun.

Why did you leave WoW then?

Paxus.6543:

Berserker’s Pearl Sabre stats =
+90 Power
+64 Precision
+5% Critical Damage

vs.

Zojja’s Razor
94 Power
67 Precision
5% Crit Damage

Plus the 5 to a stat for an infusion.

IS THIS REALLY going to make someone untouchable in WvW because of these super small incremental increases??

THAT IS NOT THE BLOODY POINT. It means that main is no longer finished gear wise let alone alts. means less satisfaction just playing how I want because at back of mind constant niggle that toon is not ‘finished’. Even if I made Ascended weapons for all my mains different builds I would still know that there is a better weapon (The Legendary swiss army knife) that makes my bag full of weapons seem silly but I would get over that as statswise I am maxed (until the next gear is introduced)

So for all the guys you are suggesting not to bother getting ascended weapons as the 13% (I think on a Power build) dmg difference is negligible, how about when the ascended armour comes out and is on a similar rather arduous basis to acquire (not an unreasonable assumption)? Still just stay in exos and suck it up?

Realistically, a lot of people will just not bother and become more and more casual, when the armour comes out on a similar basis a lot of those people will just stop.

In the mean time I guess Anet are hoping to make a load of sales to people that like gear progression games.

Most of the venom you are seeing is actually nothing to do with the buff at all, as nobody could sanely support the buff for the sake of itself. The venom is being exhibited by some WvW players (lets call them Ernie) who feel that some other WvW players (lets call them Bert) that also like to do organised team versus team fights in WvW maps sometimes act in a high handed manner.

Ernie is acting in support of the +stat buffs as he rather gleefully realises that it will kitten on Berts parade as the idea of pre arranged group versus group fights is to be on as level a playingfield as possible. Ernie seems quite happy to kitten on everyones parade including his own just so that Bert will be a sad panda.

wibble (double post)

Altie.4571:

WvW is not meant to be balanced. Legendaries are already in WvW and they don’t make that big of a difference.

If you dislike it, get a set of your own. They did say they are going to make it obtainable through wvw as well.

Not sure who you are replying to but fairly certain its not me so I assume it must be your invisible friend.

Treborlavok.3504:

Lurch.9517:

Treborlavok.3504:

aspirine.6852:

Ascended gear right now is very alt unfriendly. It has nothing to do ith progression because the weapons are not needed in the game.

And that’s why a lot of ppl are upset. In an altaholic myself, I personally don’t care at. About ascended weapons because I’m a casual player and know it would take me awhile to 1 get the gold needed to craft to 500, and 2 the mats. I feel about ascended how I’ve always felt about legendaries… What’s the point… That was until they were bis so now you could for that factor say its worth it. But honestly a legendary is less of a grind than an ascended weapon. He’ll if I had the money, and I wouldn’t if I didn’t have 6 fully geared toons, is buy one and not do any grinding and keep playing how I wanted.

Bizarrely, I would be more inclined to attempt Ascended weapons if legendaries did not exist and even slightly more inclined if they had the stat switching ability the same as legendaries.

What I mean is that as WvW player I am demotivated to get ascended as guys with legendaries already got the stats and I am also demotivated by the fact that I need a different ascended weapon for each build choice on my toon.

If legendaries didn’t exist, and they weren’t time gated, in sure ppl wouldn’t care. They’d be thrilled.

Honestly if they want to keep ascended gear and weapons in the game they need to do what someone else just said and make them easier to acquire. Let us spend laurels and wvw tokens, or guild commendations or hell let them be drops and let us buy them off the tp or even craft them and be tradeable.

You miss my point, if Legendaries did not already exist then I actually would not have nearly as big a problem with ascended weapons and the time/effort to acquire them. Also, if ascended weapons also had the stat selection out of combat feature (just not the particle effects) of Legendaries then I may be more inclined to go for them.

Its not about making stuff easy to acquire as that negates the whole point of vertical progression and gear grinders who fixate on that crap.

To be the winner (if an MMO could have such a thing) now it is effectively all down to RNG or silly amount of RL money and playing the trading post. The guys that got Precursors early and sold them or just ridiculously abused their credit cards to get a good pool of cash then control the TP can have more or less as any/whatever Legendaries they want. These guys are done, they can now play the game as they feel and be ahead of any curve Anet throw at us whilst the rest are grubbing around trying to make inferior (ascended) weapons that can be superseded at some future stage to keep up with them.

