Guild Wars 2

bluesnacks.2301:

TL;DR: Generic Ranger post. Mr. Peters straight up lied in both his posts yo, ranger community is overreacting.

I do in fact have suspicions that Mr. Peters is a novice in public relations and balancing in that he buffs the class he plays (warrior) for obvious favor reasons.

He has not shown any evidence to the contrary, and he has lied at this point. Even if he meant it with well intentions when he first mentioned the post for rangers it has escalated to this point without so much as a whisper from him. This disaster could have been mostly avoided if he only put up a one sentence post with explanations.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure he’s a nice guy. Seems cool enough. I would prefer not to judge but based on what he’s shown so far it’s not looking that great. AN also probably forces him to post things anyways just to say “we keep contact with our players.” In this instance he’s the target of all the anger Rangers have and he probably doesn’t want to even post. I doubt he would even want to log onto the game at this point and listen to this storm.

It’s just that if he was experienced he should know never to promise things he can’t deliver (at least not give a concrete time). The team should also not be spending time on incredibly stupid changes to classes, which is what these were. Incredibly stupid changes, which to me screams incompetence and focus on your precious favorite class that you play. You could not deliver a single major update that you yourself have said we needed, even though you also said we are a class that needs serious help. Warriors do not need serious help. This logically tells us you’ve not been working on them because we have not heard of anything from you about progress. It has been months and there is nothing to show for it except what appears to be hastily scrambled fixes near deadline to appear like you’ve done something. Mr. Peters, you’re not fooling anyone right now. These changes were not justified as what you claimed.

Also, Rangers, stop saying the word nerf. You sound dumb. We’re the same as we were before the patch plus a little stronger, only in terrible areas. It’s likely we received the underwater update because a lot of this upcoming event is underwater where we need a spear gun and an eye-patch. Also, I’d hate to be this guy, but it’s just a game and Mr. Peters is just doing his job. It’s not worth turning someone into a forum pariah. It’ll be fixed eventually, or the company will crash and burn.

If anything, you should probably thank the team that designed this event because they kicked the balancing team into a mad scramble to, god forbid, actually do their job and make things better for us in a certain area.

I agree. The patch does fix, in fact, none of the outlined problems. A feeling that is working on balancing all but ranger. I think if been said that the fix for the rangers are not ready and will put in the next patch – would be less resentment from the community.

Craiger.8579:

So I guess that’s it for me…………… I got bored with this game some weeks back, but hoped that this patch would help somewhat, but it only made it worse……

We got a patch that added bad things (don’t need to tell you what), and then I at least hoped my Necro would be buffed enough for me to care about the game, and test the new patch……. But no they didn’t do anything, Necro are still boring and bad…..

10% increased dmg on Axe #2…. That’s it for Axe ?

Well bye everyone !

Bye bye

Guys, am I glitch or CD of spectral armor and walk were much less? Now it’s 90 and 60s. Can not remember x_x

Certainly wonderful that they are planning further improvements. But … Seriously, what the hell is the main work of ALL but the most useless and broken profession in the game? John has promised a lot of improvements, but no improvement of anything that would matter. Underwater buff looks like a pathetic excuse to get rid of our complaints.

Animation really good. However, it seems to me a little edgy. “Ragged”. I would like to ask the developers to make it a little smoother

Pet holds aggro much better. Bow seem less misses….

Uh! They changed GS animation of norn females… Again =_=

All got ready procreate the “WTF” posts……….

I’m afraid that if the rangers do not see fixes in this time too – they will gobble John with giblets. :’(

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand……………. BACH! No changes to rangers. I think so )

Aaaah… 0kb/s!! D={ To endure no power!

Sleepy.2647:

MeGaZlo.9516:

What pet do you prefer?

I prefer the real stadistic, not the fake one. Make a real one, then we will talk about numbers, so far all the “maths” and “calculations” posted were total aberrations.

“Real” – is the one that does not contradict your words? It does not exist. I’m sorry.

Sleepy.2647:

I had in mind that AS had 35 secs cooldown, so yeah you are probably right about that one (i don’t know if there is any trait that actually lowers signets CD for thief).

You don’t do unload every 1.5 seconds because that’s only the casting time. In 45 seconds you won’t use 30 unloads even if you had enough points to spam it, so what is the comparison for other than trolling? It’s just a screenshot about burst, not DPS, no maths involved about DPS.

