Guild Wars 2

VIVorcha.7853:

Noss.4105:

Brenil.8957:

Is our class too fragile for its role?

Does anyone honestly think the answer to that question is no?

I do!
I guess you meant “Does anyone honestly think the answer to that question is yes?”

I would argue that yes, we are too fragile, given our role as close-to-mid attackers and our lack of reliable long range weaponry.

Remember that we were originally supposed to be Soldiers. Our class was designed at least partially with heavy armor in mind.

I guess we have agree to disagree, then.

I wouldn’t stress too much about reaching 100% burning duration, since you have many sources of burning anyways.
Unless you use FT a lot, I’d swap Juggernaut for Hair Trigger. Extra 10 points I’d put to speedy kits, and swap Fast-Acting Elixirs for Invigorating Speed. Also I don’t think Potent Elixirs affect boons gained from elixirs(but I’m not sure about this), so I’d change that for Protection Injection.

And no, + X% damage traits don’t affect conditions.

Brenil.8957:

Is our class too fragile for its role?

Does anyone honestly think the answer to that question is no?

I do!
I guess you meant “Does anyone honestly think the answer to that question is yes?”

VIVorcha.7853:

Phineas Poe.3018:

VIVorcha.7853:

Phineas Poe.3018:

VIVorcha.7853:

Elixir H is decent, but the other professions have so much better options. Shelter, for instance, blocks you while healing.

Shelter also has a longer cooldown, heals for less, and scales worse with Healing Power than Elixir H does. It also cannot be traited to remove boons on enemies (tossed) or conditions on yourself/allies.

As much as I love my Guardian, their healing skills are garbage compared to what Engineers have. You have to put ten points into Radiance just so that Signet of Resolve doesn’t have a forty second cooldown.

We don’t have signets.

Your life is soooo hard.

I am confused by this response.

You are the one complaining about how much better other classes apparently have it. Not me.

You complain about how bad Signet of Resolve is for the Guardian.

Engineers don’t have signets at all.

Your life as a Guardian is so difficult.

Most signets are pretty awful, and I’m happy that engineers don’t have em.

MonMalthias.4763:

@Noss:
Engineer heals are the some of the best in the game, hands down. The only heals that come close are that of Ranger, but they’ve received nerfs in the past whilst our heals have only had buffs by and large. Aside from that stealth nerf of Drop Antidote.

Med Kit is the highest HPS in the game for raw healing i believe, and comes with free Fury and Swiftness. Healing Turret is a really good spike heal and since its changes it is now “good enough” at condi clear that CF409 is no longer mandatory. Elixir H has always been good and is the best spike heal for the Engineer that also has RNG boons. (Bonus!)

The only changes I’d like to see to Engineer at this point is adding Master level + traits for Turrets and Gadgets to give them the option of condi clear or at least some interaction with condis, and for the access of Stability beyond Elixirs and Elixir X. Perhaps through a GM trait that replaces some of the really really bad ones we have.

Sorry, I’m not sure why you’re saying that to me. I didn’t say anything about heals.

No.
I’d rather want to see some tweaks on our active defensive skills. Like:

-Elixir S cooldown reduced to 45 secs
-Rocket boots becoming stunbreaker, cooldown increased to 30ish secs
-More condi cleanse outside elixirs

I think engies are in a fairly good place atm when it comes to avoiding damage. +3k hp would definitely be too much, in my opinion.

Neandramathal.9536:

Noss.4105:

Oslaf Beinir.5842:

PS: MM mesmer, it must be fun laughing at peoples’ corpses when you’re not alone

Yeah, I remember from my RoS times that some MM guys have no shame. Getting a kill in WvW is a huge achivement for some.

It’s hardly a guild wide nor guild specific thing, it will be individual players. RoS had plenty of them, dancing-laughing-jumping-rambuilding players. Bit silly to tar an entire guild with the same brush, or it could be applied to an entire server also, which would in that case include you ;p

I said some! I’ve fought some really good MM guys in the past, and now in GH I’ve played and grouped with loads of cool MM guys. I know all of you are not like that.
I’m not trying to paint the whole guild. The guild just sticks on your mind when you see that kinda behavior many times.