Any real min maxer would not even look at ascended weapons and just get Legendaries… At this stage I would sooner stab myself in the eyes with hot needles than even try to get on the legendaries train.

If each capture point was +50% wxp accumulation stacking to 150% they would get a lot of attention because these days those trains are farming WXP not PPT in the main part.

Treborlavok.3504:

aspirine.6852:

Ascended gear right now is very alt unfriendly. It has nothing to do ith progression because the weapons are not needed in the game.

And that’s why a lot of ppl are upset. In an altaholic myself, I personally don’t care at. About ascended weapons because I’m a casual player and know it would take me awhile to 1 get the gold needed to craft to 500, and 2 the mats. I feel about ascended how I’ve always felt about legendaries… What’s the point… That was until they were bis so now you could for that factor say its worth it. But honestly a legendary is less of a grind than an ascended weapon. He’ll if I had the money, and I wouldn’t if I didn’t have 6 fully geared toons, is buy one and not do any grinding and keep playing how I wanted.

Bizarrely, I would be more inclined to attempt Ascended weapons if legendaries did not exist and even slightly more inclined if they had the stat switching ability the same as legendaries.

What I mean is that as WvW player I am demotivated to get ascended as guys with legendaries already got the stats and I am also demotivated by the fact that I need a different ascended weapon for each build choice on my toon.

aspirine.6852:

Ascended gear right now is very alt unfriendly. It has nothing to do ith progression because the weapons are not needed in the game.

Its only alt unfriendly in WvW but then, WXP is very alt unfriendly also.

Treborlavok.3504:

Kalan.9705:

Wins should be on skill not stat imbalance & grind time, so yes any measures that point wvw towards a skill not grind basis are good.

Exactly

Honestly it would be nice if we could keep our armor and weapon skins from pve in both pvp and wvw. Just, when you enter either wvw or pvp, you have to choose your stats on your armor/weps youre already wearing.

Grinders that got the skins are still happy, but everyone is at an equal stat playing field at the cost of nothing but changing your armors stats.

Whilst on face value that looks like a great idea, unfortunately they are still convinced that S/TPVP will become a fantastic e-sport so the build availability in PVP is much more restricted than PVE for ‘balancing’ purposes. If they actually gave up on the whole e-sport concept and went along the line you are suggesting it would be a much more fun game for everyone.

Blanche Neige.7241:

ukuni.8745:

I’d recommend them making a loot bag that can only drop from player kills that randomly gives some of the items you need for ascended gear

Forcing PvE players into a style of play they dislike is a bad idea.

The reverse is also true. PvP players should not be forced to do PvE either.

WvW is PVPVE tho, pure PVP players do not have to touch it and pure PVE players do not have to touch it either.

Lord Kuru.3685:

What do GvG people think about Guard Leech and Applied Fortitude?

Why would GvG care about those? They are voluntary buffs and as they strive to be on as fair a playing field as they can they do not take those buffs. They also do not use stat stacking weapons or if they do they clear all stacks between matches.

Xenn.3809:

GvGers will find a solution to it, if they want to keep it alive they will – but how is WvW going to cope with the snowball effect of the buff?

The sad answer to your question matey is that it will continue just the same except that blow out matchups will become bigger blow outs and reasonable matchups will not be overly affected. IIRC the vast majority of complaints about the orbs back in the day was the hacking rather than the snowball effect, although WvW playstyle was a lot less developed by playerbase back then.

I genuinely do not understand the people that spew hatred at GvG players and want them to leave WvW. The only servers that could possibly be affected by GvG are the extremely stacked servers and if these servers lost all their GvG active WvW guilds they would sink like stones as all the hangers on would leave also.

Take Syphhead the OP he made a laborious post as a build up to his real point which was the naive snarky P.S at the end. Why not tell us more about yourself Syph? Which server are you on, what guild are you in, how long have you been playing the game? What is your preferred play style? How many servers have you been on?

NO, Ascended does not really belong in the game I thought I was playing but if they are going to keep it in the game then it should have its full effect.

in a complete mismatch (ie 70% of them) the server with the overnight/daytime prescense will be able to easily have all the buffs and not be overly concerned by the fleeting prime time interference of the less pop servers. Servers that do huge Blob follow the Dorito (ie Abbadon) and jump between borders will not really have benefit from this but at the same time will still be a 1111 blob so not really care.

