Guild Wars 2

Dawdler.8521:

WXP_Gain = WXP_Base * (The_World_You_Killed_Or_Capped_Score / Your_World_Score)

Sometimes math really is that simple.

Unfortunately, maths involving a constantly moving variable (due to pts on stomp) gets tricky.

The only group of players that is smaller than those that ‘purely WvW’ is those that purely PVP, in fact I would hazard a guess that there are more people that only PVP than there are that only WvW.

WvW is inextricably tied up with PVE and to excel in WvW these days you need to spend a fair amount of time in PVE or spend a truck load of cash on gems. Walking around Malchors Leap picking flowers is as much PVE as doing Thingummy dungeon path 2012 is.

This idea makes a hell of a lot of sense even something like 1st place server gets 50% wxp 2nd place gets normal 3rd place gets 150% wxp.. This should have a profound effect on the ‘casual’ players.

In fact, the idea makes so much sense that it does not stand a snowball in hells chance of being paid any attention to by the Devs.

Aberrant.6749:

@ OP… because fair weather players + Teq. True WvW-ers don’t care about the PPT as long as there are good fights to be had. Teq may well be taking the hybrid PvE/WvW players out of WvW as well.

aspirine.6852:

Lurch.9517:

Marsares.2053:

The one class that seems to enjoy it are thieves… it’s just a paradise for them at the moment and I’ve never seen so many of them coming out of the woodwork.

Oh noes has perma stealth thieves been fixed ??

I wish…………..

In this meta thieves are pretty kitten weak right now. I see less and less of them every week. Usually it’s just to scout/gank yaks/contest keeps/etc. then run away if anything looks at them funny.

Even in the new areas they are hardly the best to have in a fight. I also wish they would nerf perma-stealth… and changed thief from being so reliant on stealth overall. They need buffs in those areas so they can remain in the fight and not just stealth away or die… or die from conditions while trying to stealth away (which is what normally happens). They also seriously lack in group play… thieves are the least of my worries in WvW.

Mate I was making a silly joke re his ‘never seen so many theves’ comment.

Marsares.2053:

The one class that seems to enjoy it are thieves… it’s just a paradise for them at the moment and I’ve never seen so many of them coming out of the woodwork.

Oh noes has perma stealth thieves been fixed ??

Lorelei.3918:

snip snip (share sentiments but ne need to quote)

Once upon a time a person could invest a relatively modest amount of time to gear up in exotics. Figure out a decent build and then head off into WvW knowing they would be fighting on mostly even terms with their enemies.

That was fun.

Where the devs are taking us is definitely not ‘fun’ territory in my book.

Exactly, absolutely, wherever the devs are going now I have no idea and even less interest in finding out.

T1 was for the cool kids before all the kids came, now the cool kids gotta find a new place to be cool.

Neeho.3859:

So we need more incentive for people to zerg? We need to find a way to move away from the 50-man zergball roaming. If anything needs to be encouraged, it’s small group play.

Thats a fairly unthought out response as the maximum squad size is 25 and this would make guys want to join a squad rather than just hang on the coat tails of a blob.

my dog has no nose

saiyr.3071:

Please sir, you must also be a GvGer lest you shatter one’s world view.

Why yes its as plain as the nose on your face, you will be telling us that grass is blue next!

Toxic.4320:

Hack snip hack snip

Why Euro servers are getting split into more brackets when NA has more servers is unbelievable to me.

hack snip hack snip

It is unbelievable to me also because its not true.

EU servers 27 split into 3 brackets of 9 each
NA servers 24 split into 2 brackets of 12 each

There are enough legitimate things to vent frustration about without making crap up mate.

