Guild Wars 2

Any NA uncontested atm?

I’m sorry, but I don’t see that thread in the Dungeons forum. Perhaps if your server has Balthazar you could post in this thread.

I’d like to guest on a server that has the Temple of Balthazar open. Which servers have Balthazar currently?

Welcome to t1 NA iron. Good luck. Gotta tell you, though, that BG is the only server with EU coverage. JQ has none.

Farer.7425:

all T1 server did absorb other server’s guilds. like this.
JQ – PRX (WARD), SBI (SF, CRNG, Rage, TRB), CD (Val, EDMW, Aggr)
BG – SOS (MERC, ND, AOI), KN (RISE, KO, RUN, WM, Meow)
SOR – SOS (TSYM, AFS, OCX), SBI (NYS, SAHP, and some NA guilds)
It is not a problem with a particular server. let’s stop blame such this.

but we need to match the coverage. I think SoR need SEA guild. That’s enough.
Instead, you’ve got a lot to NA Guild. so you can cover late EU ~ early OC.

BG has EU guild such HB, RK. but they are small guild. just has number 10ish. (HB is smaller than before). JQ has EM, OBL, Rest. yeah but they are small PvX guild. SOR has brazil alliinace and lot of NA guild. some of them can be play this time.
EU time isn’t serious match coverage. I mean about balance. recently scores becuase BG’s SEA did burst their playtime. This is temporary. other server is able to do so.
so I hope EU guild go to evenly each server.

PS. Sorry, english is not my first language. need your understanding.

PRX, CRNG, Rage, Val, Yaki, TRB, FoO ect. no longer play WvW in large, organized numbers. That’s the problem with the recent turnout of JQ guilds, and that’s ok. While these guilds still reside on JQ—I haven’t heard of any transferring—many of their members have moved on to other games or activities, such as PvE, that they are more interested in. You can’t be number 1 forever. We still have HzH, Ward, SF, and AoS, among others, and I know many enjoy being the underdog once again. It gives us something to fight for. Unfortunately, we aren’t able to give the current roster of BG the round the clock fight of JQ in its prime, but we will give you our best. That’s all we can do.

JQ doesn’t have many queues, especially during NA time. You may run into one on the map FOO plays on during sea time. Other than The FOO map and reset night there are no queues at all.

Can we have a score update?

While I would love to have AFS on JQ, I also understand that JQ has an extremely strong SEA presence, and that other servers would benefit more from your transfer than JQ. BG is a good server, but they have already proven that they can win T1; hence, you might want to consider moving to another destination.

There are two servers that I can think of that both need more SEA coverage and are in tiers that would provide the type of fights AFS is looking for: TC and SoR. TC seems like a great location to go to — a friendly server, dedication to team play and WvW, and you would be going up against a server with a large SEA presence, Kaineng, providing you with lots of good fights at the times that you play. Similarly, SoR is a very strong server boasting the largest NA presence in all of tier 1, and from what I can tell they could definitely use more SEA coverage to further balance T1. They also have the largest and most strident population of forum warriors, though. I wish that reputation would change for them, but they have to stop talking about how everyone else is bad at pvp first, and they definitely need to stop crashing GvGs. It’s a PR disaster.

Having said that, if I were in your position, I would seriously consider moving to TC because they have such a zeal for fun and an unimpeachable reputation as having a great never-give-up attitude. Just take a gander at their threads for a good laugh. Heck, I want to go to TC or have them in JQ for those good times.

The match isn’t over, so please stop talking as if it were. It’s a very close game, and BG is incredibly strong during oceanic time. Sometimes they get 400+per tic. I’m biased, so for JQ’s sake I hope we have some NA players who can stay up late. In any case, great match up, and to all the servers and players best of luck.

Liquid.9672:

Sardonia.8196:

Avenge.1478:

Never thought I would see a server with better coverage and more numbers than I saw JQ with when we hit T1. But kitten BG…

Very true. BG will be the new top server for quite some time now with the coverage they just got from SoS.

I think it would be a good idea to take a step back and not draw any specific conclusions yet. We’re not even 3 full days through this match yet, and only one week day. JQ was mopping BG up pretty good on Sunday, and BG returned the favor today (only talking about the scoreboard here btw). I personally think there will continue to be a lot of back and forth in PPT throughout the week.

I think you can draw a few conclusions from what we’re seeing on the scoreboard. To begin with, JQ has no major EU guild coverage. Hence, it’s reasonably safe to presume that BG will continue to post 300-400 ppt during the weekdays and remain dominant during that time.

