Guild Wars 2

There is no consequence currently for poor decisions on a thiefs part.
High burst
Extremely mobile
Invisible 99% of the time (not their fault, please find a rendering fix already)
However the real low blow for many players I have talked to is … you overcome all of the above and the thief just laughs and runs away, and that right there is the most BS part of the class.

Zero consequence’s, I’m shocked Anet needs to ask for feedback. Thieves are going to deny their OP nature, its natural they don’t want to have to work for their achievements. Any danger they may face is a moot point because to them its not a danger.

When you see a class popping in and out in the middle of an enemy zerg there is a clear indication that something is wrong, 1 player unafraid of 20+ ? Why are you even asking for feedback at this point.

Start by knocking down their speed so players can catch them and make them face the poor decision they made.

Honestly the worst part imo is their ability to escape which negates any consequence for their actions.

Invisible for 99% of any fight (annoying as hell but not their fault)
Extremely high damage output (difficult to deal with but its what they do)
Very mobile (also difficult to deal with but doable)
Being able to sprint away without a care in the world when their outplayed/skilled (pure BS)

They will probably ask you to send it to them via their support center.
I would think they would shun posting it, people will abuse it before they fix it so I would recommend visiting the support tab and linking it to them personally rather then the community.

Fix rendering, then if thieves still stroll through PvP without a care in the world, then think about what needs to be nerfed and whatnot.

I’m sure they do need tweeks even if rendering is fixed but currently with the rendering issue its hard to say.

The biggest issue I have with them right now is they have complete control of any fight, the being able to just end combat and run away anytime the fight is not going their way is rediculous.

Multiple vanishes coupled with speed boosts to run away anytime something is not going completely in their favor is just poor design. Hitting hard and fast then escaping is one thing, hitting hard and fast and continue to hit hard and fast without a worry of danger because if all else fail they can just run away is utter BS.

Also wishing Ktith GL, you seemed unhappy on AR so I hope you find a home you and your folks enjoy.

1) Enter WvW
2) Find enemy
3) Target enemy
4) Smash face on keyboard
5) Repeat as needed

I’m thinking, most PvP/WvW players can get away without them if they choose. PvE though depends on their ideas for future Dungeons and what not, it may be required for these folks.

Personally I WvW 99% of my playtime so exotics will be fine until I’m the lastone without the new gear.

Hardrock.8630:

Nuzt.7894:

Hi, AR would like to inform you those Golems … its amazing what chain swiftness and 3 mesmers can do but I won’t point out the sillyness of that part of your post. As far as the ppl in the keep, not sure about that one could have been a mesmer stealth portal but I wasn’t there so not sure. Or if ths was garrison or in EB we had quite a few golems porting directly to gates and knocking them down in record time. I should elaborate a bit so you understand, we used portals to get to gates quickly.

If you had been wise enough to actually look at our matchup thread you would see a couple screen shots of the golems, but it was nice of you to come and try to smear the server due to lack of knowledge.

This without a doubt made me laugh so hard I fell out of my chair. Golems are slower than dirt, there is no way in hell Swiftness chains will ever speed them up into being like a speed hack, nice try though, p.s I’ve seen a chain swiftness golem, I outran them with auto-run. /thread on you, bro.

OP suggested they were moving a million miles an hour, I assure you they were only going as fast as Swiftness + Portal can make them but its good that you really believe they went a million miles an hour, not sure how the OP witnessed this as thats faster then the human eye could have picked up on. Next week AR plans to use our new million mile an hour golems to travel to a new galaxy and find new planets with intelligent life forms, stay tuned folks.

Gahn.8150:

Nuzt.7894:

Oh kitten you can evade twice in 4 diff directions L2use it and not stand in bad. You ppl need to stop kittening already. If anything portal gives YOU a perfect AoE target. So sick of ppl who can’t figure out simple mechanics crying about abilities.

In fact, apart your childish language and debatable overall intelligence shown in this post, you nailed the point; i can’t Aoe more than 5 out of the 100 ported by Portal.

See the flawed mechanic now or is needed to be explained better?

