Guild Wars 2

@McFribble: You clearly got no pvp experience….I own a Thief, ranger, warrior, guardian and owned some other classes in the past but I constantly delete characters due to boredom. Now, in your mind, people can get killed by 100b. Fact this can happen, but only against unskilled players. Now let say I see a warrior coming with his huge kitten sword. First thing I see is the warrior turning to the side in bull rush, in case you didn’t notice, warriors got the stupidest and easiest to predict animations in the game. Thus I dodge, he HB the air since most if not all warriors I seen seem to auto hit HB as their activate frenzy. And yeah there he is wasting his utilities and his elite and his one and only good CD in GS. + giving a free +25% damage on his sorry glass kitten . Yum yum.

Now, you bring up banners and not using elites. Thiefs are a class that can almost perma stealth, can blind, can deal heavy damage and can dis engange and re engage as they like with enough escape mechanism to fight in their terms all the time.

Boon stealing, boon conversion and the rest are just flaws created by the game’s lazy style design. Instead of giving each class unique buffs and debuffs. The game offers boons and conditions that are the same for everyone. Now the game was promoted as a no trilogy game, yet the game does own a trilogy of sorts. Classes who got access to protection and heavier heals are tanks while the rest are forced to be glass cannons in other to do anything. This creates a massive unbalance such as the D/D elementalist abomination. Or a Guardian who specs in boon duration + healing making them pretty much Immortal. Now the ability to debuff someone is ok for a class that relays on stealing buffs while dealing little damage and taking medium damage, now if you take the warrior in one hand, we got no escape mechanism, our close up skills are either bugged or simply don’t perform due to lame animations, we got no sustain, no unique boons, our utilities all give boons and that’s it unless you count stances which are either useless or have a super long CD.

Our heals aren’t in par with any other class and our glass cannon build can’t deal damage for kitten outside pve. So the thief a class that was going to be my main at first got it easy, why? Heaviest damage in the game, easy control over the fight, teleport, blind and stealth. Thus, I can ignore damage in better ways than Aegis can, I can l;eave the fight when I want and even during downed state chances are I can drop the warrior move away and take him down before he goes frenzy, if he goes vengeance a stealth at the right time will give you enough time to watch him die seconds after. So yeah, boon stealing is just a joke, specially against warriors.

As for the warrior goes, I pve on mine. WvW I love my ranger, even if pets suck due to bad aI. Spvp I usually log my thief if I want to troll, my guardian if I want to face roll or my ranger if I feel like going Tpvp. So in the case of warriors, if you want to pvp you are better off with anything else lol. Oh I just remembered when game launched and every single thread in this forum was NERF 100B. Then people learn to dodge bull charge or dodge right after the hits start to land and the forums transformed into WHY WARRIOR SUCKS and FIX THE WARRIOR.

The ai of the pets is my only problem with the class.

I use pvt but I’m thinking of shaving some vit for crit damage. I have a mix of accessories at the moment, some are pvt, 1 zerker piece and I forgot the rest. Truth being told warrior is the only class I barely see any difference on when running gear for some reason. Other than with full zerker, I seem to survive just “ok” and deal “ok” damage. But when I play any other class I seem to feel a bigger difference between gears than with my warrior.

If you run along with a zerg hammer with stances and the remove condition signet is the way to go. Along with long bow/shield + anything “sword may be your best bet”. If you run alone around GS/Sword shield and healing shouts.

Nah, I see no point in more gear at the time, maybe someday. For now they should focus on making some actual content.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/abysanian/gw083.jpg

Sort of Assassin’s Creed look, added rox SB and quiver after a while but too lazy to take another screenshot.

Did a build test run in Spvp and kitten this build is hella fun to play, not exactly great at playing it yet and I can already hold myself in 3 v 1 and sometimes 4 v 1 fights without problems! Really great build.

Mind if I ask, with all these healing power items stacking each other, how high is your regeneration via TU and the rest of the skills?

