Guild Wars 2

haha you have a good point re garrison. But half the time we were reacting to elona or yourselves taking our supply camps etc. Bit lazy from me tonight in all honesty.

But always fun fighting you guys, wish you would stop destroying our seige in Dawn’s though costing us a fortune D

Scryar.2954:

Offski.4897:

ethier.3417:

Offski.4897:

Shame Seafarers dont seem to come on this thread much. You guys seem to prefer the self congratulation and flaming on your community page.

I think in general you guys are great but before you flame deso remember we have no queue’s other than on one border for maybe two hours in the evening due to so many of our players joining ruin and then leaving with them.

You have had many guilds join you recently and have huge numbers so rather than flaming us, show some respect to the guilds who have stuck with desolation and not taken the easy path of a server transfer when times are hard.

The community page will always big up SFR, We have most of the Server on there so it’s bound to be biased. That aside i’d say most people from SFR respect are enemy’s, We’ve had some great fights just over the weekend.

I havn’t seen much flaming tbh mate, It’s great to see fights and guilds not giving up straight away after they’ve been wiped.

Please remember, Many of the core guilds you see in WvW today have contributed alot to SFR since launch, We toke this server on as bottom in the WvW rankings and we’ve turned it into a t2 server (When it was medium) we’ve now had a few guilds join us and i welcome them, Maybe we will get to t1 one day, And we can see how we do against them.

We respect are enemy, There had to be ALOT of rebuilding of SFR after we dropped out of T2, and we fought hard to get guilds to cover our weak points. If anything SFR success in WvW has to do with a community as a whole, we have alot of Skilled WvW guilds, who are always willing to help each other out.

If one Borderland is losing, That’s communicated though the PevePe.net Website and they get backup. That’s why you see us move in and out of borderlands alot.

Oh trust me I do remember mate. You guys in my opinion had and still have one of the top wvw communities, I remember well the last time we fought. You also stuck together when things were not so good. I love fighting you guys the organisation you bring to the table is superb.

Unfortunately although we are a high pop server we are not a wvw server. At the moment we are having to border hop in prime time just to try and get footholds in borders, and our whole guild can get straight into any border immediately, we also send commanders to EB to help out there.

I hope you guys get to tier one and give Blacktide a good fight. You remind me of them in alot of ways, great community with some top guilds.

Anyway I hope you don’t get all the pve’rs joining you for the buffs.

I think nearly every server has the problem with not being able to get the maps full, even during primetime. The new pve conent, people just leaving guild wars 2 or getting bored of wvsw, because there isn’t anything new since release. We on Elona had queus from 17.00-24.00 on every map, when we won the t1 matchup against Vizunah and Far Shiverpeaks. Now there isnt any queue anymore on both enemy borderlands during primetime. Even the waiting time for eternals went from 2-3 hours down to 20-30 minutes during primetime. There wasn’t even any queue on at least one borderland 2 weeks ago when we were winnig against arbostone and baruch bay. So that isn’t just a question of winning or loosing.
I think the only servers which dont have this problems are servers like Blacktide or SF, because many guilds from other servers (mainly Far shiverpeaks) joined them. Desolation dind’t get any big guilds, like Elona.
We have a thread in the german Forum about creating one or two german “superservers”(we cant recrute any people from other timezones, so that would be the only possibility), which can compete in t1 or t2 (like the french community did with arborstone and vizunah) but the majority dont like the idea. Most of the people prefer playing without queus than being in the highter tiers.
I really hope there will be a big wvsw update to get people back to wvsw. I think this would help particulary pve servers like desolation and elona.

Yeh it must be twice as difficult for you guys as at least the english servers are international and can recruit more easily. hey we have a few german players ! Hope things improve for you.

ethier.3417:

Offski.4897:

Shame Seafarers dont seem to come on this thread much. You guys seem to prefer the self congratulation and flaming on your community page.

I think in general you guys are great but before you flame deso remember we have no queue’s other than on one border for maybe two hours in the evening due to so many of our players joining ruin and then leaving with them.

You have had many guilds join you recently and have huge numbers so rather than flaming us, show some respect to the guilds who have stuck with desolation and not taken the easy path of a server transfer when times are hard.

The community page will always big up SFR, We have most of the Server on there so it’s bound to be biased. That aside i’d say most people from SFR respect are enemy’s, We’ve had some great fights just over the weekend.

I havn’t seen much flaming tbh mate, It’s great to see fights and guilds not giving up straight away after they’ve been wiped.

