Guild Wars 2

Its interesting that you feel I had some super secret lvl 5 rotation, I literally spammed 1-5, my heal and blinding powder.

Thats really the point right there I spammed mindlessly and achieved greatness!

Don’t take my post the wrong way it was not meant to belittle or insult you, I just really think the culling test was a step in the wrong direction.

I hate to say it but, kids are on vacation. If its adults … well good lord the world truly has gone to crap.

The culling fix was terrible, please if your going to ask Devs to come and read your suggestion post do not attempt to speak for the masses. I personally despised the new culling trial.

If Anet is going to start destroying classes based solely on my opinion, then we have alot more to worry about then the current state of thieves.

Archonis.7249:

Nuzt.7894:

Iove.3902:

Nerf Thieves? You realize that we have been nerfed into the ground and our only viable specs are those that abuse culling or burst and kill in one hit? All of our specs also die in one hit, to anything. Maybe, if people actually played a thief, you guys can understand how frustrating that is that I’m forced to play a certain way in PvP. This game could use some balancing for sure, but so can every game. It’s not just so simple as coming up with a few ideas to nerf classes to fix or balance PvP. There are tons of variables.

Played one at level 5, 1 Utility, most people took zero effort to kill, and if I did make a bad decision I simply walked away from the fight with zero consiquences. Maybe I’m just that good … but I seriously doubt it.

Or your opponents were really really bad? Couldn’t be that could it?

Indeed it could be the case, but I prefer the me being awesome argument /flex.

Iove.3902:

Nuzt.7894:

They are OP regardless of what all the thieves say, can you blame them for not wanting to lose their ez mode ? Most players will flock to any class that gives the best results with the lowest effort, its human nature.

Most people will take the easiest route to accomplish anything, thus the sheer number of thieves in this game.

Argue if you want but this is the sad reality of human nature.

And yes very good troll OP, I’m amazed at how many replies you got.

Carry on.

You have not played a Thief, so you can sit down and shut up because you do not know what you are talking about.

The only reason Thieves were OP is because we could cap points in stealth, that is gone. Our burst is comparable to a Shatter Mesmer. Our armor and health suck causing, no matter what spec or how much toughness we have, to die in one hit. Our only viable specs are GC or a bannable offense. You think it’s fun for us to be forced into playing a certain way? The point of our class is evasion. We’re weak apparently, and we have to have form to negate damage and ways to escape easily.

Carry on? I doubt that you were ever in the military.

Carry on.

Whoa settle down there skippy, I was not trying to ruin your life. Ok Ok Theives are under powered, all the other players are just really really bad.

Iove.3902:

Nerf Thieves? You realize that we have been nerfed into the ground and our only viable specs are those that abuse culling or burst and kill in one hit? All of our specs also die in one hit, to anything. Maybe, if people actually played a thief, you guys can understand how frustrating that is that I’m forced to play a certain way in PvP. This game could use some balancing for sure, but so can every game. It’s not just so simple as coming up with a few ideas to nerf classes to fix or balance PvP. There are tons of variables.

Played one at level 5, 1 Utility, most people took zero effort to kill, and if I did make a bad decision I simply walked away from the fight with zero consiquences. Maybe I’m just that good … but I seriously doubt it.

They are OP regardless of what all the thieves say, can you blame them for not wanting to lose their ez mode ? Most players will flock to any class that gives the best results with the lowest effort, its human nature.

Most people will take the easiest route to accomplish anything, thus the sheer number of thieves in this game.

Argue if you want but this is the sad reality of human nature.

And yes very good troll OP, I’m amazed at how many replies you got.

Carry on.

Jairlyn.1429:

Furgerat.7842:

I just want my zerg bombing group back :P.. Just need my insta mez and stun and some SM’s/Elds to PBAOE and we are all good in the hood.

You sound like a bolt range AoE mez cheating ablie!

Man those were fun times.

Insta mez and stun … I’m going with a middy not a alb. That and the SM/Eld suggest Mid/Hib

I agree that, most people will know who to follow and who not to. If I choose to zerg it up that day and the commander is clueless I won’t call them on it or anything of the sort, I just won’t ever follow their lead again, I’ll find another commander (theres plenty) or do my own thing.

Well thnx all for the replies, I’ll have to wait and see. e’s still learning the basics of the game so PvE for a few days bt after that, I guess I’ll leave it up to him.

So I recently had a buddy get home from over seas and he purchased the game. He could not get onto my server because apparently it is full so he chose kaineng. Long story short I ended up transfering to accompany him and am reallllly hoping the WvW is not always this one sided, please tell me Kaineng owning the entire map is not normal.

