Have you ever considered that your view on whats fun isnt the only one in the world? You do realise that because of the way the endgame has been done that people have mainly done all the story and explorerer modes. Alot of folks dont find things fun once its been done the once unless they have something to work for. Ya know that to some people (alot of people) they enjoy (aka have fun) chasing things that improve their toons.
The problem with this , is that it goes both ways.
While you think this would add a new level of fun , i think this would directly diminish the fun i have ingame atm…
This stalemate is the problem , we got player on both sides right now. How to decide who is right? Cant really be done since this a matter of opinion.
All i can say is that this game was promised my way , so unless your side one day get the smashing majority , i dont see this changing.
I think the difference is that most that want to see this kind of thing happen try to think of ways to make it so while not ruining it for other sort of players. WHile those apposed seem to be of the mind that screw those that want it cos their view is the only one that counts.
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Everyone (well lots and lots of people do anyways) loves to duel in every MMO ive ever seen. best system Ive seen so far though was in DC Universe Online. You flag yourself as wanting to duel, an emblem appeared above your head, when someone tries to interact with you they challange you to a duel. To which you accept or decline.
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DO NOT ADD MOUNTS!!
this serves no purpose aside from promoting elitism and adding another useless gold sink. it would also increase lag on the server.
mounts are not needed since there are many waypoints to use to travel.
Oh look another one who only read the title.
How the hell mounts promote elitism? Please educate me on this one cos after 8 years of playing mmo’s this ones a 1st for even me.
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Doing the same old content over and over is boring = customers leave.
But that’s the point really if you aren’t enjoying the content then you do something else and come back when there is new content. Remember the reason most traditional MMOs have the carrot for you to chase is to get you to keep doing the content (even though your bored of it) to get something so that you keep paying to play. It is the focus. Companies like arenanet their focus is on the game being fun and players wanting to play it because it is fun. They don’t need us to keep playing it continuously. When we are done having fun we can come back when the new content is added to have fun with it and stop when we are done having fun, rinse repeat.
Why does anyone need some sort of better than I already have reward in order to do content. Why not just enjoy the content for what it is. Fun story to enjoy with friends. And the joy of helping others do it for the first time. If the only reason to do something is for better gear then why play a game at all. That it is like having a second job. The point of this game is to have fun and enjoy the story (stories).
Are you 1—% alturistic like that in RL as well. If not then any reason to describe why not can be very well applied to a game. Simple as.
I guess so because I don’t go to the movies expecting some sort of prize after enjoying the story. Or any other form of entertainment. Why would it be any different in a game? Why can’t just any normal RPG loot be given for content completed? Why does it have to be better than anything you’ve gotten previously? Does that somehow change the enjoyment (fun had) of the content? Heck why does there have to be gear in the first place? Most old school RPGs didn’t (or had minimal gear that was provided to you in various ways along the way) as they, like GW2, were all about having fun and telling a story. Remember the reason to do the content is supposed to be because it is fun. If your doing it only because you get something nice at the end, I’m afraid it’s time to re-evaluate why you are bothering to play the game. I did this with other MMOs. When the answer was only because of the new gear I quit the games because the point in playing a game is supposed to be having fun. There’s no point in playing if your not having fun. So if the content isn’t fun any more I don’t know how adding a progressive gear climb as incentive to repeat the content is somehow going to change that.
Have you ever considered that your view on whats fun isnt the only one in the world? You do realise that because of the way the endgame has been done that people have mainly done all the story and explorerer modes. Alot of folks dont find things fun once its been done the once unless they have something to work for. Ya know that to some people (alot of people) they enjoy (aka have fun) chasing things that improve their toons.
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Add mounts for lvl 30, 60 and 80 would be a good idea if they won’t reduce the travel cost and different types of mounts with different options how to get them.
TYPES OF MOUNTS
lvl 30 mount – 90% increased movement speed
lvl 60 mount – 180% increased movement speed
lvl 80 mount – 250% increased movement speed
Land Mounts
Underwater Mounts
Land + Underwater Mount
WHERE TO GET MOUNTS
Racial Mounts – 3 mounts for each race, 1 for 30,60 and 80. 15 racial mounts in total.
lvl 30 mount cost 1g (Land)
lvl 60 mount cost 3g (Land)
lvl 80 mount cost 15g (Land + Underwater)
Dungeon Mounts – Traded for tokens by completing explorable mode.
All level 80 mounts. Cost 10 000 tokens.
Black Lion Mounts – Purchasable in the gem store and dropped by Black Lion Chests.
lvl 30,60 and 80 mounts. Land and Underwater. Event-special mounts.
you seem to have left out the Zhaitan 350% speed increase mount.
