Guild Wars 2

No. Burst is Fine. There are only a few builds which are op.

Offhand Staff – Gandalf like! Or a spear. A spear would be so cool!!!

A shortbow or longbow with illusion arrows.. oh man that would be awesome, too.

Our heal eather fest is buggy, too. I noticed it in some fights after the EotM Patch.

Lol? Look at our broken skills, the most of our ulities are useless. Look at our bugs! No this class is not op. There are just too many people who can’t beat mesmers because they are confused about the illusions
And thats a skill thing. I main Mesmer and if I play my other class i win 7/10 fights again other Mesmers. So your answer is : No.

If you lose against a player which use lots of stealth, fight a lot with him in 1vs1. After a few weeks of playing, you can dodge attack they use in stealth. Stealth is really strong against new players, but if you learn to play your class you will win 8/10 fights again thiefs

No warriors aren’t op. They only have strong builds, but that doesnt mean that warriors are op. Why? Because in the last few months ive never lost against a warrior who plays without condition damage.

If they nerf decoy, blink, DE, weapon staff or mass invis i will leave this game.
Mesmer has so many useless ulities, i cant understand the nerfs in the past.

I guess he doesnt play engi

melodey.4652:

MandJ.8965:

I like downed state in WvW and PvP.

Then you have never fought an outnumbered fight where you downed a large number of enemies only to see their allies hard rezzing them in the middle of the fight. Numbers will always > skill with a downed state in a player vs player environment. It’s broken in many ways, not least of which each class is imbalanced when it comes to the downed state and stomping the downed state. You have three thieves in the group you’re fighting? Forget it, shadow refuges forever/stealth stomp. You have a bunch of eles that you’re trying to kill? No problemmo for them, mistform into that doorway. If you kill a bunch of engis, go ahead and celebrate, there’s diddly squat they can do except pray for a friend and that you aren’t paying attention.

I played with 5 vs 20+ and won.
I like the second ‘chance’ you get in Downstate. I do not often zerging, and i dont play pve. But in Small scale fights i like it.

I like downed state in WvW and PvP.

1) Just what you want to play

2) I dont like bombs so never used this. I use only grenade Kit with Pistol Shield, and it makes a lot of fun. And is still effective.

3) med kit ist good for solo, turret nice for group play. But I use turret for solo because i need the condi remove and f1 and shield 4 is a good kombo.

4) i wait until the other player has no stub breakers. Then supply crate and give him all my grenades.

5) its easy: if you want to say: i am a good engineer, i win because of my skill. Other runes
If you want to say: my build is op, i win because of my build. Perplexity

6) i run rabid and i am happy with it.

7) sorry my internet is bad, i am writting this with my mobile phone ^^

8) thats individual.

Only WvW !!

Reduce the cast time of fleshworm to 1/2 second. Or/And make the 2# from ds like the blink from Mesmer. That would give us the mobility we need.

Bhawb.7408:

GuildWarsPlayer.5608:

I just started a necro so I’m no expert but it seems they are really good at AOE damage.

Not really. Only their actives (Putrid Explosion, Charge, Haunt) deal AoE damage, and Death Nova, otherwise the majority of their damage is single target. They are just really nice for tanking mobs and grouping them for you to AoE with other skills, and the added damage isn’t bad.

But overall they have less AoE than a condition build, although yes more than non-DS (cleave) power builds.

No they are great in making AoE dmg. With epidemic, the ds #4 and the signet of spite (don’t know the right word of the skill in english) you make awesome damage. With another necro, i’m hybrid he full condi, we tried it on an camp. Was in 10 secondes done.

Give necro a Blink like the one from Mesmer, and 1h sword. Then i’ll be happy

SagePoete.3216:

At the moment on Baruch Map…

The Riverstyle !

Hahahaha thats me ^^
The Riverstyler, name of my next character

About bloodlust, will it be removed? Or get changed into magic find?
So many threads, any statemant about that?
Thanks

Downstate is fun! One of the best thing in PvP

And the Post said what? That this will be removed? I hope so because so much people don’t play WvW anymore or left the game of my friendlist. In the WvW Guild I am yesterday in the evening there are 3 people online and they didn’t played WvWvW. Hm, now I am leveling a Necro, when he’s 80 and nothing changed about the orbs, I will leave this game, too.