Who cares if Warriors are OP in pve? No one looses anything from that and the warrior’s party enjoys a faster run, win for the party nothing special for the warrior community. Now SPvp, Tpvp and kinda WvW wise warrior got no place at all.

Totally agree with all you said, another thing that needs a kitten redo is the Juggernaut elite… that thing is horrible in every freaking way.

Well at least this makes things “kinda” fresh and if it doesn’t we got that dude’s resume so we can call him and troll our hearts content~

BrimstoneAshe.5043:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

BrimstoneAshe.5043:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Long story short, they’re going to have to buff our traitlines before they can nerf us.

Given ANets history of what they’ve done to Engineers, I wouldn’t be so sure about this statement.

Call me an optimist then :P I am sincerily hoping that by now the ones working on fixing class skills have learned from at least some of their past mistakes.

Plus it’s not like it’s all that overpowered of a build. It heals a lot, but it is worthless in most dungeons and large-scale fights.

ANet’s Engineer Love Given to Rangers:

-Reduced healing of Troll Unguent by 50% and reduced it’s duration from 10 seconds to 5 seconds.
-Reduced the effect of Empathy in the Beastmaster trait line from +1 per trait point to .25 per trait point.
-Increased Spirit buffs from 6 seconds to 8 seconds.
-Reduced cooldown of Spirits from 60 seconds to 45 seconds.

After they patch these changes, you find that any trait even remotely related to Spirits doesn’t work at all. After these changes, the next State of the Game, the devs say they still think pets are too strong and will nerf them again soon.

Sounds legit, specially if you look at the Warrior’s patch notes lol.

Oh I take my words back, really fun fights with EB and a few with AR tonight!

I find it amusing that I come into the forums and see this thread active as hell, with the usual EB zerg, BP sucks, AR wanna fight and that’s it, along with the “We improved from mistakes and my skill lvl is God like” yet I got into WvW and all I see is a ghost town and the random roamer trying to flip camps…

BrimstoneAshe.5043:

Dark Aidget.3879:

Lyonell.1753:

Thorson.9218:

Lyonell.1753:

Score update anyone?
Is the BP/AR alliance still on?

No.

And don’t expect much AR presence in WvW this week. Enjoy the ghost town…..

Can’t enjoy it, the boredom of this match is making me get closer and closer to quit the game again.

Log in > do daily > log out go > go to another game.

What other game? As unexciting as this one has become, everything else bores me to tears. Even my hopes for ESO have been dashed.

Planetside 2 is pretty awesome if you like FPS games. Other than that I’ve just been finally playing some single player games I’ve been putting off for a while now(Tomb Raider, Dishonored, etc).

Will check that out, I love FPS to be honest, about the 3rd on my list of favorite game types…used to be top until CoD destroyed them…

Dark Aidget.3879:

Lyonell.1753:

Thorson.9218:

Lyonell.1753:

Score update anyone?
Is the BP/AR alliance still on?

No.

And don’t expect much AR presence in WvW this week. Enjoy the ghost town…..

Can’t enjoy it, the boredom of this match is making me get closer and closer to quit the game again.

Log in > do daily > log out go > go to another game.

What other game? As unexciting as this one has become, everything else bores me to tears. Even my hopes for ESO have been dashed.

Been going through my library, LoL is what I play most of the time, but also BF3, even Aion like in the old days lol.

Thorson.9218:

Lyonell.1753:

Score update anyone?
Is the BP/AR alliance still on?

No.

And don’t expect much AR presence in WvW this week. Enjoy the ghost town…..

Can’t enjoy it, the boredom of this match is making me get closer and closer to quit the game again.

Log in > do daily > log out go > go to another game.

MrChandMan.8253:

Lyonell.1753:

Down state is garbage, plain and simple, you’re doing your kitten in WvW, random elementalist jumps down, spams all his cool downs you “Down him” he turn into mist runs back into the keep/building lalala self res himself via #4 comes out and do the same again. Now a warrior comes out, he spams his cool downs you “down him” he throws his hammer and get’s killed right after cause there is nothing else he can do.

