Guild Wars 2

Well, you can always change some cavalier/knight gear if you feel too squishy. But what I got from your post, is that you can survive 1vX for minutes, but lack the damage. Those 20 points in Domination help your offense a lot.

In EU, Ruins of Surmia and Gunnar’s Hold had epic rivalry when I was still in RoS. It was before the new matchmaking system and GH guys were a bit bitter when RoS came to their tier and beat them in it after we got some new guilds from T1. That was some good WvW.

Golden times.

You could try 20/20/0/0/30. It’s +200 power, +20% Mind Wrack damage, boon strip on shatters and your F3 puts 5x vulnerability per illusion.
If you want to stick to 0/20/20/0/30 you can swap staff CD -trait for bountiful interruption. I believe Osicat’s build is supposed to build high might stacks with chaos storm and focus #4 in group fights.

And don’t forget food!

Gonna be a good matchup thread. I can feel it.

I like lockdown/interrupt playstyle most, because it’s challenging and I get lots of satisfaction with it.
I don’t really play pure phantasm or PU builds, but I think shatter is the most effective overall.
If I had to choose one build for everything, it would probably be shatter or 20/25/10/15/0 with celestial armor and sword+sword/scepter+torch. It’s fun to play and works well in 1v1/1vX and smallish groups.

Every matchup thread should be Nice Off

phaeris.7604:

Defensive mesmer detected!

Even mesmers in this thread admit to PU being a cheese build, so i’m not exactly sure what you’re trying to get at.

I should have probably written ‘In the last month I have yet to encounter a mesmer…..’

Ahh, you’re Gunnars hold (i’m from deso), that explains why you’re desperate to hold onto cheese builds. You chaps need all the help you can get in WvW.

I don’t play PU, and I already said in this thread that I think PU is too strong. I don’t see how my opinion about PU is relevant though.
I just stated that I don’t believe you. You see, I like facts, not some random nonsense.

People usually don’t make sense when they be mad.

phaeris.7604:

Really?

Some of you really don’t believe that having basically 100 percent protection uptime is somehow overpowering in a build on a class who is on the medium hitpoint table?

I hit guardians/warriors for more damage than I do mesmers at times.

My friends son started playing gw2 (he’s 11), he started on a guardian and pretty much only does WvW, he switched to play a mesmer after his guardian was soundly thrashed by one. His exact words after playing for a bit in WvW on his GreatSword wielding level 8 mesmer were ’It’s so easy to get kills with a mesmer than a guardian.’

But yeah, clearly it needs a high skill cap to play one well. Also I have yet to encounter a mesmer who isnt running a PU/hybrid PU build.

Angry thief detected!
You have never encountered a non-PU mesmer? That means:

a) You’re a liar
b) You don’t play much, if at all
c) You think every mesmer who stealths has PU
d) You’re really unlucky. I mean like reaaallly unlucky

meichor.7809:

Noss.4105:

eozturk.7205:

PU builds are excellent example of showing bad players in the game. If you can’t manage to beat a PU build mesmer, you are doing something wrong. L2P issue.

So… you’re basically saying PU builds are the worst builds mesmer has.

He’s saying PU build is very good against inexperienced players which is quite a large population in gw2…

IMO, mesmer overall is very good against inexperienced players.

I don’t really care that much if PU gets nerfed or not. But when so many people use one build/trait, it’s usually an indicator that something is wrong. Especially when it comes to mesmer, since we have so many good builds.

PU is a superb trait. I’d say it’s so good that it could be split in two, boons while stealthed and increased stealth duration in different traits.

eozturk.7205:

PU builds are excellent example of showing bad players in the game. If you can’t manage to beat a PU build mesmer, you are doing something wrong. L2P issue.

So… you’re basically saying PU builds are the worst builds mesmer has.

Thieves whine 24/7. If Anet actually listened them, they would be perma stealthed, perma evading one shotting demigods.

