Guild Wars 2

Roo Stercogburn.9671:

All done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V52mcZkThxs

That is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen!

Good job, mate.

@ich AS didn’t outman RoS 5:1. I’d say around 2:1, before we got transfers.

However to my memory AS had lots of heart. They were mostly disorganized zerglings, but with heart.

You gotta give your people motivational speech!

Couple days behind and I already love UW. Lots of solo and small scale good fights <3

drkn.3429:

Noss. It’s the [RiOT] people who started whining about ‘blobbing’, teaming up with other guilds from the same server, and other silly things. Remarks about you doing so were merely counterattacks by using your own arguments against you.
I appreciate that you’ve finally noticed it’s not the most evil thing out there.

Have fun in the new week guys o/

Well, RiOT is a bunch of individuals(shocker!), each with their own opinion about blobs. I’m mostly honored and amused when our enemy brings force 2-5 times bigger than our group to get rid of us.

What I wanted to clear out was the claim that RiOT always runs with VcY and DEX.

Maybe you’ve just been unlucky(or lucky ) for not running on RiOT only group. I don’t run much with zergs, but I’ve been in RiOT only(+ few randoms) group many times.

I don’t really see the problem in grouping with people from other guilds. Especially at resets when the zergs are so huge.

It’s not like [PRXM] always runs alone.

Yorric Hunt.8214:

Also kinda surprised RiOT are claiming they only ever run with 2-3 pugs. Is this a typo and you mean 2-3 pug zergs?

If it’s guild raid, our commander usually runs without tag. We try to get rid of pugs, but it doesn’t always work.

Ofc sometimes our commanders run pug zergs too.

Rhymelark.4396:

Big grats to RoS for taking the number one spot this week

You’re not supposed to do that!

Had to empty my necro’s bags 3 times in couple hours tonight in EB. Thanks GH!

Matchup is sadly coming to an end. I’ll miss Gunnar’s Hold, but also looking forward to fighting new people.

Tried with same settings, but didn’t help. Thanks anyway
Well, It’s no biggie really. I guess it gets fixed soon(ish).

Khisanth.2948:

Noss.4105:

Same thing with my mesmer.

Khisanth.2948:

Not sure what you are trying to get at here. All skills with an activation will cancel when you dodge roll.

He means autoattack. Before patch, if you were autoattacking with #1, then dodge rolled, the autoattack would continue after the dodge.

Still working here.

Tested with longbow and Sword.
Longbow tested in open field.

Sword tested in open field versus mobile(dolyak) and mostly immobile target(wurm) and with back to a wall.
Against a mobile target it stops auto attacking until the target back in range either because it walked towards me or I walked towards it.
Against an immobile target it stop auto attacking because I am now out of range but this has always been how it behaved. If I walk back into range it will resume the auto attack.
With back to a wall I stay in range so it just keeps attacking as expected.

None of that seems to be a change from the usual.

That’s odd. My mesmer stops autoattacking every time I dodge roll, even if I’m in range the whole time.

Khisanth.2948:

Is it only players that you can’t select with right click?

Yep. Like I wrote on my post, it works fine on NPCs.

Same thing with my mesmer.

Khisanth.2948:

Not sure what you are trying to get at here. All skills with an activation will cancel when you dodge roll.

He means autoattack. Before patch, if you were autoattacking with #1, then dodge rolled, the autoattack would continue after the dodge.

I was about to make a thread about this too.
As you said, it’s not game breaking. But it’s pretty annoying, as I’m used to target with right-click.
Right-clicking seems to work on NPCs with no problem.

Malkavian.3751:

Updated post to include recent thief nerf and/or bug fix

It wasn’t a nerf, it was a bug fix.

+1
I’ve also wondered the same thing.

Steelo.4597:

nobody said a kitten word about alliance except surmians. stop it. my word was this: both servers are focusing on us. nothing more, nothing less. how this occurred is so irrelevant… its just that i wanted my experience from game (i look at the map during saturday / sunday while i was commanding a dozen hours or more) confirmed by my opponents. nothing more to discuss here about this.

You also said RiOT commander works with enemy(Dz I guess).
And that RoS and Dz haven’t touched eachother. (You said this is a fact, but I’m 100% sure this is false, since I’ve fought Dz many times in this match)

I honestly have no idea why I bother arguing with you…

Steelo.4597:

Noss, you are fighting your own scapegoat. search “alliance” on this thread.

