Guild Wars 2

Leorcyn.1063:

Come on guys from SFR and Deso : one guy said “mexicans” and you’re all screaming like little girls !
Last week, SFR let its forum warriors whine about “ER being the lapdog of the French” and now one guy from VS is complaining and it’s the end of the world.
Chill.

VS will not surrender. We fight for our home. We don’t need any excuses, if we have to lose against you guys this week, fine, we will fight back next week. But the week just started, so don’t bury us right now

Last night wasn’t that fun for us on Deso BL, because of the double focus, but we had some nice fights : I have to say Deso will need to up their game by a laaaaarge margin to be as effective as SFR is. There is a world between fighting a group of KAZ and fighting a group of Votf or PRX, and the overall tactics of Deso are really poor atm.
But I do hope this week allows all of us to progress once more !

And I wish this week could be one without any form of abuse/cheat : lets fight with honour for our homeworlds.

Have fun on the battlefield and stay classy please !

A reasonably fair assessment in that yes we need to improve alot on Deso, but we have only just come back to tier 1 and need time to adjust. Sfr guilds have definately improved alot since we last fought.

The other things we need to improve upon are our coordination between guilds and communiction, again hopefully this willl come if we can stay in this tier for a few weeks.

Good luck SF and all on Deso. Lets hope its a fun match up. Viz don’t need luck as they are numero uno server.

Raoh.4502:

Offski.4897:

Fair game to Arbor completely smashed us this evening. The coordination on Deso border between your guilds was top notch, only excuse I have is we had not upgraded anything today as saving the gold. Would not of made a huge difference though.

Well, to be honest every evening i played this week was like this, we only met the huge zerg of iron, its quite easy to take over two 3rd of the map when you know how to bait the opponent that sticks in one blob.
but when i read the forum i understand there are even more iron on other maps, how many are you now , did you recruit every single last soul on deso or something ?

Yet nothing much different from past encounters with you guys, very strong defenders, but stategicaly easy to fool… props on your win though

Love how you get insulted after providing a compliment.

You do realise your amazing tactics were versus wooden doors/walls and no seige? It takes 30 seconds to get a wooden door down, ofcourse we cannot be everywhere at once. (yeh i know garri weas reinforced)

Fair game to Arbor completely smashed us this evening. The coordination on Deso border between your guilds was top notch, only excuse I have is we had not upgraded anything today as saving the gold. Would not of made a huge difference though.

Well i died in the lords room at suny with our gate on 50%, you know what Xaoc, SP and Xt guilds should be ashamed of themselves.

Most of our guild have left wvw for now, as it is pointless fighting against cheats.

You love a moan don’t you Jomg, were you moaning in the last matches when you guys outnumbered us the majority of the time? I don’t think so.

Self congrats is ridiculous, but no one seems to give credit to guilds on these forums anymore, so maybe only way to get some.

As for pvd, its so bloody boring, last night when Arb lost their numbers it was depressing having no one to actually fight. Night time used to be quite fun, with pretty much even numbers trying to out cap each other.

Sadly Bt seems to be slowly dying, as for Arbor not sure what has happenned to you guys as you used to have decent daytime, night time numbers. Maybe the game is slowly dying?

The majority of players prefer a challenge to an easy point gain, but other than 3 hours in prime time wvw has become a chore to play rather than fun.

Orbs need to return with a different buff, the pve event needs to go and new maps need to be introduced to spice things up a little bit.

If I remember rightly 3 weeks ago we were smashed by Arborstone. So this week does not mean alot, things will get interesting from Friday. I cannot wait.

Although alot of fun this match up does not mean alot, as so many people/guilds are taking holidays.

You can tell that both arborstone and Bt are tier 1 servers, the fight put up even when often outmanned and outgunned is awesome. I just hope Deso keeps up the good work, it’s great having Kaz here, to supplement the already quality guilds we have on deso.

I don’t care what happenned in the past its done and dusted. All I can say is it is a pleasure fighting both these servers and managing a half decent thread for a change.