PU does need some tweaking, but I doubt it’ll happen anytime soon, if ever. Hope I’m wrong.

wombatpanda.8165:

Sadly…solo roaming in this matchup is dead so far!
Everyone teaming up with guildies running op 1v1 builds ganking solo roamers.
I dont really care for /dance and randoms ganking up on someone…but if even guilds(that are normally known for smallscale) doing"smallscale" aint open for 1v1(yes u can gank after the 1v1 if u need the stacks soo bad )

hope for some refreshing changes in the week but doesnt look too promising

Weekend isn’t good time for solo roaming in any matchup. It will get better during week.

I don’t wanna bash your guild, because I’ve had some really good 1v1 fights with [Mya]. But I did see you running small group with Hammer+Mace/Shield warrs and chasing me when I was roaming last week.

Anyways, looking forward to this week. AG is one of my favourite servers to fight against and last week MS showed that they’re not as bad as most other german servers when it comes to solo/smallscale.

Have fun, guys!

keenlam.4753:

@ Noss: The build in your link is not bad, just curious why you stop using it and switch to 30/30/10/0/0?

I still use it a lot, but I’m testing out loads of different builds and trying to get the most out of the celestial gear. I used 30/30/10 last week because we were against two german servers in WvW and I wanted a bit more offense and boonstrip to better deal with all those guardians and rangers before they could run to their zergs.

20/25/10/15/0 is really good for celestial in a way that it puts every stat in use. And it’s super fun to play. I feel like army of exploding leprechauns jumping around my opponents.

Nice. I ran almost same traits some time ago(blade training instead of pistol CD), but with sword+sword/scepter+torch and celestial armor. It’s pretty neat.

Then I changed to http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQRAsc7flwzKqHTzgGbNJipCB35DQHJFl2rVmBvdhA-jUCBYLBEpJyEBBK5rIaslhFRjVVTQWzATlKpeEKrCBsYNA-w so I could drop null field for signet of domination.
Now I’m using 30/30/10/0/0 with same gear, except cavalier trinkets instead of rabid.

edit: It’s not on the link, but I use energy sigils on both offhands.

Weird, I have the exact same trait setup for Dec. 10 patch, not sure if I’m gonna stick to it though. Difference is that I use sword+sword/scepter+torch and celestial armor+amulet+rings on most of my hybrid builds.

I made the celestial armor few months ago and started experimenting with different builds. 10/25/10/15/0 was my “base template”, and 20/25/10/15/0 is probably my favourite.
I like interrupt builds a lot, and currently I’m testing hybrid 20/30/20/0/0 with Bountiful Interruption and daze mantra for might stacking. Seems to work well, although I miss Halting Strike from the more interrupt heavy builds.

Alissah.9281:

And whats the armor at 1:45 called? Dont thinkits in game, and it looks amazing :/

If that was in game I would reroll my mesmer ASAP.

There’s nothing cooler than norn ballerina. Male.

From roamer’s perspective, overall [EXG] is one of the best and classiest guilds in Deso. Really enjoyed fights with them, the odd teabagging aside.
Deso does have lots of really good roamers, but because they’re so high population server, fights often escalate into 1v3+.

Next match will prolly be the worst one of the season for us, because we’re against 2 german servers. Blobbadon is the worst server ever, but I hope MS will give some good action.

Thanks for fights and good luck next week!

Would be too much trouble to take screenies of everyone that “misbehaves” in WvW.

I’m not 100% sure of the PU, but asura with staff+scepter/torch, perplexity and Knight -rank if I remember right.
I don’t really care about emotes, I’ve noticed people that do it are usually embarrassed. But still I believe in mutual respect between players.

I’ve noticed Deso guys spam emotes a lot more than other servers when they manage to kill something.
Especially [EXG] seems to like /laughing at fellow roamers.

Got few good fights this week. Just lost I think my first 1v1 of the week to [EXG] PU Perplexity mesmer. First fight he got away with like 5% hp, and on second fight I got interrupted couple times, and that pretty much sealed it. Too bad I was on my experimental build that didn’t have any condi cleanse.
And of course he went on to /laugh at my corpse.

Anyways, I hope I don’t have to fight Desolation ever again. They’re like a mix of german and french servers.