You do make it sound a lot like alliance.
According to you RoS and DZ have an agreement to focus all their power to GH.

…your guild commander works together with enemy…

Steelo.4597:

…id even call it a full server effort of both servers…

Also, when I asked “You got some evidence about this “alliance”?”. You replied:

Noss.. are you denying?

No one still hasn’t shown any proof about this alliance.

GH won last week because they begged all major guilds on both sides to go easy on them. This is a fact.
I don’t really have any proof, but It’s still a fact.

Steelo.4597:

Noss is that you after you found out your guild commander works together with enemy because he does not want to LOSE AGAIN? we went some miles to win last week, so just to be expected you do the same.. in your Surmian way

You got some evidence about this “alliance”? I haven’t heard anything about it.
Correct if I’m wrong, but I don’t think we lost last match. I believe we were second.

I run Staff + Sword/Torch, 20/20/0/0/30 atm. Mix of knight, cavalier and zerker, rabid staff and zerker s/t.
I think mesmer vs. mesmer fights are pretty fun, although they can be very long ones.

Couple things that I’ve learned:
-The fights are mostly about cooldowns, and how each manages them. Try to force the other guy to use more defensive CDs than you.
-Counter your opponent’s stealth with your own.
-iLeap → BF+Shatter doesn’t usually work. Use iLeap to bait BF/Distortion/Blink, and try leap+BF+Shatter when you think he has to eat it.
-Sword autoattack is great, and sword clones are easier to shatter.
-Use Blink, BF or Phase Retreat+dodge to clones to counter his leap+bf+shatter.

I personally don’t have much trouble beating GS mesmers. iZerker is pretty easy to dodge, and they lack the survivability of staff.

ExZee.8109:

Be very aggressive.

This. Try to make him/her burn all defensive cooldowns.
Most mesmers are also very vulnerable to conditions.
Turtle up when you get immobilized. Blurred Frenzy + Shatter will usually follow that.

What I’ve learned scrolling thief forums:

-All thieves are uberskilled players
-Everyone else is a noob
-Thieves can only kill bad and upleveled players
-Thief is okay, because it’s worse than all other professions combined

But seriously. Only thing about thieves I find ridiculously OP is D/P. It’s like the lamest thing ever. Atleast D/D thieves have to land C&D to stealth.
Fix to that would be to remove the leap finisher on HS.

I’m sure there’s many people like me in RoS who just couldn’t be arsed to play yesterday because of the crashes. Winning this match wouldn’t change anything for us.

Hyung.6140:

Serious constructive question – what would you like us to do differently that would change your opinion of us as a community?

Respect our efforts and stop the flaming. I do have respect to GH, as they seem to be tight community and stand together. But you can still do that while respecting your enemies.
I’m not saying RoS has any better manners in forums at the moment. Maybe this mostly rotten relationship can’t be fixed

I personally don’t care that much what’s going on here, as long the fights in game are good. And that they have been.

Sandro.3694:

I’ve personnaly seen many servers, played against many too, but one thing is sure GH you have the worst community ever from an outside point of view…

Totally agree.
I’ve ran into lots of good guys from GH, but reading this thread makes me facepalm… a lot.
Atleast to me GH community made a really bad first impression when RoS came into this tier.

edit: The reason may be that GH was bitter when we came to this tier and kinda dominated it, because we had the potential to be 1-2 tiers above after the transfers.

sendmark.4731:

Noss.4105:

zonderbon.5871:

What exactly are you referring to?

I think he’s referring to the hours after reset when both GH and DZ focused RoS.
How nice of him to see things in Surmia’s perspective

There’s a big difference between random focus, which in the case of reset was down to RoS simply being weak so every time you got pushed you crumbled, and a focus due to an arrangement between guilds on teamspeak to pvdoor.

That was meant to be joke, thus the wink smiley. I take all the whining and delusional alliance “facts” as jokes in this thread, or atleast I try to.

P.S. Maybe, just maybe the reason RoS was weak in RoS BL, was because we were outmanned there after the reset.

zonderbon.5871:

What exactly are you referring to?