Yo mod coooey over here merge this thang before any more just blindly type into it

This is a very good point and I am pleased you have created a new thread to bring it to everyones attention! +1000 to this observant man

The amusing thing about Bloodlust points is that the big zergy servers are encouraged to zerg even more so they do not lose PPT from stomps and the smaller more roamer orientated servers are being turned off from their type of play by general dislike of the buffs. So, in a blow out match this is just going to lead to a 100 man blob in each map from 1 server all playing ‘I Spy’ all day long and Tequiiiiiiiiiiiiila! getting the crap kicked out of him on the other 2 servers.

Jalad Lantana.3027:

I think Bloodlust is just the beginning of Anet’s efforts to move WvW players into spvp.
I won’t be surprised if they continue adding more spvp like features to WvW and start changing rewards so that spvp becomes the most efficient path to being competitive in WvW.

If Arenanet continues down this kind of path, I am moving on to other games.

Hmm, if it was possible to get all the money and gear I needed for WvW from playing SPVP rather than PVE then I would be an extremely happy camper.

That would mean I would not have to PVE at all in order to be competetive in WvW
ching ching this would indeed get me SPVPing like a kitten saying YES I am a circle jirk too!!! Hell I would take that all day long over grinding in PVE for gear.

Esoteric.5490:

The new stat buffs are great. Try figuring out the meta instead of assuming everything is a zergfest.
You all keep quoting Habib. Let’s see. You can’t hack these and you can’t hide them in an upgraded keep to hoard all your stats. They transfer fluidly between servers unless you allocate people to protect and hold the points.* Just because you can’t strategically comprehend a level of gameplay doesn’t make it broken or stupid.*

Your point is on the money in a relatively even match up, however, balanced matchups are not at the top of (or even on) Anets to do list. Would you care to transfer to Kodash or Desolation and give them a lesson in strategy against SFR at the moment?

Delta Blues.8507:

lordkrall.7241:

Delta Blues.8507:

I haven’t played since the introduction of ascended.
It really feels like Anet is PURPOSELY screwing wvw up. I mean cmon how many threads had been brought up about how ascended first and the bl buff later would kill GvG and WvW altogether?
Countless. And they did it anyway. They knew exactly what would have happened.

This game has been a joke for months. But now this was the last straw

So you haven’t played since November and yet you are still hanging around posting more or less daily on the forums?

ascended weapons. I post because I liked the game. And release after release I’d feel always more frustrated and I’d still hope they’d fix something but they just kept screwing up. And since I can’t have my money back after they sold me a waterproof watch the broke after washing my hands the first time I complain on the forums. So maybe they’ll start make watches that are actually waterproof.
I’d see your point if I’d be the only one here complaining about their work, but guess what, there’s hundreds of people doing it. Almost every thread is about how they’re screwing up and fail to meet their customer.
so booyah.

His and my later point was related to you saying ‘since ascended not ’since ascended weapons’

We were both questioning why after so long you keep posting… as it is its only been 1 month or so not 10 months as your original post inferred

ArkAngel.7940:

We just attacked the wurm by the wurm gate in the Borderlands, and it was level 84!! I don’t know what the devs are thinking but that is way too OP. He could be stacking food buffs and have full ascended and possibly even have that bloodlustbuff that gives him +1000 stats.

I’m not going to play until this is fixed!!!!

Delta Blues.8507:

I haven’t played since the introduction of ascended.
It really feels like Anet is PURPOSELY screwing wvw up. I mean cmon how many threads had been brought up about how ascended first and the bl buff later would kill GvG and WvW altogether?
Countless. And they did it anyway. They knew exactly what would have happened.

This game has been a joke for months. But now this was the last straw

You have not played for 10+ months? Why are you still bothering look at this forum?

fett.9573:

The buff is slightly more than food if a server holds all three. Not that bad and you can still kill them.