Why does this look like a pretty standard phantasm build to me?

Without seeing your gameplay it’s hard to see what’s wrong. But maybe do some sPvP, you get more fights there.

If you actually know what you’re doing, just try to ignore the haters and trolls. But remember that just because you have a tag, doesn’t mean you’re always right and can’t take advice from others.

I haven’t really seen too much trolling or “bullying” towards PUG commanders on the servers I have played in. And if there has been harsh critique, the commander usually deserved it. For example PvE -commander tagging up in WvW and not knowing what the hell he’s doing.

Xaylin.1860:

I’m a bit confused. You are talking about a shatter build and do not know to take Empowered Illusions or Phantasmal Fury. While both are decent traits there is close to no reason to pick those in a shatter build.

If you really want to play shatter, I personally would pick 20/20/0/0/30 with Mental Torment and either Shattered Concentration or Greatsword Training.

There’s better choices for Empowered Illusions, but Phantasmal Fury is totally valid trait for shatter builds. For me atleast it usually comes down to Far-Reaching Manipulations vs. Phantasmal Fury for dueling adept. I don’t think Blade Training is worth it for 50 precision and -2½s cooldown on BF.

Just because you play a shatter doesn’t mean your phantams can’t do any damage.

I’d say 20/20. You can stack lots of vulnerability with Dazzling and Shattered Concentration is a big help (although you already have some boonstripping from GS #3, sword #1 and null field).

You could also very well drop Blade Training for Phantasmal Fury, since you have Illusionists Celerity.

I don’t understand what people are trying to accomplish with these threads.

JP is in WvW. WvW is a PvP -zone. People like to kill each other in PvP -zones.

Working as intended.

Ryn.6459:

Anet,
Is it possible to exchange positions of “shattered conditions” and “phantasmal haste”? I do think that both traits are in wrong trees.

Shattered Conditions would be way too overpowered in master tier. And I think it fits Inspiration -tree more.

coglin.1867:

- No that isn’t but 1/2 the condition damage other players will have. So of coarse your conditions will feel inferior in comparison to others around you.

2k condi damage in sPvP is a lot without some might stacking.

Dondagora.9645:

…This also works with the sigils, since swap CD is around 10 seconds, so if you swap every 11 seconds or so, you should be able to activate the sigils each time…

I meant the “on weapon swap” -sigils share the same cooldown timer with “on crit” -sigils. So after you swap weapons, your “on crit” sigils can’t proc for 9 or so seconds, and if your “on crit” sigil procs after those 9 secs, your “on swap” -sigil can’t proc for next 10 seconds.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sigil

edit: Also about that alternative build. I wouldn’t bother with domination unless you go atleast 15 points into it to get Dazzling. That’s 8x vulnerability on interrupt and helps your buddies too. :P

Interesting. Have you thought of going 20 into domination instead of chaos for some vulnerability stacking, Empowered Illusions and possibly Halting Strike?
Also it seems odd that you have 2 sets of swords, but don’t pick up reduced cooldowns for them.

Anyways, looks pretty good for groups and will be even stronger after dec. 10 patch.

Oh, BTW all your sigils share the same cooldown timer.

I like the change to Mender’s Purity. But mesmers condition cleanse/manipulation should be looked at overall. Arcane thievery for example could use a cooldown reduction to 40s, and the cast time reduced completely.
Another cool trait for mesmers would be: “When you create a clone of yourself, you transfer one condition to that clone” with like 10 second cooldown. Mesmers like manipulating, so this would go well with our nature.

Also, I got kinda mixed feelings about Illusionists Celerity. It was obviously too pwerful as adept minor trait, and it was no biggie to take for any build.
Now that it requires 25 points into Illusions, many builds skip it because they can’t afford to go that deep.
However, as 15 point trait it’s gonna be very hard to pass and I fear many builds will start with 0/20/0/0/15 as base, to get 2 very significant traits.

In my opinion Illusionists Celerity should be removed completely, and the base cooldowns on some of our skills be lowered a bit to compensate.

Any guy who is confident of his sexual orientation should find pink butterflies extremely cool and cute.