Stormleaf.1769:

Sarrs.4831:

Stormleaf.1769:

I find it amusing that the game is suddenly shattered for so many over something as insignificant as a 0-150 point increase in stats. I simply can’t believe that people who honestly and legitimately enjoyed the game prior to the buff are unable to logically enjoy it now. It seems far more likely that they’re simply being disingenuous, for effect.

“Insignificant” is not what I would call 4 ascended trinkets’ worth of stats.

Take the inverse of Bloodlust; if the other realms could get a bonus which, upon getting it, would let them go “nope, you’re not allowed to equip any accessories”, would that shed any light on it for you then? Can you understand why they might think that completely invalidates WvW? Because that is 2/3rds of what this system does. It’s even worse than everything else that imbalances WvW because you can’t both have those orb bonuses at the same time; if someone else is eating, you can eat too. If someone else has stacked Guard Killer, you can stack Guard Killer. If you’re outmanned and you want to roam for some fun fights? Enjoy your (even more) uphill battle.

There is a significant difference between a minor, blanket increase in stats and forbidding an enemy from equipping accessories altogether. I understand the spirit of what you meant, but that is a ridiculously silly comparison to make.

The thing is… 150 stat points is, in most cases, insignificant. Assuming you have all the buffs at all times (which has been exceedingly rare so far), you’ll be maybe 5% stronger than your opponent, give or take. If you die to a thief in two backstabs without the buff, you’ll still die in two backstabs. If you kill someone in ten hits without the buff, you might kill them in nine with the buff. In the vast majority of cases, people aren’t winning or losing fights by the margin provided with bloodlust, and that is why it’s insignificant. People just want an excuse for losing.

Regardless of that… So many people in WvW don’t use food or other such bonuses, despite the fact that they can. Plenty still run around in rares or exotics, when others are using ascended. When you encountered such a person prior to this week’s patch, did it completely ruin the game for you? Did you avoid the fight? Did you think “this game sucks, I should quit”? If people never reacted with outrage to those situations, I can’t exactly take it seriously when they scream about this one, considering it’s virtually the same issue.

Sorry but this is bullkitten. 150 Points of every stat, is very high. Yes you can kill people without this buff, but it takes much more time. And when two of these can play their classes, and you have an 1vs2, then good night. You will lose. Without bloodlust buff, you have the chance to win. And that’s why 90% of WvW Players are angry. In the WvW Guild I am, most of then doesn’t go into WvW anymore. Some people left the game. If they change bloodlust into MF or something like that they will return.
I am a 99 % WvW Player who don’t play it anymore, until they change it I won’t go into WvWvW. Maybe I look for another game. And that’s what many other Players do, too.

Bloodlust only destroy WvW

DevonCarver.5370:

Fuzzion.2504:

Regarding the changes

In the positive

1. Roaming has become way more fun
2. Adding stat bonus as a reward is a good step forward
3. Added incentive to WvWvW
4. Use of heights as strategy was factored in during the map design
5. Greatly increased the need for everyone on that particular map to work in unison
6. Surprise tactics by rushing on said occupied point creates anticipatory jitters
7. Some use of water combat is still in-play
8. Felt like I was playing in an entirely new map. It was a good feeling for the stalemate feeling we had in the BL.

In the negative

1. Roaming has become harder for duos or singles
2. Stat Bonus is too much. 25 would be better than 50.
3. Increased Lag reported by all players
4. falling off the map into unintended areas ,i.e. map glitch
5. 3 out of 5 cap points should be increased to 4 out of 5 to balance reward and sacrifice

Overall, I think the WvWvW team are heading in the right direction.

