Guild Wars 2

Gab Superstar.4059:

Kalkz.5297:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Some interesting fighting tonight, mostly zergs and small-mans running the typical boring D/D eles, thieves, confusion mesmers etc but what can you expect from reset night? AD/NoQQ/BSty played well for most of the night and I hope we could offer you guys some level of challenge when we weren’t zerged down by 40+ people.

Straegen.2938:

Feeling kinda flattered having both Ebay and DR hitting us at the same time non-stop. Tough night of playing with nothing but “zergs” rolling in from both sides. Less fun than last week since there are a lot fewer skirmish matches at least in the Blue area of EB and no three way battles for SM. Hopefully EBay and DR realize they can attack each other at some point.

SoCo swapped maps after an hour or so, which left the 15 people from AD/NoQQ/BSty. If that qualifies as a zerg or getting “hit hard” then I don’t know what. EB has had insane amounts of people tonight, more similar to what we saw the last time we faced them when we would consistently see 650+ potential for them. They will get their fair weathers to come on, and yours will leave.

I seriously hope Kalkz has a huge amount of rams stashed away, or you will have more trouble winning this week.

Dont get too kitteny, the match has just started

I don’t know man, EB has accumulated a lead almost as big as the one you won with last week, and that’s from only one night. If we see the same thing happen tonight there is no way you are going to win this match up.

DR moving down for sure though, which is awesome. Too long have we been stuck in a tier we don’t belong in after the departure of our biggest guilds.

Yup, although my main concern is just killing it would be nice to be in a competitive matchup again. I really find it humorous when other servers complain about being double-teamed and outnumbered given my experience with the game for the past month and a half.

Straegen.2938:

I/we are not embarrassed nor should we be. Despite being less favorable fighting conditions, my guild still killed far more than it got killed.

And which guild is that?

Sword is better when running solo or duo to avoid getting kited is what I said!

i ONLY USE TEH MAEC WHEN FITE GUD PLA- sorry caps – yers HAHAHAHAHA

To the guy near the supply camp with the tree next to it. I was the dude with the sword and shield. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAnoob

Luzano.6983:

Score update lol

Screw it, EB already has double our score. Not logging in this week.

Promoting unskillful play over skillful play is going to come back and bite you in the kitten one day. ;(

ADQQSTY vs teh GOAT YELL 3/8

Anxiety.6143:

In the end, well fought. Was a great WvW this week. We [BP] had a lot to show seeing we came up from a lower tier, and I think that we’ve proved our point, will be the same match-up this upcoming week. Should be quite close seeing we’ve learned this and that about the other servers.

I do, however, want to know…
…[Sekz] why? You couldn’t beat us on NSP, to your defense those NSP was only [Sekz] mainly, but still, your ultimate goal is to troll BP? Why the swap? Did you think you would finally get the glory of reining over BP?

My hats off to ECHO of Ebay. Killer group.

Looking forward to next weeks match-up, raise hell, no mercy.

They transfered to Ebay during last week’s matchup not this one. o0

And, I’m pretty sure groups like [Sekz] and [ECHO] don’t give a kitten about who actually wins these matchups since who wins is not based upon who has the better players overall.

The timer should have an element of randomness to it and it should be hidden to the players so the timer can’t be abused and exploited. Let’s start making WvW more about PvP.

Stop being reasonable. I just got back from the store with a megapack of Orville Redenbacher’s popcorn.

The strongest downstate 2s are the ones that can’t be countered by stability, block, blind, and invuln. To argue otherwise is very silly.

Might be a lack of motivation. What would be the reward for EBay winning this tier? There really isn’t much to look forward to moving up a tier from this point on unless you are on a stacked server going all the way up to T2 or T1.

I’ve been saying for awhile that several of the servers below us (DR) are stronger than us since our mass exodus but there were tier-locked in close matches. I bet AR is stronger than DR right now as well. I’m not surprised at all by BP beating DR, although I am surprised at the differential with EBay since I thought they had better coverage.

Obviously intentional. It’s either a troll on your own server or someone from another server using a second account.

Dinas Dragonbane.2978:

Fun stuff….Oozo I think I saw you! Saluted twice at least, I’m sure you understood the whole no mercy thing, we had places to be :P

In case anyone is curious there is some history between some of WAR’s players and myself from Warhammer Online. Jalis is in the first fight of this movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J211vZiYTPE

Gorefiend.9675:

Oozo.7856:

Whoah, whoah. :P

I never complained about EB in our forum matchups because I like their style on the forums and on the field. As far as [GH], I defended them when they were getting trakittenalked in another matchup thread.

