Guild Wars 2

stinkypants.8419:

Lyndis.2584:

When we get to a tier that matters…

You heard it right here folks… T4 doesn’t matter, guess I’ll go back and finish my world completion!

*when we get to a tier where every point matters

Let’s face it, SoS’s competition is great, sure, but our coverage during Oceanic times does not make this matchup a tight race at all.

jojojoon.8607:

When I saw the siege capping exploit first occurring, I knew at the moment that if Anet did not act quickly and decisively (banning them), it will become a huge problem as it becomes part of the “meta.” Now, we have multiple servers sending spies over to other servers to siege cap to help their server win. The server that does this sieging capping the best will have a huge advantage in wvw.

Eventually, it won’t be just normal coverage that will cut it, but also spy and sabotage coverage.

Such a shame.

Draygo.9473:

Lyndis.2584:

Draygo.9473:

Lyndis.2584:

Should servers start to organize saboteur hours and spy coverage? It seems actually a large majority of people in GW2 have zero problem with this and supports it unlike me and it seems it’s only going to get bigger as time goes on. I suppose top tier servers will no longer be able to compete with each other unless that have just as much saboteur coverage as each other, as making sure the enemy is siege capped 24/7 will become more important as the fighting become more intense. I just shudder to think of the day where gates will be only be able to be destroyed by hand though because there’s hundreds of flame rams inside your spawn, that’s going to suck.

But from what I’ve seen, I’d say a good 50% of this board has zero problem with this ‘strategy’ and thinks its his right to do as he pleases. Oh well.

I don’t think 50% of this board have 0 problem with building hundreds of flame rams inside your spawn.

Not even close.

And as people have been suspended for doing this, I don’t see how its legit.

If you are building proper defensive siege in proper locations, I don’t think they can ban for that even if it puts you at siege cap.

In a thread I made a while ago about the subject, the debate was split evenly over it being okay and it not being so.

The same person in my server has been running around doing this every day for a few weeks and nothing has happened midst probably hundreds of reports and screencaps. Nothing doing.

Seems like it’s on its way to becoming a part of the game to me.

You were talking about the guy putting arrow carts on your wall. which can be used to shoot attackers, this is different than someone spamming arrowcarts/ballista where you cant really use them.

You didn’t make the case the person was attempting to seigecap you intentionally vs him playing his game to fortify your keep like fort knox. And customer support has to determine that the intent of siege spamming is to grief. It wasn’t clear in that case.

I’m talking about the one putting a hundred arrows carts and rams in the center of our spawn.

4/20 was yesterday. Drop the weed.

Waffler.1257:

SoS has 4 threads in the first three pages of this forum discussing being siege capped, how about you guys keep the siege cap discussion there and use this thread to talk about the fights. I’m pretty sure Anet is aware of the issue at this point. For your convenience here are the links:

1. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/So-now-that-siege-capping-is-legitimate/first#post1870506

2. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/This-has-been-going-on-for-WEEKS-Nothing/first#post1870104

3. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/spy-seige/first#post1868220

4. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Siege-cap-griefers/first#post1863433

Because it’s an increasingly large problem and there’s been little to no official response to it or any action taken against the people we want banned in weeks of reports and screencaps. Mocking us for making these pleas isn’t helping anyone.

On reset day, it took us around 3 additional hours to set up a waypoint in our keep than it did for your server or SBI. The minute the reset went out, they began building arrow carts and rams in our lowlands immediately draining out our 500 starting supply in less than half an hour.

It’s not a problem for you guys, but it’s becoming an urgent one for us. When we get to a tier that matters or actually comes to a close fight, this is going to only get worse.

Draygo.9473:

Lyndis.2584:

Should servers start to organize saboteur hours and spy coverage? It seems actually a large majority of people in GW2 have zero problem with this and supports it unlike me and it seems it’s only going to get bigger as time goes on. I suppose top tier servers will no longer be able to compete with each other unless that have just as much saboteur coverage as each other, as making sure the enemy is siege capped 24/7 will become more important as the fighting become more intense. I just shudder to think of the day where gates will be only be able to be destroyed by hand though because there’s hundreds of flame rams inside your spawn, that’s going to suck.

But from what I’ve seen, I’d say a good 50% of this board has zero problem with this ‘strategy’ and thinks its his right to do as he pleases. Oh well.

I don’t think 50% of this board have 0 problem with building hundreds of flame rams inside your spawn.

Not even close.

And as people have been suspended for doing this, I don’t see how its legit.

If you are building proper defensive siege in proper locations, I don’t think they can ban for that even if it puts you at siege cap.

