Guild Wars 2

StevenL.3761:

If you’re gonna dismiss the circumstances under which I did what I did then we cannot have a meaningful conversation.

The only circumstances you’ve provided thus far are

• You “cheated” (Which is a broad term. How did you cheat? Botting UW? Throwing GVG matches?)

• You were young

I was 16 when I started Gw1 and i knew cheating would get you permanently banned.

No…that is perfectly normal.

People getting +70FPS arent getting them in World Events or at the Forge. Also,they aren’t getting those FPS with “everything maxed”.

• Turn shadows down to high or medium
• Character model limit and quality to medium/high
• Reflections on Terrain and Sky
• Native Sample Resolution

Those are the hardest hitting settings and the most un-optimized in the case of shadows.

Also,unless you’re running a 144hz monitor, there’s zero use for +60fps. If anything,you’ll just get screen tearing and extra heat from your GPU.

Multitasking is fine for me. HD YouTube Video(just not 8k), VLC Media Player, Firefox, gw2 and more all at once.

i5 4690k @4.2, 8gb G.skill Ripjaw, r7 260x 2gb.

Behellagh.1468:

Can someone explain the Aluminum Can reference because I’m thinking it’s a generation gap thing.

He’s saying our PCs are no better than soda cans because we dont/cant run 4k

I think its a language barrier thing. These days,in most corners of the web, it’s called having a Potato for a PC.

EthanLightheart.9168:

bump topic, want an answer from the officials, not a few envious people playing with aluminium cans.

Check your privilege, pal.

These aren’t replies from envious people with “aluminium cans”.

For one; Behellagh.1468 has been a constant presence in the Techsupport section(and others) for years. He has a pretty good idea what he’s talking about. Not to mention he has a pretty great rig,iirc.

Two; The reply he gave you is more straightforward than anything id expect from anet. Unless,of course, they have a 4k UI ready to go in a week or two. Then you’d get a useful reply.

If they don’t have a 4K UI very close to being launched,the best reply you can hope for from them is "Ready when it’s ready " or "Soon™ ".

Don’t use Auto Detect and I, personally, wouldn’t use Raptr at all to “optimize”.

Try setting everything to high but turning down,

• Shadows- Medium would probably do best on your CPU+GPU

• Reflections- Terrain and Sky or None,I normally use none even when my average FPS is +50 because it can cause some serious dips with quick camera movements.

• Native Sampling

• Uncheck Best Texture Filtering.

• Character Quality and Max Characters- Medium

Dont expect a solid 60FPS in most areas, your CPU is holding GW2 back a lot, but that should be better since those are the heaviest performance impacting settings.

This isn’t the place to get an anet employee to assist you about account transfers…that would be Customer Assistance.

Inculpatus’ replies haven’t been “pointless”,they’re on point as far as I know.

The CS team has not made any special exceptions for players wanting to transfer servers to be with their guild, military service or not.

Does 3D work in other games currently?

If I remember correctly,there’s a seperate package you have to install while installing AMD Drivers for Stereoscopic 3D.

If you have that and the option is still greyed out…I have no idea. I have zero experience with this.

Does it make a difference that it’s the OC version?

Not much at all.

They’re still just about even in performance,with the 650Ti Boost doing better in some aspects.

Take the Memory Bandwidth. The 650 Ti Boost has 2gb vRAM over a 192bit bus with a 1502 MHz memory clock equaling 144 GB/s memory bandwidth.

The 750 Ti has 2gb vRAM over a 128bit bus with a 1350 MHz memory clock equaling 86.4 GB/s. The 650 Ti Boost is always going to be stronger here.

The “OC” on your card,however,is the Core. Here’s the Database entry for the ASUS 750Ti OC

The important bits to look at there is the Pixel and Texture Fill Rates.

Regular 750Ti

• Pixel Rate: 16.3 GigaPixel/s
• Texture Rate: 40.8 GigaTexel/s

ASUS OC 750Ti

• Pixel Rate: 17.2 GigaPixel/s
• Texture Rate: 42.9 GigaTexel/s

And the 650 Ti Boost

• Pixel Rate: 15.7 GigaPixel/s
• Texture Rate: 62.7 GTexel/s

The 750 Ti having a better Pixel Fill Rate than the 650Ti Boost can be attributed to its more efficient Algorithms and higher Core Clock while it being so much weaker on the Texture fill Rates can be attributed to the fewer ROPS and TMUs.

Actually, the Phenom II line wasn’t much worse than the Bulldozer line in the important(to Gw2) aspect; Single core performance/IPC.