Seriously? You think mounts with that much speed increase would ever be considered? People want mounts, not formula 1 race cars.
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Does the engine that are using support cloth physics? I honestly don’t know. Anyways, I hear that capes are not in the game due to clipping issues. They must have been some really bad clipping issues if the best solution was ‘remove from game’.
yet hair and shields are in the game still
Give more cosmetic stuff like this please Anet. Many suggestions above and i agree with em all.
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Yes please, This is easier for me to know who to kick out. I hate players that doesn’t use gear that isn’t their level.
Also, I want to know who is wearing MF gear. They are leechers and do not contribute to anything.
You asked why people dont want inspect in the game? Well the quote above explains it perfectly. Silly elitist attitudes from people who base everything on gear selection.
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if the dont want gear progression they will have to churn out content at a very fast pace to keep people playing. They wanna sell those gems so they need people to play, that wont be the case if they get bored.
As people have said before gating and gear progression is a subtle (well probably not so subtle these days) of making content last longer. Without it you need more content.
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Once you have an exotic weapon you dont need a legendary.
and yet, legendaries don’t provide a 33% increase in speed permanently.
there is no need for mounts to have a speed boost.
plenty of people said they dont mind if they are normal speed. Alot suggested 33% since some classes can have that up permenantly anyways. Levels the playing field for all.
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Why does anyone need some sort of better than I already have reward in order to do content. Why not just enjoy the content for what it is. Fun story to enjoy with friends. And the joy of helping others do it for the first time. If the only reason to do something is for better gear then why play a game at all. That it is like having a second job. The point of this game is to have fun and enjoy the story (stories).
When you have a player base the size of GW2 you will find that people have different tastes. Alot of people have done the 100% map completion, farmed dungeons etc and now want something else to sink their teeth into.
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running past something til the little blue light lights up aint exactly immersing yourself in the enviroment. One idea could be that your only able to use a mount in an area you have completed. That promotes both the gold sink that would be a mount and exploration.
But once you have all the waypoints in an area, a mount is obsolete because waypoints are near enough to run to most things relatively quickly.
Once you have an exotic weapon you dont need a legendary.
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PPS: Waypoints don’t allow anyone to see the scenery, so they really aren’t encouraging travel by foot unless you’re broke/saving up.
you’d have to walk across the scenery first to get to the waypoint in the first place.
running past something til the little blue light lights up aint exactly immersing yourself in the enviroment. One idea could be that your only able to use a mount in an area you have completed. That promotes both the gold sink that would be a mount and exploration.
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Inspect. No thank you. You can easily ask someone what they are wearing etc. Inspect has only ever been useful to the elitist no lifers that want everyone to have what THEY say is needed to run easy dungeons
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My thoughts exactly, Lutharr. When leveling up, I was so excited to use that cool plate armor that I saw so many guards using…then I saw what we get and was very disappointed.
Thats why I use a mixture of normal skins and some t2 human racial set (best ingame imo). But even that dont have the kind of silver shine like the NPC displays.
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GW2 is not a traditional MMO we can all agree apon that. But i can 110% guarantee that if GW2 was assured 10 mil subs like a certain other MMO, they would change their direction in a heartbeat. The main reason developers go down the carrot and stick road is because like it or loathe it. It works.
Why people are getting their panties in a twist by people throwing out suggestions to improve the game is baffling. If as some of you keep saying, Anet wont ever do a gear progression then why care what others suggest? Not like it will ruin your gaming.
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this is a must imo. So many times u cant see a champion because of the insane ammount of effects blasting it. My PC can handle it easily, but as a melee its always fun to get curbstomped because you cant even see the animation to dodge.
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A. Several posts already about mounts. Actually too many to care for but in any case, post there.
B. Mounts would ruin many things in the game. Such as skipping over content by running past it all, cluttering up hot spots with large animals, Permaswiftness would just be extremely unfair in WvW since the whole goal should be keeping teamates alive and pushing forward, not respawning and running back to battle quickly to resupply your server meat shield. Mounts worked ok in some games but it serves no need in this game. Even as a aesthetic since we got titles, skins, and dyes.
A. read title before making statement that make you look silly. Id have thought the huge MERGED in the title was a dead giveaway. It being half the actual title id have thought you would have spotted that.
B. People skip past content with waypoints so thats an invalid point. Perma swiftness is available to several classes if they choose it. No one is asking for it to grant anything more than you can do yourself (its mainly aesthetic). Since this is a game basically based around aesthetics, adding another lare to that cant be a bad thing.