Not wishing to add to hyperbole but could you tell me which supermarket your toon buys his food at? Because I want to shop there too.

editing 15 chars blah blah

Jski.6180:

Darius Glazkov.9750:

doing this in spvp is a joke, you have even less build diversity with the way gear is handled and some sigils for example aren’t even available in spvp. not to mention you can’t fit 40 people into a match.

regardless, being moved to ingame events in 3…2…1…

Because its made to be balanced a great deal more then what you find in WvW and in a way WvW is made to not be balanced so… If your saying you need to have these more unfair builds in your GvG to win that ok but that IS what your saying. The more ppl the more lag and then it becomes more about your teams pc power or web condition.

If builds are available to all then I fail to see the unfair aspect? Greater numbers mean more diversity of builds and group composition become viable.

Staying strictly OT, I think we can all agree that Anet have indeed found a solution to GvG

Kincaidia.3192:

For the times when you have no coverage, this will always happen. It happens regularly on the majority of servers – prime time comes around, and you have ground to make up.

Push your own borderland against fully upgraded hills/garrison/etc.
Push EB near spawn-side towers.
Push EB Keep.
Push EB far spawn-side towers.
Upgrade and hold.
NOW you can have an almost even fight.

Anet just added an additional (and continually present) thing to the checklist: try to take down the buff from the dominant server, or EVERYTHING on the list will be harder.

One practical side effect that I’m seeing now that this is live: the #2 server would rather go up against the #3 server than face the #1 server with +150 to stats.

I will bet my account that this will be, if not modified, catastrophic to morale.

A bet is only meaningful if you wager something you care about losing

Reikou.7068:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

I am one of them, i wont touch S/TPvP in its current form, its just SO boring and so unbalanced that is not fun in any way shape or form. WvW is the ONLY way i will play PvP it is pretty much the only thing i play in the game other then the odd event outside but at least 90% of my day is spent in WvW.

I just think its funny how a WvW player thinks s/tPvP is “unbalanced.”

“boring” I can perhaps understand. “Unbalanced?” Even more so than WvW? Really?

To be fair to him I think what he means is that he does not bother with the cough e-sport cough S/TPVP because it is not balanced sufficiently to be equal so probably feels it is insulting his intelligence. WvW is not sold as or expected to be balanced or fair by its very nature so had no problem with it.
However, along with all the other general mismanagement of the WvW format, to put in such a misguided and badly thought out deliberate unbalancing feature and expect reasonable thinking people to just suck it up is indeed insulting our intelligence.

At least, thats what I think.

If WvW were balanced numbers wise then stat buffs would not be so much of an issue as all on a level playing field, when numbers can be 750 v 200 v 50 whats the bloody point?

The killer of the stat buffs is the guys that wake up to 0 ppt and the enemy with superior buff, they are not overly motivated to even bother playing = the only person actually happy is that guy who cares about PPT and he is a weirdo anyway.

Terrahero.9358:

Lurch.9517:

Gav.1425:

No stat buffs for anyone, IMO.

Buff that increases PPT? Sure. 5% per stack.

All you are effectively saying is that you are anti objective based PVP and just want a sandbox.. That is not this game and you will not have that.

Right, because obviously if you do not get a massive stat buff from the capture points there are no longer any objectives left in WvW to fight other players over.
No camps, no keeps, no towers, no guard points, no dolyaks. Nothing. That all hinges on the existance of stat-boosting capture points. oh wait…

You should be a politician…

#:“I dont like cola”
You:“This guy hates people who drink soda!”

Thats you, thats what you do.

If he had said nothing after ‘no stat buffs for anyone imo’ then I would agree with you. But instead he followed it up with ‘+5% PPT sure.’ I inferred from this that he does not really care about objectives as only guys that care about PPT would even bother getting / stopping PPT buffs. I think my assessment of him is a lot nearer than yours of me.

Tom Gore.4035:

Lurch.9517:

Well I would offer a solution but last time I checked my payslip it was not from Anet/NCsoft so I am suggesting a work around. If players want to complain here and wait for the solution which is NEVER going to come then god bless them, personally I got better things to do.

So in your opinion we, as paying customers, should just shut up and figure a way around a broken game mechanic, instead of filing a complaint to the only party that can fix the problem and just happens to be the same party we’re giving our money to?

