Guild Wars 2

Not everything Anet do works for lower and higher tiers. For example the commander event is crap in the higher tiers, but as I understand it quite useful in lower tiers.

This change is great, especially in the higher tiers. I love it because sometimes random players run with us when we have the commander icon on and they insist on hitting the guards, doors etc, in fact they just insist in getting the old swords up and nothing we say stops them/or its to late.

I can understand in lower tiers how it might seem not to be so great, but to be honest it is not hard to counter.

Troma.3250:

Hello everyone.

Just here to give some informations, it’s about time

first, you have to know that Vizunah lost few good old commanders, for some reasons. But heh, new commanders came after, and they really want to do their best for the serv now.

We had also a big internal crisis like you saw with this link http://www.grandcross.fr/coup-de-gueule/. So i made a big TS meeting with almost 400 people to talk, to solve problems, to get back in fight with a strong morale. Just after, we got back to score and finished first.

@Sacrx : i saw your post before the delete/edit. You know, you can laugh at my RP posts and videos like you want, no problem. But,

Never forget this “spirit”, the community we made and the hand given to every player since day one (“pug”) instead okitten on their face made the difference between Vizunah and other servers.

Never forget we did everything we can to hold our position, to keep people strong even with the french bashing we had to read everytime

Never forget we stayed on our server instead of jumping and jumping everywhere

Never forget we respect you anyway

I know you see me like just a RP leader boy, that’s okay. It’s fine. But you don’t know my experience, the team i were, and what sort of PvP i did in the past. And i’m okay with it. I’m a lot, lot near to you than what you think.

Again, even if i don’t like the way you trash us, i respect what you did with RG, the reputation of this guild.

See you on the battlefield everyone. Make war, not trash

You guys deserve a huge amount of respect for what you have achieved. I have also noticed vizunah coming out of your keeps to fight far more in recent times, which makes things more fun.

I still have issues with some of the tactics employed by a number of Viz players, but rather than trash talking on the forums I will pm you in future.

Sadly missed the fight versus WL last night, apparently they taught us a few lessons which we need to learn from. I would like to thank them for the fight.

You guys well deserved your victory, maybe we can arrange another fight for next week.

Genev.2450:

Offski.4897:

Nice to see CIR joined Deso, we felt you were leaving us out.

We’ve been around for a bit, maybe it wasn’t noticable since the guild is technically inactive so i don’t have the tag in my sig anymore, and I’m the only one of the guild who has done some running with IRON?
Still carry the tag ingame though, npnp

Edit: Forum Tag – ACTIVATE!
<3

It’s a shame really, I remember how good CIR were when they were on Blacktide. Whats happenned? Planetside?

Nice to see CIR joined Deso, we felt you were leaving us out.

nooo u deleted the exotic comment.. made us all laugh that did. Yeh was best night in wvw for a long while, so thanks to you guys.

Awesome job tonight Aegis guys, looking forward to our next fight. Must admit I especially liked the moments wiping Viz together and having interspersed spectators.

Would say you guys have already improved alot over the last month, lets hope you dont get too much out of today..

Deepcuts.9740:

Offski, it looks like this Moorta is your friend, being in the same guild and is cool to defend him. Thumbs up.
But defend him against what?
I was not “attacking” him.
Just stating the obvious.
Was not referring to his knowledge of the map, but merely to his way of talking, as in swearing and repeating himself to death.
Do you think if this was the army and had a Commander who talks like that, soldiers would look up to him?
Maybe you never served your country for real.
If you cannot understand that, by all means, defend him again.

Deepcuts, from my point of view it was an attack, on someone the server has relied heavily upon, to provide some control of the random players.

Commanding can be very hard and demanding, let alone doing it with random people, yet he has done this successfully for months.

Let me quote you, you called him “undecided” and then went on to say “Joining a TS server is a very good way of doing things, but if some people think that 100 gold buys them something other than a blue sign above their name…” If that is not derogatory I dont know what is?

If you did not like his commanding style or his accent or his use of swear words, there was no need to come on here and start flaming, you could of just stopped using the teamspeak.

username.4932:

Offski.4897:

As for your last point, yes if only deso could gets its pve WvW community involved like viz does at night and in the mornings we could actually compete with them.

Corrected for you.