Similarly, expect to see Merc posting screenshots of 400-500+ ppt during oceanic primetime, because neither JQ nor SoR have enough players during those hours. In any case, I’m sure both JQ and SoR will continue to fight hard despite those coverage gaps.

First I kept getting kicked in LA, and now it says my password is incorrect. Anyone else getting the password incorrect message?

I feel as if the swiftness and fury duration from zephyr’s boon has been cut back a bit. It may be hard to tell if you’re using 2 monk, 2 water, 2 whatever, but with divinity runes in wvw it just feels a bit different. Anyone else notice this?

It is a bit early for jumping ship, no? I suppose some people are more resilient. JQ can lose for 12 weeks or so and it’s no big deal, but SoS loses for 3 and Tyria is falling apart.

Servers that are leading in points should not be allowed to use the breakout event.

VoxShatterfall.5470:

Minoru, are you kidding? SoS has not enough EU coverage to beat SoR and JQ except for times where oceanics go 14 hours of WvW. SoS Oceanic T1 guilds are tired of the 14 hour wvw days and are moving on. SoS americans are having a heck of a time holding ground vs JQ and SoR amer presence (they continue to do a good job for SoS, I am glad for them) but lets face it, SoS cannot compete with JQ or SoR for numbers off oceanic time. SoS has a huge oceanic population and has superior coverage during that time, where as SoR and JQ have great coverage forcing SoS to pick and choose battles more carefully. What I feel happened was JQ has much more organized guilds during oceanics that make a great difference so SoS is limited to less than a 50 ppt lead during oceanics which are made up during EU and NA for JQ and SoR. No body can blame VOTF or the other guilds from wanting a break in the madness for a better rounded server.

This just means SoS will need to go to T2 for a while till SoS recruits more NA and EU guilds.

Your post is hard to follow, and I’m not sure you understood my point, so I’ll reiterate: JQ has no major Eu guilds. Our EU coverage is primarily made up of Asians who stay up late and a few solo EU players. I won’t respond further since most forum posters seem to be unable to handle anything other than JQ is stacked 24/7. We have a lot of WvW guilds, yes; however, non of them play during EU time with any significant numbers.

I am not suggesting VOTF go to JQ, but anyone who knows anything about JQ EU coverage knows it is just Asian players that stay up late and an Oreo commander. JQ has neither an organized EU guild nor many EU players. Our major ppt time is SEA. Please stop exaggerating our EU coverage. We don’t really have any. Ask VOTF, who capped JQBL Hills almost every day of the week. 30 vs. 10 every time.

From what I saw there was 15 SF and a few pugs vs. 20 – 30 CDs running in a blob and another 20 Hel coming in right after that. Oh and also TW somewhere in the mix. Both CDS and Hel seemed organized, but I don’t think the fights showed any superior skill for anyone. JQ just couldn’t get enough people on the commander pin to push back both the wave of 20-30 CDS followed by the next wave of Hel. I do remember pushing back CDS a few times, but they were always followed by another zerg. It got to the point that I tried to coax some CDs out of sunny to 1v1 and find an even fight since we didn’t have the numbers, but it always resulted in 5 CDS chasing after me. That’s kind of what the whole night felt like.

Miiaah.5416:

Shiren.9532:

Minoru.1237:

Ohai.8346:

Oresh.4729:

breaking news (well for me)
is there any other guilds following agg on bg, was agg part of an alliance?
will there be a goodbye letter from agg?

so many drama remains me of wow

FoE and AGG are both in the process of moving to Blackgate.
SoS was our home but in recent weeks they have simply given up and the militia have vanished/bandwaggoned. We found ourselves trying to hold 2-3 maps between 2 guilds and pugs, with other guilds cowering away from the fight. People like tsym having 4 of 65 online people in WvW wanting to take week off after week off if we aint winning, and other guilds more interested in Fractals than fighting for 2nd place.
This was starting to snowball and was not healthy for either of our guilds who are both active competitive pvp guilds, and after several weeks of server meetings we decided its simply time to move on.
Will we have a better chance of being #1 with Blackgate? Probably not unless they get Oceanic/SEA transfers, but what we will get is a server who actually want to fight and never give up which is all our guilds want.
We wish Sea of Sorrows the best and we leave sad that the server went this way.