You seem to be sure that they cannot solve this problem. Any sources or are you just a pessimist at nature?

You are right! If I were you I would cancel my sub.

No source I am simply a realist.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

Did I miss something, or am I right in thinking that the “decay prevention” team will get ZERO reward for sitting on their duff in the ruin of power? Just like scouts in towers/keeps get ZERO reward for doing an important job?

This is why pretty much nobody sits in towers/keeps these days.

Mechanics that only reward server score, without rewarding the individual player simply don’t work. This is why the GvG meta game developed all on it’s own.

Mod mod he said GvG, quick move this thread to the naughty step!

It cuts like a knief what those dirty no good thifes are allowed to get away with

Generally if the thread is in any way connected with GvG then you will find it gets moved to the ‘naughty step’ forum

Tom Gore.4035:

Lurch.9517:

Tom Gore.4035:

Lurch.9517:

When people are saying stacked they mean stacked for wvw purposes, and EB is blob ville anyway, if guys hate SM 3 way blob lag then they can go to a BL instead.

Mind = blown!

Why didn’t I think of this awesome solution?!

…

Wait… the borderlands lag TOO!

I was replying to somebody else not making general statement, mister out of context

Whatever your intent was, your “solution” sucks, as it’s not a solution, but a workaround. What if they want to defend their T3 castle instead of abandoning it to the enemy and going to the borderlands? Shouldn’t they be able to do that without the game becoming unplayable.

Stop offering players workarounds so that ANet can get off the hook and doesn’t need to invest in WvW. It’s practically our duty to lag and crash the servers so they are forced to react in one way or another.

Well I would offer a solution but last time I checked my payslip it was not from Anet/NCsoft so I am suggesting a work around. If players want to complain here and wait for the solution which is NEVER going to come then god bless them, personally I got better things to do.

Tom Gore.4035:

Lurch.9517:

When people are saying stacked they mean stacked for wvw purposes, and EB is blob ville anyway, if guys hate SM 3 way blob lag then they can go to a BL instead.

Mind = blown!

Why didn’t I think of this awesome solution?!

…

Wait… the borderlands lag TOO!

I was replying to somebody else not making general statement, mister out of context.

The answer to your issue is do a work around or just keep complaining here waiting for Anet never to solve the problem.

Gav.1425:

No stat buffs for anyone, IMO.

Buff that increases PPT? Sure. 5% per stack.

All you are effectively saying is that you are anti objective based PVP and just want a sandbox.. That is not this game and you will not have that.

Grok.6714:

Skill lag has NOTHING to do with stacked or non stacked server.

- Each WvW map has a certain limit, so even on stacked server there’s only a given amount of people on the map.
- Skill lag is present on medium servers also, if there’s a 3way fight in SM for example, or a zerg vs. zerg fight in a keep.

When people are saying stacked they mean stacked for wvw purposes, and EB is blob ville anyway, if guys hate SM 3 way blob lag then they can go to a BL instead.

Mate you have gone from T nose bleed to T1, it would have been a better idea to come and read the forums before transferring rather than come to the forum and post afterwards.

It would seem that nothing in game has changed to cause more server lag it is just the pre season start band wagoners experiencing it for the first time and overstacking of T1 servers being exacerbated.

computer said ‘NO’

They opted for this way rather than having separate PVP and PVE servers, its not pleasant for either the PVE centric or PVP centric players when all thrown in together. However, it is good for the players that like to play a little bit of everything and the more casual crowd.

To be fair, this was marketed very much as a PVP game so as a PVE player coming here you are not justified to be nearly as but hurt as the PVP players that bought it are or rather were.

how about ‘All dressed up and nowhere to go’ as PVE title
and
we don’t need a WvW title for it as nobody who just does WvW could have all ascended.

jaimy.4108:

Mweh I am missing BB, our new matchup is dull compared to last week =_=

HI BANANA’S!