Please remember, Many of the core guilds you see in WvW today have contributed alot to SFR since launch, We toke this server on as bottom in the WvW rankings and we’ve turned it into a t2 server (When it was medium) we’ve now had a few guilds join us and i welcome them, Maybe we will get to t1 one day, And we can see how we do against them.

We respect are enemy, There had to be ALOT of rebuilding of SFR after we dropped out of T2, and we fought hard to get guilds to cover our weak points. If anything SFR success in WvW has to do with a community as a whole, we have alot of Skilled WvW guilds, who are always willing to help each other out.

If one Borderland is losing, That’s communicated though the PevePe.net Website and they get backup. That’s why you see us move in and out of borderlands alot.

Oh trust me I do remember mate. You guys in my opinion had and still have one of the top wvw communities, I remember well the last time we fought. You also stuck together when things were not so good. I love fighting you guys the organisation you bring to the table is superb.

Unfortunately although we are a high pop server we are not a wvw server. At the moment we are having to border hop in prime time just to try and get footholds in borders, and our whole guild can get straight into any border immediately, we also send commanders to EB to help out there.

I hope you guys get to tier one and give Blacktide a good fight. You remind me of them in alot of ways, great community with some top guilds.

Anyway I hope you don’t get all the pve’rs joining you for the buffs.

Shame Seafarers dont seem to come on this thread much. You guys seem to prefer the self congratulation and flaming on your community page.

I think in general you guys are great but before you flame deso remember we have no queue’s other than on one border for maybe two hours in the evening due to so many of our players joining ruin and then leaving with them.

You have had many guilds join you recently and have huge numbers so rather than flaming us, show some respect to the guilds who have stuck with desolation and not taken the easy path of a server transfer when times are hard.

As a wvw player I do not want free transfers to stop at the monent.

As lots are aware Deso benefitted from free transfers when Ruin joined, they recruited many of deso’s wvw players and promptly moved to Blacktide.

Now Deso has no que’s except for about a 2 hour slot on one border. We desperately need wvw guilds/players to join us.

I appreciate that servers who have had a massive influx of wvw guilds such as blacktide and seafarers would be happy for paid transfers to come in now. Unfortunately free transfers has been detrimental to Deso and paid transfers would completely stop any chance of us being able to recover.

Before I get flamed my guild and others have stuck to the same server through lots of crap when we could easily of defected to get an easier ride.

Yeh unfortunately we pulled out of Dawn’s as our other borders were undermanned and did not have any towers’/keeps. I heard it was like a tide when you overran the palce.

Seafarer’s you guys have serious numbers at times. Some fun good fights had all over the borderlands tonight. Wish you guys would not fill out all the borders and switch so much. Kudos to Elona to, who have been fun to fight also.

We seem to have a hacker on our server called “think with portals”. Was in bluelake in elona border this evening. I told no one to take the portal but I think one or two iron did before I told them not to. . Apologies for that. Anyway he has been reported so lets hope anet do something about it.

I must stress that Iron have never had any hackers/exploiters and would not knowingly attempt to benefit from them.

Webley.1295:

When SFR was out last night in ER borderlands a mesmer reported to us a portal was available. We asked him how he managed to make it and told everyone in team speak not to use it

Those who entered the portal then drew back and left without fighting

We stopped 30 people right off the bat from hoping in and reported him for exploiting and told him not to do it again

This mesmer wasnt hacking or flying, just abusing broken skills anet need to fix that allow you to get behind the defenses.

Thankyou for your sportsmanship mate, its really appreciated. Can’’t be helped if a few people use the portal in the heat of battle.

Anyway great fun yesterday. I am really enjoying fighting both Elona and SF. A part of the reason being that we all seem to be strong at different times, none of the 3 servers are dominate for the whole 24 hours.

Btw we don’t have a night time presence in Deso anymore, like the other servers I think it is day time players using the weekend to stay up late to try and win us some points.

I agree with the post above i’ll ask zaowi to remove that post when he comes online.

I apologise on his behalf. Usually hackers are only one or two people and we can all do little about them.

Murtas thanks for the post mate, yeh we did have lots on last night. God you guys kept coming, I was getting reports from every angle of incs. Was alot of fun though and so glad to be fighting u guys again.

I was commanding iron until 4.30 am this morning so please tell me when and how we were exploiting?

murtas.2417:

Lol at Seafarers Rest being a super server, we are super just not super server! :p

Nice comeback from IRON, their zerg was impressive in numbers on SFR Border on Reset.
Its a nice compliment to see the strongest Deso guild focusing on us.

GF.