I say this as a JQ citizen. If you guys are bailing to another server, don’t leave the guild ND on a sinking SOS. They are too good to fall out of T1. Remember that SoS recruited them, so if the server is giving up on WvW, atleast let them know so they can find a new home on SoR or Blackgate, or maybe even TC, though I think they should stay in T1.

FoE and Agg are bandwagon guilds that can’t bear the thought of not being in tier one. They think their guilds stand a better chance at staying in tier one than they do on SoS, that’s why they are leaving. The server isn’t dieing, it’s two bandwagon guilds leaving (they bandwagoned to SoS, it was a matter of time before they left it), not a dead server. Tier one isn’t going to be a three way competition until the numbers even out, that’s just how it is. The server didn’t get weaker, they just didn’t get all the transfers that JQ, and to a lesser extent, SoR and other servers got.

I’m guessing Agg and FoE are hoping their bandwagoning off of the server will snowball with other guilds on the server and force SoS into tier two. That will cause their new server, conveniently the strongest tier two server, to move up to tier one.

As far as you speaking as a JQ citizen about ND needing to stay in tier one (I like ND and I’m glad I get to play with them), a lot of people on both SoS and SoR don’t consider tier one very competitive. I know it’s not fun beating up on an out-manned opponent, but that’s what happens when you can fill maps with transfers and the other servers can’t. I honestly believe every server would get better competition in tier two where the numbers (at least between first and second) will be more even. My experience with ND is that they play around Oceanic/SEA times and thus even in tier one, they have plenty of support from the native SoS population and don’t have to fight JQ zergs that greatly outnumber them (which is the case for many other times of the day) but tier two has Kaineng. During ND’s time in WvW, Kaineng is probably the best server to compete against. Their Oceanic and SEA presence is probably the only one that rivals SoS (and many guilds on Kaineng are formerly tier one) so if SoS were to drop to tier two, I strongly suspect the best fights for ND would be in tier two. Kaineng doesn’t look to be leaving tier two any time soon (not unless they get more coverage judging from their match with BG) so the Oceanic/SEA scores between the two servers will be a lot of fun to watch (hopefully). If ND did transfer off, they’d be missing out. This is all assuming SoS drops to tier two

At least one thing good game out of this. Agg and FoE are paying our “subscription” fees this month. Hopefully BG doesn’t start losing in the future, otherwise ArenaNet’s coffers might see another boost.

Wait, so FoE and AGG are bandwagon guilds that can’t stand not to be in T1? This sounds rather odd coming from JQ who collected that exact description server wide. My guess is, had they chose to go to JQ when all the others bandwagoned there, they would be described slightly different?

Kaineng’s troubles in T2 aren’t coverage, they vastly outnumber BG during Oceanic but can’t seem to push BG to spawn camp armed only with a handful of feisty commanderless pugs

Forum cliff notes: The post to which you are responding was written by a citizen of SoS. Both The JQ citizen and the SoS citizen were agreeing that ND is a very good guild. the SoS citizen was making a case for why ND shouldnt leave: i.e. they are not a bandwagon guild, and would find better fights in there timeslot if they stayed with SoS. End forum cliff notes.

Tobias Steele.2071:

Minoru.1237:

Ohai.8346:

Oresh.4729:

breaking news (well for me)
is there any other guilds following agg on bg, was agg part of an alliance?
will there be a goodbye letter from agg?

so many drama remains me of wow

FoE and AGG are both in the process of moving to Blackgate.
SoS was our home but in recent weeks they have simply given up and the militia have vanished/bandwaggoned. We found ourselves trying to hold 2-3 maps between 2 guilds and pugs, with other guilds cowering away from the fight. People like tsym having 4 of 65 online people in WvW wanting to take week off after week off if we aint winning, and other guilds more interested in Fractals than fighting for 2nd place.
This was starting to snowball and was not healthy for either of our guilds who are both active competitive pvp guilds, and after several weeks of server meetings we decided its simply time to move on.
Will we have a better chance of being #1 with Blackgate? Probably not unless they get Oceanic/SEA transfers, but what we will get is a server who actually want to fight and never give up which is all our guilds want.
We wish Sea of Sorrows the best and we leave sad that the server went this way.

I say this as a JQ citizen. If you guys are bailing to another server, don’t leave the guild ND on a sinking SOS. They are too good to fall out of T1. Remember that SoS recruited them, so if the server is giving up on WvW, atleast let them know so they can find a new home on SoR or Blackgate, or maybe even TC, though I think they should stay in T1.

