Guild Wars 2

dreztina.4820:

Madax.1053:

Hacks and Spamming those emotes! Dang, [Yarr] has it all! FC must be proud…

I like your team comp.

Shatter mesmer, phantasm mesmer, confusion mesmer, and a tank/utility mesmer. Plenty of diversity going on there, IMO.

You don’t get a 150K to 75K to 70K score unless there is a serious population/coverage imbalance.

Steve Whitley.8359:

dreztina.4820:

Steve Whitley.8359:

sadly enough his tale is mostly accurate. the numbers are slightly off on our side we probably had maybe 10-12 but they all had a wild hair to kill siegerazer instead of trying to get into the tower (we wiped the group doing the breakout prior to these guys showing up, that bit was pretty fun). sometimes folks get distracted by the silliest of things… like big champ npcs that they’re not going to kill (and is responsible for 99% of our wipe not these guys though they did annoy us by spiking our remaining rezzers keeping us from moving when it became apparent that that objective was going to be impossible in present company) despite being told repeatedly that they’re not going to kill it and to come build these rams and take this tower :S

I’m pretty sure it was more than that, but admittedly I could have overestimated a bit.

I guess I didn’t convey it clearly enough, but I wasn’t trying to say I was great because we killed you guys. In fact I’ve said the opposite numerous times already. It was just one of those moments of complete bewilderment, where I couldn’t even begin to understand what was going on.

Edit: I’m about to start roaming, so if anyone wants to prove just how bad I am, feel free to come looking. I’ll probably be on AR or FC bl south of the water.

we originally passed you by because i’d just gotten a message from someone in the middle saying they were dueling dr so i figured you & the others were just on your way there and i’m of the opinion that one dude against a zerg should be free to get taken by other roamers, if you turned back (to join the group we were about to hit—imo you were fair game & I think the rest of the group thought the same thing which I think you eventually did). unfortunately for us, our guys assumed siegerazerererererrrrr was some normal npc.

They were like, “keel teh enemuh commandar!!”

Nothing but truth, that is.

It’s not exclusive to FC. It happens with all servers. When people are getting killed by half their numbers or even their numbers most players will eventually seek out a zerg for protection. That, or hide in a tower.

Aeneasx.1589:

I see things have changed for Fergs.

That is the natural order of things when you are consistently losing open field fights to half your number. :P

Good to see Gae Ko back in action!

Everyone knows the correct argumentation method is “I’m right, therefore you are stupid.”

D/P thieves are going to be a PITA not only because you have short windows to land your abilities but because of the blind field. I’ve lost a couple of fights against them, but I noticed in those fights I did not make good use of fire shield. My fights (so far) have gone very well against thieves when I make sure I get fire shield off.

I’ve noticed some really bad desyncing the past couple of days. I’ve been seeing a lot of out of range messages on people well within range.

hobbes.6178:

Corruption perhaps?

I have a pair of backup swords that I use to stack corruption. BTW, for anyone that doesn’t know – using two sigils of corruption builds the stacks twice as fast.

hobbes.6178:

What sigil do you use in offhand weapon?

I don’t have a set choice there and I’ve been trying out different things. Condition duration bonus is too low to really change anything for me and my crit chance is a bit too low to take advantage of on crit sigils.

I have more survivability with a monk’s focus and meditation build on my guardian than with healing signet on my warrior. The warrior does more damage though, so the tradeoff seems fair.

Two burst classes that don’t suck can outdamage the healing signet easily (hell, even one really good DPSer can outdamage the healing signet). I can’t say the same for the guardian with MF/Meds. I’ve stalemated 2 heavy DPS with my guardian on more than one occasion where they just eventually give up and leave.

Weggie.3215:

I get the feeling you don’t like IoJ….

Great Vids BTW

Thanks. The movie is tongue-in-cheek. All servers have zerging spam laughers, including mine. :P

Expiatus.4210:

Have you tried out the new runes for torment and confusion on a condiwarrior yet? I would think the torment would a better compliment to S/S.

Thanks.

