Guild Wars 2

Kirby.4951:

It is true that AI has problems, but with the ability to micro manage your pet a good player can overcome certain AI problems.

• What that means is that with good controls for your pet, that can be used to tell your pet what you want it to do and when to do it, a good player surpasses another player in ability to control AI.
• The problem is if their are inefficiencies in the pets AI that do not allow a good player to effectively control the AI.

But I also disagree that the ranger is a bland unimaginative mediocre class but that’s more of a difference in taste.

I do not really understand the meaning of class, the whole game of which is based on overcoming his weaknesses.
Is warrior must help his adrenaline to gain? Or elementalist, should he help the fire attunement be fire? Must the thief help his initiative to replace his CD? Have guardian helping their virtues to give buff?
No offense please, but I think your argument is nonsense. And they just dictated by love for the style of this class. His amplua, not his real functional or merit. Why is half of my abilities – is buffs on my mechanics, which I still must HELP TO WORK normaly?! Why should I help third of my damage to do this damage?
Does the fact that a third of my damage on the pet any advantage to me? I do not think so.
Those options that you described, actually not quite are true. In reality, what ever style of game you choose you forced(!) to pay attention to your pet. Since a huge part of your damage and the work of many of your abilities needed his presence. Therefore, you have to pay great attention to its survival. And whatever build you do invented – this forcing remains.

This can only liked by people who love the exactly pet-style of game. But I guess they never will understand people who do not like this style. All the same it reduced to the argument “then this is not your class. Try another.”

With new animation textures of right hand buged on many gloves

It seems almost all gloves on norn women now behave the same way, with new GS animation.

There are 100500 themes with bugs. Answer in all just huge vaste of time.

This spell just give your pet about 10-15% dmg.
This is a section about bugs. You write – devs take note. No one will answer you here.

Hi there!
Hand texture sticks out gloves of T3 norn racial set, with this new female norn greatsword run animation.
I rly like this set and it’s sad to me. Can you fix it please?

I just hope that the fixing issues will not be limited only on correction some non-working traits. The whole ranger’s class needs to be expanded. Now it looks most.. eeem… socially useless.

mb they mean something like opening pre-event…

I have full berserker gear, i maxed crit dmg. I tried all possable equipment, builds, runes and gems. Over 3.5k nearly impossible. And it was at 12 might stacks and 25 vulner on target. In pve/spve even 3k is very rare event. I think thou light golem just have minimum thougness. That’s why such solid number. 4k? NO WAY.

RummyTheMad.7290:

MeGaZlo.9516:

nldixon.8514:

@MeGaZlo

If you do just fine on your Ranger, why are you always on the forums complaining about Rangers? Yes, Rangers have some issues. Rangers are also totally playable and there are some amazing builds and play styles that make them fun and effective.

I have yet to see any positive or constructive posts from you on the Ranger forums. So what’s worse: people coming to the forums trying to promote effective play styles and builds (and coming off as “cool” as you put it) or people coming to the forums and complaining incessantly and providing absolutely zero constructive feedback?

Uh! UH!! So much? Really?? Can u list??? I doubt it.
Some issues… For example no normal support builds? No social buffs? Half of abilites – sluggish buffs on pet, who manages to miss even on mobs sometimes. In tanks builds ranger is cotton. In glass builds can not overdamage even necro with power/c.damage equip. Ranger is not fine. If u think otherwise – you know nothing about it and abviosly live in your own rainbow world. Ranger now has ten times less options and variety than any other class. This makes him dull and boring.

Wow. Settle down there cowboy. It’s just a game, and it’s just a discussion.

I’m not sure what you are trying to argue here, but it sounds like you are saying that people that can’t play the class effectively are more knowledgeable than those that can. I think you may have that backward.

I do just fine with my ranger. I also have one of each other profession, so I’m at least familiar with all of them. I won’t claim to know much about eles and necros because I’ve played those the least, but I do know that I can play as effectively on my ranger as I can on any of the fotm classes. Except for mesmers. I haven’t quite learned how to play effectively against good ones with my ranger yet.