Thief and warrior fight, thief “downs” warrior and thief got 2%? of his hp left, thief stealths goes behind the warrior and finish him no problem. Same Scenario with warrior downing thief, warrior starts his lame animation, thief downs him due to high down damage warrior goes down, thief continies pressure, warrior res himself, if his frenzy goes off cool down, thief #4 while warrior is having his glorified summon of a lame stick > when he is about to hit thief tele’s behind him, warrior runs to him, he stealths, by the time warrior starts a 3rd attempt his vengance is over he dies anyways and the thief rally :P.

Big keep I down 5 people, they down 1 they focus fire that 1 and all 5 rally bam balance right there. Warrior drops his elite banner rally all 5… downed an elementalist he runs back to his friends for res so on. Mesmers got the worse down state imo. All they can do is clone to die… so yeah. Downed state only makes WvW lame as kitten, is good for pve maybe but pvp and WvW no way in hell.

Nop, the mechanic is bullkitten, I just explained why, if this is the best you can do as a “troll” I feel sorry for you…

Down state is garbage, plain and simple, you’re doing your kitten in WvW, random elementalist jumps down, spams all his cool downs you “Down him” he turn into mist runs back into the keep/building lalala self res himself via #4 comes out and do the same again. Now a warrior comes out, he spams his cool downs you “down him” he throws his hammer and get’s killed right after cause there is nothing else he can do.

Thief and warrior fight, thief “downs” warrior and thief got 2%? of his hp left, thief stealths goes behind the warrior and finish him no problem. Same Scenario with warrior downing thief, warrior starts his lame animation, thief downs him due to high down damage warrior goes down, thief continies pressure, warrior res himself, if his frenzy goes off cool down, thief #4 while warrior is having his glorified summon of a lame stick > when he is about to hit thief tele’s behind him, warrior runs to him, he stealths, by the time warrior starts a 3rd attempt his vengance is over he dies anyways and the thief rally :P.

Big keep I down 5 people, they down 1 they focus fire that 1 and all 5 rally bam balance right there. Warrior drops his elite banner rally all 5… downed an elementalist he runs back to his friends for res so on. Mesmers got the worse down state imo. All they can do is clone to die… so yeah. Downed state only makes WvW lame as kitten, is good for pve maybe but pvp and WvW no way in hell.

Score update anyone?
Is the BP/AR alliance still on?

Syktek.7912:

I got trapped in the keep. I was a scared little charr :<

Wtf people! WvW is about large scales battles with large zergs and about sieging!

If you just want a small scale fight without sieges then go Spvp…

Wonder if the people who suggest this crap even know wtf they saying…specially those talking about removing the AoE Cap…

Imo, gw2 lacks too many things to boost it’s way to the E-sports scenario. Comparing it to LoL which is probably my favorite pvp game of all times, I can tell the many lacks of this game in no time. For one, class balance in Spvp is a joke, many classes got too much under their sleeves while others got between nothing and maybe a little bit of potential that only the most skilled can use to try to make the class useful, even then it still won’t be.

In LoL every champion took practice to master and each of them added high diversity and somehow finding that right mix was just part of the fun. In GW2 I jump on a guardian and feel like a face roller as I’m hard as hell to kill, with simple mechanics and as long as I’m standing no one is taking my point, yet I do the same in a warrior and all I can do is poke people while running for my life since chances are I will barely be able to hit em, will die faster than them and over all I be a waste of team space. So until classes get balanced around to a point where they can compete against one another this ship isn’t sailing anywhere.

Hit detection is also horrible, I use my veins elite while standing really close to an enemy, he doesn’t evade, use stability or any form of stun break and boom he doesn’t even get hit by it, throw bollas with a warrior over a lightly high ground, bolas disappear on the ground CD wasted…so on the list goes.

