BG = Godfather
Mag = lol kittenters that blob everything, an abomination of a once great server.
FA = T2
TC= RP/PvE
SoS = Auzzies
DB = Bandwagon central
JQ = T1
YB = Siegeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
SBI = Good Puglets
AR = Sparta, Manly men with beards and stuff.
NSP = Below Average everything
the rest = LOL
Some classes excel more then others when it comes to Solo mainly because they can escape zergs better, they are faster, and some just have everything including the Kitchen sink built into their class.
Small Manning works with any class and like larger organized grp play is more dependant on the grp’s comp.
I’ve had to leave one guild and I’m contemplating leaving my current because I want to play my ranger in wvw and my guilds commander is ‘no rangers allowed lololol’
I don’t like Druid either. I like to pew pew with a longbow, not heal.
yeh i agree vanilla ranger should bring the roam\pewpew\skirimish type of gameplay ranger is supposed to have.
Druid should brimg sustain for the group, and not dps. I never understood what was doing a pure dps thing in a druid were any other trait, weapon and skill is about sustain. It sounded more like pushing down in the raid players throats the druid concept.
ranger had a great support option with buffs nobody had: mobile spirits. Bring that back so ranger have a support option.
Ranger lacked also sustain, and there is were the druid comes in. That class should bring enough sustain by itself that the druid should be able to sustain fighting melee against a reaper or a warrior by their active abilities. And how Anet said once in a while: being able to sustain an squad of 10 people around him.
Druid should become tougher the more healing stat he invest, more resilientp to conditions, easier healing, harder to get down: exponentially.
but because of the active abilities instead passive. Druid does not need the 12 seconds full immunity from the warrior, only needs ways to reduce the income damage and ways to recover quickly by stronger defensive defenses (healing, damage reduction, stealth\evade) and active defenses (taunt, immobilize, daze).
And balance all that with the pet so it doesn"t become 50 caliber machine gun with a nuke proof bunker around like the warrior is.
By standing at 1200-1500 range, a druid can already avoid big part of the dmg in a skirmish fight and that’s a huge benefit. The druid was designed to give ranger better sustain in duels and better condi clear…we’ve got it all.
Whether people like it or not, elite specs are used to promote expansions ; relatively to other core specs, the ranger is plenty balanced and received numerous buffs: shouts/signet/weapon skills/trait.
They buffed shouts all of them, buffed sword-warhorn-shortbow-greatsword-few core pets, buffed core traits..all this since HoT release, you received one the best treatment for core spec among all classes.
Druid was designed with a purpose in mind and it does it perfectly no complaints : Druid is bloody amazing like the HoT pets, now if you want a zerg minded spec….you can either wait for next expansion and next elite spec which I’m sure will be melee oriented/tank brawler for zerg fights [ basically that’s the only role ranger can’t cover atm perfectly] or you can temporarily use a different profession for wvw mode.
You can still use partially viable builds as druid in wvw, not the end of the world, but for your meta spec….wait or reroll but stop complaining about ranger/druid: the class atm is overall balanced and optimized but like other it lacks in few areas..still respect to many others, a ranger can have something worth praising Anet for : build diversity
All this comes from somebody who played ele for well over 3k hours and permanently swapped to ranger recently, because at the contrary of the real pet class…a ranger doesn’t need a coordinated group to function at 100%
P.S really think about how lucky rangers are respect to ele…your elite has not been designed to work only with 2 lines in mind (earth/water) and at a fixed range ( overloads are just melee skills)
You seem confused about range and how a druid seems intended to be played. The Bow can go up to 1500 not the staff, staff 5 water field is 900, CA 3 water field isn’t a ground target, healing spring isn’t a ground target, so of the 3 water fields they have 1 of them has a range and it’s only 900 on a kitten poor field. The other CA abilities are useful for clearing condi at range or healing with no range except CA #1 which isn’t going to keep an organized grp sustained which is why Water Fields are the go to and Ele/Temp still trump the Druid.