Personally Im sick of hearing how such a feature would ruin the game. Maybe if Anet put some braindead in charge and we got flying sparkle ponies with perma 100% speed (but i seriously doubt thats gonna happen).
Wouldnt the whole world be a better place if everyone thought that? I mean get off that PC/laptop since the human race started without it, thens its odviously not needed. But since you will likely go duh RL and game dont have the same rules ok. Ill mock up a petition to Anet to NEVER introduce ANYTHING, change ANYTHING, since we all bought the game already there is really no reason to even touch it again.
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Those people, I feel, must find another MMO. It’s just the sucky truth.
Until Anet comes out and says that people will make these suggestions. They paid the exact same as everyone else so their opinon is of as much value as those opposed to it.
Anet is a buisness who have to listen to paying customers if they want them to remain so. If they dont they lose money. They have wages to pay.
And people should notice that for everyone that wants to change another does not.
What now?
1) They can stay to the way they said the game would be and lose players.
2) They can change , and lose players.
See? Dont matter to them simple cause picking your way wont make them stop players from leaving.
Totally depends on how they impliment it. Would players leave just because they added something that didnt interfere with their vision of the game. Instance only upgrades are a compromise some have mentioned.
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Those people, I feel, must find another MMO. It’s just the sucky truth.
Until Anet comes out and says that people will make these suggestions. They paid the exact same as everyone else so their opinon is of as much value as those opposed to it.
Anet is a buisness who have to listen to paying customers if they want them to remain so. If they dont they lose money. They have wages to pay.
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Oh Im now stupid am I? Based on what then? The fact that I judge something by its merits or flaws and notkittendurp i must hate anything that WoW has cos I need to pretend to be one of the cool kids. What irritates me the most are people like you who dont have any spine yet will throw insults around on the net cos the person aint there infront of you. Bravo for proving what kind of person you are.
Point proven I feel.
Shows the limit of your arguements when all you can say is point proven when you dont have the ability to prove the point.
As I mentioned in another thread, all you ever do is shoot down anything peopel suggest adding to the game. So you want the shipped box as is and no improvements. Yup I can see Anet doing loads of buisness with that mentallity. Thankfully the people running the game have more going on upstairs than some hater.
They have sold 2 million units and counting with no “Endgame” or Gear Grind to speak of. Yes, I do want the game “as is”. I really like the game as it is now, which is why I bought it, and why I’ve spent over 300 hours playing it.
Of course there is room for improvement, which is why I’m even in this forum in the first place, but the improvement certainly is not “add gear grind”.
Thankfully the people running the game have more sense than to churn out yet another Gear Grind MMO and have it fail.
If they changed it into one now, I think that would be a huge mistake.[/quote]
Funny thing is no one is asking for another gear grind mmo. People have listed alternatives which wont effect you in your little bubble.
If they dont make improvements or expand, the game dies. No matter how you try to argue otherwise. People run out of things to do so search for something else.
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Go think of a better arguement. Hating WoW aint a valid arguement.
I’m not going to get too far into this debate, as I can feel the stupid resonating off you from here. I will say this though:
Guild Wars 2 is not a Gear Grind MMO. There are dozens of other MMOs in the world, and the vast majority of them are Gear Grind MMOs.
The reason for most MMOs being Gear Grind based is to keep people playing, either to keep them paying subs or buying stuff from cash shop.
Guild Wars 2 has chosen a different path, aiming to keep people playing by making the game actually fun to play, rather than using psychological tricks to make it addictive.
World of Warcraft is probably the best of the Gear Grind MMOs (kind of like being the best log floating in the toilet), which is why I would suggest if you acutally want Gear Grind for some weird reason, you should go play it.
The End.
Oh Im now stupid am I? Based on what then? The fact that I judge something by its merits or flaws and notkittendurp i must hate anything that WoW has cos I need to pretend to be one of the cool kids. What irritates me the most are people like you who dont have any spine yet will throw insults around on the net cos the person aint there infront of you. Bravo for proving what kind of person you are.
As I mentioned in another thread, all you ever do is shoot down anything peopel suggest adding to the game. So you want the shipped box as is and no improvements. Yup I can see Anet doing loads of buisness with that mentallity. Thankfully the people running the game have more going on upstairs than some hater.
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Another issue with all this is the way armour is stored. If everything is cosmetic we sure as hell need larger bank slots to store all this stuff. Unless they want us to spend ages amassing it and then having to destroy to make room.
@Chamone
Seem to notice all your post in the suggestions forum equal you not wanting anything adding to the game. Have fun playing on empty servers if you get your wish.