The ladder boards don’t make me feel like I’m doing any progress. Spvp itself isn’t rewarding at all.

3 points with random mechanics thrown in is lame, people sometimes spend more time destroying the enemy trebuchet than they do capping and defending points, maps are small probably to encourage fighting, but fighting with this class balance is pointless. All in all play a bunker, you will win lol.

Sentinel VX.1392:

Healing surge is already good as it is imo, but mending feels kinda weak.

We need to use it while on max adrenaline to heal as much as a guardian does with healing signet, yet the guardians removes conditions on massive and it scales perfectly with their low hp pool while the survivalbility of the class allows for constant protection, high aegis count along retaliation up time. How is this “our best heal” good in anyway?

Imo, D/D thiefs need their damage turn down a bit, not a huge load but their current damage is absurd even against tanky builds. They aren’t exactly op though, in fact most of them are so bad you see em as a free kill and good ones you see as trolls. Thiefs can be serious trolls, they can be an annoyance for certain classes yes, but most of those classes are classes that need a buff desperately Like warriors for example.

Op stuff out there? D/D elementalist need a serious fix as they have too much everything, but thiefs, nah all they need is a damage tone down in wvw and we good to go. Oh and yes I have a fully geared 80 Thief, no I don’t main him, yes I am rather good at him or so it seems since I constantly exceed in spvp as him and in some tournaments in the way back.

In many cases the L2P applies, in many others is the game mechanics that makes the thief seem OP to X class, then again I main a warrior and everything seems easier with any other class. Hence why I can’t stop playing him!

Wonder wtf they were thinking when they decided to add this…

testpig.5018:

Lyonell.1753:

testpig.5018:

up-transfering is just another form of pay2win.

Or getting out of the hole created by those around you~ This match up just turned boring again…wish my team “Borlis” would gtfo out of the towers and fight…charging out alone is getting old…

doesn’t ebay have an entire guild dedicated to just standing in towers all day? anytime i’m roaming around ebBL, all i see is GH standing in every tower, keep, supply camp in the map.

I’m sorry our server doesn’t have the numbers you do, we all have to defend against your zergs.

I don’t know, nor do I care if they do, that’s their business.
And you do realize we are in the same server right?

testpig.5018:

up-transfering is just another form of pay2win.

Or getting out of the hole created by those around you~ This match up just turned boring again…wish my team “Borlis” would gtfo out of the towers and fight…charging out alone is getting old…

Knighthonor.4061:

Lyonell.1753:

“FIX THIS kitten”: Gives Protection, Regeneration and 1 Stack of Aegis, say for hell 20 secs? Well Aegis will be gone for good once you get hit of course but yeah. Say a 1 and a half minutes cool down?

another Regen tho? man come on,,, they dont stack…

I don’t use regen banners, or signet of heal so for me it will be the only regen I have in my build. The healing shouts is a heal per say not a regen since the last time I check which was about 2 hours ago lol.

“FIX THIS kitten”: Gives Protection, Regeneration and 1 Stack of Aegis, say for hell 20 secs? Well Aegis will be gone for good once you get hit of course but yeah. Say a 1 and a half minutes cool down?

It does look interesting and it might do decently in spvp, but I don’t really see it working in Tpvp, over all I might give it a try when I’m bored enough to go back to spvp and let you know how it went for me.

I can’t give much more feed back cause, for one classes with condition based builds such as necros will put all those conditions you cleansed with your heal right back on you. Axe auto attack hits the hardest but misses the most due to the horrible animation, also with sword you get bleeds, a jump closer skill and the same control from the cripple immobilize.

Bow is great but without sustainable condition damage it really can’t do much if the enemy is smart and dodges your aoe’s which they should if they are in a competitive level, in wvw the bow is a god send though.