And your old GPU is, in a few aspects, stronger than your new GPU. If you had upgraded from a normal 650Ti to a 750 Ti,it would have been a marginal upgrade. Some would consider it more of a side-grade. But the 650Ti boost isn’t a normal 650 Ti.

Here’s the 650 Ti score in 3Dmark 11. P-Score=4747

And here’s the 750,750Ti and 650 Ti Boost scores for 3DMark 11. P-Score= 5187,5777, and 6043, respectively.

The Boost beats the 750Ti in a few aspects but that can be narrowed down to optimizations made to the architecture because as you can see from these TechPowerUp database entries, The Boost has more or the same amount of hardware(ROPs,TMUs,Shader Units and a larger Memory Bus)as the 750 Ti.

650 Ti Boost

750 Ti

And the normal 650 Ti just for fun.

In conclusion; your performance with the new system seems to be just about the same as others using AMD Processors in Gw2 and your old system did not have a constant 60fps unless you were standing in an empty field somewhere.

There’s no PC to date that can keep a steady 60fps while actually playing the game where more than 20 people are present.

Lag spikes might be attributed by the newish “Texture Streaming” function in GW2.

Instead of loading every map/object/texture when you come in contact with it(usually loading into a zone), it can download data missing from your Gw2.dat while you’re “idle”. There’s another setting,“Max”,that will try to use as much bandwidth as possible to download missing files.

As for “Bugs”..you’d have to be way more specific.

0 Ping? What arcane magic is this!?

Also, I’m 100% sure I’ve seen posts complaining about UI size under 4K rez. So it does “work”, for windows at least.

Did you remove the card when you installed the new CPU? If not,you probably bumped it out of place while doing so.

Surprisingly common how often these link speed problems crop up after cleaning the GPU or replacing/moving something in the case.

That thread is painful to read…So many blind expectations.

There’s a few settings,in-game, that pretty much kills performance for everyone. Including those with beasty Haswell-R 5960x CPUs and TITAN X GPUs.

Try lowering;

• Character limits/quality. 100’s of characters,or even 10s of them if using high def armors+max quality, will really strain the main thread of Gw2. Which will directly correlate to your average FPS.

• Shadows. Shadows on Ultra seems to cause a decent amount of frame-time latency

• Reflections (Terrain and Sky if any at all)

In short: No.

It’s not technically a laptop,its a “notebook” which is geared towards low power-use applications such a word documents and web browsing and maybe occasional movie watching. Laptops are the more powerful,portable PCs that use much more energy.

The APU is very entry level,as well as the GPU.

I hate to use this site,but just for the sake of comparisons.

Here’s the PassMark score on the 8180 ,the GPU on your APU. =196 marks

And here’s the PassMark of the sub-$100 750Ti =3,687 marks

And here’s the PassMark for the AMD r9 270x =4,530 marks

Which can be had for around $30 more.

I wouldn’t suggest playing Gw2 with any thing less than a 750Ti,it’s possible but not great. Your APU is just too far away in terms of power.

Edit: In case you want to try anyway. You can download the client off the website,you dont need a physical disk.

Game still works fine for me. Just as it did a week ago,a month before then and so on.

So if it just keeps getting worse,that’s your fault.

First off,that video is a pretty terrible way to show performance/specs/settings by itself. And we still dont know what GPU/CPU you have.

Pictures would get you more views/replies.

Secondly, your settings, from what I could see, aren’t optimal. Certain options like Reflections, Shadows and Best Texture Filtering can really kill FPS with little to no visual improvement. Turn reflections to Terrain and Sky to start with,might need to drop more depending on your GPU.

And last but not least! Your CPU is getting throttled like mad. The highest clock speed I observed was 3.42ghz but it was usually running at .77ghz,or 770mhz,which is terrible for any recent CPU while gaming and is the largest part of your performance problems.

Summary; we need a list of your CPU specifications and screenshots of GPU-Z while GW2 is running. For now look into Power Profiles, i have a feeling you’re running a Low Power/Power Saver setting.

Edit: And temperatures, grab HWMonitor and watch your CPU temps while gaming. Post a screen shot of it here after running for a few minutes.

AMD supports it too,they call it Virtual Super Resolution.

Playing Gw2 @1440 downscaled to 1080p on a 260×.

From your motherboards spec page,it says it has 3 PCI-Express slots.

• 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x16 (PCIEX16)
• 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x8 (PCIEX8)
• 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x4 (PCIEX4)

Usually the full speed x16 slot is nearest to the CPU socket(the “top slot”). That’s where you want your GPU.