If you want to try equal gear PVP then go to HOM and play s/tpvp, but I think you probably know that already and this is a troll topic.

better idea than proposed ones except the ‘guild claim’ part that would be a definite no no, I am sure I don’t need to explain why if you think about it again for a moment.

Why is everyone banging on about rewards all the time? Rewards can be got from PVE. All I would like to see in WvW is a numbers balancing mechanic +/-10-20% max differential between the 3 sides, by default this would cause a spreading out of WvW populations. Maybe also take the idea some guy said earlier and make the league WvW competition a different set of servers and leave the regular wvw servers as they are for the PVD farm trains.

Threads like this are a fire risk, so many straw men.

oh and OT OP I gotta Team Speak

Zelyhn.8069:

Lurch.9517:

End of which game? The one we were playing before ascended gear or the one after because they are very different games

You mean like 5% different, right?

Don’t keep doing that or your tongue will permanently stick to the window

Underwater combat was actually abandoned by Anet before release, hence the fact it is unfinished broken and unbalanced.

End of which game? The one we were playing before ascended gear or the one after because they are very different games

champ.7021:

Tiger.7506:

You need to do dungeons, world events, jumping puzzles, WvW, open world exploring to find chests, mini-dungeons, and crafting to get top tier gear…
if you find none of those things engaging and fun content then why in the world are you playing the game?

Im not sure if youre serious or being sarcastic

but you have to do all of those things right you cant just do one and get all the t7 mats. I havent done a world event in ages or Jps

I think he/she is either very young, ‘special’ or a complete troll. I have not checked his/her post history in case its the second option and I would feel like bit of a heartless git.

Raine.1394:

Lurch.9517:

Naus the Gobbo.5172:

1. Content rush – I really enjoy having new content come out every 2 weeks.

2. Gear rush – You don’t “get ascended gear now”. It’s been out since November last year, and there is no need to have it. And the legendary gear/new weapons will have the same stats as ascended items.

3. Killing game variety – Skill>gear in this game.
I play mostly greens/yellows/oranges and I never have any problems. If you know how to play your profession properly then you don’t need best-in-slot gear.
And this is coming from someone who doesn’t do “builds”. I pick the traits and abilities I enjoy.

4. Achievement rush – Achievements are GWII’s equivalent of likes on Facebook. No matter how many you have, it doesn’t make you any better.
The only times where I bother with achievements are when they give rewards that I like – the Watchknight tonic is the only one so far I have liked, except of course the achievement skins, which I actually find quite dull.

How many hours per day do you spend in WvW?

i would doubt that someone who pays no attention to gear or builds spends much time in WvW. Dying is not fun.

Well yes, that was my point.

Naus the Gobbo.5172:

1. Content rush – I really enjoy having new content come out every 2 weeks.

2. Gear rush – You don’t “get ascended gear now”. It’s been out since November last year, and there is no need to have it. And the legendary gear/new weapons will have the same stats as ascended items.

3. Killing game variety – Skill>gear in this game.
I play mostly greens/yellows/oranges and I never have any problems. If you know how to play your profession properly then you don’t need best-in-slot gear.
And this is coming from someone who doesn’t do “builds”. I pick the traits and abilities I enjoy.

4. Achievement rush – Achievements are GWII’s equivalent of likes on Facebook. No matter how many you have, it doesn’t make you any better.
The only times where I bother with achievements are when they give rewards that I like – the Watchknight tonic is the only one so far I have liked, except of course the achievement skins, which I actually find quite dull.

How many hours per day do you spend in WvW?

Septemptus.7164:

But I hope eventually people will break free from this race and leave game even more.
Please show statistics how many players left the game from whose who bought it next year.

Just out of curiosity, what would qualify as someone having left the game?

Yep definitely need more particle effects when doing those farming zergs that end game content.

Aneu.1748:

But wait what you are doing is in WvW which means its part of WvW but no! It shouldn’t be!

Get it?

They are theme park guys they get all scared when players start thinking for themselves and doing sandbox type stuff. WvW is a specific ride in their themepark they dont want people doing their own thing in there as it will scare all the other customers.

Aneu.1748:

Lurch.9517:

That seems an awfully long winded way of saying ‘let me GvG in peace please and don’t make any changes to the game that will effect me doing so’

Actually its a long winded way of saying “Support each aspect of World vs World individually as opposed to dividing your community down the middle in an attempt to save your pride and/or ego”.