I don’t typically complain about portal bombs. We do that from time to time ourselves, we typically handle them quite well, and it’s good to have things that keep you on your toes.

Also, IMO, we have to be careful not to blame the players for some bad game mechanics that they have no control over. We get culled on, but we cull on other people to. When we run with 15, some times the AoE cap benefits us (although we never intentionally pile up on each other to abuse it as is done in the higher tiers).

I like EB as a whole since they fight outside the walls A LOT. Nothing against BP either. Some people from SBI were not honest about numbers or the fights we had with them and dishonesty really bugs the crap out of me. I don’t anticipate that happening here.

It is always fun going against the ADQQSTY group. You guys are one of the few groups I have to keep an eye out for flanking in not only this tier, but any tier we have fought in.

For the portal bomb in question, here is my view on the situation as I was the one commanding. Once my scouts reported that you were building ballistas and arrow carts back of the camp, I assumed (correctly I believe) that they were there to fall back to once the camp capture failed. So I put taking out that siege as the first priority as I did not want to have a prolonged fight in lowlands. So I immediately organized a portal bomb on top of one of the ballista for the sole purpose of killing them. Reason why I preferred it on top is because most damage happens the moment we take the portal. That means it would give us the highest chance for the siege to die as well as whoever was manning it. Thankfully, your second ballista was in extremely close proximity to the first so killing/knocking the user off that one happened extremely quickly.

Numbers wise, we only used one portal to hit the ballista. So at most we had 20 people go through. How many we had remaining in the camp I do not know. I was not really paying attention to that. I also know that when we portal bombed, I caught a glimpse of your group entering the camp meaning the siege had minimal protection.

It turned out that we managed to wipe you, but realize that wiping you was not the goal of the portal bomb. Had your group been on the siege when we bombed we instead would have been wiped. That outcome is fine by me so long as we were able to kill the siege.

That is the biggest difference between our two groups. You guys set out to kill as many people with as few casualties as possible. We set out to accomplish our goal using whatever means possible. Sometimes those means include throwing bodies at something to whittle it down. That does mean we will incur many deaths, but as long as we either cap, retain, or kill whatever we were going after, it would be worth it.

Again, I wasn’t there but I suspect that the arrow carts and ballista weren’t there to fall back to in case of a camp failure but instead were probably set there intentionally as a trap where the plan was to hit the fringe of your camp and draw some of your forces back into a killzone and then move in and clear the camp of whoever was left.

Good job on scouting that out and avoiding the trap. Portal bombing the siege location was a solid tactical counter. Well done!

Sage.5843:

Hello Emmy Bays!

Charrcat very happy to see you.

Charrcat know Dindin* and Oozeman** yipe complain and make bad word about cullings and AOE things and zerg mentalities*** and lawn mowers**** in all the WuvW thread. Spread word of badness game mechanic.

Whoah, whoah. :P

I never complained about EB in our forum matchups because I like their style on the forums and on the field. As far as [GH], I defended them when they were getting trakittenalked in another matchup thread.

I don’t typically complain about portal bombs. We do that from time to time ourselves, we typically handle them quite well, and it’s good to have things that keep you on your toes.

Also, IMO, we have to be careful not to blame the players for some bad game mechanics that they have no control over. We get culled on, but we cull on other people to. When we run with 15, some times the AoE cap benefits us (although we never intentionally pile up on each other to abuse it as is done in the higher tiers).

I like EB as a whole since they fight outside the walls A LOT. Nothing against BP either. Some people from SBI were not honest about numbers or the fights we had with them and dishonesty really bugs the crap out of me. I don’t anticipate that happening here.

Archer.1658:

Not really sure why ADQQSTY are complaining about numbers/portal bombs they were running 15-20 people at their peak, that should have been plenty right?

When I first got on at reset, we were just running with 5 and got steamrolled by three different full guild groups from BP running 15-20 several times. Sorry to the outnumbered people that got hit with our larger numbers later at night but it did let us get some good fights in against some pretty sizeable forces.

Reset nights with new servers are always a big mess. I’m sure things will settle down more as the week goes on.

The counter to a portal is AoE, but a large enough clump coming through a portal is somewhat protected from that very AoE since the AoE damage is spread out and mitigated amongst those coming in through the portal. Basically the same issue with zergballs.

The mechanics are bad but probably here to stay.