DavyMcB.1603:

I don’t think mesmer will get perma vigor nerf. I mean, yes they have perma vigor but that means you have to boost up a lot of crit chance, pretty much running zerker to get perma vigor and it’s a huge tradeoff. If you take a look an engineer they can gain perma vigor with sacrificing only 20 points which go into defensive build anyway. In addition, mesmers have to constantly engage in fighting to get the so called perma vigor. Engineers get in on demand.

Different.

IMO mesmers have better vigor trait. It’s more passive so you don’t have to worry about it.
Your perspective is pretty biased anyways. Engineers get perma vigor for only 20 points? And mesmers get it with 5 points.
Also look at what you get by putting 20 points in dueling, like most mesmers do.

Swiftness and vigor on kit swap is sweet, but it does cost a lot.

Oh, and you don’t need full zerker to have as high vigor uptime as engineers have.

That’s one of the problems with leagues. When the places in match up become obvious, points don’t matter anymore. It’s the same if lose to a server with 1 point or 100k points, so why not farm some WXP when your position in the match is already set in stone.

I very rarely attack others in EB JP while I’m doing it. But when I’m done, I like to stick around at the flat area just after the arena part and fight people there.
I act like the final boss of the JP.

Now hate me.

Although I usually play shatter, now I play power/condi hybrid. Trying to get my celestial armor to work… I put so much money on it T_T

OPEN WORLD: Hybrid
WvW: Hybrid

From all the servers I’ve fought, AM is the worst. They are just no fun at all. Terrible players and big blobs.

Too bad UW doesn’t have numbers to make this match fun.

Looks like a crappy heal. I’m not too worried.

30s cooldown
Base heal 3920(0.6) and 481(0.2) per condition removed.

Thief, simply because glass thieves can still have very good survivability.

Use the “skill scrolls” for some support utilities and join zergs in WvW. Probably not as fast as PvE, but more fun!

To my knowledge this bug has been in game from the release, and probably been reported many times.

So, Phantasmal Haste -trait increases the attack speed of every other phantasm except Phantasmal Swordsman, it isn’t affected by this trait at all.

Come on, wouldn’t it be time to fix this already?

Karolis.4261:

Every single person that cries here about those stacks got his kitten handled to him by a stacked up roamer(s) while running through open area trying to reach his blob. Serves you right, zerglets.

This post lacks logic so badly. It’s mostly roamers that find these buffs stupid because they make 1v1/small scale fights unbalanced.

Gonna throw a wild guess: You play a thief?

Alissah.9281:

Noss.4105:

I often take halting strike instead of MW damage when running 20/20/0/0/30 shatter. It scales kinda oddly, I think it depends on what skill you interrupt. Sometimes it hits for under 1k when you interrupt autoattack, and sometimes upwards 2-3k when interrupting a heal.
I usually set up my burst with F3 to strip boons, stack up vulnerability and Halting Strike adds a bit of extra pressure. When fighting against many, chaos storm does pretty nasty damage too.

IMO it’s a solid trait and I definitely disagree with Pyro’s “it’s never worth taking”.

Mhm. IMO not taking Mental Torment just… doesn’t make sense for a shatter build with domination :/

The only real interupts you have are Diversion (30 cooldown) and Chaos Storm (35 cooldown), and maybe a pistol or sword. Mental Torment just seems like an obvious choice to me :P.

I also definitely disagree with the “its never worth taking” statement, but maybe it was just a poorly worded oppinion/statement in the wrong context.

Mental Torment is “safer” choice in many cases. There are fights where you will do more damage with Halting Strike, and some where with Mental Torment.
I don’t take HS because it’s necessarily better overall, but it spices up things a bit. Also nowdays it’s a lot harder to land full Mind Wracks against good players because lots of people know how to avoid it.
But that’s just my opinion and my playstyle probably differs a lot from others.

And don’t forget OH sword has a daze with 12 sec cooldown.