If your the only one AoEing it then …. I just don’t even know what to say about that, I guess kudos on being the only intelligent one in the area ? Simply put, move away from the portal and everyone (not just you) start throwing AoE’s.

Checkout the “Actual Hackers – ARG” threag in the wvw forums. Real classy, now I’m not going to blame BP for this guys ignorance, but could some of you that were there explain to this poor guy how the Golems/portal/swiftness/coordination works.

I get it if he truly does not understand the mechanics of the game but trashing the server like that is just bad form.

Hi, AR would like to inform you those Golems … its amazing what chain swiftness and 3 mesmers can do but I won’t point out the sillyness of that part of your post. As far as the ppl in the keep, not sure about that one could have been a mesmer stealth portal but I wasn’t there so not sure. Or if ths was garrison or in EB we had quite a few golems porting directly to gates and knocking them down in record time. I should elaborate a bit so you understand, we used portals to get to gates quickly.

If you had been wise enough to actually look at our matchup thread you would see a couple screen shots of the golems, but it was nice of you to come and try to smear the server due to lack of knowledge.

Oh kitten you can evade twice in 4 diff directions L2use it and not stand in bad. You ppl need to stop kittening already. If anything portal gives YOU a perfect AoE target. So sick of ppl who can’t figure out simple mechanics crying about abilities.

Warlord Lu Bu.7905:

So I just witnessed a low level mesmer at Anvil Rock’s spawn in Eternal Battleground flying through the air over and into the Anvil Rock Overlook Keep.

I partied a few Anvil Rock players to try and find out the identity. Emusa.4069 was not willing to help and likely told this hacker to leave the map. By the time I ran into some Anvil Rock players that were willing to help give a name, the hacker had left.

Now I understand all about the mesmer and I know you can teleport around a bit, but nonstop teleporting everytime you try any attack, and then flying through the air is utter trash.

I’m hoping most of Anvil Rock would agree with me that players like that mesmer don’t belong and should be banned. I also say that if anyone sees someone from BP doing the same, I will gladly help give a name. We need to call these cheaters out and I ask anyone with a shred of dignity to take part and help when you see stuff like that.

I agree with this and if I happen to see said individual while I’m on I will be sure to report him. Lame people like this make the rest of us look bad and I have no intention of looking bad because of some tool.

bp 129k, AR 43k, SF 39k

Nothing is wrong with it, the issue was this game was sold as not having it and thus those of us who purchased it under that pretense feel cheated and lied to.

If it was advertised as a vertical progression game then there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Indeed, this thread has gotten out of hand. BP has alot more ppl its a fact whether its transfer, better community, more ppl that enjoy WvW whatever it doesn’t matter. I’m not going to say “hahaha you all suck” because its not true but your lying to yourselves if your going to insist that your population has zero to do with it.

As for the players being treated good or bad, I’ve personally never seen anyone just start throwing out insults to new PvP players. I’m sure it has happened but not that I have witnessed, I wish we could get people out of PvE and into WvW but for whatever reason it doesn’t happen on AR.

Either way its been fun, I give props to BP because as I said before even if populations were equal it would have been great battles that could go either way. Numbers help and roles reversed SF or AR would probably be in the lead not because anyone of our servers are baddies but lets face it, in WvW numbers win wars.

Now I’m sure someone will be mad and try and twist my post into “you said we wouldn’t win without numbers” but that is not the case. I just think its sad this thread has turned into a flame war on all sides. I’m sure BP will keep trucking up in the tiers and kudo’s to them. I just hope we AR can get some more ppl into WvW so we can meet you guys in another tier.

Those rangers r ruining the game for everyone with their laughable bow dmg, terrible pet design, and just straight up crapness.

Never complain about a ranger, they really are that bad.

Commander name: Ronny Raygun
Commander prime time: Until he passes out
Server: Anvil Rock
What makes this commander your favorite?: he drinks beer, he drinks beer, and he organizes the zerg to actually do something productive.
Guild: TCMM

Ya, we had some great battles thus far, few less BP and I think it would have been a very close matchup between the 3.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

It’s kind of sad to see AR qqing, people should go read their posts from last week. When people said the same things they are saying to us now. It’s so cute to see the hypocrisy.