I hear what you are saying, Anet obviously do not. They are supporting the WvW part of their game, they do not view it as a sandbox and as far as they are concerned fair competitive PVP will take place in HOM and GvG will happen as and when they officially introduce it to the game should they choose to. In the mean time players are welcome to try and pursue such initiatives as GvG Fightclub Duelling etc but have to adjust themselves as WvW rules change. As the saying goes ’The lady is not for turning (except when it comes to vertical progression).

That seems an awfully long winded way of saying ‘let me GvG in peace please and don’t make any changes to the game that will effect me doing so’

skullfaerie.7203:

Oh my god, are you actually complaining that getting a legendary is hard work? It’s actually already way too easy in this game to get one, particularly since the changes. I’ve never seen this many t6 mats, gold and lodestones being thrown at you when I was making my Sunrise a few months back (and even then I thought it was too easy).
Even lodestones have become considerably cheaper.

Honestly, if you don’t want to work a little for it, don’t get one. It’s that simple.
The way players want everything instantly without having to put in any effort, that is a joke :/

If [false premise] then [grrrrrrrr]

This GvG hating seems to be weird NA thing, maybe all the GvG guilds in T1 NA should just move to the lowest 3 servers. The amusing thing about that I imagine is that within a few months those bottom 3 servers would become the top 3 and all the hangers on would transfer there and start complaining about GvG affecting PPT :p

Hmm, the PVE Dev team get all the talented creative PVE Devs, the PVP Dev team get all the guys that understand PVP and creating balance and the WvWvW Dev
team get err umm……….

Korgov.7645:

Have some faith with developers. There is already a system to award player when their opponent disconnects midfight. It will surely be extended to cover the stomp reward as well.

?? O_o :> :> <<<< >>>> :<

Orbs were not removed because they were concerned about balance or snowballing. They removed them because it was easier to do that than deal with fly hackers and the guys that were doing that with orbs made it too obvious.

Do you honestly really care? At this stage Anet have more than proven that they dont give a <insert defecation related expletive> so why on earth should we? Ok sure we have spent a year of our leisure/gaming time in GW2 but to be fair a lot of tha ttime was quite fun. For some people it still is fun but for those of us that no longer even slightly enjoy it lets just quietly go,

I do not think one needs to be a ‘rocket scientist’ to realise that anything one could receive in WvW as a reward is purely for Farming, Zerging, exploiting or in short, in PVP terms just being a bad. Even though in other games you are actually a good player, in this game to get the rewards you have to play like a window licking zerg monkey.

TLDR pm me if your GW2 account is less than 8 80’s in full cough end game cough I mean exotic gear.

balance does not exist, spvp only barely exists, WvW will shortly not exist… Only PVE exists in this game and anyone who says different is desperately clinging to a false hope.

anzenketh.3759:

Lurch.9517:

I object to the fact that ascended is an unnecessary gear tier (no content that requires it except high fractals) except of course WvW and WvW would not require ascended if the gear did not exist. Until they introduced Ascended weapons Legendaries were just ‘ooh pretty fluff content’ now as it turns out they are the most powerful weapons in the game making the ones of us that did not bother because we dont do fluff very disadvantaged.

Then explain to me how I am running around in WvW just fine with rares. It is not that much of a grind. I am 1/4 the way there and only because I am doing things slowly. I wish I had more time to dedicate to the game. Then I would run a test to see how easy it is to get ascended if you just leveled up your crafting while playing and saving all mats.

I seriously think the biggest problem is this. We are all level 80’s so we are mostly starting from ground 0 when if this was released at launch we would be most of the way done with gathering all of our mats if we played the game normally.

Nothing to see here, all this means is that you have not reached end game yet so cannot see the disgruntlement of people that reached end game 9 months ago and have 8 toons geared for it who now have to get back on a borked unnecessary treadmill again which by the way you do not have a prayer of ever catching up with.

P.S. yes you can do ‘fine’ in WvW in a zerg same as pressing 1 a lot or autoattack in PVE kitten, if this is your idea of a good time then god bless you.

I object to the fact that ascended is an unnecessary gear tier (no content that requires it except high fractals) except of course WvW and WvW would not require ascended if the gear did not exist. Until they introduced Ascended weapons Legendaries were just ‘ooh pretty fluff content’ now as it turns out they are the most powerful weapons in the game making the ones of us that did not bother because we dont do fluff very disadvantaged.

It is now officially Farmville wars zzzzzzzzzz not GW2 mate

Fun? WvW? you are confusing this with PVP mate, welcome to farmville