Well i’ll take you calling us a Zerg as a back handed compliment as it was really great to see the turn out we got after the crap the guild/server has been through.

One thing though, a zerg describes an unorganised rabble, just because we decided as a guild to not use turtling tactics last night does not mean we were unorganised.

Anyway back to the fight, really enjoyed last night, felt very rusty, but it was great to be back in wvw. It was fun fighting you guys and Elona.

I would also like to thank the other guilds in Deso for their turnout (special mentions to FG, GP, GT, Unit, JUGG, TSL, Fluf and EXG if i forgot anyone apologies) even though we just could not get the numbers from the rest of the Deso community it was great working as a team.

Really looking forward to this week.

After speaking to Anet, they suggested a thread like this on the suggestions forum. Please can you put your suggestions from this thread in that forum.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/WvW-Players-post-here-re-pve-ascendant-gear/first#post838616

Please post your thoughts here on the new gear and having to do rng pve to obtain this gear. Most importantly suggestions of how this gear should be obtained in wvw.

I purchased this game solely for wvw, with the understanding and knowledge that there would be a grind to get my character/s to 80 and to get exotic gear on them. I thoroughly enjoyed the game, then last Friday’s bomb shell hit.

Not only have Anet introduced new and better gear, there is no way to get this gear in wvw, in fact you have to rely on RNG in a dungeonWhich I do not enjoy) to obtain this gear. Us wvw players know we have been left behind when it comes to gear, only being able to either craft/ buy karma gear or use our badges for gear (Having played wvw since day one and saved all my badges I still cannot even buy a full set of soldiers gear.)

So rather than continue moaning, I have started this thread in the hope that like minded WvW players can put suggestions here of how you think we should be able to obtain this gear through wvw going forward.

Great post thk you.

I spoke to an Anet employee and expressed my views. I play this game for wvw like many others I never wanted to feel forced into doing a pve grind, unfortunately this is exactly what has happenned.

Not only this but it is rng which means it is pot luck whether you get the correct drops or not, making said grind even worse. bringing in superior gear was bad enough but to make it RNG……………….

The problem is that Anet for some reason roped wvw and pve together. It has never really occured to them that making changes to pve which affect wvw will frustrate many in the wvw community.

There would of been many ways to avoid this if they had just thought about it. I am not sure what will happen going forward wvw wise as this has been one of the worst weeks I have experienced in the game.

Anyone knwo the cheapest and most effective way of getting these?

I just sold 4 items, 3 ectoa nd one superior rune of fire. Total sell value 2G70S.
Profit after tp costs should of been 2g29S
I got 1G79s95c

Please sort this out, issues like this are so frustrating when you are trying to make your silvers to just get decent gear.

I really feel for Blacktide, super wvw server or not I was really looking forward to the fight last week. Unfortunately it all turned to crap last weekend for reasons that have been commented to death already.

It would of been great to of fought you guys with our full strength, sadly this did not happen. Still thoroughly enjoyed fighting the likes of Nug, Cir, Xoac, FG and many others. Red Guard you guys are just brutal.

As has been said previously currently we do not have the strength to compete in tier 1, hopefully this will change in the future. In the meantime maybe another server can come up and give BT some sort of challenge.

Kirn.3129:

And here I was hoping that the talks about ruin moving to BT were just rumors. The problem with them moving would be them leaving Desolation without night crew. And we all know by now, that however good you may fight at the prime-time, the top server is decided by how much points you can get during off-hours. And we had 2 EU international servers that fit – BT and Desol. Actually, scratch that thing about servers. If you get right down to it, you got 2 guilds who make impact – RUIN, who are, in EU terms, nightcappers and Chaos, who are morningcappers. And for servers to compete, those have to be on different servers. Which is not the case now.

Well, as always, I blame the WvW system.

Probably now top tier will be BT, Vizunah and Elona… and that’s it.

Could not of said it better. Although you could add the old vizunah nightcappers to that list. It’s a shame because the qualities/skills of the top prime time guilds are not recognised for the work they do. It becomes all about the night/morning cappers.

If Anet had just made all servers international in the first place then maybe this issue would not of caused such an impact on who wins/loses.

Anyway here’s hoping that Chaos will start to run out of gold for the upgrades next week.

Sadly ruin found it too hard to beat the BT guilds Friday night and you know the saying “If you can’t beat em, join them”. I kind of expected more of these US guys.

As for spreading the rumour that IRON were breaking up, another thumbs up for Archeos. At least have the decency of asking the people within the guild if this is the case (the guild is not one person). There was no need to destabilise the server and another guild in this way.