Haha just looking for an argument huh, person with no sig? Sadly our wvw community mostly works therefore it is impossible for them to play at those hours.

Deepcuts.9740:

I am more of a PvE player myself and moved to Desolation recently for WvW reasons.
To get things done, I have joined a Team Speak server provided by one of the guilds. Nice of them
Now, the part when people follow crazy, repetitive, swearing and undecided “Commanders” is beyond me.
While on Team Speak, there was a Commander, my God, 3 out of 2 word were "kitten " and 2 out of 3 were “I kill you”. All this in the worst english I ever heard.
Joining a TS server is a very good way of doing things, but if some people think that 100 gold buys them something other than a blue sign above their name…

One more thing I do not understand:
I read that Desolation, in my case, does not win because too many players play PvE instead of WvW. thus not supporting the WvW players.
Then why on earth the queue? If there is a queue that means all participant spots are taken right? Meaning even teams right?
Or I am mistaken?

Maybe you should not be so judgemental if you are new to wvw, you may not realise that the commander actually does know what he is doing. And maybe that commander has done an amazing job for months prior to you joining Desolation.

Personally I dislike it when new people to the server start kittening and moaning after doing pretty much nothing for this server.

As for your last point, yes if only deso could gets its pve community involved like viz does at night and in the mornings we could actually compete with them.

I would just like to say, although I have moaned alot about certain aspects of the game which have occured this week, this has in no way affected the outcome of the match.

The effort put in by Vizunah over the last few days has been extraordinary and they thoroughly deserve their victory.

Also the fighting has been the best I have had against viz, especially WL and SYN both guilds have been great, constantly fighting us in the open field and its been alot more fun/exciting than previous matches.

I think it will always be hard to defeat Viz over a week, but we will keep trying. Anyway congratulations to Viz, awesome comeback.

In my opinion in no way is this working as intended. You cannot be expected to kill enemies pooring into a keep non stop whilst also having to defeat/defend against the keep lord multiple times, due to him being instant rezzed with the rezzer putting himself in limited danger.

warboss.1362:

has it been stated somewhere by Anet that rezing keep lords with warriors banners is an exploit?
i would be glad to see a link please.
i have seen every single guilds/servers/people in the world doing that since day one …

serious question.

thank you

You do have a valid point, maybe I am stupid but we have not used it – as quite simply it is not working as intended and therefore I see it as an exploit.

Have Anet actually said anything publicly about exploiting the game with addons = no they dont. Or minimally about the orbs.

But you are wrong you are the first server I have seen do this and coordinate to do this. Kudos to you guys, you can’t stop our attack fairly so you use an exploit to do it. Pretty much typical of Vizunah.

I hate my frustration showing on these forums, but I try for a fair fight and so much of what is going on makes it impossible for me to do my job as a commander. I would respect you if you achieved that fairly but you don’t.

And as for Anet whenever do they listen or do anything about wvw?

Anadora.1893:

My thanks for the notification youngster, you’re welcome on our stream to see your wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et5GuBh5w1k

Sincerely

I cannot see this video, but whatever aint hard to edit a video, is the video over 10 mins as we were in the lords room for around 15 minutes.

Guild: The Iron Traingle
Ser:ver: Desolation

I cannot increase the guild size from 300 members. Even though we have 300 members it sais our membership is not large enough.

Have to say that apart from the arrow carts/placing of siege in spawn vizunah have been awesome this week. They have come out to fight all the time, which makes life in tier 1 alot more fun.

Also what they have done to get into a winning position this week is so impressive. They have a huge night team this week who seem to stay up throughout the early hours. That is dedication for you. Us on Deso have done really well but we just cannot compete with these numbers at night.

Yet another attack ruined by an arrow cart user. The red area of effects were actually covering the lower outside walls its ridiculous. Comeon Viz pls stop these guys. I commanded on Viz border alot yesterday, throughout the day and early evening. Every time we were hugged up against the north or south wall of Sunny the arrow carts in the courtyard were hitting us. Not once but every kitten time. I should not have to stop one form of attack due to this. Now you will say its only one person. But this daily occurance on every border we fight you is not one person

http://postimage.org/image/5vzv65gp7/

Well last night was painful to say the least. The sheer numbers of Viz all evening on the viz border was hard to contend with. Enjoyed the fights with WL/SYN guilds for most of the evening, love the way these guilds come out to fight.