Art.9820:

OP don’t always means that X class is too powerful, it could mean that the other classes are too weak, I don’t know if you get what I’m trying to say? XD

OP always means that class X is too powerful, hence the word overpowered.

Oslaf Beinir.5842:

PS: MM mesmer, it must be fun laughing at peoples’ corpses when you’re not alone

Yeah, I remember from my RoS times that some MM guys have no shame. Getting a kill in WvW is a huge achivement for some.

Condition necro’s are OP in a way that bad and average players can get really good results with very little work.
Experienced and good players however will reach the skill ceiling very soon.
Atleast for me the profession became really boring to play after the Dhuumfire patch. Now I use my necro only for guild roams.

I think power necros are pretty fine atm, tho.

edit: To make it clear. Overall I think necros are pretty balanced. The burst with terror could be tuned down a bit tho…

Bratwa.6582:

@ Noss.4105 sigh you miss the point, as i said, read properly. to get mad it requires to take persons like you serious which i can`t as your respond indicates.

That`s why i so like gw2 forum, because it is PvForum. Peopel won`t even notice if you are making fun out of them.

Good Luck Drakkar Lake and Gunnars Hold on your next matchup.
I hope the fair weather players and bandwagoners won`t transfer away once GH gets a tough match.

Care to tell your point then? What I read from your post, along with the whining about how unfair everything is for RoF, was that you don’t roam because there’s big bad zergs in WvW that kill you. To what I replied that it happens to everyone. It’s not a reason to abandon roaming.
If you really stop roaming after you get zerged, then it’s your poor morale to blame.

Oh, and trying to use the “You’re not worthy of my superior intelligence. Why should I waste my time on a lesser being like you?” -card to get out of an argument just shows that you don’t have anything to say.

Good luck to RoF on their next matchup too. I hope you get a bit better match this time.

P.S. You were little mad.

It’s complex and challenging profession.

And explosions.

Bratwa.6582:

Noss.4105:

Bratwa.6582:

Our roamers are busy getting slaughtered by your zergs, mate and it doesn`t matter if you will believe it or not: earlier this week we tried to roam with 3-4ppl just to get zerged by 10-15 peopel.

Works both ways. I’ve been run over by RoF 5-15 man zergs countless of times too, more than by DL zergs actually. You just don’t pay attention to it when you guys do it. You just /laugh and /dance on the corpse like champs.
BTW, why does so many RoF players spam emotes when you kill someone 5+v1?

P.S. Thanks to that RoF P/P Perplexity thief for nice(and frikin’ annoying!) fight near RoF or DL BL Bay yesterday. To bad I got eventually overrun by some RoF group. Bad place to duel I guess.

You know what, you literally asked for it:

Works both ways. I’ve been run over by GH 5-15 man zergs countless of times too, more than by DL zergs actually. You just don’t pay attention to it when you guys do it. You just /laugh and /dance on the corpse like champs.
BTW, why does so many GH players spam emotes when you kill someone 5+v1?

And i use ballista or rams or whatever i get from rankup chest to put in on corpses!
And i answered one guy, what happens to us when we go on a roaming trip, why we dont have many roamers out there at the moment.
And you are not reading properly.
And I am well aware what our zerglings are doing to roamers, dont jump to conclusions like “You just don’t pay attention to it when you guys do it”.
And i shall come to the forums to say my daily adventures, what kind of injustice happened to me.
But seriously….read….porperly

You seem to be quite mad. I like that.
I explained to you, that our roamers get zerged too. It happens to everyone. Your server is not special.
You know what I do when I get slaughtered by a group? I WP and start roaming again. It’s WvW and sometimes you just get zerged.