-Fuzz

Fuzz, thanks for the feedback. A couple of responses:
1) The lag is an issue we are aware of and a result of a bug we will fix as soon as possible.
2) Please report any and all places you can fall out of the map or get stuck. We will continue to address those as we can.
3) The buff is something we will continue to think about. There are alternative frameworks for the buff that I think we will at least look into.
4) For now, we will stay with 3/5 because it makes it easier to capture and harder to hold. If it turns out that this doesn’t function the way we intend it to, we will re-evaluate it accordingly.
5) Roaming in the middle is absolutely more difficult, however, travelling the edges of the map shouldn’t have become any more difficult. At least that’s how it played for me yesterday.

Again, thanks for the input, and for playing.

Are you kidding me? Why do you write only in Posts with good feedback? Do you read the other 100 Threads how bad the new WvW stuff is?? 80 % of your WvW Players don’t like that stat boost. Why stat boost? Such an silly idea. I mean, why not loot boost or boost which reduced damage of siege? Or stat boost for Servers as inferiority buff. I can’t understand you. Don’t get me wrong, I liked the work you (Arena Net) did, but in the last three patches you go into the wrong way! Why do you do nothing about the 727493920 Threads oh whinning and the bad review ypu get. Or the good ideas there are?? I don’t understand it. So many good ideas, and then choose stat boost? Lol.
It’s a shame what happened to this great game in the last time. Why can’t you make a new Map without new dumb ideas like stat boost? Hope you get my point, and the point of the other 2748493 threads about this patch. Remove this buff and do something against the lags. Then, all will be happy.
Thanks.

Me too, i will stop playing WvW with this dumb patch.
Thank you Devon, Arena Net, and all other with this idea for destroying WvW.
I will try to have fun with fractals.. but as 100% WvW Player I think I look for another game, don’t know. Hope they change the buff.

Other solution with stat buff: You get the bloodlust buff automatic, as inferior buff! And the buff goes away when more people are on the Map.
Solution without stat boost: holding three of these points will give you more loot. More magic find, more gold, and so on.

First they should balance WvW and don’t make orb buffes or something like that. Than they should nerf thiefes eith perma stealth and nerf the condition damage, not direkt but they can do that condition damage is reduced by thoughness or sometihn like that. Than, they should nerf the gs/mace shield cc build. Longercooldown. After doing that, we can talk about other nerfs

Don’t know, I am only a Sword Shield + Hammer Warrior. Go, ask other classes how does it feels like.

Why should Warrior be op? Ok, the Mace/Shield + GS noob build is too strong, but the other builds? Most of them are easy to kill, but good Players who can play a Warrior are nice fights. Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose. Only GS Warrior can escape, bersercer stance is a nice skill, but not op, and healing signet is well balanced. I don’t see the Problem.

I only talk about WvWvW.

Please notice one thing: You can only escape with GS.

Aphix.9846:

For wvw zerging and whatnot 3.5 and 3.7k is way too much lol, a waste….

Might sound a bit harsh but too much defensive stats can be used to compensate for the lack of skill…

~3k is the sweetpoint for armor on heavy class.

I run 3k armor with 26k hp and healing signet, shouts, balanced stance, banner.
0/0/20/30/20 with 45% crit chance with fury, 55% crit dmg, big deeps and amazing survivability.

Why do you think 3,7k is too much?

Nime.2089:

Victory.2879:

I can’t think of any other game that has gone from ‘we won’t make this a grind fest’ to the complete opposite in a year.

The chances of getting an ascended drop in wvw is an easy question to answer- less likely than winning the lottery when you don’t buy a ticket for it.

Chances of being able to equip more than one toon with ascended gears and trinkets including armor and the multitude of weapons you need to run wvw builds, none.

Time it will take you if you decide to pve the necessary items and spend all day looking for ori nodes then level your crafting ON EACH TOON – years.

Well done Anet, congratulations on being the MMO that broke the rules…..

That is the answer I feared will be correct. I was hoping that the statements Anet has made multiple times, that they will not introduce superior gear only a few can access with unreasonable effort, were still true… Obviously they have changed their minds.