I already posted a screen about the bleed damage, with 100 condition damage and 7 might stacks it hits for 60, you had 5 stacks hitting for 65. And the screenshot you just posted shows that your ranger wasn’t berseker glass cannon but some sort of weird build with berseker gear (some, since the HP is confusing) and nature/wilderness traits? 16k+ HP, probably well over 20 points into wilderness as well.

There is no manipulation, as i said the first time, the screenshot spoke by itself. If you had a proper berseker build you could have boosted the DPS, not the damage, by 500-1k easily, and including at least a low DD pet to balance even more the result. It’s unrealistic that ranger won’t use the pet because 95% of the times pets do damage…be it a tanky pet, a ranged pet or a DD pet, more or less damage but they are there in the majority of fights.

You just find fault with insignificant details. Even if we suppose that he is spamming unload for 8000 every 2 sec, and the ranger makes 3 shots per second, we find that 120,000 damage with anload for 30 sec, and 60,000 with ranger’s autoattacks. Yes, the numbers far-fetched. But you realize that 120.000>60.000, right? What pet do you prefer?

I think it is useless to prove anything to him, until he tries himself and satisfied. People who dispute with the facts, usually dispute only for the dispute.

Sleepy.2647:

MeGaZlo.9516:

Hah. If YOU actually played ranger (which i doubt), you would know that ranger HASN’T better bursts than shortbow autoattack+QZ.

It’s obvious you are trolling, you probably don’t have a single level 80 but oh, well…

It’s sad that people is stuck thinking shortbow + QZ does the biggest DPS, it “maybe”, just “maybe” did before the QZ nerf, but now it’s quite pointless to use QZ (quickness in general) with shortbow.

You catch me! I was wrong! Now rangers have not burst at all. You’re right. I bark up the wrong tree. I am in tears. You win.

Seriously. Do you really believe that the ranger can overdamage… anyone? Do you have someone other than ranger?

Maxzero.4032:

But the thing is you are wrong. A Thief can burst better. That’s about it. If you are trying to say the Thief has better sustained DPS then a Ranger (especially once you head into 15-20s and over) then you frankly have no idea what you are talking about.

I believe he can. Especially if you experiment with trickery line. Not the best, but certainly better than the ranger. In any case, untill there is no damagemeters dps can be found only by adding 100,500 numbers from combat log. And I’m too lazy to do that.

Sleepy.2647:

MeGaZlo.9516:

Take it easy. If you understand something in the calculation of damage, you would know such a thing as a cycle and rotation. Ranger have not got it. He has only one ability. Thief with guns holding permanent 10% vulnerabiliti (causing it with abilities with 2k damage) nearly every ~10 sec deals 5-8k damage in 1.3/4 sec. And only between these use autoattack. Ranger spam only “one”. So from here, the double difference.

If you actually played ranger (which i doubt), you would know that ranger has better bursts than shortbow autoattack. If you combine shortbow with other weapons like sword or longbow your DPS will be MUCH higher in PvE.
However, if thief uses all the initiative points with the first weapon, you can’t switch and use again your burst…so what can a thief spam exactly? The biggest DPS source thief has in PvE is s/p to begin with, and you certainly can’t use glass cannon build for that.

Keep your theorycrafting, but it won’t become real. I’m starting to doubt you have all classes at 80 as you claim (maybe in WvW).

Hah. If YOU actually played ranger (which i doubt), you would know that ranger HASN’T better bursts than shortbow autoattack+QZ. And thief can overdamage any ranger’s “burst” with banal dagger autoattack (~about three times)

Maxzero.4032:

Don’t be too hard on him. He is not the first person to look at a Rogue talents and say “OMG so powerful!”

It’s only when you actually play a Rogue for sometime that you realize how limiting Initiative and cool downs between ability uses is.

I’m just trying to explain from where the thief have twice more damage than the ranger, to the man who calculates the damage from assassination time of mobs dying from five hits.
I myself prefer the necromancer. Or engineer.

Sleepy.2647:

MeGaZlo.9516:

You trying to deny the obvious, explaining that with your sense of time?
A fact is a fact. By the way, do not forget to consider the fact that the shortbow – the most powerful ranger weapon. But thief’s weapons… well… all good.

Yes, i’m trying to deny the obvious, that your DPS test only exist in your imagination, as i said in theory that might work wonders.

And it’s sad that you think the biggest DPS/burst ranger has is shortbow, that’s probably why you hate ranger so much.

