Guild Wars 2

The problem with the perplexity runes is that they just don’t make a build stronger they almost entirely define what the build is capable of. They are ridiculously OP.

Okay, I think I get it. You had even crazier numbers than them but they managed to beat you anyway through superior play.

Shout outs should be given for good play, not for fielding crazy numbers.

arKRazor.8654:

Dream In A Dream.7213:

I am not sure if someone will notice, but Gab is in AD which is now playing on EB. Crazy C is OBS, which is on Crystal Desert.
I have not seen your guild yet, but I am giving you props for whatever you do in wvw.
Any guild that stayed on AR and is giving both us and FC a good fight deserves praise.
Please ignore people who transferred to other servers and are here to just stir drama.

This match has been great so far. Lots of fun.

Lion of The Wind
RgTg

I’m reasonably certain Gab stayed. Feel free to quote and correct, though.

Gab is in several guilds and has accounts on multiple servers (including Ebay), so he doesn’t need to move.

I only ran across TFH once. My guess is because they stay mainly in EB while we avoid it. They died to us when they had roughly a 3 to 2 man advantage on the east side of SM.

And, for those DR defending TFH note that TFH insulted their own server. There are better players on AR than them.

Yep, these things will turn necros into Gods. The health will be insane in plague form and it synergizes with DS. Don’t really need healing power on a necro. Not sure if the devs think things out at all. But what do I care?

I have an 80 necro.

Well, I’ve played both extensively. ATM, my med/healing guardian and healing signet warrior have about the same sustainability but the warrior has far greater killing power. That, along with having far greater mobility, makes the warrior better for solo roaming.

It’s not that the guardian is bad. It’s just the case that less people are going to get away from you and the people you do kill will be dying much faster.

Yeah, ET is kind of strange. They have their small man roaming groups, but everyone else on the server seems to all go to the same zone and stick in the same zerg.

Pretty much the people that left did so because they weren’t finding enough fights on a regular basis, not because DR was going down in rankings. AD moved to DR when it was at the bottom in T8. We moved from T2 to avoid the zergs and we had a great time in T8 as there were almost always people to fight the second you left your waypoint.

Over the past few months things have changed in the lower tiers. We’ve found ourselves quite often moving from BL to BL not finding any good fights. And, I’m not going all PAXA on you here, because there are a lot of great fighters in the lower tiers. This is just a case of spending too many nights roaming for hours not finding the types of fights we are looking for or not finding anyone at all.

Too many servers in the lower tiers go to a BL in one big zerg. They take everything and then leave the zone completely. So, often times all we find are one or two players trying to get to the zerg or doing vistas or scouts who sit in a tower or people who are only willing to fight right outside their tower door (even when they have even numbers or better).

The good open field even number fights are just too far in between to justify playing in the lower tiers at the moment. I dislike the zerginess of where we moved to at times, but at least we are pretty much guaranteed to get some action almost immediately after we leave a waypoint.

I just think the lower tiers are dying due to population and playstyle issues.

Stealth and then that sprint will cover a ridiculous amount of ground. You sprint longer and farther if you keep holding the ability down.

When he disappears at the end he might have gone out of combat for a waypoint. Since it covers so much ground you will get OOC pretty quickly after using the sprint.

Chris.4527:

Oozo.7856:

Chris.4527:

If you believe what we [one] guys do is all spam aoe buttons, you’re sadly mistaken.

Tons of things go behind large group combat, and that right there is more or less considered small group, we had probably about 10 of our guild running over NSP there.

Just to prove your concept wrong, I will even offer to pay for your transfer so you can experience it first hand. I love when people join us and are like “well kitten, thats how its done”.

If you want to hide your action bar, you will need to blur out the entire bottom half of your screen. Since you mouseclick abilities the tooltips show what you are using which totally defeats the purpose of blurring out your action bar.

Also, clicking some of your weaponskills and CLICKING TO ENTER/EXIT DEATHSHROUD. Please teach us all more about how it’s done.

Get your head out of your tail bro, I was hoping the account name Chris.4527 here, and the Chris character name in game would make sense to people. I am not the recorder, but there is no reason to insult other players because they play differently than you.

The recorders nerd level is not as high as yours, or mine, its okay.

What difference does that make? You presented the movie as something which is good, which is proof that you are bad.