I used to run signet of stamina along stances in a sword/warhorn + hammer build and it was quite successful in it’s days lol. And that means when I didn’t find Spvp to a boring version of Call of Duty…and that is saying a lot. “Oh and for the record I know CoD sucks but that’s how bad it is atm.”

Problems with warrior imo:

-Bad or horrible damage in certain weapons vs too much damage in other weapons.
-Counters in weapons have no ranger at all, thus making them useless.
- Bad range in all weapons you can see the person right in front of you and you can’t hit cause they are running from you.
-Lack of real mobility, this creates 1 v 1 situations in wvw to become kitten as the enemy can simply leave you behind before they die.
-Horrible trait positioning and over all, all trait trees are kittened up. Placing points in the precision trait pretty munch forces me to use a sword and go bleeds build for example. +3% on burst damage PLEASE….the burst of many weapons hit lower than the god kitten auto attacks of the mentioned weapon.
-Horrible cool downs on the few good utilities we have…
-Jesus those elites…Signet of rage or nothing since berserk was designed by a 5 years old smoking gasoline fumes and banner = signet of rage with a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG cool down.
-Horrible heals, they are far too low to keep with our hp or with most classes heals and they also do nothing for us.
-Lack of protection or any real damage absorbing skill.
-Again horrible range in most skills.
-Overall designed for a old school mmo not for this type of quick reaction high mobile combat with dodges.

In other words if you put the warrior in any other mmo where people can’t simply dodge your critical abilities “like hammer burst or CC chain, your shield bash ect” we could combo and win with our builds but since this is not the case well yeah.

Also most classes got an ability or 2 that does the same as us, just better…

Faux Sheaux.6179:

No one gives enough credit to the people who hold things down outside of raids. Zerging around as a guild is the smallest part of WvW, and it’s the guys who are working as individuals defending and calling for help during the other 20 hours of the day that really make the difference.

You don’t have to be the greatest skill group in the game to be MVP. The most useful people (at least in my opinion) are those who aren’t being named every other post on the forums. They are the guys who call for help when help is needed. Sure, it’s great to have our guilds who will respond to the call, but if no one breaks the silence, then all the people in the game can’t help out while they are in the wrong place.

That’s the biggest difference between our servers. EBay has more of these dedicated individuals willing to do the dirty work of scouting and defending than either BP or AR does. No amount of trash talking and saying how much the other servers in this match up suck with or without (insert names here) will change that. Big guild raids make the push, but the little guys are the ones holding things down at the end of the day.

You all should be putting more value in the tags you see defending at all hours. The ability to stomp bodies constantly isn’t the only thing that proves a player’s worth.

Totally agree with that…

Great job for EB too, they been making this match quite fun so far!

Bleh looks like 2 pve glass cannons trying to touch each other…

I would cut the damage a bit and make it an Aoe around the warrior, probably spining like some mentioned.

style.6173:

XII.9401:

Daecollo.9578:

MiLkZz.4789:

So, I took the effort to buy a full sentinel set. I was really curious to how much health I could get. First we wanted to reach 35k+, but when I passed that, I wanted to go for the 38k health mark. And I did it!

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/6329/gw144r.jpg
Just wanted to share this epic moment with you guys. The viability of a build like this asside (wont be using it for real ^^). Next stop will be 40k+, I do believe I can brake that one too.

ps.: stats in rampage form: 55.5k health/4k+ armor/2.8k power (no might)

You can be a giant health pool.

That can’t survive as long as other classes..guess this is what the warrior class is reduced to..seeing how high we can jump!

Then you need to learn to play warrior. It has great survivability.

In pve yes…

In pvp our health pool is “large” but nothing most classes can’t keep up with unless you make an hp pool monstrosity like this build. Yet our heals are useless, our best heal heals the same amount as a guardian’s ONLY if we have full adrenaline at the time and don’t remove any conditions, we don’t have enough access to vigor “unless you go warhorn” we don’t get protection or enough retaliation to really make us “absorb” or avoid any damage. No real mobility, hard to stay on target, lack of boons other than might and fury…yeah we don’t even have a unique mechanic as with most weapons burst is useless and the trait line to boost it is kitten “to say the least.”