On a side note, i didn’t imagine these 5-8 seconds, i actually timed it with a chronometer. But hey, i guess people should be really happy with your thief since you can use two skills and autoattacks at the same time…seems scary…

Take it easy. If you understand something in the calculation of damage, you would know such a thing as a cycle and rotation. Ranger have not got it. He has only one ability. Thief with guns holding permanent 10% vulner (causing it with abilities with 2k damage) nearly every ~10 sec deals 5-8k damage in 1.3/4 sec. And only between these use autoattack. Ranger spam only “one”. So from here, the double difference.

Sleepy.2647:

So, with that “DPS” calculation, i should kill 2 golems from the mist with a thief by the time i kill just one with my ranger…huh?

Fact is it takes 5-8 seconds with ranger, and 5-8 seconds with thief to kill a single golem, if thief had twice the DPS then it should kill them twice as fast and that’s even giving thief the advantage of using 2 reload per golem which in reality canno’t be spammed.

I did this by using 2-3 reload per golem (in reality you can’t spam it) and also mixing autoattacks + reload. And also did it with the ranger using one of the worst DD pets, to make it more “realistic”, pet used was devourer. Guess what happens when you put into account a DD pet…these golems die in less than 5 seconds, not even gonna mention that you can take advantage of other skills to boost damage and thief also can do this.

So…where do these test come from? You just made the worst DPS calculation ever, you include autoattacks + skills DPS at the same time which is NOT POSSIBLE at all, there are downtimes where if you use one thing you won’t use the other, and animation casts are longer than skill cast time cutting it even more.
Even if a skill casts in 1 second, you won’t use 60 skills per minute…

So yeah, thief DOESN’T do twice the DPS and in fact they do way less DPS than rangers when we are capable of keeping our DD pet alive…which is not rare at all except for a few situations where the pet gets insta killed.

You trying to deny the obvious, explaining that with your sense of time?
A fact is a fact. By the way, do not forget to consider the fact that the shortbow – the most powerful ranger weapon. But thief’s weapons… well… all good.

Division.9618:

MeGaZlo.9516:

Proved by logic and elementary mathematics. You fierce hater of thieves? A thief with 2 pistols have autoattack for 1.5K with 100% bleed (not only from back). Speed ??1/2 sec (2 per sec). Total 3k per second. "2"ability with 2k crit plus 5 stacks vulner (can do 22 per minute). “3” with 5000-8000 damage ( can spam 14 times per minute.)
Total max damage to consider:
1 – 90000p/m = 1500dps
2 – 44000p/m = 733dps
3 – 112000p/m = 1866dps

And ranger can’t do more than 1.1k damage with any shortbow ability. So count. Speed nearly same.

Nope. You made some mistakes.

First of all a thief pistol doesn’t fire that fast. that 1/2 second is the casting time, and there’s a delay between casts. In a quick test my pistol fired 35 times in 30 seconds, meaning attack speed is .857 seconds, compared with the ranger shortbows .52 seconds (fired 57 times in 30 seconds).

Second of all where did you get that 1.5k damage? In the mists with all power gear, berserker amulet, the 5% pistol damage trait, and the superior sigil of force, i could only hit the lightest golem for 550 damage with 1.1k crit, even with the 5 stacks of vuln. With the same setup on my ranger, i did 450 damage and about 900 crit.

Third, and i may have misread your post, but you did factor in that when you’re using one skill you can’t use others right? and that initiative exists?

From my tests with a combination of pistol autoattack and unload, p/p does about 12% more DPS than shortbow autoattack. This means that p/p pistols need a damage boost. Why? If pets worked properly, and they actually dealt 45% of our main damage like the devs said, that means we would do 2x the damage of a p/p thief working as hard as he can.

Wrong build mb?
try 15 30 0 0 25

Sleepy.2647:

Sdric.8526:

With pistols they have a DPS more than twice as high as a Shortbow can deal which was already stated and proved in several other posts within this topic.

Proved by who? By two screenshots comparing two chars with not the stated gear/traits one using autoattack and the other one using two skills or by theorycrafting “DPS” where downtimes are not added into the calculation? DPS is harder to calculate than that.

Since thief is so great having such an insane amount of damage and survivality, we should move this conversation to the thief forum, i’m sure they will agree with it and would probably make them stop asking for PvE buffs.