You: Well we dont roam because our peopel get zerged by GH.
Me: Our roamers get zerged too. You’re just seeing your own point of view.
You: I said we dont roam because our people get killed by your zerg. I know we do it too. Read porperly.

You’re not really making lot of sense.

Titan.3472:

…Wiki I just looked at it and I already knew these stuffs…

You already knew that stuff, and still posted false information?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Damage

There’s good info about damage.

Rodigee.7139:

…Bomb kit and toolkit are must haves…

I disagree with the TK. I very rarely use toolkit on my condi builds, and I’m doing just fine.

edit:

I didn’t include grenade kit in that list because that’s 100% in my build

Granades+Bombs+EG is very good combo. When I run condi ‘nades, I usually replace EG with rocket boots when I’m solo to get away from zergs. But I use Melandru runes and/or -condi duration food then too.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Noss.4105:

Brace yourselves. Perplexity engies are becoming the new FOTM!

Becoming? They were the moment they were released.

I haven’t seen enough perplex engineers yet to consider them FOTM.

Offtopic: I fought one P/P perplexity thief yesterday. Now that was a frustrating fight.

Bratwa.6582:

Our roamers are busy getting slaughtered by your zergs, mate and it doesn`t matter if you will believe it or not: earlier this week we tried to roam with 3-4ppl just to get zerged by 10-15 peopel.

Works both ways. I’ve been run over by RoF 5-15 man zergs countless of times too, more than by DL zergs actually. You just don’t pay attention to it when you guys do it. You just /laugh and /dance on the corpse like champs.
BTW, why does so many RoF players spam emotes when you kill someone 5+v1?

P.S. Thanks to that RoF P/P Perplexity thief for nice(and frikin’ annoying!) fight near RoF or DL BL Bay yesterday. To bad I got eventually overrun by some RoF group. Bad place to duel I guess.

Brace yourselves. Perplexity engies are becoming the new FOTM!

Just kidding.
If you use P/S, you can do fine without toolkit(It still is nice kit to have, though). But, you’ll probably want EG for the extra condi cleanse and stunbreaker. Rocket boots are really nice, but EG gives you one pretty good leap too. And from those kits Bomb kit is a must if you actually want to stomp in 1vX situations.
Just experiment with different kits to find a set that feels right.

Just out of curiosity, why don’t you include Granade kit on that list? With IP and Forceful Explosions you’re already 20 points into Explosives, and 10 more points would give you one of the best kits engies have.

I definitely noticed my game runs a lot smoother after adding that. Camera is a lot more responsive and I think I got some FPS too.
I’ve had some performance issues in the new WvW content, especially in the tall tower on southeast corner of the ruins. My camera was getting really “heavy” and FPS dropped a lot.
Went to test it again after adding that line, and while I can still feel FPS drops some, my camera was really responsive.

Really worth trying that if you don’t have top notch PC. Thanks, buddy.

The new ruins are gorgeous, I really love design of it. I’m however having some FPS issues on some of the points, especially the southeastern “tower”. Game just feels really heavy when I climb up there.

But Bloodlust in it’s current state is horrible, absolutely disgusting.

Overall I have to say no. The ruins are awesome, but I can’t fully enjoy it because of the wierd performance issues.

Whichever you like most. I doubt you’ll be using any racial skills.

I’m gonna try how bomb kit works without Forceful Explosions, so I could take Shrapnel instead of it.
Lately I’ve been leaning more and more on Elixir S over bomb kit to get reliable stomps, as I’m usually fighting outnumbered in WvW. And the upcoming 5 second stealth on Toss Elixir S might just replace bomb kit with Elixir S permanetly for me.
I do love bomb kit, but I’ve lost so many great fights just because I couldn’t get stomps under pressure with smoke bomb.

Oh, granades and rocket boots/elixir gun are my 2 other utilities.

Aberrant.6749:

Noss.4105:

They can definitely be tricky as engineer, because engies don’t have that good stunbreakers. Hammer attacks are however pretty easy to dodge.