For a Druid to be it’s most effective (support/sustain wise) in WvW it requires the Druid to be in the thick of battle using his/her water fields as well as clearing condi’s which could be done from range but negates their most useful heals. It was poorly designed, now if CA #3 and Healing spring had 1200-1500 range ground targets you would have a valid argument, but they don’t. Which brings us full round to the, anything you can do I can do better argument. As someone who has played both Ele/Temp and Druid, The Ele/Temp wins hands down for party/squad spot. I do wish this wasn’t the case because I do enjoy my Druid but I’m going to bring what is most useful for the team.
Unsure how this will play out on a longer period but as for now i can see it’s not a good idea as it might favor the already dominating side. Just keep everything paper and hold your t3s.
This is pretty much spot on, it will just enable the dominant server to get bigger wins.
That’s indeed a problem but what incentive you have to attack T3 objectives when you can capture paper ones and have the same effect? I think the ideal would be if the upgrades on objectives reseted with each skirmish, making you have to work toward upgrading them if you intent to make them T3 for the points.
How about extra points for capturing a T3 keep but PPT remains the same.
This should be the incentive, the Server with the T3 keep shouldn’t be getting more points, the Server that manages to capture a T3 objective should get a considerable boost in points for the capture itself. Once again Anet did it kitten backwards.
I could be wrong but it sounds like you are paying for other players to not log on for a couple days in order to drop population and open said server. I don’t see how one person could cause this, in the case of a certain unnamed server this would require a lot of people to not log on for x amount of time so it sounds more like a scam. If it’s not a scam, then it’s clearly manipulation of server population proving further Anets incompetence if it actually works.
Uhhm… not quite certain I understand the point of your post.
You want that the moment you enter WvW you and everyone else gets put into 1 Squad?
Might be different play styles here, I’ve typically avoided squads unless it’s my own guild running one. As they bore me, and I hate listening to all the useless stuff they talk about, and whining at people to do this or that etc.
This is what I’m getting from it, he/she feels you should auto join squads. No thank you, many Commanders close their squads for specific reasons anywhere from you’re not in TS to you’re on a Ranger. That should be and currently is the Squad leaders prerogative who he/she lets in the squad.
It’s a WORLD vs WORLD map, not “Commander A” vs some other “Commander” and the rest are just some kind of a “map filling” because they don’t fit the commander’s perspective for “WvW” pvp. If they want to run with their own group around doing stuff they like – there are smaller PvP maps and even PvE maps, because frankly some of these commanders do nothing but run around and cap Forts or supply locations avoiding PvP. I also see Commanders with poor decision making as to what and where on the map to attack next, not even splitting the team when capping smaller objectives to speed it up but instead drag 30 some players with them across the entire map in a some form of a Brownian motion.
Isn’t the role of a player in a WvW map to help their world win rather that doing their own chores?
About the spies – there are already spies on the map, called “scouts”, how are they any different than actual spies? Plus if the players in a world are smart enough, as a whole, they will always make sure to have eyes on their opponents to know what their movement around the map is.
You sound angry, this is a game, those commanders purchased the game, if they want to run around with a closed squad and pick flowers they can do so. It is not your choice to say how others should play or enjoy the game no matter how highly you think of yourself. They do not need to go to smaller maps because you don’t like it. Buy yourself a tag and include everyone if thats what you want to do but don’t expect everyone to see things your way. Show us where the naughty commander touched you.
I asked the question in Ranger forums, if they insist on shoving Pets down Rangers/Druids throats why is it there is no pet with AoE stability Available on their F2?
This would be a step forward in making the class a little more desirable, sure they would need more then just that but that alone would be a huge leap forward.
Give it to a bear.
strength of the pact already has stab
Well aware of this 3 stack 60 sec CD Elite. The point is to try and get something more inline with most other classes. 60 sec is to long of a CD, 25-30 sec is what you guys should be pushing for, and there is no reason why it couldn’t be an F2 ability on the pet, god knows there is a plethora of useless pets in the game.