What a week not only have I/we experienced the toughest fights I can remember in wvw, but have also had to deal with all the other crap. Saying that I have no excuses as BT have been superb.

If people have indeed been left in the lurch by Ruin and are staying on Deso. Then Iron are recruiting.

http://www.ironguild.eu/

As for Blacktide, very impressive tactics, skills and I am enjoying fighting you guys. We are struggling against the sheer number of large organised guilds you have whilst trying to take fortified keeps. If we manage to wipe one another strong guild appears.

Vizunah have definately improved this week in terms of tactics and numbers. You guys definately deserve 2nd spot.

Unfortunately Deso has taken a number of blows during this match up and our turn out has been non existent at times. As everyone knows Ruin have hardly been playing and with them recruiting large numbers of our player base since joining this has exacerbated the problem we are facing now.

Anyway what fighting I have managed this week has been tough but fun. Thankyou.

Simply rubbish.

Yes there are inherent problems with the commander icon, but having a voting system which would mean that smaller guilds would not be able to have a commander is not a fair way to go about it.

As for larger guilds that do 20 hours plus like ourselves, we need multiple commanders otherwise the commanders would have to be pulling 8 hours shifts + each everyday. Which would be far from ideal.

The French and German servers were very quick to get the active wvw’rs into 1 or 2 servers. Unfortunately the so called English servers were very slow to do this.

It is now being done and yet all you get is abuse for it. Surely they should be happy with the competition. Blacktide were gentlemen when we last played them and I hope they get to tier one asap. Having said that lets hope those that have moved from FS do not continue to complain about server transfers amongst other things and get into the Blacktide spirit.

Anyway I look forward to meeting Blacktide again and hopefully in tier 1.

Well pld Vs, you lot came out in force last night, we just could not compete.

Hopefully next week will be even closer. We need to improve on saturdays and hopefully with less pve events we can have a better turn out.

Stop griping about 2vs1 it is what it is, deal with it. It is tier 1 it should be tough. Best match up we have had in a long time.

And we have come 2nd which is not bad at all.

Can’t we just talk about the battle?

I am thoroughly enjoying it. both french servers have taught me a number of lessons, I have had a few chats with opposition players who have been wicked.

The balance issue must be frustrating for both VS and AS, but comeon VS you had no opposition at night for weeks.

Deso has definately improved as rather than getting steamrolled by AS in prime time like last time we manage to hold our own.

the whole point about the servers is redundant, are there Russian servers? No most Russians play with english servers and communicate well enough. Are there Asian servers no, are there Ozzy servers, no. mexican, brazilian etc etc… No.

All those countries can play where they choose, in fact everyone can. So why don;t we just enjoy the fight and move on from all this complaining?

Hmm. I tried leading my guild without the commander icon, saying on me did not work too well without it. SO i completely agree Guilds should have an internal icon which we can also invite ally’s to see, this would be a reasonable solution.

The problem is I want to see other comanders on the map, sometimes I sit in a keep and do dog work for the guild with my commander off, again I need to see what all commanders are doing.

Yes there are alot of commanders out there where I just go wtf are they doing or who appear on a border and don’t ask if they can help or even what the situation is.

it is a bit of a mess, but I am not 100% sure of a solution.

To those who have just spouted the same old troll rubbish about avoiding all commanders, I think its a kitten shame you have not been able to find a good one. I love following our two main commanders and in fact most of the random allies on the map follow them to.

Thresher.3049:

Plus, you’re really only as good as your last job, if you screw up very badly don’t think people won’t notice.

As a commander it can get frustrating when others in the map do not follow you or give up after two wipes. Taking a fortified tower, keep is not easy especially when well defended and full of seige.

Do I make mistakes sure yeh I do, do I make bad decisions, yes, try getting all decisions right when being double teamed by 2 servers.

The reason I highlighted the above is because sometimes what I try fails miserably for any number of reasons. Does that make me a bad commander? Does that mean everyone should take notice of that failure and stop following me?

Show me a commander who never fails or makes the wrong decision.

Anyway back on topic. Thanks for the great fighting last night FS on your borderland. Nug were really impressive last night. Great 2/3 hour fight for garrison and the northern towers which you finally and deservedly took. We then tried everything to get the towers/garrison back and failed non stop.

In fact that was some of the best fighting I have had in wvw. Don’t think I have wiped so much in a long time.

Someone made a very good comment – to stop all this whining one simple solution do not have NA and eu servers. Anet should of made all servers international. Then there would be no excuses.