Sacrx.6721:

We have not played. only 15 or so for few hours on reset running into 50/60 guys all over. RG wont be back till 2nd-4th. I would not bother with BT its dead now in terms of points gain.

Look forward to killing you in new years.

Happy New Year.

Haha I do and at the same time don’t look forward to your return in numbers.

Why do all threads have to turn into flame wars? Ofcourse we are going to be annoyed that an opposing server is trying to recruit our players. Toglos said his guild were considering joining deso and he had come to have a look. He ran with us and was invited to our teamspeak.

Having said that it is one guild amongst many awesome BT guilds.

Fight has been great so far, we are indeed stronger having Kaz with us. Let’s hope it continues to be a close match up. Think it will be alot tougher when the likes of Xoax and Mos come back from their breaks.

Wothan.4673:

Like i already said : Once against there is no move btw AS and VS..
Our 2 serv are.. well, not in a truly friendship relation.. ( after the epic fail of our alliance, all the treachery stuff and daoc rivalry… )

AS is now in “idle” mode if you want, this situation don’t change until the 4/5 January.
Most of our guild like LNM, MoS, Opt, Fureur etc… are at rest etc.

So i hope next week Elona make a good stuff in D1

For all the “recruiting drama”.. well.. all serv make it, some don’t post this in public.., but AS recruiting some guild on Augury Rock, VS some on Fort Ranik, etc it’s the same for all serv, so i don’t understand the drama with Deso :/

For the NA guild… well it’s a EU ladder, not NA ladder, it’s all

Sorry think i had just decided to join the flaming bandwagon last couple of posts. Could not help myself.

Thankyou for a decent post on these forums.

Can defo see the lack of numbers arb are putting out, we have fewer numbers, but not that many less, so a bit worrying from our viewpoint.

All the best.

Nidome.1365:

There we were, a group of us from different servers just hanging around, chilling out and dancing in the Jump Puzzle enjoying a mutual “silent” truce, when a group from Arborstone saw us having fun and decided they didn’t like that, I invited them to join in using emotes and they still didn’t like it and decided to attack – now seriously you could see we weren’t there to stop you doing the JP or to fight you so why do it? If you don’t want to join in, there is no reason to spoil it for everyone else.

Haha, for once I find myself liking Arborstone.

And everyone knows Arb/Viz players jump between the two servers on a regular basis. Obviously the christmas miracle of numbers Elona have brought to the table this week, is just that, a miracle. Oh and god forbid if they got competition for their late night pvd antics, be interesting to see who’s night team, Viz or Elona’s comes out top next week.

Funny how the two servers who benefit most from nightcapping are the most vociferous against NA guilds.

Sadly as an English speaking server and with less first language English speakers than the French and Germans in Europe we have had to broaden our horizons on recruitment. Today I have directed our recruitment guru’s to look further abroad and directly approach guilds from English speaking countries such as Australia, US, Canada, India and whereever else we can find English speakers.

In fact we are offering cash rewards to these guilds to join our understrength server, as we have been taken over by a Russian Oligarch and he is determined to get us back to tier 1 and knock Elona down a peg. Because in his words..

“These Elona are worse than Viz for perfetic moaning about anything and everything. Amazing as I never thought I’d see the day where Germans moaned more than the French”

I would like to chat further but we got some recruitment to do.

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I agree and just want to add one point. I remember a discussion with a desolation player after RUIN joined desolation and you reached t1. He was proud and wrote about the effort and hard work desolation did to get there. I asked him, what exactly he meant with this. What was the effort. He answered, that “Desolation welcomed RUIN”. That was it, that was the “hard work”, he talked about.