This isn’t a fight. This is you running away repeatedly to reset the fight and keep trying until you get lucky. Thieves do the same thing. I’m still up in the air about which is more pathetic. A thief constantly resetting fights or a warrior built for running away. Maybe they are just both equally pathetic.

Chris.4527:

If you believe what we [one] guys do is all spam aoe buttons, you’re sadly mistaken.

Tons of things go behind large group combat, and that right there is more or less considered small group, we had probably about 10 of our guild running over NSP there.

Just to prove your concept wrong, I will even offer to pay for your transfer so you can experience it first hand. I love when people join us and are like “well kitten, thats how its done”.

If you want to hide your action bar, you will need to blur out the entire bottom half of your screen. Since you mouseclick abilities the tooltips show what you are using which totally defeats the purpose of blurring out your action bar.

Also, clicking some of your weaponskills and CLICKING TO ENTER/EXIT DEATHSHROUD. Please teach us all more about how it’s done.

Jeknar.6184:

DR talk a lot about IoJ needing larger numbers to take’em on, but we (4 people) took the camp from the DR that was capping (about 6 or 7 guys), and held it for the whole duration of Righteous indignation against a few more (I’d say about 10).

So, what you have to say?

Nothing that hasn’t already been said many times over. Every server has disorganized PuGs who don’t concentrate on PvP or WvW, including DR. All we can say is that when comparing IoJ to the other servers we have played IoJ is generally (look up what that word implies) not as good as the other servers in the open field. Although they are much better now than they were, say, a few months ago.

Another glorious MoW victory!

I agree with the above.

Make the runes such that they improve your confusion damage. Keep the RNG chance to proc confusion and change the 6 bonus to a flat increase in confusion damage. Adjust the percentage for balance.

Classes need to be distinct from each other and one of the things that defined mesmers and engineers was confusion. Now, pretty much every class can rival a mesmer and engineer with respect to confusion. That is not good. Who came up with this?

Xsorus.2507:

People run Bunker Condition Builds because classes like the Thief/Mesmer/Warrior Exist who can instant kill you if you run anything else.

Exactly correct. One is a symptom of the other. It’s another example of how poorly Anet has handled min-maxing and risk versus reward.

Speaking of people getting baited and outsmarted.

As promised, MoWs glorious victory. Heh.

It was actually a good fight until all of the IoJ adds. Too bad some of these guys are such total kittens.

Hukundu.7628:

Oozo.7856:

IoJ should recruit IoM from ET. They got guys that laugh when they win with four times your numbers. Guys that kittenhug towers when faced with even numbers or slightly less their numbers. And they build two superior ballista and two arrowcarts in the open field to deal with 6 people when they have 20.

They’d fit right in!

I was sorry to see this comment, and sorry to see IoM dragged into this mudfest between DR and IoJ. While I’m not in IoM, I can honestly say the way they go about WvW is among the most professional I’ve seen anything done in GW2.

It’s annoying to be in a zone with six people and the only thing running around is some 25 man blob that is doing nothing but flipping camps that a couple of people have capped. How about breaking up the group a little?

This is becoming very common in the lower teirs. You either find one guy trying to make his way out to their one and only zerg or you find the zerg. I don’t think it will be long until those 25 man groups find absolutely nothing to do in their own BL because they are going to be the only people in the zone.

PrincessThunderBalls.9638:

Oozo, if we are such bad players, please duel us then. Stop running around borderlands, filming yourself, killing uplevels and random pugs.

MoW rules.

I don’t think you are all bad players. But, some of you are definitely bad people (which is worse). MoW has lost every even number fight that I’ve been involved in going back to forever. You lost a fight last night at ruins that was a 5v5. You were losing an even number fight tonight, but ended up “winning” when the MoW we had already stomped ran back to the fight along with a bunch of other IoJ to turn it into an 11v4.

I’m not sure if you are just lying or deluding yourselves and quite frankly, I don’t care.

I’ll go ahead and post a movie so everyone can see your glorious victory.

The uplevels in Rally Bots [RBOT] are some badkitten motherkittens, but they aren’t nearly as badkitten as the badkitttens in the Badkittens of Isle of Janthir [BIoJ].

Simonoly.4352:

It appears that on Warriors this rune set is a tad ridiculous due to existence of a trait that already does the same thing. But what about other classes? Any Guardians trying out these runes? I’m sure Ring of Warding/Line of Warding could be used to achieve some nice stacks too.