I often take halting strike instead of MW damage when running 20/20/0/0/30 shatter. It scales kinda oddly, I think it depends on what skill you interrupt. Sometimes it hits for under 1k when you interrupt autoattack, and sometimes upwards 2-3k when interrupting a heal.
I usually set up my burst with F3 to strip boons, stack up vulnerability and Halting Strike adds a bit of extra pressure. When fighting against many, chaos storm does pretty nasty damage too.

IMO it’s a solid trait and I definitely disagree with Pyro’s “it’s never worth taking”.

It used to be so that if you made your settings not to show NPC names, you could tell what’s the real mesmer because illusion names wouldn’t show. But it’s fixed now and illusions act like players in that sense.

If you put your pet on the real mesmer, it will stick to it and you can spot the real one that way.

Locuz.2651:

Silent Shino.7239:

just to set things straight, AG has been blobbing this matchup; blobbing a lot, we don’t usually blob this much, it’s only because we have so many PVE achievement hunters on 24/7. If it wasn’t for all of the PVE people, Millers probably would have won this matchup due to their (normally) superior night squads. So don’t use this week as your image of AG, use weeks where we don’t have an insane amount og people.

You might actually have some new pvp/wvw only people that took care off the “night-shifts” for you. That kept roaming and capping camps with some random tower here and there till the early hours.

Feels kind of disrespectfull to dismiss everyone youre not used to seeing late at night as “those pve ach hunters”.

If you actually are new WvW player, I don’t think he means you.
Thing is, there is a lot of PvE achievement hunters that run from all fights and don’t care about fun and good fights. They are in WvW just to get the achievement.

If you roam around and fight for your server, that’s good for you and most WvW players are happy to get new blood.

Pretty good match considering the circumstances. I was hoping for better roaming action, but since this was the start of leagues and the new achievements it was kinda meeeeh.
I’m happy we faced AG in this match though, since this could have been horrible week with some other servers. Just imagine this week, but with AM instead of AG.

Silent Shino.7239:

Noss.4105:

Silent Shino.7239:

why don’t GH just simply have 1 vs 1 fights instead of having to double team all of the time? The only GH I have seen respect 1 vs 1 fights are members of [TEO]
edit: I lied, now even [TEO] are double teaming me
where’s FURY? they’re the only ones so far (apart from hihey who actually beat me 1 vs 1) that I can get a decent fight out of :L

I guess you don’t mean duels?
From the little roaming I’ve done in this matchup, I’d say around 80% to 90% of my fights with AG end up with me in 1v2+ situations.

yeah, I’m not meaning duels, I’m just meaning roaming in general, in GH borderlands about 95% of fights end up in 1 vs 2 situations, in eb, 90% of the fights were 1 vs 3 or more, the rest were 1 vs 2s :L with the exception of a FURY elementalist who ambushed me while I was attacking the grub, it was still a good fight tho

Well, FYI it’s not just GH.
I had high hopes for this match up roaming-wise, but I’ve been a bit disappointed. I guess it’s the influx of new WvW’ers that make solo roaming a bit hard.

Silent Shino.7239:

why don’t GH just simply have 1 vs 1 fights instead of having to double team all of the time? The only GH I have seen respect 1 vs 1 fights are members of [TEO]
edit: I lied, now even [TEO] are double teaming me
where’s FURY? they’re the only ones so far (apart from hihey who actually beat me 1 vs 1) that I can get a decent fight out of :L

I guess you don’t mean duels?
From the little roaming I’ve done in this matchup, I’d say around 80% to 90% of my fights with AG end up with me in 1v2+ situations.

Zen.4678:

I swear when I was fighting last night I saw a [BNF] on MS border. I didn’t think my eyes were that bad. They are always awesome fights.

Different BNF maybe? I don’t see why they would transfer from Dzag since it’s probably the strongest bronze league server.

AG seems a lot more blobby than what I remembered, and most of the roamers I’ve seen seem pretty bad. Lots of PvE’ers stepped in WvW?
But I’ve still managed to get some great fights. :P

Obviously the long queues will diminish. It’s reset day and everyone wants to see the new achivement.

Leagues are the best thing that has happened to WvW in months.