Can’t wait to get back in the game, had to stay away for a week so I could get my matches done for the new season.

I wouldn’t call it QQ’ing because 1 person called it “unfun” many of us have said were enjoying the great battles but its not possible to match BP’s numbers. Its a fact not a QQ. Oh and our post last week, many of us stated is was not enjoyable to completely dominate. I’m sure some bragged but the simple fact was much like it is now, they just couldn’t match our numbers.

Good job at being ignorant though.

As far as nerfing the thief class … I don’t agree, right now they are fine (rendering is the issue not the class) once the rendering is fixed then we will know if they truly need a nerf or not. I still think half the thieves will quit their class once it is fixed and they have to actually fight players that can see them.

So how many thieves do you think will reroll if and when the rendering issues are fixed ? I’m guessing at least 50%. Then those rerolls will complain that the new class they play needs a buff because they actually died.

testpig.5018:

If the fights keep up at this pace, i would love for this to be the next match up for the next few weeks. I really don’t want BP to be the top dog.

The fights in AR were wild.

At one point some players from BP couldn’t handle the pressure of SF and AR hitting us in that lake, so they vanished! only to reappear when the remaining 2 commanders have already streamlined the zone.

Would be fun but, right now it seems BP has way to many players. As much as I personally enjoy fighting BP I gotta say if your population remains or grows you need to move up, the other two servers just don’t have the man power to be in 4 diff maps at a time.

It seems BP managed to collect even more players since the AR/GoM/BP matches.

Don’t get me wrong I’m not complaining, just stating the obvious.

I’ll still be there though

Because they were not smart enough to get away from the big glowing pink circle, or were to lazy to sweep the keep/tpwer.

sounds to me like someone who couldn’t cut it in PvP is butt hurt because they can’t sit above killing ppl with no chance to fight back.

Its really annoying to spend gold on guild armor just to realise half the emblem is covered by shoulder armor on cloth. Not a big deal I can just buy a different pair of shoulders and transmute … oh wait those shoulders look terrible I’ll just spend some MORE gold on diff shoulders … wtf they look like crap too.

I’m hoping you get the point, really if your going to charge a gold for guild armor NOTHING should block the emblem, and please add the preview to the market already.

1: placing our siege hinders us not you
2: AR has faced BP for … I forget how many weeks/months
3: don’t post about stuff if your not aware how it works
4: I’m glad AR got the Butt Hurt Player Achievement
5: how many times have people claimed AR is exploiting only to have it thrown in their face that A: its not a glitch or B: NPC’s can’t see stealth ect ect ect

Really get some new material BP knows what to expect from AR.

Happened a lot in DAoC, but in DAoC you knew the players by name as soon as you targeted them making it easier to figure out who is leading zergs ect so now you have a name to contact instead of random <insert server invader here>.

Mind you, there was no real ranking system so you always fought the same people. By ranking system I mean the ladder system not realm ranks.

Kaine.3421:

Nah, that Anet employee was actually playing a Theif

Why does this not surprise me.

Nothing wrong with portal.
1) Don’t let mesmers hide in keeps/towers check everywhere or you deserve to get invaded.
2) Portal bombs are easy to avoid, see that rather large obvious pink circle that doesn’t belong … AoE it.
3) Again that large pink circle on the ground … get out of it don’t stand there or you deserve to get bombed.

I really don’t get why people kitten so much about portal its not like its singlehandedly winning the battles everywhere, and if it is … well I guess you deserve to lose.

If used correctly it can be powerful but you need to coordinate to use it effectively, it doesn’t just happen all on its own.

I don’t think anyone wants to relive that matchup, I’m actually pulling for GoM & ET to get some more players coming their way. As I stated before complete domination is boring. The unfortunate part is GoM could be a force if they had a few more players, I can’t comment on ET as I rarely see them, their kinda like big foot … not really sure if they exist or not.

epicsmooth.7825:

jkctmc.8754:

Some bad Warriors in here. You do not have to give up damage, for defense.