Expiatus.4210:

Some how this picture just fits……
except maybe he should be coming through a door instead…hmmm.

Hey put some armor on that blonde and it looks like Kalkz character!

Things I can say to this, yes Spv kitten omewhere between garbage and an mmo wanna be version of call of duty, which by all means jumped from being a great franchise to being a money sucker un-competitive, skill less and I dunno how you dare say that game flows well with all the hit detection and other problems that need not to be mentioned.

Ladder boards always been a pain in my opinion, they show close to nothing when you got massive amounts of players and those on top aren’t those who are skilled but those who breath, eat and kitten the game for a life.

I have experienced many E-sports oriented games, I’m kitten good in most of them and I do agree, GW2 is nowhere near E-sport level, in fact is not even close to competitive level or even a decent pvp level but hey the game can improve and become better, sure they seem to only enjoy adding more useless pve content “With some actually nice content every other full moon” but pvp in the game is close to none existent.

I mainly play for WvW now, do some random fights in spvp when I’m feeling bored or what to “try” some mechanics. But they seriously need to fix class balance, progression and rewards. As it is now, spvp accounts for nothing lol.

Agree with everything said here, other change I would add is changing the way commanders obtain their “hat”. Don’t get me wrong, I seen many who hands down make excellent commanders, yet I seen too many who simply use their hat as a troll mechanic to sabotage their own server.

Aeonblade.8709:

What they should really do is leave Guard/Thief/Ele alone and bring other classes up to par with these 3.

That cuts on two ways, the reason those 3 are over the top is because well they are. Thieves access to stealth is too high, now if you make any build other than D/D burst the class is fine. Elementalist got too many cool downs at their disposal to really be called balanced. Guardians are just fail proof in Pvp, I main one at the moment and with some random temple pieces and green crafted accessories I can easily go 1 v 5 and stand there sucking damage and killing until help arrives, if down state didn’t exist this would change quite a lot, I don’t even use a well made build as I barely know the class enough to go into a serious build lol.

Bottom line is aside from elementalist, most of these classes only need minor changes to be balanced in terms of game mechanics. If they reduced the power of protection say to 20% and removed retaliation from the guardian then I’d say the guardian would fine. In fact I would remove retaliation from guardians and give them to the warriors, this would make both classes do their roles and not over power one while making the other well useless.

@Littlefeather: Ranger are fine, almost perfectly balanced, their only real issue is the PET AI not being 100% accurate, other than that I play ranger and destroy people in Spvp and WvW lol. I’m not a glass cannon though. If you make glass cannons able to survive they’ll stop being glass cannons don’t you think?

Daecollo.9578:

Chrispytoast.3698:

So I know Omnomberry Pie used to be OP before the internal cooldown was added and now it is no where near as useful as it was.

What if the Warrior had a trait that gave lets say 33% chance to steal life on critical with no internal cooldown? This would give the Warrior some sustainability but still keep Anet’s theme for the warrior.

Why not “Heal when you gain a strike of adrenaline?” grandmaster trait. Would actually give us a reason to use burst.

They give us this and I will hoop back on warrior right away, probably actually start loving the game again lol.

Also such trait would give warriors some better options for combining armor sets, for example healing power might actually become part of pvp builds in other to gain some sustain.

peter.9024:

It should be like the conjured firesword rush.

That would be beautiful!

Have you try a PVT/Cleric geared condition damage build? There are some options around the forums.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Ranger-PvP-Bunker-Build < this build works quite good, I haven’t used my ranger all that much lately but the main option I would use with berserker gear in case you don’t want to switch is a long bow trait for max range and staying behind the lines as long as possible.

ko killer.3692:

Who says that every server on this Tier hates each other? I’d like to thank the FTF (EB) eXo (Ar) members (Both of which were extremely kind) and I (ORL) sitting around having a nice chat about how each others day of WvW went

Love the second chat tab name.