I haven’t and I doubt that I will. I like Melandru runes way too much for the passive condition protection. With dogged march and anticondi food, it’s nice to almost be invulnerable to cripples and roots.

Yeah, because class mechanics and synergies are so hard to figure out in GW2.

LightningBlaze.4913:

Oozo.7856:

DevonCarver.5370:

I agree with kitten , take a break from commanding. Whether you roam around tagless, play some PvE, play some PvP, or just take a breather from the game, WvW will be there when you are ready to re-up. And it’ll probably be even better!

^ Owned by the overly-aggressive forum filter.

hahaha it confused me in the 2 seconds by asking myself “who’s kitten?” then I saw the forum name of the person above xD!

It’s either that or Dev the dev actually likes to call people kitten.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEMxajr1mrA

For some fights it doesn’t really matter how poorly I play or how good the other person plays the fight is pretty much won by the build alone. However, it’s not unbeatable, of course. So far, there have been three 1v1 losses to a [PD] mesmer, [SE] thief, and [DHE] thief.

A few weeks back after watching Logi’s WvW movie I was impressed by how much sustain his build had. So, I went into the mists to test it out and found that with the passive healing in the build you can almost literally facetank the forest NPCs.

So, I dropped some coin and crafted the warrior to 80 to give it a shot in WvW. Keep in mind, I am quite literally a noobie warrior. I’m still building muscle memory and learning the animation timing of the abilities to avoid clipping abilities. Mistakes will be made.

I opted for 30 in discipline rather than going with banner regen as Logi did in his video. So, this build is a bit more offensive in nature. Build and gear is at the start of the first movie below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEMxajr1mrA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH2Qf3dNtAk

bloodletting wolf.2837:

I roll with 4-8 in wvw all the time and rarely merge with the zerg. To all of the people talking about getting steamrolled by the enemy zerg you either 1. Didn’t see the sea of red names coming to kill you 2.Refuse to use speed buffs/skills to your own detriment 3. #’s one and two.

And what happens when you are in combat fighting already and a zerg comes in with out of combat speed and sprint up? Other than that, yes… a zerg is easy to avoid if you aren’t stuck in combat.

Aeros.2046:

Stone.6751:

Uncle Shags.9017:

Standard BP fare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ74DQUtL0g

The funny thing is the aberration you see above is the direct result of getting smashed by ebay for 13 weeks. Towards the end we watched BP evolve and change. They started to practice their zerg ball moves in the open field. They stayed tight and followed the commander mindlessly around in circles, ignoring smaller groups of opposition to prevent penetration into their dense mass. Using numbers became their primary weapon.

Ebay, we created this monster!

Yes, if you go back and read previous match threads you would see that BP was mostly a pug server. We didn’t have large wvw focused guilds, we didn’t use TS much, and our wvw presence would rise and fall with morale. Basically, we weren’t organized.

The ‘numbers’ you all bemoan are typically the guilds which have now organized those pugs, uniting them in voice chat. The guilds and commanders now working together to provide some consistency to our coverage.

Don’t mistake it for zerging, because its not pugs on a karma train following any blue hat on the map.

Also note how that out of all those 80 people, none of them actually broke formation to run over to you but instead stayed tight on the commander. Incidentally, I remember that particular encounter, it was mega zerg that we usually run when the match is decided and we just want to have huge battles. Basically all the guilds get together and try and que a map.

A good “WvW” game would punish a server for wasting resources like that.

Natar.3671:

WhiteRose.6934:

The focus in this zerg to chase a lvl 5 ranger speaks wonders. And the dancing, priceless. You sure owned me, however will I learn to be as skilled as you guys?

Edit: I’ve had fun harassing you guys on another alt. The ranger who was so determined to kill my ranger has been my favorite target ~

ANOTHER EDIT ~ : 4v9, I think you need more arrow carts

Based on wat I know, PB seems to be a new guild in NSP and have been trying to recruit in LA for awhile lol. How they do in wvw I have no idea though

PB has been on NSP for months. We fought them back in May.