Again, nobody is saying that the ranger doesn’t have issues. Some of us just happen to know that the sky isn’t falling – it’s just a little rain. We’re going to get some tweaks, but I’m betting that they aren’t going to be as drastic as some of you seem to think are necessary.

Raw damage is just one part of the picture, so feel free to argue about how rangers suck on paper all you want. The truth is that there is more depth to the game than just damage numbers. So if that’s all you are looking at, you aren’t getting the whole picture.

I have write no word about damage.
But… If u started a conversation, tell me: what can rangers do that it compensates for low damage?

nldixon.8514:

@MeGaZlo

If you do just fine on your Ranger, why are you always on the forums complaining about Rangers? Yes, Rangers have some issues. Rangers are also totally playable and there are some amazing builds and play styles that make them fun and effective.

I have yet to see any positive or constructive posts from you on the Ranger forums. So what’s worse: people coming to the forums trying to promote effective play styles and builds (and coming off as “cool” as you put it) or people coming to the forums and complaining incessantly and providing absolutely zero constructive feedback?

Uh! UH!! So much? Really?? Can u list??? I doubt it.
Some issues… For example no normal support builds? No social buffs? Half of abilites – sluggish buffs on pet, who manages to miss even on mobs sometimes. In tanks builds ranger is cotton. In glass builds can not overdamage even necro with power/c.damage equip. Ranger is not fine. If u think otherwise – you know nothing about it and abviosly live in your own rainbow world. Ranger now has ten times less options and variety than any other class. This makes him dull and boring.

This is not figure of ability, knowledge, and skill. As well as the skill and ability to play is not an indicator of knowledge about class. You may be able to play and not to see the problems that class have, because you have nothing to compare. I’m too lazy to tell how I’m cool and how much characters i have and how much time played on my ranger. I just say once again: in this game I can turn off all the utility skills, undress, reset traits, and in such kind to go win the match, or kill someone on the WvW. You think this is because the class is so good? I’m perfectly ranger. And I see well all of its shortcomings. Nevertheless, I do not come to the forum with shouts of “hey, I’ve learned to control my pet. Devs, do not need to fix it now! People just do not know how to play!” Do you want to teach people to play a ranger? First, learn to play a couple of other classes. Compare their features and limitations. And only then judge.

RummyTheMad.7290:

Well, here’s the thing. You can continue to say 50% isn’t OP all you want, but it’s simply not true, and saying it more doesn’t make it any more true. And no, I don’t want my pet neutered so the LB can do more damage. I have learned how to use my pet, and as it turns out it’s about as effective as you play it.

Yes the lack of attacking while on the move thing can be frustrating, and I think it will end up being changed. However, try crippling or chilling your target and see if your pet hits don’t improve. Trait for improved pet speed and see if it doesn’t suddenly catch your target more often. Try using your stuns and control skills and let me know how many misses you see. If all they do in the next patch is to make it so that pets can hit while on the move, your ranger will suddenly feel very powerful.

Which brings us back to the underlying issue…

Raw damage simply isn’t the whole picture, and treating it as such is flat out wrong. This is a games of skill, and control is king. Hell, it’s emperor. As it turns out rangers have control skills in spades. We have tons of options to avoid or to mitigate damage, to interrupt or to shutdown, to make and to close gaps, and to otherwise control the pace of the battle. That means that the warrior that is normally pumping out a million Ds per S isn’t pumping out very many Ds at all if he can’t hit you or use his skills. Therein lies the strength of the ranger class. Control and adaptability.

If you are the only one doing any damage in a fight, your DPS is higher than your opponent’s. Period.

What you are asking for is severely OP. You just can’t see it yet.

Think about how you can play within the confines of the class instead of trying to fight against them. The tools are there, and all you have to do is learn to use them properly. Don’t try to force the ranger to be something it’s not, and I’ll bet that your outlook will change. Mine sure did.