This whole thread is going nowhere. Kodash give the opinion that they only lose in prime time because they have given up(and due to hackers).

FS have a good moan about night capping and Ruin even though they themselves were asking for north American support in a thread created 9 days ago, which was prior to this match up. Fs realised it was essential to have better coverage, so why are you so bitter when you come across a server that has managed to get that coverage?

We at Deso know from previous matches how demorilizing night capping is, but lets face facts a night crew is vital in tier one hence FS trying to recruit different time zones. Alot of fair weather players in Deso dissappeared when we were losing, like Kodash and FS are experiencing now, but a number of guilds tried to keep up the fight. Would we be where we are today without Ruin, highly unlikely, having said that we were improving and we now have the necessary coverage to take on the top French and german servers.

It’s a shame that rather than the usual compliments and friendly banter that I have seen in the past match up threads, that this thread has degenerated into bitterness and ………… towards the opposition.

Loved the fight for garrison and the two northern towers last night, non stop fighting for 4/5 hours against FS, what I love about wvw. And yes it was depressing when I put my portal down in the lords room of Sunny, turned round and saw not one person appear out of it. Well played by FS there.

FS you had one good day, saturday, would not go as far as to say you domated but yeh you won that day hands down. Was on your borderland tonight, some nice fights for garrison, which we managed to hold all evening. Strange thing is there was not one RUIN player defending, a miracle we managed to hold.

Kodash congratualtions you capped a keep under the noses of RUIN, impressive stuff. Obviously even in prime time when Deso beats you down it has nothing to do with skill. Oh and yeh thanks for handing us the win two weeks ago, obviously our efforts meant nothing.

I hope our next match up provides different opposition who hopefully won’t be inclined to moan about the opposition as much as you guys. gets a bit tiresome after a while.

Syntax.9602:

Well now replace FS with Kodash, are you saying we should look for some oversea-communities.

Oh I know some fun preparation, how about starting a war again, our latest efforts were not that successful, but I think invading Australia and make it german would be a way to go (well Australia is not so much different from Austria…), we really should start preparations for that.

So Anet decides to give us german servers just to say as you are kittened because your country was not imperialistic enough to spread your language (well actually germany didn’t even exist during colonization). But if you say 3 weeks… I remember something taking not much longer^^.

So basically the only reason german servers were successful was, that there was no oversea-presence to face and the battles were completly dictated by overall population and dedication. After RUIN we have now the first proven canadians in T1 (about 30 to 50, but they might leave again for US-Servers, because they lack competition, they are just testing a bit).

Actually competitive means getting a mindless american zerg to join your server and they can’t even compete in flaming since they are sleeping while we flame them, which is not more fun than fighting against doors.

The only reason they joined is because they obviously decided to avoid competition. I’m not sure what RUIN expected, did they really expected to meet a canadian hebrew-speaking guild with 500 members? Did they expect us to stay awake just to battle them?

There are 12 Servers of whom you can’t expect to get a nightcrew + 2 that are literally stuck at the bottom. And since WvW isn’t fixed you will always have a borderline were the english obviously superior servers will battle the french/german servers.

And than Desolation is always talking about preparation. RUIN dropped out of nowhere, Desolation hasn’t even asked for them they just decided it would be fun to chop some wooden doors and had chosen Desolation for this, since there opponents seem to have the best doors I guess.

So Desolation just got a lucky drop with getting RUIN and no everybody sucks because they weren’t that lucky… and as Desolation fought Vizunah the french were some real baddies to fight at night and this without major oversea-presence.

You do remember that we beat you 2 weeks ago without RUIN? You even had most of the orbs all week due to the SF hacker and yes we still beat you. So pls stop moaning about RUIN.

As for colonisation, really? 50% of players within Iron are not UK based. I know Germans are well superior to the English at learning languages and the majority have decent English, so you have the ability to recruit if you so wish. Or you could just join an NA server, or your wvw could go to another German server and bolster it. There are options.

RUIN were not happy with things so they made the change. Trust me they are bored senseless in the evenings and cannot wait for a challenge at night. It’s no fun having no opposition and nothing to attack or defend.

@Sird.4536

I think what a lot of people on Deso are frustrated with is the lack of recognition for the work done during the day, other than saturday where fair enough FS carried the day the daytime battles have been very even.

I know as others do on our server how frustrating it can be fighting a nightcapping crew in VS and Arborstone. it is demoralizing to say the least. Saying that flaming Deso daytime players and saying how much greater you guys are is not the way to gain any respect.