Amins.3710:

ArtemisEntreri.4138:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

madgod.7421:

I would love to see an ‘easier’ form of mobility for guardians (maybe a signet w/25% inc. speed like other classes get).

That said, Im fine not having it simply because of what we get in exchange — speed plus great gap closers. I run Retreat/SYG/SY with soldier runes. 2 out of those 3 give me swiftness, and every time I use them I cleanse conditions. If I need to bail – pop retreat, instant swiftness, plus aegis to cover my skritten on the way out the door.

Need to catch a mesmer on the run? Pop retreat/SY then blink/leap to him — whats more, with the right setup that blink/leap will not only stack burning, but also blind and vulnerability on him, not mention giving me a few stacks of might while instantly increasing my damage against him by a good 30%

We were design to stand, fight and if necessary, hunt down and finish what they start. We are strong, we are fast, we are Guardians!

… what you are saying you want to play is a warrior. To give you an idea of the class they have better sustain than guardians… but they don’t really bring as many group buffs as a guardian if they are speced that way.

Not completely true.

Warriors have worse sustain than guardians. They do have better CC and slightly better escapes due to being less tanky than guardians and they only bring most offensive boons which a guardian lacks. FGJ + banners is pretty solid on the offense side.

My only suggestion to the OP is to understand the limitations to the class and realize guardians are in a great place right now outside of bugs and useless traits that every class has. Mobility is your weakness and you have some area denial and light CC but you make up for it with being able to survive quite a bit of everything.

Warrior sustain is fine now. The problem w/ 90% of the people who play the class think that +healing is the worst stat ever… the other 10%, IE the KNOWLEDABLE ONES, have 550-750 healing built in somewhere and run Signet + 4 Dwayna runes.

They get a regen proc and they’re sitting at over 650+ healing per second. Add in a shout and some Omnom + Sigil of Blood and they’re doing JUST fine.

But again, that’s only 10% of the playerbase who understands sustain.

Yeah, warrior sustain is really quite good. I crafted up a warrior with 1K healing and my passive sustain in a 1v1 or 1v2 is better than the guardian’s sustain which is more active (cooldowns required). However, my guardian can protect myself from focused burst much better than the warrior can due to invuln, block, and more access to burst healing.

TLDR: From my personal experience, warrior sustain is just as good as or is better than guardian for 1v2s and 1v1s but guardian sustain is better in 1v3s or when taking heavy focus.

Of course, the benefit of the warrior condition sustain build over the guardian sustain build is that the warrior is far more deadly.

I’ve 1v1d or 1v2d around 8 guardians so far and none of them have even come close to killing me on my warrior. Of course, they might have been horrible. Dunno.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH2Qf3dNtAk

These are literally my first fights with a warrior in over a year (played warrior very little in beta). The passive healing gives incredible sustain in small scale fights.

I thought you were making fun of IoJ’s habit of building open field siege even when they outnumber who they are fighting by 2 to 1 or more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wBSRmOWP7o

I actually don’t mind. It gives us some really nice AoE burst targets.

subcrazy.1098:

As for ds1, I agree but might be why im able to live a lil longer cause I use it to make up for my lack of toughness.

I had the same issue when making the switch from condi back to power. I was so used to using DS defensively that I wasn’t making good use of DS 1. If you have DS 1 pierces it is definitely worth using, especially on clumps. You can get some nice 3-6K crits on multiple people (depending on their gear) if you get them while bunched up a bit.

MrFluffy.9307:

Also by superior tactics I’m referring to the fact that IoJ has been playing to its strengths, as in the PvD you guys cry so much about lol.

Alternate version: When it comes to fighting nobody, IoJ is the best around and don’t you forget it.

Aeneasx.1589:

Is there some kind of rule on IOJ that you HAVE to run from EVERY fight? Even if it’s you guys with more numbers?

I don’t get it.

Probably didn’t have enough supplies to build siege. Spreadshot is pretty kitten, you know.

ShockStun.7453:

Oozo.7856:

Can we be friends?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH2Qf3dNtAk

So how do you like the warrior class?