Anyway that was one impressive night shift from Viz there, hope they cannot continue with those numbers.

Before I begin, I must admit that we have used this to our benefit as a guild on numerous occasions. Not sure if this has been covered before.

I feel there should be a timer upon entering a border or EB which stops you from joining another border for a period of time say 15-30 minutes. This timer would have to restrict you even if you relog or switch characters.

I feel that having the ability to switch borders instantly, benefits the server which has the greater number of players at that time. This is most noticable at night or in the mornings. Where the dominant server can keep eyes on all borders and concentrate on one whilst still being able to hop between the others to defend where necessary.

If a timer was introduced the dominant server would have to be more careful about allocating its resources, therefore giving the servers with fewer numbers the ability to actually defend.

Now the adverse argument to this is that an outmanned server could in fact hop borders to defend a tier 3 keep/tower etc. Therefore benefitting also.

Anyway just wanted to hear other peoples thoughts on this.

Pindah.1780:

Offski.4897:

sjatzkov braskav.3689:

you should be ashamed of yourself Viz players in that tower… to the people dancing on my corpse joke is one you

This is one of the most frustrating things in gw2 at this time. Being hit by an arrow carts in places said arrow carts should not be able to hit reduces our tactical options enormously.

I respect Viz alot but sadly they are the worst culprits for doing the above. Stopping attacks dead on numerous occasion in keeps and on towers.

And there is the same in Deso or ER, i’ve seen some players who can hit weapons siege, with arrow carts or other (yes, i’ve already seen a mesmer and elementalist hit catapult / arrow carts behind a door with their skill).

So why i don’t took a picture ? because it’s some random stupid players, not the server, so reported the player and stop blamed a server.
Thank you

I am certainly not accusing the whole server, but I notice my cata’s dying to unseen arrow carts far more against viz than any other server. When this happens on a daily basis when trying to assault places yes it gets frustrating.

sjatzkov braskav.3689:

you should be ashamed of yourself Viz players in that tower… to the people dancing on my corpse joke is one you

This is one of the most frustrating things in gw2 at this time. Being hit by an arrow carts in places said arrow carts should not be able to hit reduces our tactical options enormously.

I respect Viz alot but sadly they are the worst culprits for doing the above. Stopping attacks dead on numerous occasion in keeps and on towers.

spanky.4630:

salluks.6017:

Moorta definitely doesn’t get enough credits for his work,
he is by far the most important commander on desolation.

offski will have you strung up for that

Haha I would have to agree with Salluks on this one. Lets not forget he is ably supported by the regulars of EB, nice to see so many of these on teamspeak these days. Might have something to do with Moorta finally getting a mic though.

Great fighting MOS tonight on Deso border, always a pleasure and a challange fighting u guys. Cheers

Altie.4571:

Offski.4897:

So there is an issue with queue’s, well a massive issue.

Culling is also hot and cold – not being able to see a ram being used when commanding is just a bit frustrating.

Also comeon Anet let us know the new ratings system, just shows a complete lack of respect to all those who have paid for this game and put time and effort into it.

But the worst issue is the lack of any responce from Anet. At least let us know they are aware of these problems and trying to fix them.

Overall Anet’s communication with the wvw community is appalling. No doubt this thread will last all of 2 minutes before it is deleted. Wish they put as much effort into replying as they did in deleting posts etc.

Let me go ahead and reply to some of your questions here since you are making FALSE statements.

First off, they have made multiple replies to the culling issue and their projections/aspirations to it. You simply refuse to search before posting.

Just last week Habib (I believe) posted about queues, and that they will monitor them even more so to check peoples claims. Which by the way, are not always correct. Just because you think there’s X amount of people on a map doesn’t mean there really is. I don’t respond to wild man/team rants a lot of times when in wvw, do you account for all the people who aren’t jumping on your headcount?
One more thing, often times the attack force is wildly exageratted. It makes people feel better to say “oh heck we got wiped by a zerg” when it was a group of 12-15 people (I’ve witness it occur, it’s just human mentality).

The rating system IS transparent. They published the EXACT formula they use to compute it right here on this very forum. Again, search before posting.