We see how well you fight and we are learning off you. Yes Deso had some dark days but things were improving prior to Ruin joining.

The only way you will become competitive again is with a 24hour presence. If Ruin had not joined us we would of kept on fighting without flaming the opposition. Blacktide were gentleman personified losing to us last week and their morning/daytime crew a real challenge.

Deso definately has a long way to go, but we are getting better and fighting Far Shiverspeak has definately shown we need to up our game at times. But we are learning and we are becoming more organised.

FS to compete does need a night capping guild as wvw is 24/7 not 12/7. I hope you get one so that maybe you guys will be able to compete in the top tiers on an even footing. Obviously FS did incredibly well to stay in tier one for such a long period of time.

Having said that, from the majority of comments FS players are implying that Deso only competes because of Ruin. Are you so bitter that you cannot see or appreciate the effort of the rest of Deso?

Just seen what the guy said above, umm you do realise saturday morning you took the keep and orb on your borderland with 40-50 people against 7?

Umm was it not kodash who 2 weeks ago had a hacker who basically kept taking all Deso’s orbs and destroying the altar’s so we could not even attempt to catch an orb for a few days straight?

Did Kodash attempt to give the orbs back = no. (before he started destroying altars)
Did Kodash apologise = Yes by a few people and he was reported by you.

Did I blame Kodash for this. God no, your whole server was not responsible for one or two idiots. If I see a hacker I will instantly report him and so would the majority of others on Deso. People have apologised just accept it and move on.

As for Far Shivers/Nug, do you do anything but moan? Sunday we gained points during the day, so we beat you in prime time before any Americans came on. So if we are so bad what does that say about you?

florence.1674:

There are many small guilds on Desolation that are increasingly being belittled and marginalised by a certain few large guilds, in particular Ruin.

During the quieter hours, most of us little randoms try our best at forming small strike teams that go around taking camps or towers. However, what makes this work is we use map chat to coordinate efforts.

Ruin doesn’t talk on map chat, instead depending on us randoms either be psychic or in their words “join Ruin”. Any effort at trying to get them to talk is pointless. We are always told to stop the qq.

I’m just particularly annoyed about tonight because our borderlands was a lost cause for about 2 hours. Then a couple of us small random guilds decided to work together and managed to take back not only 2 towers but also the garrison. Shortly after we took the garrison, Ruin arrives in large numbers, starts their zergball and ignores our efforts at coordinating or talking. They just live in their own TS world. We get told to quit our whining as usual or “join Ruin”.

Now, unless Desolation belongs to only 1 guild, at this moment, all I would end with is: “Ruin, great for Desolation’s score, bad for Desolation’s community.”

yes, I am upset at the moment at how Ruin hijacked our efforts and belittled us. I am just making an attempt, no matter how futile, to get Ruin to remember that there are many in Desolation who are not part of Ruin but would give their time to fight for Desolation. All we are looking for is helpful communication from you at times.

Hi mate. I for one know how difficult it is to not only try and coordinate on TS with your guild but at the same time try and coordinate on map chat. It is really hard, especially when the situation changes frequently. The ability to give/recieve information quickly is vital to achieving objectives.

I believe ruin will allow you on their teamspeak, as this is a far superior method of communication or I am sure you would be welcome to join the alliance teamspeak with Iron. All you need is one of your players to listen in or maybe ask for asistance on teamspeak.

They are certainly not belittling, in fact quite the opposite wanting everyone to work together to reach a common goal of winning and in my experience more often than not offer assistance if it is needed.

How about we refrain from the petty flaming? And night zerg/morning zerg rubbish and talk about the positives in this match.

I hope free transfers remain, so that servers may recruit guilds to cover certain timezones to enable them to compete with the servers which have 24/7 coverage.

Anyway this fight is far from over and looks like it might become one of the more competitive/even match ups we have seen.

Snort.3698:

Raap.9065:

Additionaly someone reported seeing russian mesmers teleport infront of them out of nowhere and pop portals, south side of AB, which never got breached.

So you sit there and see a Mesmer and think oh no an exploit. That’s the easy option.
now lets see what really happened.

Consider this a gift from the ThUn trick bag for all the good fights you give us.

The mesmer was a ThUn Mesmer, dutch I believe not Russian.

After the door was taken down at bay we were sitting out side deciding how to deal with the wall of siege weapons behind the door.

We decided to feint for the door and have 3 Mesmers try to stealth in, they broke for the door as we seemed to retreat for Garrison with CIR. We are pursued by some defenders who left a hole behind them. 2 Mesmers died but one got in.