In a thread I made a while ago about the subject, the debate was split evenly over it being okay and it not being so.

The same person in my server has been running around doing this every day for a few weeks and nothing has happened midst probably hundreds of reports and screencaps. Nothing doing.

Seems like it’s on its way to becoming a part of the game to me.

Exosferatu.2961:

Attack Sea Of Sorrows Lowlands Keep in Eternal Battlegrounds we dare you… no… actually we need your help SBI and CD. We have a griefer (X Thor The Might X) who keeps putting arrow carts everywhere in WvW and we can’t put any siege weapons. They keep refreshing the arrow carts every 30 minutes as well. His guild is “Compulsive Siege Builder,” – ultimate mockery.

Anet doesn’t care, and it actually seems people in GW2 support his actions and label it a viable strategy and defend him. I don’t even know what to say anymore.

Should servers start to organize saboteur hours and spy coverage? It seems actually a large majority of people in GW2 have zero problem with this and supports it unlike me and it seems it’s only going to get bigger as time goes on. I suppose top tier servers will no longer be able to compete with each other unless that have just as much saboteur coverage as each other, as making sure the enemy is siege capped 24/7 will become more important as the fighting become more intense. I just shudder to think of the day where gates will be only be able to be destroyed by hand though because there’s hundreds of flame rams inside your spawn, that’s going to suck.

But from what I’ve seen, I’d say a good 50% of this board has zero problem with this ‘strategy’ and thinks its his right to do as he pleases. Oh well.

Mandar.9813:

I just don’t get what kind of mass-solution you think Anet can implement that would be a catch-all fix. They already have it set so that siege not used in 30 mins disappears. Beyond that…what….should there be a kitten meter for players, or maybe something like “you’ve done too many kitteny things in the last 30 seconds, please wait at least a minute before attempting to be a kitten again”.

As for the saboteurs…hate to say but WvW isn’t a refereed game of tag in middle school where the teacher will put the mean kids in timeout because they aren’t playing “fair”. I have never sabotaged siege and I never would because that’s not my style, and I’m only half-way playing devil’s advocate. When you leave siege laying around, you are taking a risk that even a noob with good intentions will mess it up. WvW is battle and war, and sometimes the enemy uses dirty tactics. Sometimes you have a spy in your camp, or a saboteur sneaking across the lines, so to speak. Maybe I might be thinking too literally in terms of battle and war, but let’s say you’re in a battalion and you find out some saboteur has burned down your siege equipment or supply, are you going to stand on a soap-box and rally the people about how it isn’t fair and someone needs to stop those bad buys from being so bad? No, you’re going to learn from your mistakes, maybe put a guard on the stuff that matters, and think twice before you get too comfortable that you feel you can leave a valuable weapon sitting unattended.

I get it and I agree it is a problem, but trying to find a solution that is FAIR and not too totalitarian is going to be tough.

When new tactics come into play, we adapt and we re-strategize. I remember first encountering a stacking zerg….at first people griped about it, but then they adapted and created new strategy. Anyways, I talk too much….over and out.

I don’t think you understand. In extremely close matches and games, and in places like T1 and T2 play, victory will become eventually impossible until every single server not only has ‘coverage’ regarding troop deployment, but ‘coverage’ regarding saboteurs and spies as well that are tasked to siege cap enemies 24/7. Is that how you want to play? Make the game so unplayable that eventually EVERYONE will be required to play dirty and hire their own saboteurs to make sure no one on the map will ever be able to build siege ever again and instead stare listlessly at the hundred arrow carts in your spawn keep?

Someone from the other servers has a troll/spy that has been spending thousands of supply, siege capping us, suiciding golems, and for all we know telling the enemy servers of all our movements. I won’t divulge the username, but really? This guy needs a ban ASAP and I don’t know why he’s still running around our servers doing this stuff and spamming our chat with nonsensical idiocy for weeks.

Pathetically, we’re still beating them out by 10k+ points. Guess siege capping spies don’t do much.

Anyone else?

I am completely and fulled specced for berzerker gear. I have over 100 crit damage and around 60% crit chance with zero food. Power hits near 3k.

I still hit like a wet noodle with my longbow, and even that is shifty because half the arrows are always obstructed by thin air. Meanwhile glass cannon thieves are hitting for 2.5k per arrow with their SHORTBOW which is 2x faster but also bounces and has double the AoE.

Whydidirollaranger

This should be titled SoS/Trolls/Spies.

I can’t go a single day in WvW without seeing 20+ sieges built in lowlands.

So uh…there’s a certain event on my server that’s been bugged and it’s very profitable. Lots of people are at it all day. Is ‘exploiting’ this bannable? It’s just an event that spawns mobs that are very easy to AoE sweep.