Lastly, I do agree with you that they are out of touch with this rating reset, because the tiers have started to calm down now, but when did that mean that they are disrespecting you and other players? These people that work on games are proud of their work, they don’t go out to screw you, they go out to make a fanbase. You don’t do that by doing your worst, you get a fanbase by trying your best.

Does Anet have far to go in order to be considered perfect? Heck yeah. I’m sure they will be the first to tell you that. But it doesn’t mean they are out to “get you” and “screw you out of your money”.

I have to take exception to your post, personally I find it rude responding the way you do to anothers opinion.. They tested this very same culling issue a month or two ago no one was keen on it, as it is vital to see your own players/force. But they introduced it anyway as a placeholder. Where is the communication in that?

I read most posts as my guild members regularly link Anet’s rare information. So what if they said they are changing culling etc we are still finding it poor in the here and now.

My guild and I have been playing wvw since the beginning, we even have a queue channel, which is far worse now than it has been in recent months so pls do not accuse me of lying or making false statements. Some people enter after 5 minutes, whilst others wait hours.

Where have Anet posted the exact new formula for the new ratings system which they said they were introducing with the ratings reset?? We have no idea where we stand right now as a server, yes I find that disrespectful.

My concern is people getting fed up with queue’s, culling and the disinterest that Anet show wvw players and therefore leaving the game. i don’t want this game to lose its player base, but unless Anet wake up and respond to these genuine issues a large part of the game could potentially die out.

All Anet have to do is sticky posts addressing problems or issues we have, how rarely does this happen? Also speak to guild leaders of wvw guilds, not just listen to the pve/spvp player base.

If you still think my opinion is worth kitten and that I am wrong about Anet and their customer service by all means…..

Svarty.8019:

Offski.4897:

Also comeon Anet let us know the new ratings system, just shows a complete lack of respect to all those who have paid for this game and put time and effort into it.

Arenanet have NO obligation to explain their internal systems to you, and I encourage them to keep them a secret.

Can you listen to yourself? Where am i asking for info in their internal systems?

All I am asking is that if the whole wvw can see major problems or bugs then curtesy for a whole number of people that have brought this product and use it it to respond to the community’s concerns or at least recognise said concerns.

So there is an issue with queue’s, well a massive issue.

Culling is also hot and cold – not being able to see a ram being used when commanding is just a bit frustrating.

Also comeon Anet let us know the new ratings system, just shows a complete lack of respect to all those who have paid for this game and put time and effort into it.

But the worst issue is the lack of any responce from Anet. At least let us know they are aware of these problems and trying to fix them.

Overall Anet’s communication with the wvw community is appalling. No doubt this thread will last all of 2 minutes before it is deleted. Wish they put as much effort into replying as they did in deleting posts etc.

This is the same old story that people say about Viz. They do have a heck of alot of good players and guilds. Yes they do play defensively but this is an effective and winning tactic.

But one of the reasons they win is their night and morning force, which takes the majority of the maps and upgrades it all. It then takes hours for the other servers to reclaim the towers/keeps and get their points ticking.

Now personally I hate pvd, I want to fight, I want a challenge. To me this is more important than the result. But vizuna are very much against any server having or getting NA guilds, even though this would mean they would have some competition at night and in the morning.

I never seem to get a straight answer from Viz on whether or not they would prefer night time competition.

Please ignore the arrogance in the post above. U guys kept coming and kept fighting and that is all that matters. Have loads of respect for that.

Look forward to more great fights as the week continues.

loseros.5912:

Good job iron defending that kittening keep. You where tons of ppl. So were us, but we felt like:
Hey! Arrow cart to deny that zerg regroup.
Hey! They are charging against the arrow cart kill em!
Hey! They have been baited and we killed a lot, now charge em! No wait they’re still a lot in there! (insert culling here)
Once again: hold the line and regroup! Build another arrow cart!
Hahaha.

U did notice we decided not to build any seige/fix the place up? We were having an evening of trying to find fights which were not dictated by seige. You kinda messed that up putting those ballista’s and arrow carts up.

I would suggest the first group you killed were the randoms not on teamspeak with us.

Great fun fights tonight though so thanks for that.

Bonzibu.4970:

Wow – this is desolation? The server which has so “much skill” (and lost T1). I can see manpower, that’s it.
Of course will be a boring week, we have that manpower only during (German) primtime ;-)
Enjoy, next week VZ und SFR will show you skill…

i will take exception to you saying we lost in tier 1 when we came 2nd 2 weeks running but still dropped a tier. As for skill, really….? Yes we do outnumber u guys I wont deny that.