We have not given up on wvw. That’s just a lie and a kitten weak excuse and takes credit away from our opponents who have outplayed us. But hey if you didn’t want to be here it’s probably for the best that you left. At least now we don’t have to worry about ohai making SOS look bad by trolling jq in every match thread. Aggression will be missed, they conducted themselves with dignity and were much respected here. Wish you guys all the best in your future endeavours.

Well said. I wish more posters on these forums were as reasonable as you are.

VotF is also an excellent guild. Are they going to stay on SoS?

Never Die came from IOJ.

Ohai.8346:

Oresh.4729:

breaking news (well for me)
is there any other guilds following agg on bg, was agg part of an alliance?
will there be a goodbye letter from agg?

so many drama remains me of wow

FoE and AGG are both in the process of moving to Blackgate.
SoS was our home but in recent weeks they have simply given up and the militia have vanished/bandwaggoned. We found ourselves trying to hold 2-3 maps between 2 guilds and pugs, with other guilds cowering away from the fight. People like tsym having 4 of 65 online people in WvW wanting to take week off after week off if we aint winning, and other guilds more interested in Fractals than fighting for 2nd place.
This was starting to snowball and was not healthy for either of our guilds who are both active competitive pvp guilds, and after several weeks of server meetings we decided its simply time to move on.
Will we have a better chance of being #1 with Blackgate? Probably not unless they get Oceanic/SEA transfers, but what we will get is a server who actually want to fight and never give up which is all our guilds want.
We wish Sea of Sorrows the best and we leave sad that the server went this way.

I say this as a JQ citizen. If you guys are bailing to another server, don’t leave the guild ND on a sinking SOS. They are too good to fall out of T1. Remember that SoS recruited them, so if the server is giving up on WvW, atleast let them know so they can find a new home on SoR or Blackgate, or maybe even TC, though I think they should stay in T1.

BG, I think you may be headed back to T1 whether you want to go up or not. According to the overly dramatic and dire T1 thread the SoS guilds “FoE and AGG are both in the process of moving to Blackgate.”

I would transfer to a t2 server, probably tarnished coast, if I could convince my guild to go, but I don’t think anyone would pay to move. We’d miss FOO too. They are definitely my favorite guild to play with. But you guys have so much fun here. It’s infectious.

A lot of the score updates in NA threads come bundled with amusing or interesting screenshots. I’d hate to lose them. See feisty brat updates for a good example.

Have fun in T2.

Blackgate. I’m cheering for you.

I’m on Jade Quarry, and I think Blackgate is an excellent server to transfer to — excellent players, excellent fighting spirit, excellent tactics, and a superb community. If you are looking for a strong WvW server to call home look no further. Blackgate is what you have been searching for. We want BG back in T1. Miss you.

With all the accusations of hack/exploits, poor sportsmanship, and name calling with respect to nationality, it’s probably time to lock this thread.

WvWvW is supposed to be chaotic and imbalanced. That is why Anet does not balance WvWvW in the the same way they do sPvP. They have stated this several times. In any case, last week JQ won by 60k points. Remind you of anything? How about the week of December 15-22 when SoS won by 100,000 points. Blowouts happen. Just keep fighting and in time you will find a way to win. It took JQ over 2 months before they got 1 win on SoS.

EU time is the weakest time for all the T1 servers except SoS. All this week VotF has invaded jqbl to take whatever they want during EU time because JQ doesn’t have the man power to defend. I think SoS loses most points during the final hours of SEA time, not EU time. If EU players are considering moving to NA tier 1 servers, choosing SoR or JQ will enable those servers to hold off VotF. You will have enemies to fight. Or you could go to SoS and help them pvdoor Jqbl.

They will need to increase ele base damage if they nerf ele healing.

I they were to reintroduce the orbs I think reintroducing them without the stats bonus and valuing them at around+15ppt each would give people enough incentive to go after them. And it would avoid the stat stacking bonus that empowered the already winning team.

waeren.9743:

Minoru.1237:

I think the update stated that it was not a fix to culling, which is server side. I think the new system sets priorities for what loads first on the user end, and that users of high end computers really shouldn’t notice too much of a difference.

The culling in the above video really isn’t bad at all compared to what I’m used to.

Wrong

There is 1 client side change (the placeholder models) and 1 server side change (affinity culling).

Again, complaining about your client not being able to keep up while playing on a 2010mbp is just facepalm worthy.

I’m not complaining. I like the change.