Well, can only comment on conditions/healing since that is all I’ve done. Some of us were curious after watching Logi’s video. We went to the Mists and found that we could pretty much just facetank the forest NPCs without ever having played the class or build before. My build is a bit more offensive in nature than Logi’s but it’s the same basic concept.

IMO, the passive healing in this build is perhaps too good (read OP). That’s pretty clear when fighting power damage classes 1v1 or 1v2. It seems more balanced in a group fight since 3+ people focusing on you can outdamage the passive healing, but it’s still pretty kitten good.

Honestly, some of the people in the movie aren’t really bad. It’s just that their build can’t beat mine (no matter how good they play or how bad I play). On the flipside a good condition necro could post a movie destroying me.

Most importantly though, is that it is fun to play. It’s nice having a strong melee and a strong ranged option.

Can we be friends?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH2Qf3dNtAk

Markus.7918:

Show me the critters, when there are none……genius

I kind of make it a point to know where my escape routes are in WvW and that means knowing which direction to run to find mobs. Learn the map. Yes, there will be times when there is nothing around to port to, but that is the exception not the rule in WvW.

^ true genius

You aren’t playing your guardian right if you don’t see Renewed Focus as an extremely valuable ability. Like most things in this game, abilities compliment each other and have secondary benefits.

Check the evasion, block, and invulnerability spam at the start of the movie below. That is a lot of damage, CC. and cooldowns that get blown on me and not the other three people with me. Also, depending on builds there are other benefits. Popping my virtues before RF gives my group heals and buffs and puts out a lot of retaliation damage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu1FjONXhnw

obastable.5231:

[Mend] did what so many others would LOVE to do, and what many others HAVE done in the past.

everyone isn’t obligated to participate in your arbitrary rules, so losing your kitten when they don’t is … well … silly.

I don’t participate in fight clubs because 1v1s in this game are kind of a joke when it comes to balance and I have a general dislike for prearranged duels. On the other hand, I don’t intentionally interfere with them either. What’s the point?

There is a difference between playing ‘red is dead’ and intentionally trolling.

[Mend] is well within their rights to zerg a fight club and suck in the open field if they want to.

[Mend] really isn’t the type of guild you want to give props to. They broke and ran in a 5v8. Didn’t even try to put up a fight as their slower members got killed as the rest ran away. Got destroyed in a 5v5. They do come after you and fight when they are part of a 15+v6 though (bonus points for getting on cannons because, you know… 15v6 is hard). Still didn’t win that one either though.

/shrug

The problem with condition necros was not damage. It never was. I have no idea why they buffed damage. The problem is sustain and a lack of anti-focus abilities.

Yes, a necro can take some punishement with DS and plague form but once those are gone the necro is a sitting duck which is why good players will prioritize a necro and stick on them. All you have to do is eat through the life force and the plague form to get to the chewy center. Now, I have not played my necro since they have made some improvements to DS but necro survivability is linked to a resource that needs to be regenerated (not easy to do when you are getting focused) while other classes have their survivability linked to cooldowns.

Necros have the worst sustain in the game, which is odd considering that they are meant to be the masters of attrition. Want to see a real master of attrition? Check out my triple med Guardian. It makes the necro look like a joke when it comes to sustain.

The defense mechanics of a necro with respect to focused damage is vastly inferior to things like channeled blocks and invulns which block ALL of the incoming damage. It doesn’t matter how many are hitting you or how hard they are hitting you. Check to see how long your lifeforce lasts when getting focused by 5+ players. There is no vigor access on the necro so far less dodging. Again, compare this to my guardian and it is a flat out joke.

Bottom line: Tone down necro damage and increase their anti-focus capability and sustain.

Yes, let’s not use critters to escape zergs (because it’s a gimmick or something) and then complain that we have no escape options.

You probably meant to have Spiteful Talisman and not Signet Mastery in your build link.

gotem.5284:

Jscull.2514:

Here’s a sneak peak at the NOTHING we do as a guild. It was a fun week Mon / Tues night and now its dead because the horde of HoD decides to leave LA when were winning by =148958293059.

Special Thanks to Stickkid for running as our 5th.