I have to commend Kodash for their awesome defence of hills today on their border. Showed us all how it should be done.

Also Kudos to both Kodash and BB for keeping up the fight, considering we do have superior presence its nice that you are making us work for every point. So thankyou for that.

ilmau.9781:

<KAZ Guild Leader>

The thing is we will have to focus SFR, who is weak at night (no backup they recieved seems to fill that hole, and its wide as hell ppl) In restrospective their negotiation attempts seem desperate.

<In reply to KAZ>

I think best for us (Point wise) is to be second and let VZ be a head alot that will make SFR lose most points I if i read the mechanic behind the scoring right

gg :P

So clearly a 2vs1 also this week.
Next week with ER nothing will change, we play again 2vs1.
And still a medium population server vs 2 very high population servers.
And still no night crew.

Can t i make it more obvius, the gap between how you play and how we play?!

As said hope we will never ever get a night crew.

no offense here this is just to show you the evidence..

ps, i play for fun and i had fun also if the matchup was really unfair. =)

If it makes you feel better carry on thinking it is 2vs1. Funnily enough on your own border servers are usually targeted, Deso border has been 2vs1 all week against Deso, but that is to be expected on your home border. Sadly IRON has had to leave this border as we cannot get the full guild into it anymore.

In some hours you outman us and visa versa, so I am confused about the excuse medium server has to do with anything, did you make this excuse last week when you were the number one server?

It is a real shame that guilds are jumping ship from a tier 1 server, especially as the Sfr community has worked so hard to get where you are.

I appreciate the frustation with the loss of points at night and waking to blue tier 3/full supply maps. But it is something that has to be dealt with, Vizunah knows where their strength lies, and uses this to maximum advantage.

The only way to compete at night is to get a strong NA guild into your server which is unlikely to happen. It would also upset the Viz immensely ofcourse

Anyway we on Deso have done good, two weeks at no2 but still falling a tier. But we’ll be back.

Going to bump this thread we desperately need guilds for the time period between 4am and 10 am GMT daily.

Thanks

I really don’t get all this squabbling. Who cares whether a server was builtup over time or has NA guilds, it’s all about the fight.

Sf are a great fight and have some of the best guilds in the game. They don’t give up, even though they wake up to tier 3 on practically everything since PRX has gone.

Viz show so many reasons why they are and will continue to be number 1. They have been helped this week by Arb players/guilds joining and Prx leaving. Being able to upgrade the majority of keeps and towers to tier 3 with no opposition makes all the difference.

If you look at the graphs, we see where Viz gets the majority of their points, plus it is then hard to take these keeps towers off them as they are fully upgraded and seiged up. Maybe this is why they are so against NA guilds, as this prevents this game plan?

Teo Lastword.7983:

Awesome fights at Desolation border this evening. Props to [IRON] Russian raid is over for today, so… we will meet tomorrow.
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Za Drots [ZDs]

Mate that was a very painful day, no excuses you guys totally owned us. Can you fight us in prime time pls and hopefully we can get some of our pride back.

Victory.2879:

As I predicted, the ending of free transfers has led to a huge influx of new players to SFR and new guilds, that are only interested in doing the JP and/or camping it, or who have no clue that a server TS exists and are completely unorganised, or think that running around solo in the hope they run into other solo ists like they did in whatever low tier they have come from.

Huge queues at prime time, then when you get in there no commanders to be seen as they can’t get in, no organisation on TS as 90% of the new players aren’t on it, and lots of people milling around aimlessly or heading for the JP’s. You see a small guild group forming of 5-10 players who stand in the spawn point for an hour or more and then head off to the JP….

Looks like the new players will do what VS could not in primetime, and drag SFR down to tier 2.

I’m short on time and patience atm, so logging into a game after 14 hours work to find I have to queue for 30 mins to an hour out of maybe two hours playtime to enter a map that seems to only have 20-30 of us on the main wvw map actually fighting isn’t worth it for me, and I’m playing something else atm.

Probably move servers too to somewhere less crowded before the cut off.