@max I could careless about having a Sig, the Ppl I play with know me and that’s all that really matters. As for the AR people sieging from whatever spot, if its an exploit then they also are pathetic but that doesn’t make exploiting because your outnumbered OK to do, you sound like a child using this as a justification. Also just really think about what your saying, its OK to exploit if your outnumbered …. so if a server is outnumbered exploiting keeps is OK ? Same idea different story, anyone who exploits for any reason regardless of server is a waste of space.

A good small group would not complain, they would in most cases fight higher numbers and probably come out on top or manage to effectively bust up the zerg.

This has been the case in all games that havea World PvP zone, and has most definately started to show its face in GW2. I applaud these small mans, they don’t complain or QQ they just go out, find larger groups, and proceed to smack them around.

Zergs have and always will be a part of World PvP, its just the way it has always been. If you Don’t want to run with the zerg, form a 5-10 man group and learn to combat superior numbers. Not only will you enjoy the fights if you manage to be effective but you will also be doing your server a service by roaming and taking out supplies.

Drednyte.7601:

DeeSystm.1256:

Yeah ur a good ele and a few of you held that that tower quite well but…..
You had no where to go? Die with honor then. Sure your a good ele, and i’m personally not afraid to take on w/e class whenever, no matter what the letters in the brackets after their name are.
I also dunno what exactly they were doing as i had jus ran 3/4 of the way around the map listening them whine about you tbh. Also you can’t touch someone in that exploit so its impossible not to let your cd’s reset.
Cool tip btw.

Well i did go out when it was 1 v 4-5 of you, but after i put em in downed state the rest of the masses showed up. Not much “honor” in that fight so i ran back to that spot figuring eventually you’d leave and I’d WP out. Instead there was an easy 10 stayed to “camp” me. lol. Still showed them the errors of their ways and managed to get 5-6 loot bags before they finally left and I WP’d out and regrouped with ma server mates.

I agree, kinda lame for me to stand in that spot. Bout as lame as all those camping me, and even lame for AR to build siege on the immune area north of WH by your citidel spawn and sit up there on the cliff with the mass zergs ranging WH when we have it. But meh…was all in good fun and I wasnt QQn or complaining.

Been having great fights with AR and NSP. From what I’ve seen both servers got some great Wv3 guilds. Props to you all and lets keep up the fun fights.

You use exploits because your out numbered and fighting an unfair fight in WvW ….
Your a disgrace, simple as that. If you want even numbers maybe you should stay out of WvW. The worst part is you openly admit to it and have seemed to justify it in your own mind that its ok to do.

Just shows the mentality of DR considering according to your sig your a commander for what has been claimed to be the largest WvW guild on your server. Here’s a clue, if your outnumbered die with some dignity like everyone else in WvW does. If you want even or close to even fights everytime you play then perhaps you should go to SPvP/TPvP.

Waste of a player/commander imo.

Psychatog.8246:

Nuzt.7894:

ok wtf, DR population is rediculous. So NSP I say yourselves and us AR take it to DR in full force and worry about each other next week.

I do not speak for all of AR but I’m sure theres many that would agree.

sounds good to DR…so we just focus AR and force them down a tier and take care of NSP and GoM next week

GL with that.

ok wtf, DR population is rediculous. So NSP I say yourselves and us AR take it to DR in full force and worry about each other next week.

I do not speak for all of AR but I’m sure theres many that would agree.

Just packing up at work, getting some beer, then its go time.

If it was a troll thread, it was a bad one. Also if you checked his/her post history you would see why it seemed like a legit question.

WvW will not bolster more abilities, SPvP gives you all abilities but rewards no xp. So if your looking for PvP and XP WvW is the only route.

As you level you will get more abilities, this is why I said although your bolstered an 80 will preform better 9/10 times. But that doesn’t mean you can’t do it, I’ve seen low levels kill 80’s in WvW. Once you hit 30 you will have a full skill bar.

Just keep in mind, although you will be bolstered to 80, a higher level will have better stats, so don’t expect to jump in and start owning 80’s

Pick a server (doesn’t really matter which one, you can transfer free if you don’t like it)
Create a character, any race or profession is fine just go with something you want to play.
Enter the game, do the first event/Quest line (you have to complete this as its basically the tutorial).
Once finished push (I think the default is “B”) Click the top where it says go to World vs. World.
Choose your home server borderland to start. Look for a blue triangle on the map
Get to the blue triangle and follow him/her.

This will give you a taste of what WvW is, once your comfortable do whatever you find enjoyable, following the zerg taking towers, keeps, supply camps nets you good xp.

I hear everyones going to re-roll engineers & rangers for their OP nature.

Peetee.9406:

Perfectly fine with removing mist form, just give us a substanial increase in armor to compensate since thieves and warriors can still down us in 1 set of combos.