You can’t have BB back we are keeping them :p

mysticque.6182:

We have so many trolls/spies from Sanctum of Rall. They come to Blackgate and ruin our map awareness. Arenanet should give the world community to vote out any troll players and if it reach a certain threshold should ban that person from that world.

noooo man please don’t ban me from the World :/

irchon.5961:

Lurch.9517:

My whole proposal is not about ‘balance’ as in this format that is beyond reach, its simply about making the game playable at every tier. In my opinion very shortly T1 will become completely unplayable due to lag and queues and then there will be a chaotic fallout of playerbase.

My mistake. I better understand your OP, and I have a couple questions in response.

If you “close” the current t1 servers, wouldn’t you expect a new set of t1 servers to emerge with the same problems you’ve identified?

That would be fine, the same mechanic is then applied to these servers

Have you considered that Anet dictating (dismantling) server population could drive players away from not only wvw but the game itself?

Forced transfers and merges tend to do that rather than restriction of movement

I don’t mind queues; it’s part of the game.

What maximum length of queue do you deem acceptable?

The skill lag is a critical problem, I agree. It strips the fun out of, what should be, my favorite event in wvw — large scale, massive battles.

Yes and the more a server tier is stacked the worse it becomes…

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irchon.5961:

Why are the t1 servers singled out? I play on FA, and there’s a huge gap between our wvw #‘s and everything below t2. Based on what I’ve seen, we’re a lot closer to competing with the #‘s of JQ’s, BG’s and SoR’s than Mag or Ebay are to us.

Restricting transfers to t1 would not be a solution. It’s just a shift in power to t2 and whichever destination server absorbed 90% of the free transfers. I have my doubts there would be anything close to an even distribution of transfers.

My whole proposal is not about ‘balance’ as in this format that is beyond reach, its simply about making the game playable at every tier. In my opinion very shortly T1 will become completely unplayable due to lag and queues and then there will be a chaotic fallout of playerbase.

style.6173:

@OP. Why do you care if people transfer to a T1 server? T1 caters to a very specific audience. It is for those who want well coordinated, zerg warfare. If you are more into the smaller group roaming style, a lower tier is more appropriate.

It just depends what you enjoy.

That’s actually a very fair question, if Anet could not give a stuff about population balances and playability of their game then why on earth should I?

Cradorell.3941:

The should just close transfers as soon as possible!

Just closing transfers will not help the situation, it has to be managed.

You are saying that you would quit if you did not have the option to gangbang onto the winning server in any matchup I can see that. But what makes you think that so many other people have the same view? A lot of people take advantage of the lack of transfer control but I very much doubt they would quit if it was controlled.

Rigel.3092:

We should always have a CHOICE – blocking that ability to have a CHOICE will have irreversible consequences for this game.

Dont mean to be rude but what the hell are you on about?

Why would people massively quit if not allowed to transfer to T1 servers?

What I meant is that unless they bring in a controlled transfer policy then it really does not matter what happens in the ‘Leagues’

Xolido.2847:

for example, if a server wins Bronze League getting 1st place, will the server then next season be moved up to Silver League ?
Or does it depend on the amount of points scored contra the points earned by the bottom silver server ?

I reckon the server that wins first place in Bronze league will be promoted to Silver
league .
Players on the server that finishes last place Bronze league will all transfer to Gold league

gebrechen.5643:

I still hope they sometimes merge EU and NA (and get rid of language servers) and just make 3 leagues out of that.
EU wasn’t balanced at the start of the game, because timezones in EU are close to each other, so any server with people from countries +3 or -3 hours from central EU prime time would dominate. (or servers with the most players who can stay up late)
There will be no good competition in the EU bracket without massive transfers from all over the world to EU servers – and that won’t happen.

There was never a good reason to have separate NA and EU servers available to the same account. Should have just been one lot of servers or NA and EU being completely separate and unable to transfer between.