My Warrior has over 3k attack, 3k armor, 27k hit points, and 70% critical once I enter combat. Slot the Superior Sigil that grants 30% chance to lifesteal on crit, and use the food that grans 66% to lifesteal on crit, while utilizing shout heals on top of one of your weapon sets being two weapons, so the second weapon gives lifesteal on weapon swap, and you’re doing both insane damage, and have insane defense capabilities.

In WvW my Warrior hands down is tankier than my Guardian, and my Warrior can do easily 5 times the damage my Guardian does. I’ve shown other Warriors complaining about their class that I can solo Supply Camps, with the Claimant having the immunity buff, and keep him busy until the buff wears off, and kill him. Not once getting below half health.

Warriors do not need to do that much damage with Kill Shot, or Eviscerate in order to be viable, and in a game where you’re paying attention to more than just the Warriors, you’re going to get hit with these abilities, and Kill Shot also works with Piercing. When I was running with a Rifle, I’d get multiple high hits, as the shot traveled its full distance.

So you changed out crit damage for vit and toughtness.

So you gave up damage for defense….

Skilled players don’t fear balance, they welcome it.

Seems you are confusing WvW and sPvP

Nuzt.7894:

Most PvP players that have played for years will agree that battles that have a duration are A: more rewarding and B: more enjoyable. That and the fact that they know how to assist/focus while grp’d so things melt without stupidly high burst.

So what about the rest of the player base? besides the small group you talk about?

Are you saying you prefer face rolling or 2 second fights ? Explain what is even remotely enjoyable about running up to another player hitting 2 keys and watching them implode (slight exaggeration but you get the point) ? I mean don’t get me wrong there are people who enjoy this but they usually play FPS.

Or if you agree with my theory of longer fights being more rewarding and enjoyable why bother trying to make an argument ?

Regardless there is still never a reason for any class to hit anyone for 2/3 of there health with one attack. Why not just buff weapons to encompass all armor stats as well and let everyone run around naked 1 shotting each other.

I’m not saying a small man can’t take any classes and succeed, I’m saying it usually (key word) makes life easier with certain classes.

A great player is a great player even if their playing a Ranger chances are your not going to turn them down. With the current state of classes though if you had a choice of what your buddies were going to play the 3 sub par classes probably wouldn’t be the best choice.

Pretty much, DAoC is the ONLY game I have ever seen world pvp done right (not to say they didn’t have their issue) but the general landscape diff maps ect was well thought out.

Agree to an extent, crits should never breach 10k on ANY skill, the people who enjoy 2 second fights are generally Bads who cannot compete unless they have a clear advantage, rerolls whom do so for the same reason as bads.

Most PvP players that have played for years will agree that battles that have a duration are A: more rewarding and B: more enjoyable. That and the fact that they know how to assist/focus while grp’d so things melt without stupidly high burst.

I realize the player is not 80 but if your going to allow sub 80’s in then cap out all dmg at 10k, I would even say that 10k is to high but hey all the whiners are probably already butt hurt over a suggestion that they should not be able to smash their faces on a keyboard and win.

I fail to see where I disrespected GoM ? As for BP well did you ever actually watch them in action ? If they didn’t have numbers the server would have been deleted due to stupidity.

dekyos.1548:

I do havoc with engineer all the time, and I’ve been known to charge into zergs that have my group outmanned 3 to 1 before.

Having the right food and slots are important, like any other class. And I dunno what you’re talking about with mobility, engineers get permaswiftness by putting 10 points into toolbelt.

Your missing the point, regardless of skill anything you do a Mesmer, guardian, ele, thief, war can do better. People who run small mans don’t just grab random classes they grab what is most effective. So regardless of how well you yourself do does not mean your class is on par.

No not a good idea, server pride and all. giving each color (server) a different map would be a great start though.

its been about 3 weeks including this one, GoM was going strong but a lot of ppl leaving for whatrever server really hurt it seems. Its a shame because BP was just pitiful, they seemed to be really unorganized and only managed to pull ahead because of number where as GoM seemed to have some pretty competent players that had no issues wiping larger numbers. Unfortunately those guilds can’t be on 24/7.

Engi, Ranger, Necro all need serious work, not sure when or if it will happen. Anet seem blind to the enormous gap between some classes, I’m not saying a well played X class is always going to be bad but what those three classes bring to the table the other 5 can do better. Its a shame really.