I think he’s referring to the hours after reset when both GH and DZ focused RoS.
How nice of him to see things in Surmia’s perspective

First time in ages we have this good match, and now it’s ruined because of the crashes. I’m glad the matchup stays the same next week :P

Can’t remember the last time we had this good matchup! Had some good and tough fights with GH while solo roaming.
Special thanks to that charr Engi from [bau](i think) for good duels. You were almost as tough as Drakeco Dustslinger!
To all the whiners: It always seems that only your enemies use cheap tactics and blob etc. because you dont pay attention to your own server as much as your enemies. It’s bullpoo that only honest and “leet” players choose server X, and all the blobbing pathetic noob zerglings choose server Y.

Thanks buddy.
I’ll keep an eye on north east camp for pesky ninjas in the future when I’m playing

It’s May Day in Finland and we’re kinda obligated to get wasted today, so I better get to it.
Laters. \o

Yeah, for sure the confusion will drop my overall damage a bit, since all my shatters put 1 stack per clone. My burst will definitely drop a lot, since I usually try to time Cry of Frustration just before going for burst to hopefully get couple confusion ticks when enemy tries to react to the pressure. But I feel mesmers are overall pretty strong atm, so I’m not too concerned about it.
Maybe people start ignoring confusion more if the damage doesn’t look so intimidating, and that could actually boost the damage, who knows. Patch will tell.
I’m gonna roll with the same build after the patch and start tweaking it as I play.

Amadeus.5687:

Ahh awesome!! Glad to meet you! Was super fun to fight with you! You actually how me totally fooled the first two – three duels because I thought you for a Shatter Power build, mostly because you ran a sword in main hand! So when I suddenly bursted myself to death from confusion I was like, wtf
100+ duels with Osicat trainned me a lot on the memser animations, so it helps me out a lot to avoid the worst spikes! tho, you was really good at it! so was a blast fighting you hehe

But yeah, I moved to Gunnar’s Hold with my guild for about 3 weeks ago now! So it is kinda new there!

I’m kinda hybrid specced. Most of my gear is knight/valkyrie/PVT, and sometimes a bit of Rabid. I got Rabid staff and 30 in Illusions, so those alone give me close to 500 condi damage.
I can imagine 100+ duels with Osi teach you to handle the pressure, and put some back. His playstyle is pretty aggressive.

PS. Prybar so strong!

Hey mate,
I was the “frustrating mesmer” on your latest video.
After the first couple fights we had I actually said in guild chat that I just fought the best engineer I’ve ever seen. I’ve watched some of your vids before, but didn’t know you played on Gunnar’s Hold.
I kept fighting and looking for 1v1s with you because it’s rare to see condi engis in WvW, and really rare to see very good ones. Condition engineers and necros are usually really tough for me, and I love the challenge :P
You got excellent eye for mesmers, and it was often hard to spike you. In the end I think I managed something like 30-35% win rate before I logged off. I’m good with that
Keep up the good work!

-The self knockdown removed from rocket boots.
-Gadget cooldowns lowered a bit.
-Slick shoes toolbelt skill changed to leap, where the engi would slide like 1000+ units forward, like a boss.
-Speedy kits changed to grant 5s swiftness every 5 seconds while in any kit. Then a bug along with this that prevents swiftness from Speedy Kits to gain bonus boon duration from runes/traits.

What I expect? In addition to what was mentioned in SoTG, few bug fixes and probably couple small nerfs.

I quite like this idea. I think the duration is too much tho, considering how easy it is to boost our confusion duration.
+1

I believe that if confusion damage would’ve been -50% of current from the start, no one would be crying it doesn’t do enough damage. In PvP atleast.

Staff clones can actually do quite a bit of condition damage with Winds of Chaos and sharpen images.
But yeah, clones are mostly fuel for shatters and to distract some people.

A bit yeah, I guess.
I love complex classes in most MMOs, and those often tend to be underdogs/weaker.
Also I hate when my class/character is somehow OP, because I don’t get as much satisfaction when I succeed with it.

Hexxen.7216:

Sorry I wasn’t clear. When I said TRUE Winds of Chaos I meant that the clones done get the additional bounce from the Illusions Master Trait.

No, you didn’t. You said:

Also other than the Staff2, DE and Mirror Images clones don’t cast a true staff attack.

None of those clones get the additional bounce from Illusionary Elasticity. Therefore none of those clones you mentioned cast this “TRUE” staff attack.