If it’s already in that slot,you might try the next PCIE slot down. Some motherboards are making the full speed slot the 2nd to give the GPU more clearance from the CPU heatsink.

Your GPU is running in PCI-E x16 1.1 mode. It will reduce link speed when idle but you said that’s with Gw2 running in the background.

Is it in the PCIE slot closest to the CPU?

abomally.2694:

MrFayth.3546:

Your GPU-Z screen shows its only running in 8x mode. Is it installed in the PCI-E slot closest to the CPU? That’s generally the full speed x16 slot,though some manufacturers are making the x16 the 2nd PCI-E slot to give the GPU more room between the CPU heatsink+fan.

It’s because he’s running two GPUs in SLI, so the 8X is OK.

Oh i missed the SLI part in OP.

Even more strange,now.

Going to need to see System specifications,ingame graphic settings screenshots,GPU-Z Screenshots and areas ingame where you’re experiencing these FPS.

Cant hardly help when all the info we’re given is “Game broke,plz fix now”…

Samarak.7519:

MrFayth.3546:

Your GPU-Z screen shows its only running in 8x mode. Is it installed in the PCI-E slot closest to the CPU? That’s generally the full speed x16 slot,though some manufacturers are making the x16 the 2nd PCI-E slot to give the GPU more room between the CPU heatsink+fan.

Pci express 3.0 at 8x is equal to 2.0 x16. No cards use that bandwidth yet.

I’m aware he’s not choking for bandwidth. I’m just trying to reduce the number of factors that could lead to such suboptimal performance for a 4790k+780ti.

And then there’s this

Got the ingame mail from Aiti last night.

Stating that i was an invalid recipient of GWAMM and my points have been revoked..but I never had GWAMM,invalid or not,and my points arent revoked. Im still at the 40 points I earned with all my skins available.

Had me worried for a second.

alicatrawz.9567:

you’ve tried the ‘interface size’ options in the settings menu… right?

EthanLightheart.9168:

I need a magnifiying glass to even read the text when the interface is set on “larger”.

And as Behellagh said; you’re one of the very few who play Gw2 @4k. High end systems don’t have an easy time keeping acceptable FPS at 1440 or 1080p during large events/wvw.

Don’t expect a “Larger large” option any time soon..it could happen,but dont hold your breath.

Your GPU-Z screen shows its only running in 8x mode. Is it installed in the PCI-E slot closest to the CPU? That’s generally the full speed x16 slot,though some manufacturers are making the x16 the 2nd PCI-E slot to give the GPU more room between the CPU heatsink+fan.

There’s not much fixing to be done in a laptop with only an Intel HD 4400.

It’s not a bug.

R7 260x with AMD 15.7 drivers and no issues here.

Meletios.7319:

Go to Control Panel>Power Options and check the High Performance. If you had it on power saver it reduces the speed (Ghz) of your cpu. I hope this helps.

But this will make your CPU run at 100% speed all the time,which isn’t optimal either.

Go to the power options as suggested but check “Balanced”
Select Change plan Settings then select Change advanced power settings.

In the new window scroll down to find Processor power management,expand and make sure the Maximum processor state is 100% and your cooling policy is Active.

I’d edit that opening post to include full system specifications(CPU,GPU,RAM,Motherboard,Powersupply and Windows version) because it will be asked for.

Installed 15.7’s a few weeks ago and didn’t notice any adverse effects in performance in Gw2 or any other games,infact the minimal FPS seems to have increased on average.

iirc; Didn’t Win10 have serious troubles with 15.7?

I didn’t look too far into it because I dont plan on using Win10 for a while. Might be something for you to look into if you are running Win10.

Bunch of diehard whiteknight (you know I’m talking to you) and corporate shill defenses in this thread.

Just another Dev you can’t put enough trust in to make pre-ordering a safe bet.

Anet is hovering just over Rocksteady and Ubisoft on my meter of trustworthy/competent Developers now.

Katreyn.4218:

But after manually changing the overclocking speed down to 750 hz in the Catalyst control center. Never seen the weird graphics issue again.

You downclocked what to 750mhz? Core or Memory? Either is suboptimal given the card is relatively weak to begin with.

My Sapphire r7 260x run Gw2 fine @ 1180 Core and 1690 Memory.

Advent Leader.1083:

I’d ask what Catalyst version you’re on atm, because it’s probably some wonky voodoo happening on the driver’s backend, seeing as Win 7’s DX stuff’s pretty stable, especially if other games on your computer don’t behave that bad.