A guardian friend was getting some 20+ stacks from RoW, LoW, and Sanctuary just messing around.

I don’t think it’s been mentioned as an issue before since most warriors going condition damage wouldn’t drop 20 points in that tree. The deal with the runes is that it gives you the flexibility to min-max the damage. Which is why I don’t think the developers have a firm grasp on min-maxing, in general.

It only becomes truly scary when you hit the upper stacks of 20+ and lets be honest, If you attack while you have 20+ stacks of Confusion on yourself, you kind of deserve to die.

I notice that you used the word “attack.” But, that is not how confusion works and if you do nothing for that long you are going to die anyway. Confusion is a flawed condition in its basic mechanics.

People who use open field siege against a group a third their size deserve to be ridiculed.

Ragnar.4257:

Tsezar.6950:

th probelm with this runes is the duration as well.. i got today 20 stacks confusuin wich last like 15 sec.. 15 sec wehre you cant do anything when you already have low hp

Can’t do anything…… except cleanse the condition.

But only noobs slot condition cleanse right?

Only noobs don’t realize that confusion from the runes will be applied at a much faster rate than condition removers come off of cooldown.

Only noobs don’t realize that good players will force a condition removal before using their interrupts to stack confusion.

Only noobs don’t realize that good players will wait until stability is gone before using their interrupts to stack confusion.

Wow, I can play this game too.

oZii.2864:

Oozo.7856:

A pretty impressive display of stupidity to think that these runes are fine.

How is this even a thing? They are totally over-the-top gamebreaking OP and its bound to an item loadout. Absolutely unforgivable.

I respect your opinion as a very good player Oozo but totally over-the-top gamebreaking OP implies that this one rune makes WvW unplayable for a majority of the people that play WvW. It implies that the rune is so imbalanced that you can’t go out and do what you need to do. It implies that everyone that has this rune on is unbeatable.

It is hyperbole.

The rune doesn’t do any of that. It is very effective in small man/roaming environments and 1v1 duels which do not make up the majority of WvW. The majority of the people that call the rune ridiculously op and other types of buzzwords are probably of that small man/roaming/dueling community.

People don’t even slot this in as a must in GvG’s and that is usually 10 v 10 to 15 v 15 so that means anything under 10 man it has a much larger impact but that goes for alot of things in GW2.

1 necro can be pretty good in 10 v 10 when you start to get to 15 v 15 1 necro doesn’t have much effect as an example.

The small man/roaming community will generally care much more about balance than people who only run in huge groups focused on PPT.

But, calling it merely effective is a huge understatement. It is gamebreaking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsQbe_BPjmk

Now, I have a warrior and I can easily switch my build to the above. But, I won’t. Because I actually do care about balance and I know ridiculous broken crap when I see it.

And here is what I mean by gamebreaking. My confidence in the Anet development team is not very high. I don’t think they understand risk versus reward. I don’t think they understand min-maxing. How is this rune even a thing? I mean, it’s bad on paper. Did they not test it? Did they not think, at all?

This kind of thing quite literally makes me want to quit the game. Not the item itself, but the fact that they let something like this happen. Again.

People like myself. People who actually care about balance will leave this game when a good option becomes available. That is why it is gamebreaking.

A pretty impressive display of stupidity to think that these runes are fine.

How is this even a thing? They are totally over-the-top gamebreaking OP and its bound to an item loadout. Absolutely unforgivable.

Aeneasx.1589:

This game has just become an incredibly frustrating and unrewarding piece of crap, or has it always been like that and I’ve just been blinded by faith.

This game would actually be pretty solid if the developers understood two things.

1. Risk versus reward
2. Min-maxing

Now, you would think that developers of an MMO would understand these things but they have clearly demonstrated that they do not understand these things.

Latest example – runes of perplexity. How is this even a thing? Do they test? Do they even think?

Crimson Magdelana.9024:

Natronix.9827:

and DRs is still as good as last time

They came in third.

Oh wait…

We had our revenge already. Consider this alimony, or child support. Or something else terrible that affects you for more than 17 years. :P

Oozo.7856:

IoJ should recruit IoM from ET. They got guys that laugh when they win with four times your numbers. Guys that kittenhug towers when faced with even numbers or slightly less their numbers. And they build two superior ballista and two arrowcarts in the open field to deal with 6 people when they have 20.