I think the update stated that it was not a fix to culling, which is server side. I think the new system sets priorities for what loads first on the user end, and that users of high end computers really shouldn’t notice too much of a difference.

The culling in the above video isn’t bad at all compared to what I’m used to.

I play WvW in NA tier 1 where there are massive battles all the time. The new culling system is a huge improvement over the old one. I no longer run blindly into enemy zergs because I can actually see them. I see placeholders for about 20 of my teammates, which is fine. Everything seems to be working as it should be. I run a low spec MacBook Pro 2010.

nekos.2584:

Minoru.1237:

If wm goes anywhere they should go to blackgate. They are organized. they understand why you would need assignments to cover all borders and not pile into Ehatever border you want. You’d help strengthen them for t1. They are already really strong but need some reinforcements to take the top spot.

They would actually set BG back. I fought against Kaineng and WM on a low tier server and for the few hours a night my guild would bring out 15 people + the 10 – 15 others that tagged along, we would steam roll them. They were pretty much relegated to their keeps with all the siege equipment. I’m now on JQ and fighting against BG and my god those guys are on a whole other level !

I disagree with you, and I’ve been on JQ since launch. I guess you weren’t around when they were on sbi, because they were always a sight to behold.

If wm goes anywhere they should go to blackgate. They are organized. they understand why you would need assignments to cover all borders and not pile into Ehatever border you want. You’d help strengthen them for t1. They are already really strong but need some reinforcements to take the top spot.

sostronk.8167:

Thobek.1730:

sostronk.8167:

Esqi.8496:

So which guilds are leaving SoS???

None that I know of. No notable ones anyway. Probably the biggest issue I see guild wise in SOS is a commander quit the game (Patone). IMO he is the best commander I have ever played with or against. His guild had a following of ~600. Its dropped to about 400 members now. Some formed new guilds. Either way his leadership was a big loss.

We lost a fair few pugs who went to JQ, although IMO that is a good thing in the long run as it frees up space to potentially bring in another big organized guild.

what happened to him? he was a good commander. did he burn out?

Thats the word. One day hes on 18 hours a day, suddenly he never logs in and apparently burnt out and turned leadership in guild over to others.

18 hours a day is a lot. Sounds like someone gave him a video game intervention.

Star Ace.5207:

Minoru.1237:

Guardian and Elementalist healing builds have been on Anets watch list for quite some time. Consider the lack of cleric’s ascended gear an indirect nerf meant to address the concerns of many WvW players about elementalists and guardians being able to reset fights every 10 seconds. Because everyone will want ascended gear to stay competitive, the introduction of the ascended line sans the cleric option is probably Anet’s quick solution to the vexing problem of fixing those powerful healing builds; now they won’t need to delve into the perilous and time consuming task of redesigning the class skills and traits from the ground up.

I mean no offense, but according to who? There’s no “indirect nerf” at all, since we are not forced to use Ascended gear outside the Fractals, and our current exotic Healing gear is BETTER than all available options with Healing Power. In fact, I have never heard that Healing Power is OP-most threads bash Healing Power endlessly, deeming it an “useless stat”. And having maximum Healing Power means we are sacrificing something else (usually either hit points, defense, power, and/or critical chance) so there are drawbacks to having such a big Healing Power, even in Ascended form when finally available. We have NO evidence that the developers plan to never implement Cleric’s or other common stat combos in the future, and much less that they want to steer away people from “uber” Healing Power builds (which don’t exist in the first place-I don’t even use maximum Healing Power nowadays, while do still focus on high heals-around 1398-9-and support)-the same would apply to Knight’s, Carrion’s, etc. so that conspiracy theory holds no water.

In short, that you find healing builds difficult to counter doesn’t mean that ANet agrees with you and is looking into eliminating them altogether. Honestly, most people HATE healing power (probably the reason why it’s not have yet been implemented, though that does not explain the lack of Knight’s or the addition of the other odd stat combinations), so I can’t see what is so “OP” about Healing Power at all, and much less that the developers would agree with you.

There’s no way Healing Ascended Gear will create any “Healer role”, so don’t worry about that.

It’s a hypothesis and not a conspiracy theory, and it’s according to whom, not who. The concern over cleric’s gear has nothing to do with creating a healer role. Do you play WvW or sPvP? I’d think not from your post. Also, you’re making a lot of assumptions, among which is the erroneous statement that I have a hard time countering healing builds.

The fact is my main is an elementalist, and I can tell you from experience healing power scales incredibly well with evasive arcana and signet of restoration builds. The most popular ele build currently is an all cleric’s gear d/d build. Did you know that?