They solved it,temporarily at least.

Overheating vRAM.

I’ve always seen anomalies like this when a GPUs memory clock is unstable or the vRAM is over heating.

Have you cleaned your GPU recently? The vRAM chips onboard usually have their own heatsinks but they aren’t cooled by the fan nearly as well as the GPU Core is(due to them being offset and not directly under the fan).

I would try cleaning the Finstacks on the GPU,they can get obstructed by dust very easily. If that doesn’t work,try to underclock your GPU Memory by 10-15mhz.

Though to be fair. I also see almost this exact “Polygon stretching” effect in GTAV no matter if i have my r7 260x OC’ed(1175/1670) or underclocked(1050/1500) while no other games give me any anomalies.

They do need more UI options in general. Id like to be able to customize my HUD like you could in Gw1! Now that was a pretty robust system.

Even with lager,much over 1440p is very hard to read.

I’ve heard many reports of frame loss(not FPS loss,really) with the new drivers. One case was SLI TITAN X’s losing frames,like you described,in Project CARS.

No personal experience,as I have an AMD card,but I hear the “GTAV” Optimized drivers(not sure the number) were the last stable drivers without frame skipping issues.

Well..TIL,I guess.

Looked through my folders and there’s no “music”,though.

Nope.
Never had that functionality that I know of,in Gw1 or 2.
You could always just mute Gw2 sound and pull up VLC or WMP though.

Gaming Evolved is crapware,imo.

It might be ok if you have zero idea what your PC is capable of. But that doesn’t apply to most of us playing Gw2.

Without some technical specifications, we can’t do much to diagnose the issue.

I’ve had no problem playing in SW or drytop

The first thing that I’d do is use Speccy or a similar monitoring tool and keep an eye on your system temps when the fans start to pick up speed.

Is the VGA->HDMI monitor your main monitor and the one the game plays on?

These adapters have to be “powered” or “active” to convert analog(VGA) to digital(HDMI/DPORT/DVI) signals. You might have got a shoddy adapter?

Edit; i keep forgetting you said other games work fine..still it might be something to look into.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

My two monitors are both connected to the only connections I have on the back of my pc, which would be the motherboard. As for GPU drivers, I haven’t touched those, and don’t think I should.

What? I hope you’re mistaken.
Judging by your Stated system specs and your GPU-Z Screenshot,you have an HD6950 and definitely have dedicated HDMI/DVI/VGA/DPORT connections.

If that’s the speed while idle on the desktop,that’s fine.

If that’s during Gw2,yet other games push the cores to full speed, something is amiss.

Not sure what would cause the discrepancy,what model of CPU and Motherboard do you have? My first inclination would be the C-states in your BIOS but if you havent changed/updated anything before or after Gw2s performance took its fall..im unsure.

They only use less RAM because they’re forced too,as 32bit can only utilize 4GB of RAM total.

The point is,in an environment free of bottlenecks and limitations, Gw2 wants +2GB RAM.

VaLee.5102:

Defrag is only useful for load times, won’t have any performance gains at runtime.

Untill you run into textures that arent stored in the vRAM/RAM and have to pull from the HDD,forcing the CPU/GPU to call and draw the texture immediately.

It’s referred to as texture “pop-in” and it can cause FPS degradation,depending on a number of factors.

Your CPU will “downclock” to save power and create less heat when it feels the full speed isnt needed. These are called “Power States”.

I’ve never heard of Argus Monitor…I’d try CPU-Z to verify that the clocks are going full speed while GW2 is running. There’s 0 reason it shouldn’t be at max unless its over heating.

Also,after a large patch and if you have Gw2 on a HDD,you might try Defragging the Hard drive. Use a 3rd party tool,like Auslogics Defragger, to ensure the Gw2.dat is in good order.

You might try using a 3rd party defragging tool,as Windows Defragger wont touch files larger than 2 or 3 gb and the GW2.dat is +20gb. I use Auslogics Defragger.

About Chrome,i have little personal experience with it but from what ive heard,it likes to use multiple processes(ive seen 8 instances).

Well it actually looks good. It’s going to need to work your processor to pull 40-60fps in Gw2.
Mine looks kind of similar while its running.

If you’re having issues with responsiveness of programs while Gw2 is running,you might try killing a few of those User tasks. I see 121 Processes in that last image.With Gw2 and a browser open i’ve only got 56 Processes(including monitoring programs such as MSI AB+RTSS,Keyboard/mouse profile software,Catalyst Control Center and such).