AR really does bring the best small scale fights and the fact that they don’t give up is admirable. I wish Borlis was more like them lol.

I see not the point on it or on housing as many mentioned, Housing in MMOs is a waste of game space, if I wanted such an experience the Sims franchise offers quite better options on that, as for guild halls, I interact with my guild enough through chat, if they need me for a mission, a fractal/dungeon or wanna roll with me in WvW then they just have to say it, there is no need for a special place to gather or whatever but that’s only my opinion.

marnick.4305:

let me add to that.

If you became wealthy with gem purchases, I take my hat off to you because you support the game.

Personally I only use my gem for gem purchases, but let’s not be hypocrites. This game needs money. Some people are willing to give it through gold purchases. One can only applaud the way it’s implemented without destroying the economy. In the end, someone farmed that money for you.

Just about what I was about to say. I love this game economy as well.

My only complain lies within the fact that money is far more accessible for those who focus in PVE than those who enjoy the other aspects of the game, but hey other than that is quite close to perfect.

You do realize that bleeding is the bread and butter of condition builds damage right? Confusion got nerfed cause it did atrocious damage when over stacked in other words when a group of people stacked confusion on the enemy it was instant death unless you stood still thus you probably die anyways, bleeds you can stack all you want they be removed quickly and overall is the only reason condition builds work.

Poison only halts healing
Chill Halts Cds and movement speed
Burning deal tiny none stack damage

Forget cripple and the rest, you nerf bleeding and all the sword warriors, condition necros and even many of the WvW sieges will have no use at all.

Hum personally I been to almost every tier, T1 may have some better tactics and command but these tactics find themselves working more often due to the opposite side suffering server lag + bad computer lag than you would see if you employed the same tactics in a lower tier. Lower tier don’t mean more skill either, I seen plenty of horrible players in every tier I went, on the other hand I seen some seriously good players on all of them as well.

Yet the current WvW mentality = Bigger zerg = more skill.

Commander = Super skilled player who knows everything.

Pwning in the huge zerg = I pwn.

Getting pwn in said zerg = My people suck, I should go to the enemy side.

When in reality there is a tier for everyone, if you want to feel awesome by being part of a lag fest zerg then go for it, if you want an epic fight between equally competitive player go for it. Most commander are people who pve a lot and thus farmed the gold for the tab of flipped the market enough to get said tab. Some are really good, some are worse than the n00bs that follow them in hopes of easy karma, exp and gold. In the end, you will never find a point of balance as a group of 10 people with tactically placed siege weapons can wipe a group of 60 player who are still building their siege or got no siege at all.

It really depends on what aspect of the game you are focusing. I got an 80 warrior, 80 thief and 80 Guardian. In pve, Warrior out damages all and brings a certain degree of versatility and support to parties. In SPvp you need to be way above average to do good as a warrior, if you are not or simply want to keep a fair fight go with anything else. In Tpvp ignore him and wvw you get hella lot of kills, good cc and good one vs one if you are skilled enough.

Thiefs are damage power house and annoying as hell if played correctly. Now on to the guardian.

I play a rather tanky build, I balanced my stats to have enough power to pack a punch and enough vit/tough to outlast almost everyone except pure bunker builds. I got great access to CC, healing and condition management, you get to pull enemies to you, protect your allies and keep em alive as you go fight through the mobs and enemies in WvW. >_> Oh and dropping people down cliffs when you are downed and they’re trying to stomp you is priceless…

Spvp wise, I can do 10 matches a day and usually the enemy is lucky if they down me more than once, usually I can go through matches without dying at all. This is due to the heavy survivalbility and hidden complexity of the guardian class. Overall I say the guardian is a very solid class, I don’t pve as guardian so no real opinion there lol.