They’d fit right in!

I <3 you Ooz but you know that ain’t our style. Well…most of us. Send em to DH. God knows DH will need the help once Anet fixes that resolution siege nonsense.

Kitten, you just aren’t fun anymore. I was hoping you would say something really mean.

Xom.9264:

Oozo.7856:

Xom.9264:

p.s. Oozo you did the same to BS before camped ballistas and carts at ruins when you had more numbers we attacked with like 6 hoping to get you folks to stop the turtle but you would not leave… perhaps it was not you but it was people with same tag and a char power necro OBS.

Um, no. :P

The ballista might have been you in lichform, same thing. I might of been drunk, but we died so im sure you did something unfair.

Honestly, it wasn’t us. :P

The only time we use open field siege when running as a group is to draw a larger force to us for a terrain or positioning advantage. Drop a build site and some people just go crazy, over extend, etc etc.

The first time I’ve even seen any BS over the past two weeks was yesterday and today, I think. Uneven fights on both sides and no more than two or three BS. I also haven’t played my necro in well over a month. I’ve been playing a norn condition warrior for the past three weeks or so.

Also, OBS is not AD. For some reason, some people on NSP kept posting movies of them killing OBS and directing it at me thinking they were hurting my feelings or something. :P

OBS is their own guild and we do not run together in WvW. However, AD has a few people with the OBS tag because OBS is kind enough to let them do PVE guild missions with them. I’m personally not in OBS since I don’t give a kitten about PvE or guild missions. ;P

Xsorus.2507:

Ended up recording some fights from tonight

First Half of my new video is previous match, second half is fights from tonight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-tG34sEKcg

More epic fail from Anet with respect to confusion. Thieves are particularly susceptible to this since they are almost certain to get interrupted due to their fast attacks and no stability. Five stacks of long lasting confusion on an interrupt is just absolutely stupid.

Xom.9264:

p.s. Oozo you did the same to BS before camped ballistas and carts at ruins when you had more numbers we attacked with like 6 hoping to get you folks to stop the turtle but you would not leave… perhaps it was not you but it was people with same tag and a char power necro OBS.

Um, no. :P

IoJ should recruit IoM from ET. They got guys that laugh when they win with four times your numbers. Guys that kittenhug towers when faced with even numbers or slightly less their numbers. And they build two superior ballista and two arrowcarts in the open field to deal with 6 people when they have 20.

They’d fit right in!

ppt is srs bizness
watch ur back et

What have we learned here today?

Only a thief would kill a class while at the same time calling it OP and UNKILLABLE.

It looks like the OP’s ego was taking too much of a hit for being called a bad player for losing to the “OP and UNKILLABLE” warrior build that he had to post a movie beating the “OP and UNKILLABLE” warrior build just to show everyone that he isn’t bad.

But, don’t worry because the build is still “OP and UNKILLABLE” because a super-skilled thief like the OP shouldn’t be having to put this much effort into killing it.

Heh, people.

Excalibur.9748:

Didn’t watch video but the recurring theme is if you beat a warrior, then “look warrior is not OP you beat him” and if you lose then “L2P noob. adapt.”

If you watched the video, you would see that this guy is complaining about dying to an “unkillable” warrior that he actually had at 10% health.

What a joke.

Good thieves can still be close fights or losses with the Condi/Regen build. Bad thieves get absolutely destroyed by it.

And, there are a lot of bad thieves out there who have been carried by their class.

dank.3680:

^^ Your welcome for making this thread interesting..

Funny how all you gotta to is throw the word bad around a couple times and it gets a thread active. <3

*You’re

I agree with Mayhem in that every server has their average to bad players who are just basically cannon fodder for an organized group. NSP has those players too, believe me.

Both NSP and DH have some pretty strong players and groups, although its harder to find them on DH since they have a larger population. It’s been ages since I fought against SBI but I wasn’t impressed. They were almost exclusively a zerg server with just a few players who stood out individually. But, then again… it can be really hard to find the good players when they are lost in a sea of mediocrity.

Rok.5260:

Was facing a Sword/Shield & Longbow condition Warr 1v1, and he gave me 12 stacks of confusion… I need answers now… want to try this XD

The above, and was this an asura in WvW?