Bold faced lies, everyone knows Thieves and Wars ar UP and need a buff …. L2P

Imo we let GoM go nutz over the next 24, they earned their matchup and we can’t be letting these Devona’s rest people come up in here ruining our goodtimes.

That is unless GoM wants to move down, nm scratch that GoM>DR

It is annoying, but hardly game breaking. If they aren’t near a keep or tower all it does is prevent them from getting stomped for another 2 sec. Now the ranger pet protection thing theres a big deal … those OP rangers are just ruining everything …..

I jest I jest

Mist form ….. ruining WvW since 12/20/12 ….

very good idea, sub server forums for recruiting PvE ppl and WvW help for newer players would also be a good idea.

The problem with one open wvw forum is, new player comes looking to try some wvw, that player gets some info but has no idea what guilds to contact on their server ect. That and they would have to sift through alot of negative post which in turn might make them change their mind about giving WvW a try.

I see nothing wrong with it, its not like it game breaking either person A or person B throws it down to be build, either way does it really matter who puts it down ?

I say we all go attack BP because it will make then whine and it will be amusing for everyone. Don’t worry NSP/GoM according to BP we could certainly hack all of us into their matchup.

Blackhammer.9150:

You know lots of trolling on all sides here but I’m gonna say I’m having a blast this week. As far as I can say about my server we are very paranoid about exploiters. If you ever have to fight Anvil Rock you will understand why. As far as the trolls go ignore them we haven’t had this much fun in a month honestly mostly due to the fights against DB and DH. kitten Wintersday best wvw week ever.

Its amusing that even though AR is not even part of the matchup BP is still using the exploit excuse.

Gotta agree with the other, no offence but your level 17 wearing gear that is basically there so your not naked. You only have 2 utility skills, Its really not that bad once you get at the very least your Elite skill and some greens to wear. I’m not trying to insult you are anything of that sort but common think about it, your level 17 going up against a lvl 80 whom probably has at least full rares if not exotics.

I leveled a character from level 5-80 in WvW solely and while I did get my kitten handed to me a few times along the way, I eventually got the hang of the class and was killing 80 when I was sub 80. Even at 80 there are some classes that if they catch you solo (dependant on your class/skill) will still destroy you. No the game is not perfectly balance and some classes do need tweeking but your level 17, even with boosted stats your not even 1/4 of that players level.

I’m sure everyone would be just fine with level 17’s running around killing all the 80’s in full exotics because that wouldn’t complete defeat the purpose of getting to 80 and getting gear. While were at it lets let level 1’s complete all the PvE content faster and more effectively then the level 80’s.

Maybe we could all just start at 80 and level down instead, I don’t know seems kinda balanced to me, I mean who wouldn’t want to lose all their exotics and levels so they could earn level 1 and gear with no stats. Next week in Bizzaro world, mobs that form groups to defeat players … stay tuned.

Tallis.5607:

It is true that all classes have abilities that are wanted.

But the portal is not wanted it is needed.

You can win in WWW without thiefs or elementalists (which I consider the 2nd & 3rd most useful class in WWW) ot without any other class. But you can’t win without mesmers. At least not in tier 3, where we play now.

Wow really, you can’t win without a mesmer … portals are needed not wanted, its sad you feel you actually need a portal to do anything. I wish we had people like you in our matchup that relied on portal to win fights, it would be free kills everytime they attempted to do pretty much anything.

wakko.5248:

Tortun.5946:

Support players have never really been rewarded in MMO’s…. you could spend your time as a full healer in other MMO’s in PvP and you’d get very little reward whilst they reaped in the benefits of it all.

It’s poopy but it happens in every MMO.

I think Warhammer Online is the best example of how support players get rewarded, that I’ve played at least. When you heal someone and he gets a kill, you get experience for that kill. Possibly not the full amount, but still, you get something. And if you played in a group with friends, you also got shared exp and loot. And healing also counted as contribution for EVENTS, they dont seem to do that in GW2 at all! Come one ArenaNet, throw supporters a bone. I dont care if I have to be in the front/fight to support, as long as I’m not forced to KILL people, but rather SUPPORT PEOPLE to get kills. And that should also be rewarded.

I loved playing support in Warhammer Online, you didnt feel left out like you feel in GW2. Too bad it had many other fundamental game design flaws.

DAoC Support system is and was the best, Warhammer originally being a Mythic product used cmore or less the same system, the only real difference was DAoC was more rewarding.

Jupitus.4352:

Errr…. roll thieves yourselves? Just a suggestion

Been there done that, killed multiples at lvl 5 with 1 utility. It wasn’t even funny how easy it was. Yes there is a major issue, but your not going to convince the ones that suck that it really is not their skill level winning fights.

In their minds they are skilled and that is why they can kill and escape with zero issue.