I’ve actually found this matchup to be completely lame and boring, I have resorted to going into PvE. It seems like GoM has given up and ET never even showed up, AR’s been mindlessly running around looking for anything they can take.

Its been pretty kitten boring actually, I zone in and zone right back out because we already own everything, this is not fun and although I’m glad that it seems a lot of AR seem to enjoy winning for a change, complete domination is not fun in the slightest.

I’ve been playing less since this matchup I find, Been wanting to level my guardian up but hate doing PvE so I’m only on for maybe an hour before I log. I seriously hope this changes with the next matchup either new servers to face that actually put up a fight or the ones that are here now come out anc join the party.

This is not an insult to GoM or ET, I’m sure AR received transfers or more PvE ppl in WvW or whatever the reason. I really hope they take away the free transfers soon because its ruining the game imo.

First, that I have noticed we have not received any (major) transfers. I’m sure there has been a few but no guilds that I have seen. Second, I’m actually surprised at the GoM turnout, I’m more inclined to think those transfers went your way due to inactivity/activity numbers. Your server was all but dead with the exception of a few who I gotta say made up for lack of support with skill (I’m looking @ u newl) and now you throw down the transfer to anvil hammer ?

bad form.

Guardian, thief, Mesmer, ele, war

I miss 8manning, its nice to see bringing it back to MMO’s. Personally the closest thing I have seen to this on our server/wvw matchup is newl.

Hate getting rolled by them because I don’t have a competent grp to fight them but watching them destroy superior numbers always makes me smile.

Xavi.6591:

Roborovskii.7635:

Please select difficulty level:

1. Chicken Feet (Warrior)
2. Easy (Guardian)
3. Normal (Thief)
4. Nightmare (Mesmer)
5. Hell (Necromancer)
6. Inferno (Elementalist)
7. Hardcore (Engineer)
8. OMGWTF (Ranger)

Really? Ranger is one of the easier classes to play.

But one of the hardest to compete with comparative to other classes, you actually have to think and play with a ranger VS. smashing your face on the keyboard and winning.

Foehn.2489:

I’m trying to understand the issue at hand.

-Fractals are fun. Play more of it and you get rewarded, akin to dungeons but with new shiny gear. Don’t like it? Go back to running dungeons for exotics, still takes time and effort. (-minor stat points)

-So why do people have issue with those players that are more dedicated to the game to receive an slight edge (mostly kitten) over the rest? In this case the gear is for PvE and WvW, do you ever hear anyone ask for a gear check?

-It’s just a sense of progression, like leveling to 80, or all the other tiers of gear, its there so you can do something in that aspect of the game. Play it for fun, not let such minimal reasons work up a storm in ya.

-They even have sPvP for complete fairness and play given to any account for free. I mean, is there any large MMO out there that gives you max level all class right off the bat with equal gear to do as you please against others?

I agree completely there needs to be fixes (MF) and other additions besides gear, but game is new and so far all the updates are exciting is has been a blast.

All your points are irrelevant, the game was sold as a non treadmill gear grind game, so regardless of how significant or insignificant the gear grind is does not matter, its still a grind. I don’t really give a kitten if people like my gear or not, I do care that I have to spend countless hours grinding or spend a small fortune to be on par now.

If they had advertised it as a gear progression game and had no progression at all I’m sure everyone who bought it as a progression game would be just fine with that right ?

That is the issue at hand.

For every action, there is a reaction. I don’t completely disagree with your post but Anet is just as much to blame. Some complaints are valid and fueled by very poor decisions, post and promises on Anets part.

Don’t make promises you can’t keep, don’t advertise a game as a certain design then pull a 180, don’t visit class forums promising fixes and buffs and then not deliver.

You will always have people who just want to complain for the sake of complaining, but that does not mean Anet should not be held accountable for their own actions.