Tbh I feel your pain, we have people sitting in queue’s for ages this week also, so frustrating not being able to fight with your main force. I cannot remember seeing so many guildless or random friendlies filling up a border. There are only 2 options, start working with them and involve them in the community and/or recruit them.

Ohh well life at the top I suppose. Lets hope when these paid transfers are finally in that servers balance out and tiers become competitive again.

Teo Lastword.7983:

Looking for more fights versus WL (Vizunah) and IRON (Desolation) guilds. It’s a pleasure to fight you, guys… really. Big numbers and good skills. Hope we have the same.

PS. Looks like SFR going to tier2 instead of Desolation? Oh… nevermind. We will be back soon, i promise.
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Za Drots [ZDs]

Haha you guys definately have the same, I can remember a number of wipes we have experienced by you guys this week and last. Its a pleasure to have such good contests throughout the week.

Viz were great tonight on Deso border, especially Mort guild who just kept coming. That fight on the island in the the lake was brilliant, we were just totally unable to wipe you guys.

Thanks for the fun guys.

Yeh this flaming just gets on my …. after a while, especially people from my own guild, going to say it here as some IRON members don’t seem to want to listen when I say it at the team meeting, stop flaming and ignore trolls. Or join another guild and do it all u like.

Dawg.5376:

Dalure.4691:

Hi all,
I see you started to flame without me;) ….so now there is enough of that….i wanna say something positive about this matchup……VOTF always fun to fight against you(we both never back down)…..one question tho….why when my guild (FG) wiped you a few times you ask OSC to back you up?? you dont need that support you had atleast 25+guildies….and for OSC your guild is getting worse in battles or we are getting better;) either way always fun for some GvsG fights inbetween tower/keep capping. Most threat was from VOTF only guild that roam alot as for OSC just sticking with zergs(alot of pugs) when they see us….guess i take that as a compliment. To my fellow Deso guild KAZ i always enjoy to merge our 2 guilds to wipe the bigger zergs(blobs)60+around us…. kitten you are a well organized and dedicated team.
We took garrison with swift and skills haha:D awesome.
But to end this positive for VOTF you wiped us aswell i see your scouts looking for my guild…i also will see that as a compliment;)
Deso even against all odds you keeping bringing your A game…../bow

Classic Dalure and why people call desolation a “auto congratulation server”.

1) I wanna say positive things about this matchup
2) VoTF you are fun to fight (we are both awesome)
3) But we own you and you run for help??
4) With my fellow desolation players we wipe out zergs of 60+ players /flex
5) /bow to desolation

Umm he has a point felerina

Vroum.2906:

Yep it was fun spending the evening inside your walls with Iron and Votf, Rip to fight endlessly.

It’s sad that the game doesn’t support this type of massive fights, the skill lag was absurd.
I died a few times trying desperately to launch healing surge and/or endure pain without success for 10s.

We left the Deso border around 7 GMT last night, as we could only get about 15 players into that border due to queue’s which have appeared this week and last week. I wish Anet would introduce some method of either improving queue’s and/or giving us a timer. All those people afk in a border or using the heal skill to stay active are a real detriment to any server.

Hmm another night and another day trying to get tier 3 keeps/towers back from Viz. personally I miss Prx probably as much as SF do.

One thing I would like to clarify, although for the majority of the time Viz do play defensively, I have seen plenty of them coming out to fight this and last week. Obviously being able to build everything to tier 3 overnight makes it easier for them to be aggressive.

The one thing I hope Anet do soon is ban players who use the line of sight tool, so frustrating having arrow carts which are impossible to attack behind walls but which can attack us anywhere with impunity.

Vizunah are stronger this week, there is no doubt the influx from Arborstone has helped, having said that they have proven themselves capable of coming back strongly numerous times in the past after poor weeks.

The pvd argument always makes me confused, you would of thought the server with the best/strongest night team, Vizunah, would want to have a fight at night rather than easy points. Their strong arguments against NA guilds contradicts this.

Sfr for some reason do not seem as strong at all times this week, not sure why, but I am sure they will bounce back, due to their impressive wvw community.

If Deso manage to pip SF for second this week, I will be disgusted if we go down a tier as this would make a complete mockery of Anet’s wvw ranking system.

Amasius, thanks for the comment mate.

Tynan.6279:

Hahahah… Make up your minds, before all I read was people whinning about free transfers and now the opposite. This community will never be happy.