Dark Aidget.3879:

So far so good?

I’ve suspected for awhile that both BP and AR were stronger servers than DR now due to population and coverage but were tier-locked because of their close matches.

I guess we will know for sure where DR really belongs by how things go this week and how IoJ does below us.

Dynnen.6405:

Teldec V.6203:

Dynnen.6405:

First time into that camp we rushed in, and payed for it. Next two times the defenders were outmaneuvered, however we couldn’t put out enough damage against the zerg, while they could put out plenty.

….. MOAR BRAINZ….

5 of us watched you “outmanevere” us, which consisted of simply running round the back of the camp from the water, all the way in. We called for back up then wiped you guys again.

One of you AD guys must have been recording your attempts at taking the lowlands, post it up.

Which time are you talking about? Considering each time we pushed into the camp we massacred the 5-10 players at the camp as well as the fully upgraded guards. I guess you’re right making fun of our movements, we did come in from the northwest once, and northeast twice. Also attacking the camp with a ton of ‘campers’ right next to their respawn was a miscalculation. I see what you mean there smalls, touche’. I’m not sure Oozo was with us for any of that mess, but if he did I’ll see if he can post the raw footage. He does actually post videos of us getting beat.

I wasn’t there. Not sure what all the bad blood is with GH. Got along fine with them last matchup.

Dinas Dragonbane.2978:

Fun stuff….Oozo I think I saw you! Saluted twice at least, I’m sure you understood the whole no mercy thing, we had places to be :P

NP, got run over twice by your group IIRC.

DoggyPaddler.3586:

Some roaming from BSW. Berm

http://youtu.be/Ak9XmF5z3ME

Excellent. I love footage like this regardless of what server it is coming from.

A movie with commentary. Defending garrison from a heavy assault by SBI outside of the walls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7z4IAu-Mz4

Krash, you have to realize that the movies I post aren’t speaking for all of DR or speaking against all of SBI. These are just some of the fights that we’ve had. We are almost always outnumbered since we avoid the larger DR forces when we can. I’m sure that SBI has won some good fights against superior numbers but we weren’t there because that’s exactly the type of thing we avoid (being on the side that has a numbers advantage) when we can.

Apologies to any soloers or super small groups we rolled over. It means nothing. Victories won with a significant numbers advantage are meaningless to us.

TLDR: I can’t fraps stuff I can’t see because I’m not there when it happens.

Dynnen.6405:

MosesZD.7428:

To the DR Forum Warriors:

Has it ever occurred to you that you lose because you make fundamental mistakes? Take the simultaneous garrison assaults last night (DR & SBI).

30 of you were on SBI trying to take our garrison with a golem rush while 30 of us were on DR trying to take yours using rams. We had nobody defending garrison but a lookout. YOU had at least 20, mostly AoE specialists (and of that, a LOT of longbow rangers), defending your keep.

When we heard you were trying to take ours, HALF of us went back and wiped you guys right as you broke through the inner gate while the other half remained to keep the pressure on while having inferior numbers. *In our defense of our Garrison, besides being out-numbered, we had no siege, no time to prepare as we barely, within seconds of your busing the inner gate down, made it into the inner keep way point. *

Despite being out-numbered by our choice, we, true to our expectations, wiped you. While out manned. The floor was red with DR bodies and I got somewhere around 10 bags. Your zerg never made it to the Lord’s room, dying in the supply courtyard.

Let’s compare that to your garrison defense.

During our assault on your garrison it took us 45-minutes to burn down your seige that you spent 1700 supply MOST OF WHICH YOU WASTED ON BUILDING MORE SIEGE THAT WE KEPT DESTROYING.

Not that it was ‘easy.’ You repeatedly, with your massive AoE knocked our squishy guys down so the heavies had to keep getting them up. And getting them up was a chore because you had multiple catapults and mortars you’d pound us with. But we did it, despite the ground being red with AoE circles and no place to dodge.

Beyond that, you must have had close to a dozen arrow carts in and around the Lord’s Room where we couldn’t take it down from the inner keep. When we broke in, with you having PLENTY OF TIME TO BRING IN REINFORCEMENTS from your SBI wipe, GIVING YOU YET ANOTHER NUMBERS ADVANTAGE, plus all those arrow carts, we still wiped you. And while we were wiping you, you respawned at Citadel, hit the just opened waypoint at Garrison and rushed in again. Where we kept wiping you, despite the constant stream of reinforcements.