As company you can’t change your mind when you sell a product and tout with one thing. ANet is a lier :P now we must live with that, that every statemant from anet could be a lie

Bullk.5836:

the only real changes hammer needs is 4 needs to be castable on the move and 5 either needs to be aoe or the cd reduced, other then that I think everything else works well.

sometimes earthshaker bugs on terrain but it’s manageable

4 need to be castable by moving. 5 shouldn’t be an aoe.

Ehhhm. Hmmmm. Maybe… but,

No.

My warrior has 3,7k armor and 22k hp WITH buffood. I am running with hammer/gs, in zergs with sword/shield and hammer. In both situations, zerg and 1vs1 /1vs2 i survive pretty and can kill them. Sometimes, against bunker or something like that it is a drawn.

jaykayy.6873:

This class needs BUFFS not NERFS. How many top players do you see running warriors?

How does a class go from zero to hero because of ONE extra second of stun on mace and higher passive heal that not everyone even uses.

I mean how do you NOT counter one. MS/GS? He is OBVIOUSLY going to be constantly trying to set up his 100 blades. You have stun breaks….use them when he uses 100blades,dont use it when he shield bashes you and follows it up with auto attack. You guys do know that shield bash and mace auto attack will deal all of 5 damage right? Wait what? You have no stun breaks? Why are you 1v1ing a STUNto100blades warrior without stun breaks? Oh your not specced to counter a warrior because it’s tpvp? Then what are your teammates doing while the warrior is doing a 1hour dance recital in your face….rooted? No one wants to interrupt him? Then your team is bad.

Even then….EVEN THEN, you can not be “locked” and die without being able to use a single skill. There are small breaks in between for you to counter/escape. After the mace stun, it takes another almost8 seconds to use again. Let’s say you eat the 100blades, you have a 4 second window before the only cc skill he has available to him now is…well available, oh and did I mention that that stun skill he has is also the hardest to land? It doesn’t lock nor have range.

Anything that is NOT GS lacks burst and you can afford to be “locked” and still win. Tpvp? One word…Teammates.

Don’t get me wrong, stunnlock build isn’t bad, but if it were truly op why wouldn’t the top tier teams ALL be running them? In fact none to one are.

This class needs BUFFS not NERFS. If you takeaway the only potentially viable build they have, you truly are making this class worthless. Why nerf a class that’s already on the bottom of the food chain?

Note: I mained a ranger and main a mesmer right now.

I agree with you that Warriors need a buff, because Warriors aren’t Op and the most of them are freekills when I play with Mesmer or Engineer. Don’t undsrstand me wrong, they aren’t Underpowered. When you can play warrior, Warrior is a big deal to kill. But that like all other professions.
Warrior Mace/gs build is op, not warriors themselves. Mace/gs build can play every noob, and every noobcan kill you with it. Because if you have no stunbreaker or cannot evade, you get the 100b. So, if you fight a 1vs2 you will lose. Thats the problem. And thats why this BUILD needs a nerf. Not warrior.

Some Builds with Thief are OP too, but thats another topic.
I play Mesmer, Engineer and Warrior. Warrior isn’t OP.
But the mace/gs build is it. If you don’t have an Stun breaker anymore, and I run with 3,7k armor as Warrior, than you loose the half of your HP. Maybe more.

Hm. Grind Wars 2

No reaction? No answer? Come on ANet one answer!

Sylv.5324:

If by ‘most’ you mean ‘a tiny portion of disgruntled folks on the forums’, sure.

Yes, most of them in english and German Forum. And Guys which don’t read the forum.
By the way? What the hell is wrong with you? Please don’t read my Thread lol

Nurgle.6597:

screw it, i’m done with gw2 at least for now. This latest farming patch game me so much gold that i bought everything i ever wanted in the game, and now it’s just pointless, no reason to play it anymore and there’s no way in hell that i’m crafting a stupid ascended weapon, the fact that they put a freaking cooldown on crafting is pathetic, a shameful way to artificially increase the time you need to craft one.

Yes! This! Nice Arena Net, you destroy GW2 for the most Player of this game. I guess the most of us go to WoW f2p, or Elder Scrolls online. Really sadthhat it turns this way.

But one thing did ANet which is nice. Better new crafting cap, than new level cap.