The other servers, who won t1 (except SR, who also got american help), really had to work hard to reach this. Organizing a night- and morningcrew. (Xaoc, who didn’t play during their primetime- it was morning/evening for most of their russian players or the nightcrews from arborstone, vizunah and elona).
You also have the possibility to do this with your european players, but again, even after RUIN, you take the easy way and try to recruit overseas guilds again, knowing that a big american guild would destroy the european balance again. I haven’t seen a server with so many recruting threads here and on gw2guru like desolation. That’s why many people from french and german servers are kitten Because you are abusing the mistakes made by arenanet- free server transfers, no region lock, de/fr/es tagged servers, seperated eu and us servers.
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Still moaning about Deso and ruin? What were we supposed to do? Be angry they came? God Elona you are as bad as Viz for your moaning. The rest of us also put in alot of effort when they were with us, should we not be proud of our effort? You guys are winning this week and all you can do is flame on this thread.

Xoac I have faced many times, they always morning capped. So it’s ok if Viz, Arb or anyone else for that matter has a huge night crew as long as they are not from north america? What a load of rubbish. And for your info SF would of got to tier 1 with or without prx. They recruited well, got organised and deserved to go up.

ruin left ages ago, they took half our wvw players with them (who they had recruited). They also told everyone Iron was dispanding so a number of guilds also followed them to Blacktide. We have no north American guilds. Shall I say it again? Yes we HAVE NO NA guilds.

So stop the kitten moaning. If we get another north American guild you are welcome to start moaning again. Ofcourse there are alot of German servers, a number of countries in Europe speak german and/or have minorities who do. I can guarantee that there are far more people in Europe who’s first language is German compared to English. Should we start moaning about that?

Kain Yang.9352:

How enthusiastic people can get about WvW! Shows only how much they like it I guess…

Now a brief introduction of myself: I play on Elona and I think it is easy to misunderstand why players from Elona react like they do (or I like to believe you guys misunderstand them and not that I misunderstand them). I think that I am allowed to say that Elona at German primetime is a nasty enemy, capable of delivering some good fights. And that is how it should be! Going into a fight knowing that it will be a hard piece of work, not just steamrolling over the enemies all the time. Victory is sweeter that way and defeat not so bitter.
retty much helpless against it.

Greetings and merry Christmas!

Nice post mate.

I’ll get back on track of the idea of the thread. You guys have been superb in tactics and numbers this week, in fact I think you would give any tier 1 server a good fight this week.

There have been alot of fun fights, especially Hills on your border last night. Awesome defence, I don’t think I have ever seen so much seige in one keep before, thankfully for once we outnumbered you, otherwise we would never of taken it.

Hope we all enjoy the rest of the match up.

Offski.4897:

When have we ever tried to recruit an overseas guild? We did not invite ruin to join us. They just came. Since they left (months ago) we have had no American night team on our server, or do you know something i don’t?

This thread is just 23 hours old:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Desolation-Recruitment-A-Tier-2-Server/first#post1077204
and it reads like Deso wants to recruit some different timezone players.

And yes, someone from Elona postet the idea of a “German-united”-Server into the German-speaking forum, but if you (can) read the replies, you see that this only increased the flame-wars between German-servers. I would say this post made player transfers to Elona less likely, and not more likely.

Offski.4897:

As for Deso yes as always we are looking for more wvw guilds. I know you guys enjoy walking all over us when we have the outmanned buff alot of the time, and prefer we stayed this way. But sadly it is not much fun for us being unable to get a queue going in any border including EB at any time.

If you recruit to make fighting-time more balanced. Fine.
If you recruit oversea to win with PvD, I don’t like it.
(Last week I said in the german forum: “I hope Deso stays in T2 and not Baruch, as I prefer fighting the enemies in daylight and not like to be burned down while sleeping.” )

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I think we have been premature saying Kaz are joining Deso, not sure if this is 100% the case. But obviously as a wvw guild like ourselves they would be welcome. Anyway last time I checked Spain was part of the EU and they have the same timezone as yourselves. I have no idea how many south American players they have.

As for Pvd you telling me you have not done this the last 3 nights? If you want to compete against the likes of Viz/SF/Bt, or indeed in the top tiers you need coverage at pretty much all times. There are US/East Russian guilds on these servers and Viz has always had a large nightforce (however much they deny this).