Inside it? So you mean front line?

Don’t roll a ranger. For the love of god, don’t do this to yourself. Roll a longbow warrior if you really want a ‘ranger’ type of feel, it does more damage and a lot more burst with conditions to boot.

I feel like Anet is just screwing around with me at this point.

“Hey, wouldn’t it be funny if we made every 3rd arrow a ranger shoots randomly obstructed for no reason? Yeah!”

Some spy is planting over 50+ siege in our lowlands.

Good going guys, nice to see you spend 50 dollars and hours and hous out of your day to do that…

I’m literally shooting someone in the kitten face point blank.

All I see is kittening OBSTRUCTED OBSTRUCTED OUT OF RANGE (?) OBSTRUCTED OBSTRUCTED

I’d actually be interested to see if CD and SBI tried to team up for a week against SoS.

A whole new week.

This tier seems extremely balanced. Looks like first place can go any way at this point.

Good luck!

Oh my god
A ranger beat someone?

NERF!

thayes.4851:

The thief is perfectly fine. Our burst damage is completely in line with other classes. Survivability isn’t an issue for us because of stealth, we are supposed to rinse light armor classes and one shot them. Without perma stealth it has got a bit more difficult so they should probably fix that so that no one can see us ever.

10k backstabs from a 18k HP pool
1.5k toughness

Are you high?

I got an exotic just today with 0% additional MF.

It’s possible.

Props to CD for some good fights!

As for SBI….I haven’t gone a day without one of you guys doing /laugh at something. Come on now. :/

Hope we stay in this tier.

Implying X is either warhorn or dagger.

I plan to pair a melee with a longbow, with knight’s gear.

Maybe, just for once, we should all shut up about TSYM and talk about all the other smaller guilds doing a great job out there.

Good luck guys.

What is everyone complaining about again? Every time I 1v1 someone and win, they message “cheap free win mesmers, choose a real class”.

It’s getting kind of frustrating, maybe I’ll just change to warrior to ‘give everyone a real chance’.

Jesus.

I started an Engineer just for the kitten flamethrower, and now it’s not viable?

Specc’ing for zerker build with a longbow and shortbow.

I don’t know what to do anymore. Quit the game? 100+ gold that I saved to get that T3 armor and Exotic weaponry was pretty much the savings of my full time playing GW2 (3-4 months – ish).

I sincerely though we would come out better than before this patch. I was terribly wrong. Is there any way for a non trapper ranger to be even remotely half viable now?

Out of all the classes, would you say ranger be the one you’d kick after the patch?

Then again, rangers were being kicked before patches, so I guess that’s a little redundant.

Yeah guys, I have no trouble at all whatsoever slaughtering hundreds of rats and rabbits a day! I have no clue what all of you guys are complaining about – I’m so powerful I one shot all of these terrible white mobs – Ranger PvE for life.

At least not as anywhere as close to as we believe. In fact, I think perhaps a few GW2 staff members who play ranger might visit the forums, but actual live balance devs? I don’t think your posts are being heard at all guys. You’re just shouting at a wall.

Seriously, I realized there is no point in complaining here. Either leave these boards alone for those who wish to try to salvage this train wreck, or just reroll a new class like I did to level up. Don’t be too attached to something that’s obviously not working out nor going to be worked out. Hell, I have a near full T3 cultural set on my Nordic ranger that cost me 100+ gold, but I happily left it to level my warrior and elementalist.

Good thing I’ve got my mesmer.

Just going to note here, most classes see Ele as the peak of balance most classes want to become. If you guys are ‘underpowered’, then every other class is absolute garbage.

And not buffing the trait quickness for 5 in BM is hurting even more. Even a .5 to 1 second buff to the duration would have helped the 50% drop in DPS.

RummyTheMad.7290:

Lyndis.2584:

RummyTheMad.7290:

Thanks Chokolata. I just wanted to drop in and let you now that you aren’t alone. I’m very happy with my ranger, and the global changes to quickness (accompanied by the buff to QZ) hasn’t changed a thing.

I’m also an avid GS user, so the buffs there are really nice as well. I’ll miss the pet skill cd on swap, but it’s just something to get used to.

Happy because your GS was pretty much the only thing buffed this patch?

How many weapons can the ranger use again?

Which ones are in sore need of help?

Is greatsword really what Anet should even be looking at?

Try answering those questions and re-evaluate the patch.

I use all of the weapons from time to time, and they are all extremely effective at what they do well. So, to answer your question: all of them are usable, and none are in sore need of help. I just happen to like the GS quite a bit, and it received a buff so I commented on it.