In fact, since they do more than twice the DPS we do (meaning they do more DPS than many other classes) we should make a petition to improve rangers DPS by 100%…let’s send them this petition, it would make me happy to have ranger damage increased by 100%.

Proved by logic and elementary mathematics. You fierce hater of thieves? A thief with 2 pistols have autoattack for 1.5K with 100% bleed (not only from back). Speed ??1/2 sec (2 per sec). Total 3k per second. "2"ability with 2k crit plus 5 stacks vulner (can do 22 per minute). “3” with 5000-8000 damage ( can spam 14 times per minute.)
Total max damage to consider:
1 – 90000p/m = 1500dps
2 – 44000p/m = 733dps
3 – 112000p/m = 1866dps

And ranger can’t do more than 1.1k damage with any shortbow ability. So count. Speed nearly same.

Snafoo.2869:

Thorquist.8126:

My bet is that we, rangers, are punished because of bots and that’s the main reason why people hate this class now.

As I understand it it’s mostly a legacy of early Beta stages when rangers (especially longbow at max range) did fairly great damage, coupled with combo fields they were apparently seeing whole groups of rangers just standing at max range pew pew’ing with a few others thrown in for the odd combo field back then (in W3 tests anyhow).

I suppose seeing the whole flashy, complex combat system reduced to a max range pew pew spam-fest led to some serious nerfing.

It’s always difficult balancing ranged damage though, ‘cause the risk is lower so should the reward be.
What surprises me is that I don’t see more complaints about the ranger’s melee options tbh, because that’s where you really got hosed imo (not just weapons, but synergy with traits and utilities as well).

Because melee is so bad that people have forgotten that it ever is.

Sleepy.2647:

Jay.3284:

@Sleepy

Thieves bring much more to a dungeon than Rangers…

For example….? I can only think about stealth and getting a single mob from a pack sometimes.

Thief in dungeons is like ranger’s pets, in theory they are awesome, in reality…not so much.

It’s a matter of taste bringing a class over another one.

Perfect damage, mass poison buffs, perma-blind controll, sword-pistol ever-evade tanking… Well… many different interesting things.

Seras.5702:

PvE means Player vs Environment…there is no sPvE…you’re thinking of sPvP.

I said pets lend utility that other classes would love, not that our utilities are great. Our utilities are generally rubbish (I even mentioned spirits & signets being awful). But our pets are versatile and we can have 2 at a time. That’s nice.

There are things like farming in Orr and there are things like dungeons. Different things. Solo and group. solo PvE and group PvE.

Our pets, in fact, uncomfortable replacing things like 6000K crit with toolbelt skill, of 12% damage/crit from adrenaline and the ability with 21.000 crit. This is about the same damage, but it as though separated and running next to you. Yes, he can tank (but you must agree, pretty bad most of times), it is a plus. But for this we donate ~40% of our own damage. Fair?

Sleepy.2647:

MeGaZlo.9516:

In the dungeons ranger just worst class of all

Thief wins that place by far to any other class. People already got it, you hate ranger completely.

@Krojack
These numbers are sort of accurate, except RF, it changes a lot depending on how many crits you actually get, but on average yeh 4-6k is about right.
The damage i was talking about was from the Mad King boss which had extremelly low defense, it was quite normal to see RF do above 10-12k on that boss.

Thief can offer to the group a very good damage, the use of poisons for the allies, the stealth to avoid unwanted pacs and easily raise downed players. And also a very good opportunity to keep the target in constant blind… kind of tanking. And what ranger can offer?

If you doubt the damage – it is easy to solve. Calculate damage each ability thief and hunter per minute (imagine that all critical or not critical). Done same to pet. And compare the numbers. For example, if a thief in 1.5 seconds does 6500 damage auto attack dagger, and a ranger for a two-handed sword 3900 per two seconds, plus pet 1500 per 2 seconds. Altogether it is a 260.000 per min by dagger thief and 162.000 by GS ranger plus pet.
4333.3 dps thief and 2700 ranger. feel the difference? Repeat with other abilities. Timed how many you can use per minute. And so on.
By the way, I forgot to count poison from thief’s AA. That plus ~6000 for a minute.

krojack.4920:

Sleepy.2647:

I’ve already posted about your screenshots Sdric, they are ridiculous and funny because there is no way that ranger has full berseker and power/crit traits (you said it was full berseker on the original thread) as i was doing crits on that boss for 1.5k+ (1.7-1.9k if i’m not wrong when having 20-25 sigil stacks) unbuffed, and the pet never died on that boss and hits much harder.