I was never against free transfers and/or paid transfers, either way it did not bother me. The issue I have is giving people notice, when Anet must of known what would happen. Arborstone was a fantastic wvw server which has now had its wvw community pretty much destroyed.

At the end of the day it is a 3 way fight, ofcourse a weaker server will be focused it is just natural and I would do no different. So fair game to Viz and Sfr. The problem has been this prewarning of paid transfers by Anet so wvw guilds and others have all joined particular servers.

As a full server (of mostly pve’rs) the work Deso has put in to become competitive again in tier 1 has now been offset mainly by guilds transfering to Viz and Elona and to a lesser extent SFR over the past day or two.

Well it looks as though what the majority were calling for has totally destroyed a number of servers. Elona who are in tier 2 at the moment are now a super German server and are 7 points off being the number 1 server overall as there is no one left in Arborstone or Kodash to fight them in tier 2.

Our server has had a few guilds join, which we worked hard for prior to Anet’s announcement. But with numerous guilds joining Viz and Elona and leaving other servers it is going to be a struggle to compete.

Any sort of balance between servers that was established over time has dissappeared. This is a shame as the tier match ups until this week were becoming far more competitive.

This was always going to happen with the forewarning of the introduction of paid transfers, which if it was going to happen, should of been introduced early on in the game or at the very least should of been brought in with no prewarning.

Umm hardly the other servers fault if you are outnumbered is it, so why should their player base suffer? Hopefully really low pop servers will be merged after paid transfers come in. Which would alleviate some of these problems.

I still think a meaningful outmanned buff would also help a bit.

Let’s try and keep it nice people. Good luck all.

Enjoyable start on Deso border (except for a few wipes by VOTF). Cheers for the fights guys.

Sadly missed the action tonight sounds like there was some awesome fights.

What a great match up guys, looks like viz will pip us to second spot. But at the end of the day its been a great performance from Deso for the first week back in tier 1.

Overall its been a week of non stop fights and every minute of it has been kitten enjoyable, with only a minimum of pvd.

My thanks to both Viz and Sfr for reminding me what wvw should be like.

Angelyne.2936:

No man, you might be from Iron or whatever guild, i don’t trust you at all. Yesterday we were on Etheron (Owned by SFR), Iron team came from the other side of the map, crossing 2 tower, 1 camp and the bandwagon of Seafarer’s Rest just to come and wipe us, afterwhat they jumped the wall on gone … Ok it’s the game, you play for points. But we are still here, still in T1 and whatever Sacrx can say (most of the time i didn’t even read his post, but for once …) Vizunah will fight still and ever.

Just for your info we then sat in hills for about an hour, trying to get the inner down, did you not notice we did not attack you for that whole period?

Troma.3250:

:) yes man, like i said, tri-faction is made for it. Nothing wrong. Only things that’s sux :

haters, big trolls, hacks, exploits ! the other thing are legit and fine. We shouldn’t see any whine about classic RvR features. Or heh, get back to wow RBG or Arenas ! brrr, no thank’s for me

Just like to highlight this post for its honesty and sportsmanship. The viz alliance has been an example for all other servers to follow and learn from. Yes the game like any other is evolving, but Viz are still doing exceedingly well and have done against all comers.

I just hope one day Deso will be able to match you, we need to somehow entice our pve community into wvw in the mornings and during the day, as we simply lose too many points during these periods.

Haha got to love the flame wars and trolling.

Anyway, kudos to SF been a pleasure fighting you guys, not so much of a pleasure fighting VoTF, as we got our kitten handed to us.

Also been fun fighting Viz, I am sure you guys willl get stronger as the week goes on.

To be frank this is the best fighting I have experienced for many a week, long may it continue.

Deso has improved so much recently with a few welcome additions to the server, we still don’t have strong enough cover in the mornings, but alot of our members are bringing their children up on GW2 and romance is blossoming amongst other guild meembers, so the future is bright.

He did this, he did that, that guy exploited…..

Can we just talk about the fights and leave out the rubbish about 1 or 2 people exploiting etc, they rarely represent anyone in their server and often the accusers are mistaken.

Overall the match up has been fun, except for the sheer numbers causing as bad culling as I have seen. Lets hope Feb patch sorts this out.