At the end of the day we are still trying to get Deso back to what it was or close to it, it is a tough task as I am sure you have seen with our numbers this week.

Not really surprised by how this thread has turned, same as usual.

I asked a simple question of Elona of how/why you had such superior numbers from 3 weeks ago. Apparently its due to resolving internal issues and no one has transfered to you, ok i’ll accept that.

When have we ever tried to recruit an overseas guild? We did not invite ruin to join us. They just came. Since they left (months ago) we have had no American night team on our server, or do you know something i don’t?

As for Deso yes as always we are looking for more wvw guilds. I know you guys enjoy walking all over us when we have the outmanned buff alot of the time, and prefer we stayed this way. But sadly it is not much fun for us being unable to get a queue going in any border including EB at any time.

Deso has one guild which can field more than 15 people on a daily basis in wvw. How’s that compare to you poor guys who can only recruit players from your own country? Oh wait Austrian’s speak German, hmm what about Swiss, Belgium’s, Luxembourg? Or are they just part of greater Germany?

To the last two posters. Comeon guys, I am sure there have been multiple times where every server in the match up has steamrolled with huge numbers.

Numbers do count, but are not always the be all end all. So far this week (and last in Arborstone’s case) I have been really impressed with the playstyle of some of the opposing guilds in the match up.

I like it as it makes me rethink our strategy. It will be a strange week with xmas. But that is taking nothing away from Elona who have a deserved lead so far.

Yeh it’s fine……….Capped briar the other day, ran down from the lords room and the champion is already outside the door. So rather than defend the tower, a tier 2 server which was leading, just started the breakout event. The whole idea/concept is perfetic in a wvw environment.

At this time it is bugged and can be started even if you have the tower (quick upgrades).

The event reduces tactical skill in the game, it simply should not be in the game.

Comeon Elona, how many new guilds do you have? Your numbers and admittedly skill have both improved alot since the last time we met what 3 weeks ago?

Pendragon.8735:

They both play Ele’s mainly, big surprise. WvW gonna be just Thieves, Ele’s, and Mesmer’s soon.

If Anet actually listen to people like you then no wonder they make alot of mistakes in the developemtn of wvw.

Have you even played wvw?

Godomir.7159:

I only want to clarify a few things.

First of all, this week is being very hard for us (BB) because I think Deso and Arbor are still above us in terms of organization, attack, defence,…we are in the correct way, but still we must walk a lot.
Also the skills of some single players of Deso and Arbor is impressive, very nice solo fights (most of time I lose, but learned a lot).
Probably one of the harder weeks we have.
But I read this thread and there are several posts that aren´t true.
1-Yes, our night force is important. But I can say the same about Deso or Arbor day force. Is just the opposite situation. Mornings specially. I can understand how you feel when overmanned that way. Is not fun. You are right. But we also haven´t fun at the morning. I say this because it seems there is no problem in zerg someone at the day but there are at night. Is the same in 2 different moments. Thats why matches are 24h during 7 days.
I´m with you, I don´t like zergs. But while Anet doesn´t change anything, this gameplay will be only zerging, turtle turtle turtle!!, and mesmer portals in your nose… :S nothing more, no skill, nothing. Who have the bigger numbers is the only important. Is sad, you all have right.

Anyway, as I said, Deso and Arbor are for me two of the best servers we fighted. Very hard and strong opponents. We are trying to do our best but is not easy. I also noticed a good night presence in their BL, greater than ours in fact in these zones. Continue this way guys and I think T1 would be your natural place.

Good luck and nice fights!

Mate nothing wrong with using a night force to win and stay in tier 2 especially when fighting opposition with experience of the higher tiers. We at Deso cannot moan as we benefitted from night capping in the past.

We have benefitted this match up of not having to face SF who have limitless numbers duurign the day and then you guys had the same at night. So this match up we are able to get more points in the day.

Anyway been a pleasure fighting you guys and I must say you are already an improved opposition in terms of fighting ability than last time we met.

As for Arbor and everyone’s moaning about who’s zerg’s the largest well…….