I heal for over 2200 just for attuning to water, and gain another 2400 health from dodging. That’s 4,600 without using a heal skill every ten seconds. It basically resets the damage anyone does to me. Whether you believe it or not many people have raised concerns about the healing capabilities of eles and guardians. Bunker eles and guardians are also on Anet’s watch list. They have posted about this several times. In the last state of the game address there were even suggestions from top tier players that evasive arcana undergo a redesign, removing the heal while keeping the condition clear.

You’re right that we don’t know whether cleric’s gear will be implemented in the future, but I think I can make an educated guess that they won’t increase the stats that are already on exotic cleric’s gear until they think of a way to redesign how healing scales on those two professions.

It’s silly that they could drop even if they come in second. I’d like to hear what BG players think: Would you guys prefer to stay in T1 to fight SoR or would you rather drop to dominate T2 and thus get back to T1 faster?

They need to gain 16.495 rating. I think that might be a lot, but I’m hoping it’s possible.

Well, BG I hope you get enough points to stay in for the next match. BG, SoR, JQ sounds like fun.

Well, the necro forum hasn’t really helped me decide on a build. I run the hybrid juggermancer build and have about 1700 toughness, 1800 power, and 1000 condition damage, and I just can’t kill anything at all. Most players on the necro forum seem despondent with the current state of the necro, and I have to concur. I have yet to find a viable build in either spvp or wvw that would enable me to win against any other class. In my experience pistol/dagger thieves stack more conditions faster than my necro.

I have all three leveled, but I cannot win 1v1s with my necro at all. Also, I have never had trouble killing a necro with my ele. Just putting that out there.

Bikini clad TC zerg? Pictures please.

Secondly the matches were reasonably close over the last few months and JQ gaining a few extra numbers would of made for some interesting close matches in the upcoming weeks. BG probably could of done with a few more bandwagoning guilds than both SoS and JQ – but that didn’t happen.

I agree that there have been some close games, but there have also been some very lopsided blowouts and several games that ended with insurmountable leads. For the sake of clarity let’s say that a close game would end in a 10-15k difference, because anything like a 20k lead would be almost insurmountable by Wednesday.

11/17-24 Sea of Sorrows: 235,030 / Jade Quarry: 201,563
11/24-12/01 — Sea of Sorrows: 235,327 / Jade Quarry: 169,470 blowout
01-08 — Sea of Sorrows: 225,137 / Jade Quarry: 208,392 17k difference closeish
08-15 — Sea of Sorrows: 216, 884 / Jade Quarry: 213,263 close game <-—
15-22 — Sea of Sorrows: 254, 305 / Jade Quarry: 153, 790 blow out 100k difference
22-29 — Sea of Sorrows: 225, 322 / Jade Quarry: 207,913 18k difference closeish
12/29-01/05 — Sea of Sorrows: 188,027 / Jade Quarry: 280,427 blowout 92k difference
05-12 — Sea of Sorrows: 250,720 / Jade Quarry: 212, 964 37k difference
12-19 — Sea of Sorrows: 233,254 / Jade Quarry: 204,540 28k difference
19-26 — Sea of Sorrows: 232,012 / Jade Quarry: 222,304 close game <-—

In nine weeks I see only two to four games that I would consider close, and more games with large point differences in favor of SoS. This all depends on where you draw the line for a close game, of course.

In any case, Jade Quarry has lost every match up with SoS execpt for one for more than two months. I definitely don’t remember the kind of histrionics we are seeing here on the match-up thread during that time. Some players should just accept that you can’t win every game, and that winning should actually be a challenge. Now you have one. Rejoice!

Guardian and Elementalist healing builds have been on Anets watch list for quite some time. Consider the lack of cleric’s ascended gear an indirect nerf meant to address the concerns of many WvW players about elementalists and guardians being able to reset fights every 10 seconds. Because everyone will want ascended gear to stay competitive, the introduction of the ascended line sans the cleric option is probably Anet’s quick solution to the vexing problem of fixing those powerful healing builds; now they won’t need to delve into the perilous and time consuming task of redesigning the class skills and traits from the ground up.

The Mesmer skill veil is more problematic than aoe on its own in wvw. When combined with aoe and culling it allows a group of 15 people to destroy upwards of 30 plus people in under five seconds. You can’t evade or attack what you can’t see or target. Those fights are no fun.

I’ll second that. Can we get a Feisty score update please.