I change colors about every time I log in.

@selan I’m not saying you should spec into condi, play whatever you enjoy the most. Just because shatter mesmers are really good, doesn’t make condition mesmers suck compared to other profession’s condi specs. It’s no news that direct damage is most of the times more reliable than condi damage. That goes for all professions.
@Dawdler I doubt that. I understand you’re upset about the nerf, but atleast try to post something that makes sense.
@Hexxen Those are pretty much the skills that we use to make clones. Decoy clone also casts winds of chaos, I believe. Can you list the clones that don’t cast winds of chaos that you spawn with staff?

On a sidenote I think Cry of Frustration could use a duration buff to compensate the pretty harsh -50% damage cut.
At base a full CoF shatter does 3 stacks of confusion with 3s duration, 30s cooldown.
Prybar does 5 stacks of confusion with 5s duration, 15s cooldown.

I think you could get better performance with the 40% condi duration + 70 condi damage food(Rare veggie pizza), than with your current.

selan.8354:

yes i use staff so which condition does more than nothing dmg with it?imagine a bleeding spec thief…and now thake the mesmer that speced into condition dmg…after the nerf….sooo what condtiotn are we talking about?

Pop 3 staff clones and you can put up pretty good stacks of bleeding, and burning on top of that.

selan.8354:

Noss.4105:

And confusion isn’t the only condition mesmers can inflict.

errr which ones?i mean i havent noticed any conditions apart from confusion that does dmg that would actually help a condition build…

Have you tried staff?

In my opinion the confusion nerf was a right call, it was a bit too strong. And I got a mesmer and condition engineer, so I do use it myself too.
I don’t get why people act like it’s gonna destroy condition mesmers. Even with -50% dmg it’s still gonna be strong condition. And confusion isn’t the only condition mesmers can inflict.
If your target doesn’t do anything while stacked with confusion, it doesn’t matter if it does over 9000 damage or 900 damage.
If your target ignores the confusion, it’s still gonna do lots of damage. It’s just not death in couple seconds.
If it gets cleansed, the damage doesn’t matter that much, if at all.

I used pain inverter some when I was a newb in GW2, but I don’t think I’ve ever used it on my mesmer after hitting lvl 80. Mesmer just has so good utilities that I don’t see myself ever using it in PvP.
As for the size. It sure looks cool when army of small leprechauns take down a big charr as he hacks thin air with a bigass sword.

Reading these posts really make me feel that RoS doesn’t get the credit it deserves, especially now that we got these two great guilds on our ranks. The spirit, attitude and co-operation RoS has in WvW is just amazing.
Although we have awesome commanders, people work together even when there’s none in the map.

Surmia was beating Arborstone’s massive numbers with tactics, high spirit, co-operation and good commanders. Not with bigger zergs.

solrik.6028:

A player with 1700 power, a 1000 strength weapon, against a 2500 toughness enemy;
The player switches weapon and gains 3 stacks of might, increasing his power by 105.
Criticals without might (2.1 crit damage) will do 1428 damage. 1.0 Wep. Skill multiplier
Criticals with might (2.1 crit damage) will do 1516 damage. 1.0 Wep. Skill multiplier
Just info…

So, a bit over 5% damage increase after weapon swap. Still weak.
You do see the master minor trait on same traitline that gives fury(+20% crit chance) on weapon swap?

Skirmishing would really need more than might stacks(and +350 condi damage to pet lol) to justify the loss of trap traits.

edit: I appreciate the fact that you want to make ranger a better profession, because it certainly needs some work. And I’m not trying to be a kitten.
Traps however are what makes skirmishing so good, and you can’t just take it away from it and throw in few might stacks in return.

solrik.6028:

Noss.4105:

Traps kinda make more sense in WS line, but why would you want to destroy skirmishing traitline?
That steady grip looks like nearly useless trait, and definitely not worth the Grandmaster spot.

You basically took 2 of the top traits from skirmishing and gave it 2 very weak traits in exchange.

Come with suggestions

Leave them as they are.

Traps kinda make more sense in WS line, but why would you want to destroy skirmishing traitline?
That steady grip looks like nearly useless trait, and definitely not worth the Grandmaster spot.

You basically took 2 of the top traits from skirmishing and gave it 2 very weak traits in exchange.