I have full berserker’s and this is about what I get

Shortbow: 1 – 1.5k crits
Longbow: 1.8 – 2.4k crits. ~4 – 6k from Rapid Fire assuming all shots hit which most if the time isn’t the case.

Pet wise I use the Jaguar as DPS. When it’s alive and gets attacks off it lands crits in the range of 1.5 – 2k.

In WvW/PvP take these values and cut them in half. This is due to half your shots not even hitting targets thanks to the obstructed bug. Pets are useless because anyone that knows how to fight a ranger just keeps moving which means the pet can never hit them.

Take it easy. Let’s look at the engineer – a class with 30 points of fixes.
Melee damage in Tank(!) build of about 2000-2000-4000K auto attack, 4k with 3 +confusion (about 1k damage on skill use). Ranger with gs in GLASS build is about 1200-1200-1400 and 2k with 2. Have longer def CD then engineer.

Grenades (I compare them with the longbow because of the possibility to miss (but that’s up to you and not the mechanics). Initial distance attack 1500. Throws for 3 grenades. Causes each to 1000-1300 (depending on abillity) critical damage (3000-4000aoe dmg). Puts bleed and invul x3-5. Ability of tool belt causes about 6-8k critical hit damage with a huge radius (+1500 chain aoe with some trait).

Rifle. 2k crit damage from 1 (3/4 speed). In the melee – damage with three 4.2-4.5k + 5 bleed. 5 ability – about 8-9k AoE damage. All instant, all have chanse to set blind, bleed, burn.

Flamethrower. 3k damage over 2 seconds, perma burn (500 damage even without cond-d equip). About 7k damage with 2. Perma +200 thougness and 5-8 perma might.

3.5k aoe bombs 1/2 sec, 100500 immobil, bleeding, burn, blind, invul, lots of buffs, great opportunities of support, cond removal, healing and so on…
And this class has twice as many fixes than ranger. You know. In what sense then compare ranger with the thief, whose damage and mobility even more.

Simply put, the most clumsy class in the game has double the damage, up to 100 times more support and mobility than the ranger. There is reason to think…

Screenshot.

Seras.5702:

Firstly, the Ranger is a great class. In PvE it’s a monster that can down monsters well above its level. And pets lend a level of tanking & utility that some classes dream of.

BUT…its bow mechanics are boring, auto-attack being the best damage skill. LB is really slow and lacks the punch you’d expect from such a slow wep. Pets are buggy in that they can’t attack while moving and their F2 responsiveness is slow. Greatsword used to be, well…great. Now it’s like swinging a tree branch. Spirits are incredibly lackluster and our signets are the weakest in the game.

These are the primary complaints. Anet knows them and we’re all hoping to see big improvements on the 15th. Rangers are still fun to play and probably the easiest in PvE. Enjoy what you got and maybe they’ll get even better soon.

Pfff… all can do this. S(!)PvE – do not forget to specify. In the dungeons ranger just worst class of all. I do not go to the dungeon by ranger, just out of respect to other players, knowing that the rangers – the loss of the slot.
And it is unpleasant.
Yes, it is good in spve. But not the best. Classes such as Warrior, Mesmer, cond Necromancer, and especially Guardian feel much better. For example Guardian can simultaneously kill many times more mobs than the ranger, 20-50% faster and spend less HP at same time.
Necromancer can kill a surprising number of mobs at once, that the rangers will only cry quietly in a corner, drooling.

utility that some classes dream of? Dude, are you kidding? Half of the ranger’s utility absolute rubbish, to which even sorry to spend skill points. The most useless utility of all classes. More than half do not needed at all.

About other problems do not want to even mention.

I hope they’ll give us normal damage, normal support spirits, normal signets, normal buffs from shouts, normal marksman, surv and bm traits and normal cond removal. Then they can even simply take this pets.

It is sad, but yes. Their attacks are more slower and more rare than even our longbow. They can hit only sleepy cripple player. The fact that he killed someone – a huge fortune.

I just hope that the developers read these topics and our complaints.

Obsidian.1328:

All they really need to do is rename the profession “Beastmaster.” Then everyone will say “oohhh…I get it now, it’s not a ranger.”

Also, we’re approaching 70k on this thread, keep it up!

Better “pet keeper”. To hint that he can not do anything special, but to keep them. And he commanded them not very good too…

Try Engineer. That’s the fun. Interestingly, multilaterally. For all its curvature, it is still much more interesting then rangers.