You also have a stab on Signet of the Wild but again it’s a 60 sec CD, an ability like Stability should never be on a 60 sec CD because at that point the skill becomes useless and will always lose out to something more efficient.
Both of which are personal stabs (pet included), they need more stuff that benefits the grp/raid/squad imo.
You forgot the biggest problem with both of those stabs, neither is instant cast.
Having a 1 sec cast time on a stability skill is moronic.
Enlargement is insta-cast though. Even having perma-stability (some AoE) still does not warrant a Druid in WvW though over other classes. Because the fundamental Druid/Ranger issue IS the slow, clunky pet that doesn’t hit targets and projectile hate in general with many fast-attacking abilities.
Druid/Ranger “support” options is not really it’s WvW zerg problem (a shout Guardian/Tempest still would be preferred). More Stability (for any class) would sure be welcome but not the issue.
Projectile hate limits a lot of options for a lot of classes including Rangers (since projectile hate kills other teammates). And fast-attacking abilities (Longbow/Shortbow/Axe) gets you killed because of retribution boon.
Druid is awesome in roaming/solo and horrible when enemy players can layer Retribution boon and projectile hate over one another. That’s why it isn’t grand when you see Druids not using Staff and/or a Sword/GS weapon in zerg play as you know they are actually helping the enemy team more frequently (read: liability) than they should be.
You’re right it doesn’t warrant it with just Stability but it is a step in the right direction. Change staff #5 to a larger Water Field, Glyph and Signets could be reworked to provide more utility to groups. There is plenty they “should” have done when introducing it. I agree though Stab alone is still not enough to warrant Druid > Ele but at least they wouldn’t be a liability.
I personally would probably run a Staff/GS build in this type of game play.
Why is there no pets that Grant AoE stability on a reasonable CD (25-30 Sec)? With all the Boons and Conditions that pets have a variety of I don’t understand why this was left off the table.
You want to make Ranger/Druids more desirable in WvW team play ? This would be a quick easy fix to help in that department.
You have stability.
Now if you want a character that was left always at the mercy of others who share stability – Revenant.
Rangers/Druids have 2 stabilities both on 60 CD and are not AoE, you will note I said AoE, the point is to give them more Grp/Raid/Squad utility.
If you’re unhappy with Rev please direct yourself to the Rev forum, it’s below this one.
Can’t really answer this currently and here’s why, Right now you have BG (most stacked) and Maguuma (stacked but not to BG extent) and then you have TC/FA/YB/SBI/JQ all of which are smaller then Mag and BG. With the current match up it’s almost impossible to see which of the 5 would be the 3rd T1. The T2 match up show YB losing but that’s due to Mag admittedly focusing YB hard so if Mag wasn’t in the picture would they be beating FA ? Who knows. TC and JQ are in the same position , impossible to tell who belongs where when they are facing the monster that is BG.
The top 2 tiers are so fubar right now it’s not even funny. If I had to guess I would say probably JQ will be the third …. Maybe.
I asked the question in Ranger forums, if they insist on shoving Pets down Rangers/Druids throats why is it there is no pet with AoE stability Available on their F2?
This would be a step forward in making the class a little more desirable, sure they would need more then just that but that alone would be a huge leap forward.
Give it to a bear.
strength of the pact already has stab
Well aware of this 3 stack 60 sec CD Elite. The point is to try and get something more inline with most other classes. 60 sec is to long of a CD, 25-30 sec is what you guys should be pushing for, and there is no reason why it couldn’t be an F2 ability on the pet, god knows there is a plethora of useless pets in the game.
You also have a stab on Signet of the Wild but again it’s a 60 sec CD, an ability like Stability should never be on a 60 sec CD because at that point the skill becomes useless and will always lose out to something more efficient.
Both of which are personal stabs (pet included), they need more stuff that benefits the grp/raid/squad imo.
Combat Healing and Healing are two very different things. I would still say an Ele is the better healer in a WvW combat environment. Now if you weren’t required to move, and the two just stood side by side Druid would win in healing but that’s not realistic in WvW.