Pfft .. yet another philosophical post on theme "I learned to play a ranger so cool that I do not care about the actual numbers and adequate arguments driven by hundreds of people. They are nothing. I am the master. This class is not about damage. This class does not need all the skills, I learned to play with five which works and i’m ok. Two working builds is completle enough to me. blah blag blag. "Already sick of this pompous nonsense. Do you believe that 100500 people sitting here just because they do not know how to play as well as you? Isn’t it funny for yourself?

Here the matter is that the concept of the Ranger – it’s not a “just ranged fighter”. This is a kind of forest survival. Quiet and fast killer armed with bows, blades and nature magic. That developers can realize – judge for yourself. And a rifle is loud and brutal mechanism. It is not suitable for the style of the “forest magician”.

Ranger have no burst, ranger have no condition builds. What in general ranger is? I do not quite understand. All classes have about 2 burst weapon sets, 2 condition. What is our burst weapon? And condition? Shortbow? Then why bleeding hugs only from the flank? Where is all traits on cond time etc? And second cond. weapon? Sword+torch? But normally on target can be kept only a poison. So there it our only condition in melee? Poison?
I really do not understand people who defend the ranger. Yes we CAN play with it. But this class is awful! It has not completed yet. Not smart enough. It literally knocked out of the game concept. We only have two build – beastmaster and a glass cannon. The class has no burst, no cond builds. No melee damage. No ranged damage. This is a class all only about abundance of beautiful pets. Varied and interesting pets. That’s it. Thats all.
As my friend likes to say – a class for girls. Willing to accept.

Akisame.9508:

Lets be honest here, 50% is NOT overpowered at all. They have already stated that our pets account for 45% of our damage. We all know that pets are not dealing the damage because of various reasons, ledges, moving targets, etc. I personally believe too many people are going about this in the wrong way. The Ideal thing to do in order to get the class up and running in the shortest amount of time is by removing the damage from the pets. Let the pet account for 5% of the damage, or whatever small percentage, I don’t care the number. Just make pets more as a utility tool to apply effects on targets or buffs for the group. Allow the ranger to take control over his/her own damage like all other classes. You can still have your pet tanking for you, he’ll just be tickling the mob instead.

By doing this the ranger can then have 100% control over their own damage output instead of relying on a horrible AI to do half of their damage for them.

Pets will still be in the game, capable of tanking, buffing, and applying whatever they apply according to the pet your using, whether it’s blind, knockdown, bleed, whatever. They just will not be hitting for much at all, they will have to have aggro adjusted properly so the tanking pets can tank for some duration of time before your damage pulls agro from them.

The only other way to fix it is by fixing the AI in the entire game, which we all know that will NEVER happen. Give the damage to the ranger, and let the ranger be the true master of the bow as it should be. For those who say why should the ranger be the master of the bow, easy, because Anet said we are, here is what they have written under profession ranger:

“Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.”

We are unparalleled, we are unmatched with the bow, yet the numbers above are proving otherwise. It also says that with our bows we can take down our foes from a distance, it doesn’t say that with help from our pets we take down our foes. It does say that with the help of our pets, traps, and spirits, we can adapt to any situation, but it doesn’t say they are needed in order to fill the gap for 45% of our missing damage.

But then again, that’s just my take on the class. Buff our damage with the bow, we should do more damage with the bow then any other class. And remove the damage from the pets. simple fix and we can be up and playing happily in a week or two.

I agree. I do not believe that they can fix the problems with pet per 1 patch. And a class with pet, half of which is a pet, when the pet dumb as a heel and just useless in half the situations – it is half of the class, is not it? But our problem a little deeper. Sad. Removing pet damage does 80% of our traits absolutly useless. Like half of the utility skills (By the way, we are the only class which is so strongly attached to his mechanics. Compare.). Almost all of our abilities and traits are working towards on our pet, either in full or more than on us (omg.. i hate this idea). Pet damage reduction will completely kill the class, if not completely redo all abilities and traits.

Why orrian undeads are so fast?? They are catching up you at +25% speed and swiftness. How can half-rotten gnarled bloated zombie move so fast?! =) This is nonsense!

In other words spirits isn’t bugged. Just crappy.