Sylv.5324:

MandJ.8965:

If two Guyd fight against, both are good Players. One use full exotic, one use full ascended gear. The ascended gear guy will win. And Guild Wars 2 said, you will win with skill, not gear. So now I -> must <- grind to get this stuff, to have no disadvantage.

Or you can get slightly better and neutralise his slight advantage— not that WvW is often 1v1 anyway. People always come up with this scenario (most who don’t WvW), but that is one of the rarest scenarios in WvW.

It’s difficult to just walk up and faceroll someone just because of a slight stat advantage. If you kite, fight intelligently, learn the enemy’s moves, and are patient, you can beat just about anyone.

He can’t kill you if he can’t really touch you.

Yes, if the other Player is a noob. But what if when a skilled Player fight against you? With this disadvantage you will lose.

SplendidDust of AncientSuns.8453:

xephire.8324:

SplendidDust of AncientSuns.8453:

I tear up people in wvw who are undoubtedly geared with ascended trinkets and full exo when I’m in my under leveled char. Ascended trinkets aren’t going to break anything. Period. Skill determines the outcome, not the gear. I can’t believe the outrage people are in over this.

No matter how you rationalize it, all you whiners and wannabe developers will never get everything you want. Don’t like it? Go play something else. If you’re gonna stay than kitten up.

Post a video of you tearing up a fully geared and lvled guy on forum with normal white gear then i believe you.

He’s level 67 and no he’s not in white gear. My point being, Ascended gear with 10% better stats isn’t going to break the game or set the skill bar any higher. It’s based on player knowledge, skill and experience.

And no, I’m not making a video to prove it.

Hahaha. Do you want to make a battle? You with yellow gear and i am full exotic? Winner gets 500 gold.
When two guys fight against, one in full Ascended gear one in full exotic and both have the same skill, same class and so on, the full exotic will lose.

But you must notice that WoW is goingt to be f2play, tes:o comes out.
An itemspiral and maybe levelcap does not save them for loosing players.
It HELPS to lose players, because GW2 becomes like any other MMO..

Berelious.3290:

MandJ.8965:

Berelious.3290:

MandJ.8965:

Berelious.3290:

MandJ.8965:

No Reaction from mods or something like that? Really sad..

Why should the staff respond to such a childish thread? It’s more people bashing gear with useless statistics and empty predictions. Most of these arguments had no traction when ascended trinkets came out and they have even less now. If you want the gear, great, go and work for it. If you don’t want it, then don’t bother with it. Ultimately it’s players choice and all the math in the world makes not a difference.

Are you kidding me? All arguments are right, if you read the thread you would know. and that ANet lies in advertisment is a shame! A company works for money, so they work for their customers! But what does ANet do for their ‘fans’ ?
So you think that this disadvantage is nothing? Lol ..

Oh I’ve been reading the thread and I’ve been laughing my head off the whole time that people can be that jaded. What people have been stating has been nothing but opinion and conjecture. It is my opinion that ANet has kept their promises, though perhaps not to the letter. The “Manifesto” is like the Pirate Code, more a set of guidelines than actual rules. And as for the math, well, there’s one huge variable that you can never take into account, and that’s how good the player is behind the keyboard. So please, accept the inevitable, and rub some bacon on it.

Hahahah. No, NOW you have an disadvantage if you have not this new gear. With bufffood and so on this disadvantage is big. So lets met in WvW and you wear yellow gear and I exotic. Winner gets 500g.
The point is that ANet said, if you don’t play one or two years, you have NO disadvantage.
But now you have this.
It’s nice that you are happy about this, but the most of the players aren’t it. Grinding, itemspiral and so on,GW22 goes the wrong way. And thats sad because it has so much potencial.

And here you see the unknown factor I spoke of. Let me point out three things you don’t know. 1. Why would I wear rare gear when I have a perfectly good set of exotic? 2. Why would I play WvW when I absolutely hate it? I’m sorry, but a duel isn’t a good enough reason. 3. How would you know me when you saw me? And why would I point myself out to you knowing you were gunning for me? As I said, the human factor is a variable that can’t be calculated. Besides, WvW is siege warfare, which is won in groups. Toodles!