Himei.5379:

MeGaZlo.9516:

I do not believe people that say “Ranger is fun”. I think it’s just an attempt to justify the handicap class. Or hypocrisy. Or they just do not compare. Explain me what fun in ranger now?

Ranger is REALY TERRIBLE. The only reason it makes sense to play them – if you like what he is in leather and with a bow.

Your definition of fun =/ my definition of fun so don’t generalize it for everyone.

There’s no argument from me that rangers are bad, in WvW and PVP but in PvE, we do fine. Read my many posts and most of it is complaints and reasons why we suck but at the end of the day, I’m still playing her and will still be my main because I (stressing “I”) have fun with her. When the class gets fixed somewhat in the next patch, maybe I’ll have even MORE fun with her.

And for you to be posting in the Ranger forums stressing your opinion, it can only lead me to one conclusion. If you’re not having fun with your ranger, you should be in another class section raving about how much fun that class is yet you are still here which means 1 thing…You are Still playing your ranger. Why? Why still play it when you aren’t having fun with it?

I have all 80 classes now. Already begin some new characters of same class to see others quest lines.
Why? It’s simple. I went into this game with the clear intention that 1 of my character will be a ranger-norn like girl on the artworks (Eir). I like the style. “Role”. Amplua. But not the class. The class is awful. It’s the worst. Without exaggeration. After playing other classes I know that find rangers interesting could only ppl which does not play other classes.

And I am sure that you like play ranger, just because you like the idea of playing this girl in leather armor, bow and nature theme. Character. Not class.

I want to believe in good. But I have taught to rely on the worst. I’m pretty sure that nothing does change. Something like correction of tooltips, minor changes in traits lines, at best something like stack of might in any ability. Or a statement like “we have improved AI pets”, but in fact no one did not feel it.

I think the developers themselves do not fully understand that the class they want to see. Otherwise they would not have made ??him a handicap.

Judge for yourself: no damage, no support, no buffs, no self buffs, no condition removal… hell, there is not even a normal condition setting weapon! This class IS NOTHING but a name and “running zoo”. “Oh, look, I have a pink moa and cute pig!” ^____^ Niaaaa! Girls in delight! Add in patch panda pet, canaries and cute bunny. And a-a-all will be just fine… Yeah… bullkitten

I do not believe people that say “Ranger is fun”. I think it’s just an attempt to justify the handicap class. Or hypocrisy. Or they just do not compare. Explain me what fun in ranger now?
Let’s see… we have 100,500 pets and we can give the order back to you. You can use 2 of them. This is fun? Almost all classes have pets too. Anyway. And you’re, well… keep an eye(?) on him so he did not die. In fact, you just use 6 when u need to and and F3 in hope that he will have time to come back. In fact, from him more problems than benefit. Choosing of pet large, but we still use only a few viable for certain situations (bears, devourers, linx, wolves).

Well. And that fan is over….

What else do we have… Boring and unbalanced weapon, which usually uses only 1. Fun weapons nerfed to ugliness. The lowest in-game damage. The smallest choose of utility (only trap + couple of others). Terrible tree of traits, In which the majority of lines just useless, and in the right lines set of traits is still terrible.
All is curves, dull, weak, useless. Where is fan? I don’t get.
I found ALL the other classes fun. But not Ranger. Which archetype I played in more than 5 other online projects.

There remains only the fact that the ranger – is guy in leather with a bow. Is this fun?

Seriously. I do not understand people who still justify the class saying “hey, it’s not so bad.” I would not believe that they were playing some other class on the 80th and they know what they say.
Ranger is REALY TERRIBLE. The only reason it makes sense to play them – if you like what he is in leather and with a bow.

Sleepy.2647:

What maths? I can’t prove wrong anything because that boss no longer exits, but the fact that you do 60+ bleed damage already PROVES you didn’t have full berseker gear, period…there is your proof on your own screenshot.

You posted two screenshots comparing apples to potatoes trying to make a point, that’s not productive in any sort of way. Where are the maths on these screenshots? You ask for something you didn’t do yourself.

Are you sure? I have full berserker gear and my bleeds also does nearly same damage.

Frozenpants.5491:

I love playing my ranger, it feels very fun to play despite the many flaws… as long as you dont compare yourself to other professions you can live with it.