I hate animation of sword AA. Because of this jump. Some ppl like. But I’m sick of it. Looks terrible stupid.

And I think that the idea about conjuring arrows is stupid. I want a quiver! Demand quiver!

I greet you, people. Some time ago, i get an idea to create a glass cannon-necro. So i geared it into power, precision and critical damage. With small patches of thougness and endurance. I must say that it is quite good in some situations, but not very useful for spve. That’s why i’d like to getting advice from seasoned experts.
For example a necromancer with a staff and wells build may for a few seconds destroy at least 10 and more mobs. But CD is dangerously high and therefore to beat a single mob takes longer than thou 10. Axe terribly weak for direct weapon. Daggers are quite good, but when it comes to AoE – you have to be perverted with it. Dead shroud build is rly perfect for dungeons, but in spve very quickly ends.
I need examples of build and gear options specifically for spve. To make it fast, convenient and risk-free. It is particularly interesting to learn about opportunities in the cond builds. My favorite weapons is staff and scepter. So I would like to know how much bleeding can be maintained by the staff. How hard bleeding ticks. How fast is the average mob killing. How easy is it to survive 1 vs 3+. What runes, jewels would be good to insert. etc… If someone knows the mechanics of conds namage calculating – would be most grateful. Thanks in advance.

Here’s an example. Not the longest sword

Buy 16 rare bows, make of them 4 exotic at mystic forge and then one Eir’s. It is beautiful and powerful! )

deepwinter.9015:

I’m an agnostic sylvari, but I’ll be nullifying your prayer to your Six Gods with my own to keep the animation the way it is!

I love it, especially in the fancy trench coat armor that I wear! I love seeing my coattails fly outward, Matrix style.

Since when to look like umbrella flown away in a hurricane is cool?
Do not know about asura and sylvari, but norn with this animation at such speed looks like a crazy idiot.

I hate sword because of its jump in autoattack. AA interrupts even own 2 and 3. Not mention the dodge. And the animation is disgusting. How many times did not try sword – I can not use it long. Makes me angry. I pray to all gods, to this stupid jump was finally removed in patch

Rangers need at least one weapon with boons to do builds with this line. We have no. So far the only thing I could find useful in this line – 5% endur to power.

GS strong only against mobs in sPvE. In PvP of any sort there is nothing to do with it. In dungeons too.

Granted optimism from visit of John, happy as children forum rangers, immediately began to pour ideas in the theme =). So cute! Calm down, folks. First, the fact that he filled the post to calm rangers community – does not mean that he now sits and carefully read this topic. And besides, it is clear from his words that everything is ready and decided, they just do not know how to enter it without bugs.

I am sure that they will not remodel functional of apabilities. Maximum – will add some boons to the utility skills. All work will be with the numbers. Plus there, minus here… Although i passionately hope they remake sword “1”. Hate it.

I truly believe that all signet must work on the ranger without traits. And should not have only half of passive effect on ranger. If devs are positioned pet as a part of the rangers – why do we sacrifice 2/3 signets effective on them. I mean, what we have as advantage that we need to be weakened?

Weeeheheee! I’m so happy! Go for uncork the champagne. Seriously.

Xsorus.2507:

The Signets themselves aren’t completely terrible..Health Regen is alright, The Speed is alright (but needs to be faster for the class, 10% is not enough), The Condition removal one is a decent stun break.

So it means they aren’t allright.

Impossible to hold with such ease hunk of metal that weighs like you. Also, now the animation is almost the same, as with all the other weapons. Became a little boring.

New animation in this patch. Maybe it’s a bug? I do not like it. Looks like she has a wooden chopper, not a huge sword floor hundreds of pounds.

Sleepy.2647:

If you think rangers do two times less damage than other classes in dungeons i think the one who has a lot of imagination is you.