So, even with all the siege, and having greater numbers AND the tactical advantage of the citadel-short-run-back and your own waypoint, you lost.

You had us out-manned on SBI. You, in the end, had us out-manned and with multiple tactical advantages on DR. And yet you lost. Twice. With more people (in total) than us in both fights.

So, I say, look to yourselves. Stop pointing fingers. Stop acting like it’s ‘superior SBI numbers.’ It’s not numbers. It’s how you play the game.

Ever consider most of the people you consider ‘forum warriors’ are people running in small man groups zerg stomping and hardly ever entering a keep/tower? Ohh I guess u are talking about the people NOT really posting on the forums. Well hopefully they read these.

But seriously +1 for your severe under-analysis of what people are posting, strong work there smalls.

I’ll be posting our “outside-the-wall” 10v40 defense of Garrison from a few days ago here some time today.

Well, when you first got there you would have fought our group of 7 with a couple of PUGs in the open field at ruins with at least 12. Just kind of strange getting referred to as part of a large force in that situation. You are referring to something else I guess.

Maladon.5760:

Rising Dusk.2408:

Oozo.7856:

I’m guessing you aren’t the Charr warrior commander from [VZ] that was in IoJ BL last night.

I am; why do you ask?

I’m assuming there’s a thinly veiled insult in the making

Rising Dusk.2408:

Last night I led the EB force for some good times, and before I left with my group to go to IoJ’s BL, we had painted the whole of EB green. While at IoJ’s BL, we encountered a large group of DR which had no uplevels and all of which played together exceedingly well.

I’m guessing you aren’t the Charr warrior commander from [VZ] that was in IoJ BL last night.

DoggyPaddler.3586:

You seeing alot of something during certain hours doesnt make it true for the whole server… I have had a few good fights against you guys (AD, BTSY, NOQQ) We have plenty of roaming parties around and for you to say thats not the case it just might be during the times you play. Doesn’t make it true of the whole server.

Berm

Yeah, I’ve noticed smaller groups roaming with 10 or less and you can’t help it when you get tag-a-longs in the current enviroment with fairweather players (on both sides) causing an issue.

With SBI, I’d say roughly 15% of our open field fights are against an outnumbered opponent, 15% against relatively equal numbers, and the rest we are outnumbered. Of course, I have bias but that’s my honest impression.

SBI also seems to have some organized groups that run with mixed tags (like us)? I’m just guessing because some of the mixed tag groups we’ve run across seem more organized than a regular mixed tag PuG group.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Much love DR
You guys had our EB keep upgraded to waypoint before your own? O.o

You should remove the timestamps from your screenshots. That way you will only come across as being somewhat of a tool instead of a complete tool.

Catisa.6507:

fixing the scoring is only attempting to put a band-aid on the bigger issue anyway. Anet fouled up by dividing Europe from the rest of the world, we’d have far less gaps if this global game was played on global servers.
Oceanic manages to do just fine with higher pings, EU could have also.

Agreed, and something they can’t fix supposedly.

Honestly, at this point in time they’d just be better off manually matching up servers that have a similar history of population and coverage. The current system has way too mismatches that are effectively tier-locked into place for weeks if not months.

Catisa.6507:

Who are you or anyone to decide what hours are the right hours?

Whats to stop a server from logging out in mass shortly before score update if they are doing poorly to mitigate the dmg being done?

This has nothing to do with what the right hours are. You are intentionally misreading it. It gives points based upon the effort necessary to capture and hold things based on the RELATIVE POPULATION whenever a score update is made.

Your second question was actually covered in the other thread which got locked. You hide the time when an update is going to happen from the players and add an element of randomness as to when the update occurs.

It’s all about rewarding effort. If your server is getting over 600 PPT totals from PvDooring very late at night or early morning during a work day then you do not deserve the same reward as people who actually have to fight to take and hold objectives.

Risk versus reward. It’s like ANET doesn’t even know what that means. It’s like having a special dungeon for special people with no MOBs to fight but gives the same rewards as a dungeon where people have to actually overcome serious challenges to be beat the dungeon.

The system is broken.

Clearly, the off-hours crews should be meaningful, but the current scoring system makes them more important than pretty much anything else.

This is something the developers and moderators don’t understand. They don’t want to penalize off hour people, but by not making any adjustments they are penalizing the on hour people (which is more of their paying playerbase).

Weighing the PPT by relative populations that are on at the time the score is updated is the most logical and balanced approach to this entire mess. The last time this was mentioned the moderator either willfully or innocently misread that as a suggestion to weight PPT by what time it is. It’s not the same thing.