I don’t share your negative attitude, and I’m not trying to convince you to quit whining. Whine all you want. I’m old enough and observant enough that I realize that things change. It’s how you cope with these changes that help to define who you are. You want to waste your time and energy complaining, then please feel free to do so. I certainly will not stand in your way. In the meantime, I’ll do what I’ve been doing the whole time – playing and getting better.

Best of luck to you.

Classy use of the ’I’m older and wiser’ argument chaser, I hope all your arguments with your SO if you ever get one aren’t so terribly made.

RummyTheMad.7290:

Thanks Chokolata. I just wanted to drop in and let you now that you aren’t alone. I’m very happy with my ranger, and the global changes to quickness (accompanied by the buff to QZ) hasn’t changed a thing.

I’m also an avid GS user, so the buffs there are really nice as well. I’ll miss the pet skill cd on swap, but it’s just something to get used to.

Happy because your GS was pretty much the only thing buffed this patch?

How many weapons can the ranger use again?

Which ones are in sore need of help?

Is greatsword really what Anet should even be looking at?

Try answering those questions and re-evaluate the patch.

Chokolata.1870:

you guys seem to just prove my point , that you are too bias to work through all the problems . And no, this is not insulting anyone , this is just an observation . There are things that you simply cannot change . You adapt , one way or the other, by making and tweaking builds or by running another class .

Which is why I’m currently leveling an ele and thinking about a thief. I reccomend everyone to do the same.

I have a near full T3 norn set on my ranger. Biggest mistake of my life and a waste of 100+ gold.

Uh…my time as a full bunker ranger never had ‘extreme physical damage pressure’ at any time whatsoever. My greatsword hit like a wet noodle. People with half a brain learned fast to kill my pet first, which made me effectively damageless and out of options as switching out from a downed pet is a minute long operation.

“There is no class in the game that can stack so many bleeds while chaining evade after evade”

….that’s like saying no one else in this game other than elementalists can use four elements.

“One of the best 1vXers in closed spaces with the trapmaster spec”

Yeah, you know when there’s only one viable build in the cabinet for a 1 v 1 situation, your class is severely kitten

For 4….have you played any of the other classes before?

Your arguments aren’t really arguments, they’re just….observations? It’s like trying to find some good in the Holocaust or WW2, I don’t get the point.

“Name another world event that gave just as much technological innovations as WW2!”

Yeah, we’re just dodging bullets at this point.

I really loved the ranger playstyle, really did. I played all the way from a bunker spirit build all the way to a trapper as well as a glass cannon longbow build. But it’s becoming painfully evident from not only the patch notes, but also the attention given to the ranger class in general, that it’s never really going to be on par with any of the other classes out there. I had hopes for this patch, really did. But the wait is over for me. Just compare the ranger patch notes to something like the engineers – two classes that needed equally the same love, yet it’s extremely obvious who is being completely ignored and who is being fixed.

So it’s time to move on. I’m looking for something that has the feel of a ranger to it, in terms of dueling and ranged DPS. Perhaps a thief for the duelist gameplay? What can match the ranged DPS play of a ranger involving longbow range style gameplay?

Agreed. This should be at least buffed to 2.5 – 3 seconds.

Keiran.1896:

Now you can switch maps without asura portals with the UI. A lot easier!

You could always do that….?

ColinJohanson.2394:

For the next week, all the medium population servers will be free to transfer to. Might be worth giving one of them a look!

Are any of the medium size servers above or at T3?

1-30 is rough. I just used greatsword / sword + torch to get to 40 and just WvW’d and did the storyline with last 40 levels.

EnRohbi.2187:

Lyndis.2584:

Well, now that TSYM is jumping ship as well, this is going to be a trainwreck. :l

Aw, boo
They were a fun target.

Where are TSYM going?

Undecided. They’re currently all off farming gold in order to transfer, so our maps are going to be quite empty.

I’m actually thinking of transferring, but I love my guild too much to do it right now. :x

Unless it’s a 1 v 1 duel, I always have my pet on peaceful, and use it to switch out for quickness, be it in PvP or PvE.

Anyone else do this?

Well, now that TSYM is jumping ship as well, this is going to be a trainwreck. :l

How do I trait? I’m going ATM 10/25/30/0/5.

I have around 1.5k toughness and 1.1k vitality, but I know I can’t rely on that to really survive.

Obviously he’s Jesus. Can’t beat that guy. :/

I’ve wanted to make S/S for mesmer work for a long time and I’ve never been able to…

Anyone have tips on this playstyle? 2 is so potentially strong, but I always find it so hard to hit…