Agreed the new event is flawed it messes up competitive matches and does not help outmanned servers.

There is one simple solution, give outmanned players a buff similar to the orbs or slightly stronger. This will immediately lead to far closer contests.

Everyone suggested this when discussing the issues with the orbs but Anet does not listen or maybe did not even ask our thoughts in the first place.

Ogre.1750:

Nah, your night shift is making a pretty serious effort this week, I think you might get this. You are a stubborn lot, and fight smart Deso, specially IRON. Gr8 fights today. Kudos dudes!!!

Thanks mate

But kitten why do you have to bring your army on as our people start to go to sleep.

If you go to 2m10secs on this video this is what it looks like from our side of the wall from about 10pm onwards.

must admit a guildy first described it like the above in the last match up.

New tactic, just don’t attack the last tower, shame this is completely kitten at the top tiers or even the middle tiers. Oh wait at any competitive tier it is a pile of kitten.

If your server is not competitive in wvw i’m sorry i really feel for you, but did wvw really need a new pve event to provide absolutely no solution to your tiers performance? Do you enjoy your tower,? Does it make you comfortable? Do you feel safe chilling out in there? Does those extra few points won by a pve champion make you feel proud?

Anyway its been a good match up so far, reasonably close, sadly ruined by the npc.

Shame everyone seems to like moaning at each other on this thread. Arb deserve the lead and BB do alot of great stuff also. The night time numbers of BB are ridiculous, but a real challenge to face. So enjoyable none the less.

Cheers all.

Got to laugh. We take briar, run down from keep lords room and low and behold the breakout event npc is outside our gates.

Breakout events should not be necessary in wvw as most servers should be in a tier which represents their strengths or weaknesses.

The main issue with this mechanic is that you have to keep forces ona map. We had the lowest points accumulation throughout today yet we could not risk leaving our border to try and take points in other boders.

In fact all 3 servers had their own borders wrapped up and the only other major presence was in EB.

Can anyone say this was the aim? and/or what was needed to help outmanned players?

So a vocal minority strike again and want to keep a non pvp or server vs server event in wvw. It’s so frustrating not only can 2 events trigger at once, if you manage to destroy one the npc immediately pops up again. The champion can one shot you, which you cannot even avoid as he puts a bubble around you, I mean wtf?

The event completely frustrates any sort of strategy you may attempt.

I have been on the end of servers controlling whole maps with upgraded towers and keeps, Seafarers and Bt. Its a real challenge to get your foothold back, you have to organise resources, work as a team etc etc. Now you just trigger a pve event which basically gifts you the tower, its so perfetic.

At this rate wvw will be left with the pvx guilds that come in to do their twice weekly events. I have no issue with outmanned servers getting proper buffs like the 3 orbs or something similar, but a pve event? I thought/hoped ANet were kidding, then I remembered it was not April.

Ireniicus.2167:

Iove.3902:

!THIS EVENT IS USELESS AND COMPLETELY POINTLESS!

If a World does this event that’ll cause the other world to do the event then the other world to do the same. Essentially all that happens is that you basically traded towers and the scores remain the same.

Uhh… what? How’s that helping anything?

I’m glad that ANet is working on developing content for WvWvW, but there’s no point to this addition to the game.

You are welcome to your point of view however I had about 7 hours of WvW since reset and enjoyed the change immensely. It is not perfect but definitely created more dynamics and people moved maps more often and the dozen or so with me agreed.

If I want to do pve then i’ll go do it in the pve part of the game. Give outmanned teams a proper buff, but keep it pvp.

The pvp competitiveness of wvw has just gone out of the window. They keep free transfers for a reason so people who like wvw can join wvw dedicated servers. This change makes it pointless taking the last tower in a border – its so pointless and has nothing to do with skill, organisation and communiocation.

Anet pls pls start communicating with the dedicated wvw guilds prior to making fundamental changes to wvw. We sweat in wvw 24/7 and you make changes to the game without any dialogue with my or other wvw guilds.