Ele just brings more to the table, and that stuff isn’t a process to use/activate like some of the Druid abilities. I had so much hope for Druid prior to HoT release, the potential was there but it was just another case of Anet dropping the ball resulting in Druid taking a backseat to Ele.
I asked the question in Ranger forums, if they insist on shoving Pets down Rangers/Druids throats why is it there is no pet with AoE stability Available on their F2?
This would be a step forward in making the class a little more desirable, sure they would need more then just that but that alone would be a huge leap forward.
Give it to a bear.
Or Pigs, pigs are pretty useless, might give people a reason to use them. TBH I really don’t care which pet, the very idea of being able to provide AoE stability on a 25-30 sec CD would make me consider using Druids more often. Sorry Rangers you still wouldn’t bring enough to the table.
Jweez
My advice. Don’t read the forums or watch video’s. Get in the game and experience for yourself.
This is bad advice, if you are asking specifically about WvW, you are getting the appropriate answers here.
Lots of people playing, problem is a good chunk of people are playing on 2 servers. BG is in it’s own Tier, Maguuma is the only real T1 server and we have a bout 5 servers that could reside in T2, the rest seem to be somewhat balanced and are active during NA prime for the most part.
I asked the question in Ranger forums, if they insist on shoving Pets down Rangers/Druids throats why is it there is no pet with AoE stability Available on their F2?
This would be a step forward in making the class a little more desirable, sure they would need more then just that but that alone would be a huge leap forward.
Rewards will just mean more stacking. Why hand certain servers this just because they got the numbers.
To counter this, lower the server population cap such that the current top 5 servers will be full for quite a while.
I’d do this just on principle, Anet needs to get a backbone imo. Puts some lower caps out there, then laugh as they Queue Queue about not being able to play on their over stacked jokes.
I’d be fine with utilities that give Stab as well, you knows ones that don’t have a 60 sec CD. But they want to shove pets down Ranger/Druids throats so, it makes sense that the pet might be kitten useful.
Population wise as a whole, it’s not broken or dead by any means. Population balance wise is a complete mess, there’s a couple servers where calling them over stacked is an understatement, match ups in T1 and T2 are a gong show. Anet looks the other way doing nothing to correct it or even attempt to correct it. If you pretend it’s not an issue I guess it’s not.
So it really depends what server you are on and what tier you are in.
3 teams is always better then 2, 2 teams will result in 1 team dominating the other almost 100% of the time. With 3 teams there’s always the off chance that 2 can team up against 1 should the match up be extremely lopsided.
I think you’re confused, OP. No one is double teaming Yaks Bend, they’re also fighting each other. The difference is, FA and Maguuma are defending their stuff.
Yaks Bend used to be the defense server, siege and scouts everywhere. You guys just have lost your touch and it isn’t a challenge taking your stuff anymore. Everyone takes Yaks Bends stuff because it is easy to do. It is too hard for FA and Maguuma to take each others stuff, not that we don’t try to take each others stuff, just that it is easier to take Yaks Bends.
I can’t say that I feel bad for YB or want them to get back to their roots, I’d really just like them to fall to the abyss of T4 and stay there.
To be fair, I don’t think it’s a case of lost your touch, it’s more a case of Mag outnumbering YB 100:1 (slight exaggeration). Add to that they hate YB and while they are hitting FA as well, their main focus is shutting down YB.
Why is there no pets that Grant AoE stability on a reasonable CD (25-30 Sec)? With all the Boons and Conditions that pets have a variety of I don’t understand why this was left off the table.
You want to make Ranger/Druids more desirable in WvW team play ? This would be a quick easy fix to help in that department.
There isn’t much else out there that isn’t dated or unfinished in terms of the 3 way open world RvR/WvW/AvA type stuff. GW2 combat is pretty fluid (don’t confuse that with balanced) it’s a shame they never realized the gold mine they were sitting on and chose to treat WvW as an after thought.