PS: watch it in 1080p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsNovHtWT9c

Turned off after it said double necro.

Nothing wrong with some double power necro action. :P

Nice movie.

Etna.1634:

Best matchup thread in months. Keep it up!

And here I thought the VS/BS fued in the SF/ET thread was going to be the clear winner this week, then BP/NSP comes out of nowhere!

Dovgan.8605:

Oozo.7856:

Using stealth to reset is pretty much the same thing as using high mobility to reset. :P

Ha touche! I have to use what the ANet overlords gave me, especially when I’m outnumbered.

Yeah, I understand. Guardians use healing, thieves use stealth, rangers and warriors use mobility in order to sustain. It’s either that or die unless you are running with the zerg. It can make for some really boring stalemate fights though when people with these builds run across each other. ;(

Using stealth to reset is pretty much the same thing as using high mobility to reset. :P

Nobody was tagging along with us. White swords at the south camp tend to draw people in to see what is going on. :P

Dovgan.8605:

Yes, I do make sure I’m close enough to water to avoid a stake. Was a fun fight though. We’ll have to do it again! And yes the focus from the thief is what got me downed.

Yeah, there were a couple of other DR there. They were not with us though, just to clear up any confusion.

edit: There was a fourth player, an untagged ranger. You probably didn’t notice them since they were much farther north than where you were doing most of the fighting.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Dovgan.8605:

Oozo.7856:

In this thread a guy who can’t count gives advice to other people.

[AD] we ran into you guys a couple days ago. Stability/mobility classes sorta ruin your whole guardian group approach. The thief eventually got my girlfriends ranger down, then again she just goes in to WvW to hang out with guildies, she’s not the best PvPer, but she has fun. Maybe you guys remember that extremely long, going nowhere 5ish on 3 we had going at S camp. Evade/bunker ranger and D/D ele. It was a shame our necro guildie wasn’t on though, would have been far more interesting.

Now I don’t run with AD much anymore due to time zone differences but I’m pretty sure there’s no specific “approach” they have towards things. Whatever people are online run whatever they want.

I find it interesting that you would have to flaunt your passive agressive behavior all over this forum thread that was, up until very recently, quite harmonic.

Correct.

We have no “approach.” We had three people out before anyone else. Those three happened to be guardians. One of those guardians was being played by someone who had just craft leveled it from 1 to 80 earlier that day just to play something different. Any other DR in the area were not with us.

Guardian is great for people who stand and fight, not so great for classes built for running away like some rangers and warriors. The rangers got downed but of course made sure they were close enough to water to get downed in the water. We were never in any threat of being downed ourselves although I did get low once when they were 3v1ing me for a few while the other two guardians were trying to kill another ranger who got downed… in the water, of course.

lunyboy.8672:

Oozo.7856:

In this thread a guy who can’t count gives advice to other people.

OHHHHHhhh…. you are one of those BSty people.

You killed me like 40 times yesterday… you gonna be a fight club? I would like to try you 1 at a time.

I’m not good enough to be in BSty, but they let me ride their coattails every once in awhile. I think some of them do fight clubs or at least Crank does.

The counting comment wasn’t directed at you, BTW.

NSP is the reason why you can set enemies to team colors. It has nothing to do with system performance.

In this thread a guy who can’t count gives advice to other people.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Thorson.9218:

Oozo.7856:

Thorson.9218:

lunyboy.8672:

I was at briar in HoD BL last night, and there were around 30 AR trying to take it. So why on earth would you commit more people than you have online at any given time to one small south tower?

And if they were all there, who was fighting us off in EB?

PS. I have screens of it.

Post ‘em up. I haven’t seen 30 AR on the same map in months. I’ll use it as my desktop background to remind myself that there’s hope that we’re growing again.

As to why would we commit so many to one tower? That would assume there was any planning involved. My guess is it was a bunch of bodies from a lot of different guilds and they just happened to be in the same place at the same time. Once I see your screenie I can check the guild tags and know for sure.