You guys chat to spvp guilds, you listen to the moaning pve’rs all the time. So how about opening some communication channels with guilds dedicated to 1 of the 3 main elements of GW2?

If you carry on this way I really fear that many in the wvw community will get disallusioned.

Tiun.9285:

Hi all,
as a part and a Commander of EoW im sorry what happened.
It was not our intention to use this bug and we still dont know how this bug works.
It was an accident that some guys glitched in somehow (not only Mesmer).
We are also sorry for taking the tower after that. I was leading the raid and after a random mesmer made his portal i failed in stoping them from getting through this mesmer portal into the tower, because i didnt know what happened. So this portal was not a portal of a EoW Member.
I talked to our Member. This wont happen again.
We apologize for that accident.

We hope Anet will fix it soon

Greetz
[EoW] Derril

Apology much appreciated mate. All respect to you. Pls don’t kick anyone as this happens and naturally people use the portal in the heat of the moment, not their fault.

I got into a keep once via a mesmer portal having no idea he had hacked in (we had only lost it 10 mins before). Only when he tried to do the same a bit later in a fortified tower did I realise he was a bs hacker.

^^ don’t believe him, when he sees red in wvw he’ll attack anyone, he often makes his guildies follow him off cliffs in a mass suicide attempt.

Iruwen.3164:

Offski.4897:

Not at all keen on this breakout event. Just more pve in wvw, I don’t get it.

You didn’t get it from the beginning, WvW is not PvP, period. Want competitive PvP, go play competitive PvP. WvW is a massive, not totally balanced battle including both PvP and PvE elements.

Are you for real? Do not tell me that wvw is not competitive pvp, that is just daft. I don’t remember any pve elements affecting the outcome of a fight in wvw except in a very few cases the 4 min buff on supervisors/lords.

The pve elements of wvw are just an irritant for us wvw players. Jumping puzzles….. no reason for eb puzzle top be in EB and the border puzzle’s can go as well imao. As for quagans……….

90% of wvw players do not want pve in wvw. Pve’rs just enjoy the buffs we help provide them in the rest of the game. I am from a so called full server, yet we rarely have any sort of queue for wvw, pve’rs do not play wvw(or rarely) so why give them pve events there?

iAwesome.1350:

Argadem.6135:

Btw : Bots are giving us a great fight at Deso BL atm,they really want that tower back

Jup, we tryed and failed.
Now we stoped our guildraid, cause of the damn culling.
It’s hard to fight against invisable desos, with ghostlike mates..
But looking forward for a better cullingsystem..
See you on the battlegrounds.

Haha I know what u mean they are even ghosts to me, I keep thinking we have wiped as I cannot even see my own teammates.

dank.3680:

Hackuuna.4085:

This would explain how someone was able to use their arrow cart from inside the South East tower in the middle of the tunnel. We had built catapults in an area that was known to be unreachable by siege and somehow a defender was able to target their arrow cart dead center on all that siege and players inside the tunnel. We couldn’t move anywhere in that tunnel without being hit.

There is also a hack out there that auto targets the largest grouping of enemies and isn’t affected whatsoever by line of sight, and is reported to even have a longer range. I’ve mailed the link to Anet, I won’t be stupid enough to post the link here though like the guy earlier in this topic.

Thks for pointing that out Dank, was a bit daft, but I genuinely thought the majority knew about this tool as it is obvious alot guilds use it. I was also a bit astonished that Anet did not know about it as it has been around for months.

Kodash are doing great catching us at the moment and as for Miller’s I am so impressed because you guys keep trying even though it is tough for you guys with numbers etc.

had alot of great fights this week and really enjoying the match up.

To clarify I am talking about the downloadable addon that people are using to zoom out a large distance from their character and hit any palce at any angle with arrow carts.

What is going on with this? Is Anet going to ban it?

I am sick and tired of being unable to attack arrow carts sitting in tower/keep courtyards but people using this tool can hit anywhere with that arrow cart.

Not at all keen on this breakout event. Just more pve in wvw, I don’t get it.