Not to be confused with the ones that truly are skilled, generally they are the ones that will admit theres an issue.

As usual it comes down to, some classes down state>other classes. I could care less if it was there or not tbh.

Something that should be discussed via tells or what not when it comes to same server. As for seperate servers arguing … seems to be the norm.

I think the free transfers were good for the first month so everyone could get where they wanted to be. They should have stopped there, now all its doing is killing of the lower servers and adding more time to Que’s for the higher servers.

Even with that said I think its to little to late now for some servers, the transfers have successfully killed them.

Very poor choice on Anets part to continue the free transfers.

Just take away the free transfers already imo. Long over due.

Better rewards/XP.

I’m not saying make it rediculous, but alot of PvE ppl get discouraged. Maybe if they could make some decent coin, a kitten decent drop rate, and level up with relative ease they may give it a try.

You can get xp fairly easilly depending on the situation in WvW but other times you get very little xp/coin/drops.

Increase the drop rate and xp for killing players, increase the XP for defending, and increase the loot drop rate for pretty much everything.

Personally, I have alot of respect for all 3 servers in this matchup.

AR – I have always been proud to be part of, we just refuse to lay down and die even when BP outnumbered us 3-1 we refused to just give up even when it was a lost cause.

NSP – Seems to have a good population for this bracket and also great players, I’ve had alot of fun fighting you guys, much respect.

GoM – Where to begin, I’ve always viewed GoM as one of the best servers out there, for their low Pop they have continually done their best to bring the pain. They had to face BP (which we can all attest was a number nightmare) and AR (who also outnumbers them) and they just refused to quit. I honestly believe they are one of there strongest servers out there, if they had the population they would be vicious. Always a pleasure to fight GoM.

I don’t think anyone can honestly say this matchup is a bad one, heck after fighting the mindless BP zerg for months (which I think helped both AR and GoM to better themselves) its refreshing to have a matchup thats not completely lopsided. I wish all three servers nothing but the best.

Thnx for the quick answer, I’m pleased with my defence but just need to squeeze a bit more dps in. Not alot just a little and if I lose the condition dmg I could do that but I didn’t want to find out the hard way that I would lose Dmg by taking away from conditions.

Topic says it all, built my engi for condition and am really dissapointed in the dmg. It seems Anet has gone over board with condition removal, or condition dmg is just kitten poor. Would focusing on Pwr/Pre/Crit be more effective ?

Duel pistol build.

Wow, has there been any point this week where AR isn’t getting it from both sides ? Was pretty fun defending hills & Bay from both Gom & NSP.

GJ AR.

Hate it, defeats the purpose of WvW take and hold system. No point in taking those towers now, the enemy can just re-cap over and over. Why not just give away those towers to the opposing realms and make them untakeable so no one wastes their time.

Meh still not sure if I’m fond of the breakout. I guess it helps but it seems like it can happen to often. I was originally under the impression that once you were pushed out of YOUR BL then you could use this, but to be able to do it on any BL and keep repeating the process just seems a bit dumb. I don’t think it was very well thought out on Anets part.

All its really done is prevent servers from taking those keeps because theres really no point, I fail to see how this helps WvW where you are trying to take & keep as much as possible. Why not just make those towers like the citadel, where they always belong to opposing server and can not be taken……..

Just my opinion

I gotta agree trying to condone exploits and chalking it up to Anet not fixing it is bad form.

Its kinda like saying I robbed a bank but its the police forces fault for not being stationed there 24/7.

Well its friday and the new matchup will be up and going in a few hours.

BP – All the best to you guys, hope you continue to keep moving up in matchups GL guys.
SF – Didn’t see you a whole lot but either way GL to you as well in your new matchups.
AR – I don’t think GoM is going to just lay down and die this time so we will need to be ready, I have a feeling their going to be coming strong.

Lets try and keep the next thread civil, and if it is happening (wasn’t there a few night due to flu) start reporting the people exploiting.

Kyrion.2749:

Nuzt.7894:

When you see a class popping in and out in the middle of an enemy zerg there is a clear indication that something is wrong, 1 player unafraid of 20+ ? Why are you even asking for feedback at this point.

Not much of a choice when our weaponset is primarily melee weapons and 900 range ranged weapons. Give thieves 1200-1500 range weapons, as the rest of classes, and you won’t see them as often on the middle of enemy zergs.
Oh, and all those players are certainly afraid of 20+ people… that’s why they use stealth.

Nuzt.7894:

Start by knocking down their speed so players can catch them and make them face the poor decision they made.

Which is choosing the thief profession, right?

Your missing the point, the fact that a thief will hang around in the middle of an enemy zerg without a worry speaks volumes. No class should be fearless of a zerg when they are solo.

The poor decision could be anything from trying to solo a gull group to just picking the wrong fight.