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Another issue with all this is the way armour is stored. If everything is cosmetic we sure as hell need larger bank slots to store all this stuff. Unless they want us to spend ages amassing it and then having to destroy to make room.
I don’t understand why some people take the view that because there is a lot of different types of armour in the game, that means that one of the objectives of the game is to collect all of the different types of armour.
It just isn’t. The devs don’t want you to spend ages amassing it. Get a set you like, hell, go crazy, get three, but then… STOP.
So you think what your able to like should be based on how much room you have in the bank? ok. If they fulfil their promise of fast content that will = more armour to collect. Fine if the games planning to only be around for a short while. But I feel they have a longer game plan.
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All I wanna know is when I can play my worgen Death Knight. Cowards who hide behind walls in WvWvW really upsets me! So Death Gripping them off would make my year
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Another issue with all this is the way armour is stored. If everything is cosmetic we sure as hell need larger bank slots to store all this stuff. Unless they want us to spend ages amassing it and then having to destroy to make room.
WoW had to be designed the way it was designed because people had to stay and pay monthly fees. Fewer people can still generate a high transaction volume with the micropayment path ANet chose if it’s done right. You simply get more money from less people, it still works out. No loss if somebody quits playing.
its not just one individual. those 1’s soon add up to lots.
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I saw people in other threads mention raids and progression gear and one of the ideas I saw and took note of (cos I liked it) was one where they had suggested an 8-10 man raid with better gear than exotics. But the gears stats only improved inside said raid (this could be done for dungeons to). Maybe killing a boss gives X points/tokens etc and those could be used to give runes/sigils that only work in certain areas (the dungeon)
Ok, so you farm that dungeon for a week, then you got the best gear again. What’s next then? Harder mobs, better gear? And then – even harder mobs, even better gear?
This “progression” is what resulted in the insane concept of monster levels and the infernal machine in D3, which imo is the most stupid approach I ever encountered.
Lots more games take a gear progression approach and since they are highly successful I seriously doubt it could be coined as stupid. Not to your taste maybe.
The facts are when folks feel that they have done all they can in a game and there is nothign else to do then they just quit. The arguement that people can come back at anytime while is valid is also a misconception. When people leave they usually go on to something else. They invest their time, money etc which means they are less likely to leave that to come back to a game that they left due to one thing or another in the first place.
Take WoW for instance. Played it for years. I eventually grew tired of the direction it was going. Apprantly the new expansion is better than expected, but I still wont go back due to having invested my time and money in GW2.
People are not asking for GW2 to be another WoW clone on the whole. Most are realising atm the endgame is limited and are making suggestions to address that. In the pursuit of perfection, no stone should be left unturned.
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My advice is to laugh it off. Yes report cos its not cool at all. But dont let it get to you. You will always find dregs in any community, and lets face it only women these clowns will ever see is via a web cam anyways.
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So basically, non-statted gear progression that only benefits that Dungeon?
I could get behind that. The only disadvantage I could see coming of it is the Elitists saying people can’t join a group if they don’t have the set.
Elisits will be dicks and require XXXX no matter what so wont change much. Just what kitten requirement they ask for will change. So really the OPs suggestion is sound as it has no real down-side
ANET: some of the words you choose to turn into kitten is ridiculous.
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The game needs more end game content its as simple as that. Everyone knows this. People tend to only do the dungeons that has armour they want to aquire. Cos lets face it no ones going to farm a dungeon to get armour they dont like and wont use (unless they are mental)
Most they will do is go once to experiance the dungeon and then stay away.
I saw people in other threads mention raids and progression gear and one of the ideas I saw and took note of (cos I liked it) was one where they had suggested an 8-10 man raid with better gear than exotics. But the gears stats only improved inside said raid (this could be done for dungeons to). Maybe killing a boss gives X points/tokens etc and those could be used to give runes/sigils that only work in certain areas (the dungeon)
With 3 level 80’s all in exotics I think endgame does kinda get boring faster than other games cos of the lack of actual progression.
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watched that video and it made me think of another suggestion. Dont make us have to press F to get out of cannons etc. Let us have the ability to dodge out of them if a missle is heading for it etc.
OP I doubt they will change it. But I aree with you since the end battle is just insanely boring considering what the fight is.
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@ Aefion I remember that stupid horse, he kicks like a mule. Only way I was able to kill him was kiting and luck. Which was a bit disheartening for my melee warrior, but melee is kiss of death in Personal Story instances, heavy armor or no.
I didnt see that. My GS warrior blazed through it quite easily (the story as a whole not the mule as ive not seen that). And switching to bow/rifle to kite is fun
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