Just a little tip for anyone doing dungeons and having the problem with pet deaths, i would suggest you try using Moa birds.. they have a self channeled heal that helps keep them alive along with decent tank stats, if your run white/blue moa they also have good defensive f2 ability’s.

In the dungeon like Arah, coe etc pet dies for 1-2 tick of AoE. Heal can’t save him. And… hell, this MMO RPG, you can not play without comparing your class to others.

You all do not understand anything! Ranger is not about damage! Ranger is about … about… eeem… ranger, after all, can…. eem… well… i mean… he is about…….
oooooouh =(
But rangers are fine! Yes yes! My pet can do crit for 4k … sometimes … once in a while.. yes. Fine. :|

Sleepy.2647:

Well, it’s no secret that rangers need some fixes and rework, but it’s also been said that changes will be made on 15th.

They can’t fix everything at the same time, and what may seem like a fix for someone, it’s a nerf for other classes. If ranger can do decently right now, imagine if they change it too much or make certain skills too good…it would change from “decent” to OP in a blink of eyes, that’s why i don’t expect any major change other than changing some traits, sightly buffing spirits and obviously fixing a bit the pets AI/skills cast time.

Ranger will not be OP such soon, just because, even now, his damage is disgusting. In addition, the stupidity of your pet also reduces it. And In addition to the bad damage ranger have worst signets. Worst sopport abilities (ie spirits), worst (just useless) class shouts (compare it with shouts of Guardian and Warrior). When I say “worst”, I mean exactly the WORST, not “a little bad.” To be anything but boring, ranger have disgusting melee weapons (with no compromises. Worse only classes which have no melee weapon at all) – one with gnarled abilities, another with ridiculous damage. With some weapons there no reason to use anything but “1”. Plus ranger have terrible (perhaps worst too) condition removing. Well, In other respects ranger is fine and wonderful. You can play. Even quite good. We play somehow after all!
But for rank OP he must be SOOOO overbuffed so that his own mother did not recognize. Do not expect.

Well… warrior’s longbow – is a mixture of short and long bows of ranger with fire instead of poison. And warrior’s rifle – also a cross between ranger’s short and long bow. So a little bit wrong to compare it so one-sided. But, well… ranger loses with both =_=.

I can see gold in the ability of any other class, but not ranger.
You found the normal builds and dismissed all others. And you’re not interested, that almost all abilities are useless. Or that people wants a variety. You do not wonder how wide the possibility of other classes in relation to your, if you are able to kill members of thou class.
That’s the problem. Maybe this is the reason why in ranger’s topics people complain that all their ability is crap, and in topics of thieves people are complaining that they can kill all with a 3 heartseeker and it’s too OP for them.

Sunspear Mars.1480:

I said during beta that Arenanet should look at City of Heroes/Villains’ mastermind class. It allowed for up to six pets to be out at all times (including keeping them spawned thru zoning) and sometimes a seventh timed pet. They did not auto-spawn unless summoned. It also had a much more robust system of control, including essentially a flag for them to defend an area of ground. That’s similar to the flag system in the first GW. So the tech already exists, no need to reinvent the wheel. Having to choose “Guard” as a utility skill is a poor substitute. It should be an inherent ability.

Maybe Arenanet should consider buying CoH/V. Not necessarily to save it from closing at the end of November (though that would make 20,000 or 30,000 players very happy), but to gain access to the design of the mastermind class in any future tweaks for rangers.

God forbid! Want a class with a dozen of pets – take the necromancer. Better let them take their own idea from GW1 and return to ranger damage from pet.

Ninjah.6298:

Where does this talk of pets doing 45% of ranger dps come from? Lol. It wouldn’t even be that much if you were just on auto attack.

I do not even see much of an issue with pets, they are far more responsive than in other titles.

My biggest suggestion would be to buff up a single skill in SB, maybe some AOE, because in long group pve fights its pretty dull. Thief SB puts it to shame apart from rangers AA speed. A melee closer would b good too, I know the Gs has one and you can trait for the speed buff when you switch in combat but I feel it would make melee that little bit more viable for more players.

I don’t feel any of those would be op at all, I could be wrong.

Also, some of the slot skills are very poor, 20% chances are not that useful, nor is a 10% speed buff, some of the elite summon skills timers are way too long also, imo. Also, more variety in traps and possibly more trap based traits?

I do not feel our DPS is that bad (considering our CC and CD’s) once you build for it and know how to chain attacks. We have one of the largest and fastest to cast rAOE’s in the game, plus it cc’s too, stop crying, really.