Yes, melee classes also have ranged attacks, how many of them hit 700-1500 per shortbow autoattack (2 per second), gain quickness every 15-20 seconds and have a pet that also does 1-3k damage if you can keep it alive (which is not as hard as people say, just in certain encounters they die almost instantly). Not to mention skills like QZ that pretty much allow you to switch to longbow and use vulnerability and then rapid fire + QZ and Barrage, you get to shoot Rapid Fire and almost a whole Barrage in those 4 seconds…with berseker gear that’s like 7-13k Rapid Fire and i don’t even know how much from Barrage.

My imagination is so good that i did these tests always in twilight arbor right before the first boss, i get behind one of the worms and hit the one the rest are hitting, i do the same most of the times in all pulls but on that one i can clearly see my damage output and i send the pet to the one the rest of the team is attacking so that’s actually less damage. Also on magg path with the two guards right before the bomb i did the same testing…same result and that one actually hits back.

If you saw a ranger dying a lot in dungeons or you die a lot in dungeons then you/they are doing something wrong.

If you ever see a ranger doing poor damage in dungeons it’s because they are using Axe, GS or who knows what else as main weapon, and they use bad traits.

Oh.. I did =) ! I just have no guardian, mesmer and elementalist. But almost! But I play them (have a lot of friends ;P)!
First, I must say that in this game is no such thing as reroll. As a character can get full exotic gear in the first day it will be 80. Everything important is shared through the account etc. In general you can play any character you want, the others from this that does not lose. Important only fan and temporary preferences ).
I played ranger more than 500 hours already (yes, i play much). I can not say that I do not like it (or else would I play him?). I can say that it seems to me … not completed yet. Ranger can overdamage only necromancer. But only to a point. Doing to necro Cond build+epidemy= damage that ranger did not dream for. Plus, necromancer have very evil AoE (ranger not). So perhaps the ranger and then loses…
Ranger kind of reminds me… eeem… a “weak” engineer. Devs decided to give him a pet and, therefore, nerf a little. But overdone. And then forgot about him. And then forgot to remember. Something like that)
The class turned out good. But only dull alittle… Few working abilities… Builds some “one-sided”… And pet – a paper brake. And the rest is normal. Can play. But it would be better. Somehow sorry to spend time on the legendary for him…
Here you have an exhaustive description of the Ranger: ok, but it would be better. And do not tell me what all on this forum skilled rangers, and this class just not for me. All my life I play such classes in all the games that have them. I know what I’m saying. Ranger is not ready yet. Need a lot of improvement. But we ignored bu devs. I think much because of posts like “Ranger is super. I’m pro and I’m fine. You are all just fools. Go learn how to play”.

I will not argue. You obviously were not at all dungeons and did not play all classes. And to explain cobmat mechanics and bring figures is too long and… it’s already in other topic somewhere . Just look for.

Sleepy.2647:

I don’t think other classes do twice the dps of the ranger in PvE, some classes do have some burst like thieves or warriors but they are also exposed to take a lot of damage, so in result rangers are hitting the mobs 95% of the time while some of these classes with good burst spend more time running or avoiding hits than doing damage.

In PvE rangers damage is fine, hell…i’d even say on single targets they are superior to many classes. Rangers are worse for burst damage, but they win in the long run when killing bosses/elite mobs. In dungeons i can see that when we are killing trash mobs and i decide to solo one, by the time the other 4 players finish an elite which i’m also hitting i already got the second one to at least 70% with only me hitting that mob. (can hit two mobs at the same time easily thanks to the piercing arrows if you know a bit about positioning and which target to take).

Hah… You’re so naive. You are aware that all classes have ranged attack? When they say that the ranger less damage, take into account this factor too. If you do not believe me – just create a new class, go to the mists and test ranged on a golem. BTW in dungeons ranger has extremely poor survival factor in comparison with many other classes. This reduces their hypothetical damage again.

And… It’s funny to comment on your example … okay. Just as long as you stand in place and fry one mob, the other players kite and avoid first pulled, might say they’r “withdrawn fire from your”. Plus there is a difference in the mobs HP. And… well. Shorter than this: you just imagined it.