Ostricheggs.3742:

Oozo.7856:

Ostricheggs.3742:

Also:

http://www.twitch.tv/ostricheggs/c/2760126

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKQJYTeHZIo

Maybe it’s tPvP or something but clumping up to revive a guy in WvW will get you a /laugh and a loss.

I don’t understand the need to post a clip showing a loss and ridiculing the other side for it because we all win some and lose some. There was nothing terribly embarrassing about the loss Baest took there. You call it a zerg but it looked like a relatively even number fight to me.

And Yarr does have good players.

I’m not a part of the random group you just posted there. I’m never part of an organized group in WvW because let’s be honest, this entire thing is a huge joke.

The Champion Legionnaire Ranger from Jock is definitely there. He is in your group in the movie you posted. I guess the Asura engineer with the black skin and light colored afro isn’t you. He’s just someone that looks almost exactly like you running with the same guy that’s grouped with you in your movie?

Anyway, not a bad idea running in groups with a bunch of different tags. That way when you lose you can say you were disorganized but when you win you can post movies and ridicule people. Best of both worlds, really.

Obscure One.4357:

In the end the best party of 5 for roaming includes yourself and 4 others who have strong synergy, coordination, and the skill to pull it off consistently. Class composition is not relevant if you all know how to use a given tactic optimally.

Yep, most important thing are the people who are playing but class/build composition does come into play with two evenly (wrt skill) matched groups.

Some fights with [Ohai] helping us out.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Also:

http://www.twitch.tv/ostricheggs/c/2760126

lol

Maybe it’s tPvP or something but clumping up to revive a guy in WvW will get you a /laugh and a loss.

I don’t understand the need to post a clip showing a loss and ridiculing the other side for it because we all win some and lose some. There was nothing terribly embarrassing about the loss Baest took there. You call it a zerg but it looked like a relatively even number fight to me.

And Yarr does have good players.

Solstice.1097:

Actually Oozo I don’t think that was hacking as I’ve seen it at least twice before cause by lag. There is server lag, then there is player lag (and when there’s both it gets really strange). When the player is lagging but not the server, the player can run around normally on their map, but it’s not sending the info to the server so their “server” character gets behind their “game” character, then when the connection catches up it looks like its “teleporting” them to where they really should be had they not lagged.

A couple months ago my ISP was having some major lag issues and my guildie told me he could see me warping around exactly like what I saw on those videos you shared.

Another time after that we had a small group running supply and one player said he was lagging and asked if anyone else was. We said nope just you, and we noticed his character had stopped running. A few seconds later his toon started “warping” like that and caught up with us. Exactly like what you showed.

I’m its frustrating to fight someone with that going on – but it’s just as frustrating on the other end. On the lagger’s screen when that happens, everyone stops moving and attacking and you can run around but no idea what’s actually going on, until the lag catches up and everything EXCEPT you moves 5x speed real fast and catches up.

Yes, I know lag can do strange things. What concerns me is that the guy with the bow was keeping up with a GS/Sword mobility warrior and was sticking on his kitten . If everyone stops moving while you are lagging how was he able to stick on the mobility warrior’s kitten while using a bow? If he was lagging and nobody else was moving he wouldn’t know where the warrior was running to chase him, yes?

The thing is, there is a hack that ports you around like this as well. I’ve seen the video of it being used. If someone is lagging and is gaining ground faster than they would just by normal running I get suspicious.

That said, this game is horrible for desyncing and lag so nothing definitive.

Deamhan.9538:

Dear NSP and SBI,

We were hoping to actually have some competition. You two really needed to form an alliance. It seems to be the only way for us to be challenged.

Sincerely,
Darkhaven

I’m really new to the internet meme thing. Am I doing this right?

Then, of course, there are the cases when the people really are doing questionable things. What needs to stop are accusations of hacking with no proof to back it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aM1wuqgzCk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CNsjBQMRG0

It’s pretty good at stopping enemy revives since it knocks the downed player away. It doesn’t matter if the revivers have stability or not. It interrupts the revive by knocking the downed player away who usually won’t have stability.

Stomp, sword 2 leap to body, stability, spike is a pretty common combo that typically works. Good for stopping stealth revives and stomps as well since thieves usually won’t have stability

Also, it’s a blast finisher.