We then broke right and swam south to wait for the call from the Memser.

He having been spotted kited 3 players to the south wall where he ported us in. We then pushed for the siege weapons from accross the internal bridge. Desolation forces over reacted to us and pushed the bridge to stop us leaving the open gate poorly defended and CIR rushed in behind and we sandwiched you guys.

It was matter of us having a plan, some of your guys not holding the defensive postion and us having 3 mesmers in our warband.

Shortly after you guys came back onto the walls and the server went splat.

People have to realise that there are far fewer exploits in this game than the average player imagines.

Simply apply Occams razor, your defenders made a mistake chasing kills and a Mesmer stealthed by you.

Moral of the story dont kill chase.

Great tactics mate, completely bamboozled our defences there. As a Mesmer I explained that it is not too difficult to get inside an open wall. Thanks for the tips btw.

Anyway that was amazingly good timing for us that the server died at that point, we will never know who would of won that fight on the wall (probably the sheer numbers fighting in the one spot caused the crash, as AR were joining the party as well at that point).

Shame really, have the feeling the battle for AB would of been one epic fight.

I am thoroughly enjoying wvw. Yes there are issues such as the orbs, but I still enjoy the game regardless.

It can get demoralizing when losing but we managed a comeback last week to steal second spot after being around 40k points behind from the weekend, so it is possible to get back into matches you are losing.

We have to remember the game is less than 2 months old. Changes will be made to improve WvW.

I have no issue with free transfers at the moment for all its faults it allows servers to make alliances and maybe recruit guilds from different time zones in order to have a 24h presence. Otherwise servers like Deso, Far Shivers, SF and Blacktide will never be able to compete with the likes of Viz Sq, Elona and Arborstone who all seem to have pretty much 24h coverage.

Long term idea – come on…..implement that and you take away tactics from the game, working as groups and achieving objectives is what WVW is all about, not just how many of the opposing server you can kill. You have Spvp if you want points for kills.

Where were all these Deso players when we were losing to the French 2 weeks ago. Where were they all when we were in last place last week?

There were no queues for 2 weeks, especially on the borderlands, because of all the fair weather players. Now we are winning again people want to play, but complain that they can’t get in?

We get a guild (RUIN) which can help us be competitive against the likes of arborstone and vizunah etc and yet some people are’nt happy because they cannot get into Eternal Bg. The longest the que was last night on augury rock border was 20 minutes.

Come fight in a borderland, come fight when we are outmanned night after night (if losing), rather than moaning on here.

Well played throughout the week by Seafarers, thoroughly deserved their win this week. Also a big thanks for your decisive action with the orb hacker, which actaully meant you guys like us (Deso) had a harder time of it, losing orb after orb due to this hacker.

I feel for Kodash as they did not ask for the hacker/s.

As for all this night capping flaming etc. It seems to me that at different times of the day some servers are more active than others. On the weekend desolation was pretty much deserted, no idea why (happenned last 3 match ups now). Seafarers take everything most mornings, we slowly fight back during the day and then have a numerical/organisational advantage later at night. It’s all part of the game.

Anyway we in Iron have really enjoyed fighting it out with everyone this week.

Hope you guys at Seafarer’s kick some …. next week.

Great Ideas Majork

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To be honest, I no longer expect people in the sPvP forum to know the difference between the terms “illusion” “clone” and “phantasm.” (cannot quote for some reason)

I laughed at the above quote – was great. Sums up the majority of people moaning about Mesmer’s, as they literally do not know that we have clones and phantasms.

I give advice to people starting Mesmers all the time and they say “what you have clones and phantasms, really? whats the difference?”

If I have trouble understanding how to beat a class, I firstly read the forums for advice then I may create that class, play it to learn its strengths and weaknesses. Spvp is amazing for this.

What do the majority of people do? They moan – that class is op and my class is UP.

Sums up the average community member. I hope Anet stops listening to these people.

I don’t think the changes are too bad, the question is were they needed? Mesmers main way of dealing damage is phantasms, do we deal alot of damage = no we don’t. So why nerf our damage output?

I mainly play in wvw and dabble slightly in spvp. The problem for me is that the people who complain about mesmer in spvp are the majority who like to bash in our clones rather than fight the actual mesmer. I rarely hear of a decent player moaning about mesmer’s.

I have been on every class forum and the majority of the community just love to have a moan about other classes and their own class. In my opinion Anet needs to stop listening to these people. In the top SPvP gaming bracket are Mesmers number 1 by a long way, if so maybe I’ll start to see why they were nerfed?