This all reminds me of WAR’s shadow warrior, which was a far far inferior class, many QQ’ed it was terrible, it was poor compared to it’s opposite but could be devastating in the correct hands.

I think many crying about the ranger so much should try ele and other classes.

Well, actually they can. Apparently you use mostly glass builds and short bow. Try speknutsya in BM and tafness – and the pet will do 60. In any case, did not mean that they make 40% of your damage, and that your loss is less than 40% because of them. That is the problem. Without a pet you are nothing. And pets are useless and very bad fit into the concept of action RPGs such as this.

Well, actually they can. Apparently you use mostly glass builds and short bow. Try to spec in BM and thougness for example – pet will do all 60. In any case, ppl does not mean that they make 40% of your damage, they mean that your loss 40% because of them. That is the problem. Without a pet you are nothing. And pets are useless and very bad fit into the concept of action RPG such as this.

Skolvikings.5132:

We have nothing to offer in dungeons? That’s just wrong. Several times I’ve been in dungeons where the only reason there wasn’t a wipe and reset was: ME. I’m not even a hardcore player, yet many times I’m the last one standing, running around all crazy trying to survive solo against the boss until everyone else can run back from the waypoint, and I’m almost always successful at it.

Plus, there are times when 2-3 of the group are dead/downed, while me and the other 1-2 alive members finish off the boss. Maybe I don’t have super high DPS, but that’s not the end-all be-all of the game. Sometimes it’s invaluable to be able to do steady, consistent damage over time while staying alive more often than a lot of other professions. Remember, most other professions also love the glass canon style of build. In dungeons, often times they’re laying on their face watching me as I’m still standing and attacking.

Runing and dodging available to any class. But and there ranger can not be compared with some. To ranger available many vigor, but some classes have permanent endurance regeneration, or 25 percent of speed constant, or TP to the target area, or dozen consecutive dodge.
Returning to the topic: nonsense. You think to escape, when all others were pleased to fall down – is to help the group? Or do you believe that you are able to do this because you’re a ranger? Any class may be much more effective in this… labor. Because you, for example, do not have any utility to swiftness.
However, in combat you have no social buffs, on support, no clear-cut opportunities to heal, and overdamage you could only some noob. Unless, of course, if you’re lucky and your pet will not always dead. No. Ranger worst class for dungeons.

Take a good greatsword and enjoy! Forget about pet tanking.
Because no1 do not know the principle of aggro generation in this game, we can say that it’s just randomly. And farther away – pet tanks worse and worse.

Yeah … You guys are denying the obvious. Ranger’s damage is garbage. Even with considering pet. From whatever side you do not compare, no matter what the facts are taken into calculation, ranger UNABLE to compete with most classes. Especially with the thief. If you do not agree – you just do not know the capabilities of other. And curve pet and half of useless utility skills only adds fuel to the fire…

Playing ranger in solo – is just pleasure. However, when it comes to competitive parts – ranger losing in everything. Seriously, if I’ll pick a group in dungeon, I’ll take ranger ONLY if no one else will be. Ranger can give NOTHING to the group. No support no damage. Class for grinding and boting.

Really? Then I support it. Resent in support! =)

I found no word about pet effectiveness. Only the joy about variety of options. Which, by the way, I also consider very illusory.

Why?
You say that pets are awesome. I believe that pets are only harm class now. We exchange arguments.
And what, in your opinion, their effectiveness?

Ranger class built entirely on the dependence of its mechanics. IE pets. Roughly half of ranger’s damage – a pet. Half ranger’s abilities – pet buffs. However, the pet now – is a hindrance rather than help. While the mechanics of other classes gives them an advantage, our gives us nothing but inconvenience.
Think, we are the only class whose mechanics could die. Easily. And while take with half of our damage. And then half of our abilities no longer works. While other classes have many social buffs, temporary invulnerability, conditions removing, we have only enhance on our pet and possibility to protect ourselves by sacrificing our pet (on which half of our damage, allow me to remind).
Thus we become the most socially useless class of all. Our class only works on his mechanics, which does not work well for ourselves.
Such a system would work, if the ranger in itself would have DPS comparable to other classes. Then pet would be a powerful appendage. In this way we would justify our social uselessness by wery high damage, and pet would justify the inconvenience necessary for its functioning.
Now pets useless. And helping them, as you suggest, you just lose even more.