Cannons themselves were not the issue, the excessive amount of siege available is the issue. IMO siege should only be used to capture a keep/tower or be used to defend a keep/tower. It has no place in open field, and is to readily available, we do not need AC’s, Ballista, Cata’s, Trebs, Rams, Cannons, Mortars, Golems, and the personal cannons, it’s simply to much siege availability. They could stand to get rid of a few more siege items if you ask me.
No it’s not a 2 v 1, Mag is probably the second largest server and they just happen to dislike YB more then FA. It may seem as a 2 v 1 but I suspect that if FA attacks Mag they also face being steam rolled by the Mag 200 man roaming grp, so they fight what they can handle which would be YB. There is no coordinated 2 v 1, there is only biting off what you can chew, and neither server can chew on Mags numbers.
We’ve established this, but anet should be doing a better job of preventing it.
What do you think would happen in society if there was no Justice system or Law enforcement? Us idiots would do whatever we pleased regardless of the supposed laws. We need someone to enforce some kind of order or else everything becomes Chaos, which is exactly what you are seeing.
They closed cause anet is blind and can not see they have less population as Crystal desert and bg went five mins with out haveing commander tag on and ever went crazy.
This is the very definition of tragedy. I can see now why it must be opened, next time it might be 6 or 7 minutes.
Uhhm… not quite certain I understand the point of your post.
You want that the moment you enter WvW you and everyone else gets put into 1 Squad?
Might be different play styles here, I’ve typically avoided squads unless it’s my own guild running one. As they bore me, and I hate listening to all the useless stuff they talk about, and whining at people to do this or that etc.
This is what I’m getting from it, he/she feels you should auto join squads. No thank you, many Commanders close their squads for specific reasons anywhere from you’re not in TS to you’re on a Ranger. That should be and currently is the Squad leaders prerogative who he/she lets in the squad.
The last mass transfer was a brutal blow for WvW, Mag is a close second but BG still heavily out populates them. What we currently have is 1 T0 server (BG) 1 T1 Server (Mag) and I don’t even know at this point 5 T2 Servers? (SBI, YB, TC, FA, JQ). Anet really needs to man up admit their Formula/Algorithm is flat out wrong. I don’t even think there is a reasonable way of fixing this disaster at this point.
It’s not the algorithm that’s the problem. It’s the fact people deliberately manipulate it.
Which means it’s the Algorithm, if it can be so easily manipulated it should not be used because it obviously is giving incorrect information, and yet they still believe it to be gospel. It’s not like it’s a best kept secret that certain servers have been manipulating population counts for quite sometime now. The Algorithm is failing due to this, therefore it is not a properly functioning tool that populations should be based off of.
I’m sure at some point they will delete this thread, tell us it never happened, followed by opening up BG because their metrics show that BG has the least amount of players across all servers.
It is an issue, I don’t know what BG looked like on reset but I do know Mag had 3 maps significantly queued. It really has gotten to the point (more so after this last bout of mass transfers) that they should seriously consider just blowing up the servers and starting fresh while taking measures to at least try and achieve a small semblance of balance. Perfect balance will never happen but there are methods to bring it more in line than the current method.
ur post is pointless consider over half of ppl only logon to play reset night and u will never see them again till next reset.
You keep telling yourself that, if that’s what you need to justify it then all the power to you.
The last mass transfer was a brutal blow for WvW, Mag is a close second but BG still heavily out populates them. What we currently have is 1 T0 server (BG) 1 T1 Server (Mag) and I don’t even know at this point 5 T2 Servers? (SBI, YB, TC, FA, JQ). Anet really needs to man up admit their Formula/Algorithm is flat out wrong. I don’t even think there is a reasonable way of fixing this disaster at this point.
It is an issue, I don’t know what BG looked like on reset but I do know Mag had 3 maps significantly queued. It really has gotten to the point (more so after this last bout of mass transfers) that they should seriously consider just blowing up the servers and starting fresh while taking measures to at least try and achieve a small semblance of balance. Perfect balance will never happen but there are methods to bring it more in line than the current method.
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