I usually run with Melandru runes, so even if I get caught by one stun, I can most of the times get away before the next one hits.

I have very few problems with them as an eng… I just keep them out of reach. Eng has tons of cripples/roots/knockbacks/knockdowns/dazes etc. etc. Just watch for stability and you should be fine. Gear shield is also amazing… 3s block on a 20s cd. Seriously… I kitten LOVE toolkit man lol.

Then there is elixir S for stun break/steath/stability… and soon it’ll be even easier since S toss will always be stealth and B toss will always add stability. Also using a stunbreak will upright you mid knockdown (these are in the next balance patch).

Yeah, true. I don’t really have any trouble with them in 1v1 situation, and I often run without any stunbreakers, just Protection Injection. As I said they’re easy to dodge.

I haven’t roamed on my condi necro after the Dhuumfire patch, but I’d imagine it would have hard time against (good) stun heavy warriors.

They can definitely be tricky as engineer, because engies don’t have that good stunbreakers. Hammer attacks are however pretty easy to dodge.

I usually run with Melandru runes, so even if I get caught by one stun, I can most of the times get away before the next one hits.

kuora.5402:

Noss.4105:

kuora.5402:

people still whining about this? half the people who attempt this can’t even pull it off. l2p/condi removal.

Pull off what? Getting interrupts in PvP?
If you can’t interrupt someone in PvP, that means he/she isn’t doing anything.

IMO, anyone who thinks these runes are balanced, either:

a) doesn’t know anything about balance.

b) knows they’re OP, but likes the edge they give.

Ah, the classic “I disagree with you, therefore you’re stupid” argument. Keep going on.

Dude, you gotta work on your reading comprehension.

Turns out to be pretty promising match from solo-roamer’s point of view.
It’s nice to see good german players after our match with Miller’s Sound sheeps.

Have fun guys! And ignore Steelo.

kuora.5402:

people still whining about this? half the people who attempt this can’t even pull it off. l2p/condi removal.

Pull off what? Getting interrupts in PvP?
If you can’t interrupt someone in PvP, that means he/she isn’t doing anything.

IMO, anyone who thinks these runes are balanced, either:

a) doesn’t know anything about balance.

b) knows they’re OP, but likes the edge they give.

Was OKish match.
I’m really disappointed about [BNF] tho. They used to give awesome and tough fights when I was still in RoS.
I think I got one single fight with one of them, every other time they ran from 1v1 before the fight, or 5-10 secs into it. Even a mesmer(female asura, glowing eyes) with 5 stacks of applied fortitude and guard leech didn’t wanna fight my engi.
This is from solo-roamer’s perspective. Dunno about group fights.

I did get some good fights with some other DZ guys, so thanks for those.

Good luck with your next matchups!

Little bit offtopic, but I think the most important question about Perplexity is:

Did the devs actually think these runes are fine before they put em in game, or did they intend a cooldown on the 6th bonus and it’s just bugged atm. Because that tells a lot about the people who made these things.

Sup with [BNF] -guys running from 1v1’s?

I had such respect to you guys! T_T

No.

omnommnomnom.

Cribbage.2056:

When I used this build with the Superior Sigil of Battle, I don’t get any might stacks on equipping a kit. Am I missing something?

It only works in combat, and sigils share cooldowns.

I like my hobo-sacks. How can I protest the protesters?

You guys know that this kinda stuff affects other players gaming experience too? Not to mention you’d surely be banned if you somehow managed to crash the server.

Skill #4 1/2
Glued Hammer(or something like that)
1s cast time, 20s CD, 600 range
1s daze

Throw a glued hammer at your foe, dazing on hit.

Skill #4 2/2
Magnetic pull / Magnetic overload / whatever
Instant cast, 600 range

Overload your magnet, pulling back your hammer along with the foe it hit.

MarieCurie.1634:

To the GH engineer i fought a min ago near briar in UW:

gg in surviving the 2v1, it was a nice fight

…too bad you kept attacking after i bowed to you and stopped attacking…and brought your 4 friends to finish me off. But the fight was nice, kudos.