Fobik.5908:

I have to disagree with alot of these posts simply because you people have never played other mmos other then gws1. let me tell you i played and still play wow for 8 years and since wows release in 2004 its hard for other mmos to get noticed or attract gamers i mean you either get one niche of players who like pvp,raids or regular pve. Also if you want true gear grind go play wow and come back and tell me whats worse gws2 or wow’s furthermore most mmos now a days have to compete with blizzard’s success and im happy to see anet try to do that with rng gear. i mean sure its not for everyones taste and if you dont like go back to playing gws1 or cyrptic studios new mmo coming out neverwinter. i hate when others disown a game just because there trying to compete in this world of gaming wow has molded with there whole concept of end game gear most mmo’s don’t live long because wow crushes them or people are disappointed with how it turned out. I love gws2 because its a different take on the genre and i love its a new take on the whole gear grind without competing with others of your class in a 25 man raid for a single piece of loot ive been there in wow when it was 40 man raids as a mage. I would also like to point out anet has plans to revamp and rebalance the dungeons to make them more fun and to drop more tokens in the future. so just hang in there remember good things come to those who are patient=) also if you dont like gws2 go play console games instead =)

Although your entitled to your opinion, don’t presume because many of us have mentioned GW1 being a great game that we have never played anything else. Some of us have been around since the days of UO, and have played many, many games. I will agree WoW was and still is a great game even if its not everyones cup of tea.

With that out of the way I don’t completely disagree with what you posted, however, one of the main selling points was no gear grind (it doesn’t matter how big or small the grind is) and now they are introducing a gear grind. (one could argue your console comment by saying if you like gear grinds of any sort go play WoW)

Perhaps the problem with MMO’s nowadays is the fact that they are trying to compete with WoW’s success instead of worrying about their own.

The mold your talking about was created long before WoW was a twinkle in the MMO eye. I won’t argue that they kitten near perfected it but I can assure you the mold was there long before. In the end your not all wrong and I’m not all right but everyone has an opinion and we are all entitled to it, but implying most of us have only played GW1 or should go to consoles is just ignorant at best.

I play less partially because of work, but mainly because of 80 levels. I realize it doesn’t take long if you just grind away however I do and always have HATED PvE its boring, mind numbing, and lets face it GW1 had how many abilities to unlock ? By lvl 30 you have everything you really need. I prefer WvW … not for the zerg/keep taking aspect but more for the roaming aspect. So yes I have gotten multiple toons to 50-60 via WvW but around 60 I lose interest because of the grind.

I think they had it right in GW1 with 20 levels 80 is to many regardless of how easy some feel it is to level. Sure I can jump into WvW and play at any level but to actually compete against most you need to be 80 with half decent gear.

Also class balance is such a complete joke in this game its not even funny, certain classes dps is far beyond others, crits are to high, no true support class. These are all personal prefrences and opinions but hard to ignore and very hard to believe that Anet doesn’t have favorite classes.

I really wish they had gone the route of GW1 with levels and skills, more skills to unlock at least gave me a reason to go out and PvE.

If its still the rending bug then as much as I hate not being able to see what is hitting me until I’m 3/4 dead I don’t blame the class. If the bug is fixed then yes they need a bit of tweeking. There is a very good reason no other game with a stealth class gives out multiple vanish skills that allow a stealth to remain stealthed for the duration of a fight. But again if its still the same bug then you can’t really blame the class.

1: Ranger now take periodic damage that increases the further away from a body of water the Ranger gets.
2: Rangers foot armor has been removed from the game, to make up for this flippers have been added.
3: Rangers Signet of the Hunt speed has been increased to 25% but only while swimming.
4: Long bow damage and speed has been increased while the Ranger is submerged in water, unfortunately this weapon cannot be used while submerged.
5: Backpacks have been replace by scuba tanks for the Ranger profession.
6: Ranger pets can now hit moving targets, unfortunately do to time constraints and lack of staffing we could only correct this issue for shark pets.
7: Sunken ships have been added to all zones so the Ranger class can feel as if it has a use.
8: Rangers have been given a new ability called “Surrender” this ability will allow Rangers to immediately lose to Warriors.
9: Rangers have been given a 2 minute air immunity buff upon entering any zone, this will allow the Ranger time to get to the nearest body of water before imploding.
10: Rangers will now only receive experience for objectives completed while submerged.

Its late I’m tired