The orb buff simply has to be changed. Fighting a server with 3 orbs is just ridiculous. As individuals the scaling of the buff for defence, attack, crit etc etc is bad enough but fighting a whole group of people with this buff makes them scale in offensive and defensive abilities to a massive degree. Guards get the buff, downed state gets the buff, trained sharks get the buff…I have no idea why someone concieved this idea in wvw to make the strongest team even stronger.

I don’t mind losing to the most organised team, and some of the tactics Arborstone have used this week have been superb, especially a couple of their guilds. When we managed to get one orb for a while versus the 2 of Arborstone the difference was unbelievably noticable.

My suggestion like many others is simple, swap the outmanned buff with orb buff plus give the keep the orb is kept in double points or something. I don’t particularly like giving any buff to players in wvw , but undermanned worlds need some help to help prevent some of the nightcapping which occurs when undermanned.

Also when a team is well ahead they get alot more vitality from the wvw general world buff, which just exacerbates the problem, so this buff needs to be removed. Once these issues are resolved I expect to see far closer battles.

I spent 3 hours getting to the end of the puzzle, fighting the whole way. Then we aoe’d the arrow carts down in arena and got through. kitten right first thing i did was drop a ballista. The whole thing was some of the most fun pvp i have experienced.

Some people just want the achievement easy mode, but this is wvw and it makes it 10 times more fun and interesting fighting your way through.

MarzAttakz.9608:

Yeah Offski call it what you like, go check DSC forums and see who called for the FIRST Desolation WvW meeting (that was me). My small guild (Attack Fight Kill) contributes on every map we join, while you guys are off bashing Garrison or some crap we’re defending and/or taking supply camps, repairing damage and basically doing everything we can to contribute to the server overall.

The bottom line is that as a small guild playing every night till 5am is not sustainable, most of us are adult’s with a job. Props to IRON and all the bigger guilds, you guys are doing a great job.

Easy there fella, no need to be defensive was not being critical was just saying we should not be defeatist. Because we are losing, alot of people on the server seemed to of stopped coming into wvw at the moment, I was just trying to point out that wvw can still be enjoyed if playing defensively rather than aggressively.

And we would of loved you to join us last night. QTRKOBRA.1827 yes mate in IRON.
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MarzAttakz.9608:

I was in Arborstone Borderlands after the reset until 5am (resets at 2am for me) had a few good fights but then the numbers started shifting and we all know the outcome. Got back home on Sunday evening, logged in, checked the score and logged out. Shame on me I know but to be brutally frank I’m sick of being zerged to death in the late night slot that I get to play.

I no longer care how well we’re ranked in Europe. I’d rather we get placed lower and have more good fights than the current kitten we have now. The Augury Rock + Gunner’s Hold matchup was great and I hope we have more of those in future.

I am sorry but that is such a defeatist attitude. Yes we cannot compete against the numbers that arborstone throw at us. But you can still enjoy wvw.

I had one of my most enjoyable nights in WVW last night in the Augury Rock borders. It started with Trebuchet battles as Arborstone started testing the defences at Ascalon Hills, squad attacks to take out trebs. beefing up defences at Ascalon hills.

Then Arbs numbers got ridiculous and we became heavily outnumbered with one final aim to defend Deso’s last keep on all maps.

They took the outer doors, they brought down the inner keep door, but even outnumbered by about 3/4 (And the 3 orb buff) to 1 we held them off with some great leadership (and 1 or 2 ballista’s). I am not blowing iron’s trumpet but along with a few pugs (who were great too) we held (until I finally caved and went to bed at 3.30 am uk time anyway). Organisation made all the difference. Squads were being sent out to take supply camps as we generally had none, to grab what supply we could and then retreat, we sent people to ascension bay to force attackers to leave ascalon hills and give the defence some breathing room to get supply and rebuild seige defences, repair doors. We even portalled to the other borderlands and eternal to recruit more people into the defence.

It was what WVW pvp is all about it’s not all about winning, zerging and capturing keeps, supply camps etc. If you had stayed on and joined us on the Augury rock border I guarantee you would of had a great evening as we held off and even made that zerg retreat, for a few hours at least.

Haha Tron cannot believe you carried on playing – you were promising to sleep saturday night.

As for people transfering worlds and using supply. Some few idiots would do this yes, but I think you would be shocked at the amount of people who do not know not to take supply from keeps or SM or who are just too lazy to do a supply run.

There are plenty of people still using wvw just to level which is fine, but others need to educate them on what they should and should not be doing, because alot simply do not have a clue.