Anyway, i had fun so far, yesterday around 0.00-1.00 we tried to take RoF bay with our guild party of 8-10 and almost succeeded for 2 times. Almost. We capped couple of towers and went to bed after the 2nd bay wipe. It was cool to see some members who usually do pve join us in the borderlands.

They weren’t my friends, just some random roaming group. I don’t have any friends in GH
And shame on that necro for running into the keep with my lootbag!

Good fight anyways, it’s been kinda hard to find small fights in this match.

Dunno. But if there isn’t, it’s gonna be hotfixed.

+1 for The Wire.
“Omar coming, yo!”

Try engineer and see yourself.

Knox.8962:

Crit procs are needed in order to push condition classes into other stats besides raw condition damage.  If you removed all of the crit based procs from the game, you’ll see every single condition class running around in Condi/Tough/Vit gear (assuming it becomes available in PvP) because they already get very little damage from power and subsequently crits on that power based damage.  The on crit procs push people into Rabid or Rampager gear sets to ensure that they actually get Incendiary Ammo or Dhuumfire procs, and other similar effects like Sharpshooter

I totally agree with this. With condition damage/toughness/vitality armor coming in next patch, I hope Anet’s approach is to start improving crit procs and making precision more appealing.
Problem with current burn procs is, that for example Terror necro with just rabid weapons and +5% crit sigil has around 25% crit chance, which is enough for proccing Dhuumfire.

You could drop Short Fuse for Shrapnel.
Healthpool seems very low, you might wanna swap those rabid jewels for chrysocolas. Also, I don’t really understand why 30 in tools, since you can put 10 in alchemy and get near perma vigor.

I run this for WvW roaming myself, and it works pretty well.
Remaining 10 points I put in either alchemy for the protection on disable or firearms for reduced pistol CD. If I use shield on offhand I’ll swap shrapnel for IP.

I do have rabid armors on my bag, but the PVT has kinda grown on me. Boosts my survivability a lot, which is pretty important when solo roaming since you have to fight outnumbered a lot. And with some vuln stacks the direct damage of granades is no joke.

Try different kits and builds as you level up. That way you’ll be familiar with different kits, skills and traits when you hit 80.

Maskaganda.2043:

It still wont be as strong as people think. I have an hard time understanding how full rabid kills a good thief ora good ele, full dire will have even more of a problem beating competent players. condi damage alone shouldnt be enough.

I’m not really concerned about engis wearing Dire, I’ll most likely still use PVT armor with condi damage trinkets on my condi/hybrid builds.

I think atleast condi necros and rangers will become a problem.

I was just thinking the other day, that Anet can’t possibly put ascended armor in game yet, since that would bring condi dmg/toughness/vit stats to armors and further encourage the condi meta.

Before the new rocket boots and improvements to rifle #5, engineers really weren’t mobile. (near)Perma swiftness, vigor and EG #4 were pretty much all we had.
Buff to rocket boots really changed that.

Terrahero.9358:

VitalSuit.1980:

Vigor overwrites any other endurance regen buffs. The might from dodging only lasts 5 seconds. What use would it be to even use that trait or that food when you can have perma vigor?

This is not entirely true.

On my ranger when i get the 100% endurace 5pt minor trait my endurance regenerates faster. If i stack that with Vigor, i regenerate endurance even faster. They stack.

the 5 point trait is +50%, vigor is +100%.

BTW, does omnomberry pie or mango pie work in DS?

About the build. I haven’t run power necro for a long time, but I’d probably take Near to Death or Soul Marks instead of Vital Persistence.

8.1+0.5 for the flower. Good job.

I think condi necros are a little bit OP atm. Mostly because of Terror + Master of Terror.
Before the big balance patch I thought that terror necro was borderline OP, but after all the goodies from the patch I think necros were pushed a bit over the top.

And I do play necro. Or atleast used to.