You have to realize we have no large guilds any more. ALS was the biggest and they left, and now it sounds like they imploded and have broken up over on DB. Too bad as there were some good comms in ALS, but that’s their problem. They left us with our current problem of ultra low WvW population (once they left and we started to fall, the other large’ish guilds jumped ship too), so that’s what we’re focused on fixing through a new web site, recruiting in PvE zones, etc. It will take a while, but eventually we’ll get the numbers back.

All servers have zergs. The only question is how many. :P

I count maybe 15-20 players. There are lots of pets/minions/etc in there. And as I thought, there are lots of different guild tags in that mess, so it was just a mob.

Now if we could just get 2-3x that number on a map, we’d actually be able to push back on the zergs we face. Someday……

Exactly, Gab. What is it with this game where people are so delusional when it comes to numbers. Even when a video or screenshot is put right in their face?

Anyway, AR is horribly outnumbered. Again, the question is how many of these “zergs” could AR put on the field at once. Not many.

Thorson.9218:

Oozo.7856:

Thorson.9218:

lunyboy.8672:

I was at briar in HoD BL last night, and there were around 30 AR trying to take it. So why on earth would you commit more people than you have online at any given time to one small south tower?

And if they were all there, who was fighting us off in EB?

PS. I have screens of it.

Post ‘em up. I haven’t seen 30 AR on the same map in months. I’ll use it as my desktop background to remind myself that there’s hope that we’re growing again.

As to why would we commit so many to one tower? That would assume there was any planning involved. My guess is it was a bunch of bodies from a lot of different guilds and they just happened to be in the same place at the same time. Once I see your screenie I can check the guild tags and know for sure.

You have to realize we have no large guilds any more. ALS was the biggest and they left, and now it sounds like they imploded and have broken up over on DB. Too bad as there were some good comms in ALS, but that’s their problem. They left us with our current problem of ultra low WvW population (once they left and we started to fall, the other large’ish guilds jumped ship too), so that’s what we’re focused on fixing through a new web site, recruiting in PvE zones, etc. It will take a while, but eventually we’ll get the numbers back.

All servers have zergs. The only question is how many. :P

I count maybe 15-20 players. There are lots of pets/minions/etc in there. And as I thought, there are lots of different guild tags in that mess, so it was just a mob.

Now if we could just get 2-3x that number on a map, we’d actually be able to push back on the zergs we face. Someday……

Dude, there are around 10 players to the left of the mass blob at the door alone. L2Count? That is around 25 players (being generous). And, that doesn’t count the ones to the left of the screen that were chasing a couple of DR.

Thorson.9218:

lunyboy.8672:

I was at briar in HoD BL last night, and there were around 30 AR trying to take it. So why on earth would you commit more people than you have online at any given time to one small south tower?

And if they were all there, who was fighting us off in EB?

PS. I have screens of it.

Post ‘em up. I haven’t seen 30 AR on the same map in months. I’ll use it as my desktop background to remind myself that there’s hope that we’re growing again.

As to why would we commit so many to one tower? That would assume there was any planning involved. My guess is it was a bunch of bodies from a lot of different guilds and they just happened to be in the same place at the same time. Once I see your screenie I can check the guild tags and know for sure.

You have to realize we have no large guilds any more. ALS was the biggest and they left, and now it sounds like they imploded and have broken up over on DB. Too bad as there were some good comms in ALS, but that’s their problem. They left us with our current problem of ultra low WvW population (once they left and we started to fall, the other large’ish guilds jumped ship too), so that’s what we’re focused on fixing through a new web site, recruiting in PvE zones, etc. It will take a while, but eventually we’ll get the numbers back.

All servers have zergs. The only question is how many. :P

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

I’d like to see some videos of BS/VS fights.
Make that happen… for science.

Screw that. I want to see some 15v60s.

SeeBeyond.1486:

P.S. As the comment about running into a 50-60 man zerg all running 1v1 builds. That has already happened before, and it was found to be easier for us actually. The amount of AOE (both offensive and defensive) a 1v1 build puts out will be less then what we usually face.

60 people running “1v1” builds is actually easier than 10 people running “1v1” builds because, um… AoE. Got it!