If a server needs to get a foothold in a border they need to get organsied and take forces to that border. Give the old 3 orb buff to outmanned servers, this breakout idea is just pve trash and will completely change the mechanics of the game, but not in a good way.

How often will this event start? How long will this npc last for? So it will be pointless attacking towers/keeps near spawn or defending them? Anet need to learn that major changes like this need to be discussed with the wvw community and examined in a beta environment.

Can only see this as being a complete balls up on Anet’s part. There are far more important things to resolve than this pve solution to a pvp part of the game.

I would not worry what one troll says about Iron.

As for the question regarding Baruch Bay I will answer that part of his post, We had Seafarers in prime time who have huge numbers and are really strong. Then we had BB’s night team, the largest I have seen. So at all times we were facing servers with larger numbers/turnout than ourselves.

Bunzy.8674:

ashleydoll.8563:

Dude, I have my reasons to dislike Thieves in their current incarnation, as do a lot of people, but Heartseeker is not part of the problem.

My thread is about heartseeker not about any other thief related problem you might have. please keep on topic.

Someone actually writes a thoughtful and decent post on your crap thread and you say the above……..

‘Desolation for life… because if we moved now, our Deso4Lyfe tattoos would look pretty stupid’

Haha what a quality line.

Awesome vid too

haha the flamers are out in force i see. Well nvm even though its been tough I’ve had fun this week. We can all make excuses, but at the end of the day Deso has just not turned up this week.

Having said that our guild has put out as much people as we can every day every evening and every night. As have Jug, Exg, Tsl and Fluf. Other guilds have also made a good effort namely FG, Gt, Gp, GOD, Unit sorry for any i missed any.

I don’t accept comments that we are crumbling, we are actaully doing just the best we can. Admittedly that is not good enough for tier 2. But to say we are a tier 5/6 server well whatever.

Hmm why all the trolling against BB? The game is 24/7 we at Deso have benefited from it in the past, we were not complaining then. So we have no right to kitten about the efforts BB put in at night.

They are doing what they need to win, so fair game to them.

Lets hope Deso can have a better turn out next week, we need to start getting back to winning ways. I am sad that it looks like we’ll be heading down a tier but until we improve our presence in wvw we have no right to win or stay in this tier.

Anyway thanks for the epic 40 minute 3 way battle for garrison tonight on the BB border was alot of fun. Will be wishing you guys all the best for next weeks match up soon.

Wish you luck guys, it’s ridiculous how many top guilds and players you have lost. Really impressive that you guys are staying and trying to rebuild.

Sfr do have great numbers, but I think people often don’t look further than that and see that you do actually have a good skill base of players and commanders. I have definately noticed it.

As for tier 1 you guys will do fine if you get there (arb & viz maybe swapping positions weekly to retain tier 1 again). And you’ll continue to get better as you’ll learn from the top guilds on Blacktide.

Had fun fighting OSC tonight, I would say you guys are on a par with most of the other top guilds I have come across.

Overall times are frustrating on Deso atm. We rarely have queue’s, often outmanned and the maps don’t look too pretty. Kudos to the guys on EB for keeping our corner most of the time.

Sfr people talk about our night team, you do realise deso has a group of maybe 10-20 players in total who play at night?

As for ruin making us stronger, u do know all guilds that joined with them have left and they recruited alot of our top EB players and then disappeared with them?

As for BB, I have actually learnt a couple of things off you guys already, so thank you.

In that case i apologise mate. god knows why they put it in here.

Great fun tonight especially in SM.

Please don’t fill this thread with rubbish about hackers/exploits etc. Keep on topic about the match up. There are hackers in the game get used to it and report it to Anet, no need to ruin a decent thread.

Ahh Elona I feel for you guys, we have been and are still experiencing the seeming exodus from wvw.

Sfr kitten what happenned on your border, you gave us 2/3 good beatings tonight. Shame we keep having to jump borders to try and build our points up rather than staying for the fight on one border. Also wish u guys would get into tier 1, u deserve it.

Good luck all.