Ageia.5843:

Excellent post. On my server, Rangers get a lot of guff because its the choice of a bot generation! I hear everything from “Ranger=Easy mode” to, “Ranger’s can’t do enough damage!” Its nice to see there are people like the OP who agree with my point of view. Also, thanks for giving such detailed information. You taught me several things that I think will help me be better at my profession! hugs OP

Naaah… Rangers is good. But they have many disadvantages. Too much. What makes them worse in many situations than other classes. However, there are and advantages. For example, in pve you have 50% less chanses to die, because there is a 50% probability that the mobs will attack your pet. Plus there are a few weapons wich have 100% in “1” ability.
This makes the class ideal for bots. If you see this as plus – this class just for you.

All right. You think that it’s a little bit. Many people think that it’s a lot. You can ignore the imperfections. Others are not even going to TRY to ignore it.
You’re not going to expect that your class and pet will be fixed. Others do not even going to play this class until it will be fixed.
But they do not come to the forum with posts like “pet are completly broken, it infuriates me, and all of you who continue to play – are blind fools.”
But you have come here with the same post. And, in a sense, found a fool anyone who does not want to play with unfinished class. Exactly in this you are wrong.

But I also said, “If I remove all utility skills, reset all traits and put my pet in passive, I can safely go kill mobs in Orr. I can kill someone one by one, or even 1 by 2 in pvp.”.
This game has NOTHING unplayable. This advantage of the game. It is not the dignity of your class.
But… Can you claim that your pet is working perfectly? That all your skills are excellent and useful?

So.. and? Did you read my post? Where I said that the rangers are unplayable?

I’m sorry.
I can give you a game example. If I remove all utility skills, reset all traits and put my pet in passive, I can safely go kill mobs in Orr. I can kill someone one by one, or even 1 by 2 in pvp. My pet is broken and does not work well, and they are slowly. My utility skills are almost useless in its majority. My weapon is weak. But I can live with that!

So … Does the fact that I can live with it, do my pet right, my weapons strong, and my abilities useful?
No.
If I come to the forum and create a topic on “Hey, yesterday I killed 3 people with no skills, traits and pet. Ranger’s okay. You just do not know how to play!” – ranger get better? All of that is this thread – pure bragging and bullying.
I personally consider myself awesome player. I can really do this what is written. But I understand that my pet is broken, skills badly balanced, some of them are only needed for the equation number of other classes, my damage weak because of the pet, etc. I can live with that. But I do not want. I want it to be fixed. Most of people share the same desire. If you yourself admitted that the pet needs to be fixed, the debate is about nothing, only about who can play cooler. In the spirit of “look! I ride a bicycle with no hands”.

Well….
So…. your spirits operate efficiently and long? Your signets do not work only at half on u? Your lightning reflexes always break stunn? Your pet will live perfectly under mobs in all dungeons? He can attacks on the walls or from the walls on WvW? Can quickly get to any high hurdle? Does not die in the AoE? You can make a lot of effective specs? You can create a good build without using BM line? You are often using SaR, sick em or guard? Do you have a burst without QZ? Often use greatsword, axes? Can you do build on the basis of boons? You have a lot of powerful AoE ranged? Melee? Can do good damage without using traps? Your short bow causes bleeding in front? Can you do build with condition damage without a short bow? Your pets attack moving targets well? You have adequate conditions removing? Can u overdamage any class when your pet died?

Please, calm down already. You may very well play a ranger. You like it. Ok.
BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE THIS CLASS GOOD . Ranger is HALF of the class. He terribly unfinished. And the fact that you are accustomed, can bypass and ignore the imperfection, not force people to believe in the fact that this class is a good one. Especially people who do not like imperfection.

Dware.4259:

I have been a 80 FOREVER with lots of PvP kills….let me tell you something man..

Pets are almost useless in PvP/WvW.

The end.

Agree.
Posts in the spirit like “and I’m fine, that just you do not know how” touches me. The post about devourer living good in arah – sounds like an anecdote. He dies on the first AoE of mage or illusionist, in ~2-5 sec, because between pressing F3 and the way he really starts to retreat, usually held 2-3 sec. On lupic NO pet live more than 10 seconds. Even OMGbear with 30 points in BM

Fate.8673:

I’m playing tPvP with some guildies (not a full group) right now. I’m running SB/LB in spite of SB QZ, with Wolf/Drakehound pets. Having no trouble kiting/ CCing from Ranged, or causing havoc with my pet.