And i hate PvE but I never cried that ANet nothin do for WvW. But that’s too much in my opinion.
Yes, but you think an exotic gear team against an ascended gear team with same manpower and same skills can win? No, they can’t.

Berelious.3290:

MandJ.8965:

Berelious.3290:

MandJ.8965:

No Reaction from mods or something like that? Really sad..

Why should the staff respond to such a childish thread? It’s more people bashing gear with useless statistics and empty predictions. Most of these arguments had no traction when ascended trinkets came out and they have even less now. If you want the gear, great, go and work for it. If you don’t want it, then don’t bother with it. Ultimately it’s players choice and all the math in the world makes not a difference.

Are you kidding me? All arguments are right, if you read the thread you would know. and that ANet lies in advertisment is a shame! A company works for money, so they work for their customers! But what does ANet do for their ‘fans’ ?
So you think that this disadvantage is nothing? Lol ..

Oh I’ve been reading the thread and I’ve been laughing my head off the whole time that people can be that jaded. What people have been stating has been nothing but opinion and conjecture. It is my opinion that ANet has kept their promises, though perhaps not to the letter. The “Manifesto” is like the Pirate Code, more a set of guidelines than actual rules. And as for the math, well, there’s one huge variable that you can never take into account, and that’s how good the player is behind the keyboard. So please, accept the inevitable, and rub some bacon on it.

Hahahah. No, NOW you have an disadvantage if you have not this new gear. With bufffood and so on this disadvantage is big. So lets met in WvW and you wear yellow gear and I exotic. Winner gets 500g.
The point is that ANet said, if you don’t play one or two years, you have NO disadvantage.
But now you have this.
It’s nice that you are happy about this, but the most of the players aren’t it. Grinding, itemspiral and so on,GW22 goes the wrong way. And thats sad because it has so much potencial.

Berelious.3290:

MandJ.8965:

No Reaction from mods or something like that? Really sad..

Why should the staff respond to such a childish thread? It’s more people bashing gear with useless statistics and empty predictions. Most of these arguments had no traction when ascended trinkets came out and they have even less now. If you want the gear, great, go and work for it. If you don’t want it, then don’t bother with it. Ultimately it’s players choice and all the math in the world makes not a difference.

Are you kidding me? All arguments are right, if you read the thread you would know. and that ANet lies in advertisment is a shame! A company works for money, so they work for their customers! But what does ANet do for their ‘fans’ ?
So you think that this disadvantage is nothing? Lol ..

No Reaction from mods or something like that? Really sad..

It would better if all stat are the same! And Ascended Weapons gets infusions, exotic gets sgills and legendarys become..something else but all stats are the same. Ascended trinkets okay, but no ascended gear. THAT would be the right way! That and nothing else, in my opinion.

Blix.8021:

Yeah, anet will just abandon plans they’ve had for months because you made a thread on the forums. Brilliant plan

No not because I made a thread. Because many Players will leave the game with this itemspiral. And what is a game wihout Players?

butch.8136:

MandJ.8965:

butch.8136:

We had this QQ back in november. Since then we knew this was coming. We’re getting one tier which is ascended. If they announce another higher tier then you can QQ all you want.

First Legendary, now ascended.
First Jewels, now weapons, later gear.
Like a new tier. You see the point?

So many guys are against this, and ANet do nothing for that! Why do you ignore us, Arena Net?

K, you rather have them add in one go then? Sjeez, you get my point (I hope). After the armor it should be done, if not then we can all complain. They add it slowly, because they don’t want to overwelm people.

Yes i get. But now my point: I must !grind! It for three classes, for different builds. But i have no time to do this. Because when I want to play, I want to play. Not ‘work’ to have no disadvantage. And arena net tout wiht this. And it was a lie what they said. And that makes me, and many others angry. You have now an disadvantage without it.

Hey guys.
Many of you (some not) but I think the most are against the ascended weapons, gear and so on. Here you can give your sign, who know, maybe anet will stop with this itemspiral.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Please-do-not-destroy-this-game/first