My pets hurt too, in this recent match (gotten to final round waiting for other match to finish) I soloed a thief from 80% while downed with my pet, just by timing my 2 correctly.

Pets do damage. So make sure youre paying attention to them. Man when one of my dogs knocks someone down its lights out.

But yes I tPvP pretty regularly as well as dungeon and WvW. You’ll have to trust me when I say I played the ranger up and down inside and out before I would even think of making a thread like this

Ok. And what classes u played seriously besides ranger?
You must be aware of what it means – balance. You should know that there are noobs, and there are pro, casuals and grinders, some people play better than others … You can win with unbalanced class of people who play worse than you. But if you will fight with person playing another, god balansed, class at your skill level and knowing your class, you’ll never defeat him, just because your class is weaker. And ranger is weaker than all others.

Clearly, many people complain about, just because they love to complain. But many are there because aware the reality of presence of the problems and shortcomings. Do you think it’s better if people wouldn’t care?

Fate.8673:

Glad for some ranger love in this forum.

M8, you’re making the wrong conclusions. How in your opinion – would people who do not like ranger sit here on the forum and argue to such … how to call … optimists like you that, “YES, THERE ARE PROBLEMS”. And even if u’ll paint all ranger’s sides in bright colors – the problems will remain.

Do not think that I am bragging about it, but I have a ranger with more than 500 hrs played, necromancer, warrior, a thief, engineer, all full exotic 80, on the way elementalist. And I tested long all classes on golems in mists… I played in all pvp, made more than 30 successful races in arah exp, and many in other dungeons. In short, I have a clear view of everything in this game.

BUT

… I sit here, in rangers theme, and scribbling negative posts on the ranger class. You will not find me in any of other profession’s themes. Do you think it’s because I do not love ranger?

What means “reroll to warrior / thief / etc”? I can fully play any class and does not lose smth in this game. But only playing ranger, I want to come here and write negative posts.

I’ve not lost hope that sooner or later, the devs take a look at all these verbally battles and emphasize that something is wrong.

You’re trying to prove to people that ranger is not so bad as they think… in something. But you can not rightly answer the question “not HOW bad?”.

Most loyal characteristic to the ranger is – “ranger have nothing better than other classes”. Although I might add that the ranger can’t even compared with other classes in most aspects.

I can not say that it is not viable. Admit to yourself: it is not possible to do SUCH a bad class, that people could not even play. Yes, I can even kill 2-3 people at once with ranger, it’s easy to solo PvE. BUT it’s not making ranger cool. Because if I were a thief or a warrior – it would be much simpler and easier.

You’re trying to prove that people do not understand the benefits of the ranger, simply because they are not able to notice them? Do not know how to play this class?
I played all bowmans and pet-classes, almost at all games that have them. I am clear about the opportunities and advantages. I think most people here, too.

AND
I can clearly tell you that the ranger in GW2 does not exceed ANY other class in ANYTHING.

Tell me any opportunity of ranger and I will name you the other class, which is better at it. And will explain why.

And I spend time on it just because I LOVE the Ranger as a class and want to see it good.

Again, look at the thief with pistols or short bow. Exeeds any of available ranger’s builds in all parameters, well, except that the maximum distance. Should I mention the melee?

Eeem…. Stealth is not quite correct to call thief’s mobility. Stealts used to deal more damage with next autoattack. Look at the thief with a short bow. He had so much avoidance that last for three rangers, and twice(or even triple) ranger’s damage and mobility.
And only 3 classes have crit damage not in the same trait line (necro, guard and warr).

I really can not believe that a class with trait like “10% damage when endurance is full” is conceived to being more mobile than others…

Size of female norn 1h weapon models is too big. Many even run into the floor. And it looks pretty stupid…