This thread will be locked with the comment that “GW2 is a global game.”

I don’t think the complaint was necessarily about spawn-camping but instead piling on when some people were just looking for some decent fights. I’m thinking it would have been around 3 AM EST by then. No one was looking to go out and take camps or towers. They just wanted some fights and that is where everyone was.

I know that when DR was beating people badly on score due to population and coverage we’d give 1v1s and small scale fights to the enemy players near their spawn from time to time and not pile on. I’m pretty sure that it what he is referring to and not complaining that he couldn’t “get out.”

When we are running, we leave via the side passages 80% of the time anyway to have quick access to supply.

Straegen.2938:

TainoFuerte.8136:

Dual.8953:

Yes. List everything that any class can do with enough skill.

Ah, the “everyone just needs skill” argument. It just so happens that those people in the woods hacking at dolyaks are thieves for lore reasons? It’s not that, for example, a random Necro caught in the middle of nowhere by 2 or 3 guys is completely fubared vs a thief who just stabs a deer and runs away?

Its not a skill argument it is a not every class is supposed to be able to do everything debate. Thieves have a function in the larger WvW arena which is to go behind enemy lines, disrupt and survive. Their skills are built around that concept. They excel at that but they are weak in all other aspects of WvW.

Take guardians as a comparison. They are built primarily as group/siege fighters making everyone around them better. Matching a guardian to a thief 1v1 isn’t a fair comparison as one clearly has extra advantages in that arena. However when building a group to fight ask me which one is better…. I’ll take the one that can drop stacks of might on everyone in the group. Also a well built guardian can manage a thief if not out right beat one if they make a mistake despite being primarily a group class. They won’t be able to catch one mostly like but again that is not their function and every class should not be able to perform the same functions.

I’m pretty sure this is how Anet views balance in WvW. Thieves do offer a lot to a smallish group though. They are the best finishers and revivers in the game. They are very good back line disrupters (as pointed out already). They have ranged and melee flexbility with some nice blast finishers for combo fields and, of course, group stealth is cool.

They are balanced for group play.

They are not balanced on a 1vN scale at all. That should be obvious.

Gravy.7589:

Not all of SBI are like this and if true Kiwi should come on and apologize for this behavior. What you must understand is that the posts from AD last night, during this fight were inflammatory and not needed, so you got a reaction. Not the best reaction but you all are playing a part. Being gracious in victory goes both ways and you all have been far less then gracious in this thread.

I got involved in the BS last night and I am sorry but enough is enough. Its a game and I would rather enjoy it then waste any more time this thread.

If you look at Dynnen’s complaint and my last one it is just targetted to one guild not all of SBI. Creepy should have said that it makes that one guild look bad not all of SBI.

Also, don’t think that last night is the first time this kind of thing has happened. Nobody else from SBI does this kind of thing.

So, why not take the people to task who post 685 PPT screenshots as if it is an accomplishment. They happen to be the same type of people who lose with equal numbers, come back and then lose with double the number, and then come back and win with three times the numbers at which point they spam laugh.

Solving problems with numbers is nothing to be proud about. And, spam laughing us when we finally get overwhelmed after killing you repeatedly makes you look bad, not us.

There is no team in I. I still hold the same opinion.

Maguuma is strong NA primetime but weak overnight/morning IIRC. The best matchup would be EB/CD/SBI, IMO. Too bad that won’t happen.

Gravy.7589:

Though we did wipe you a few times last night with pretty equal numbers and you most definitely were running with more then ten people in SBI BL last night. The mass invis bomb you laid on our group last night in the corn field had far more then 10 people and was nasty, lol. I lagged out so bad from the culling that I was dead before before any skills went off :/

We had 10. There were 8 on the initial hit (along with one PUG) and then two more of us came in late via the bridge (along with another PUG) after the fight was already determined.

We had three mesmers (unusal for us) and you had just pulled the guards so I know it looked like far more than 10 (or so) but it wasn’t. No shame in that wipe, you got flanked and pulled the guards at the same time. Anyone would have been wiped there. I typically delete footage like this but just hadn’t gotten around to cleaning the footage from last night.

These are the numbers we were running with last night. Hovering somewhere between 10-15, closer to 10. All of the fights I was in last night where we got wiped it was to superior numbers.

Cactus.2710:

In my opinion, it is not possible to identify which play style … the AD/BSTY/NoQQ and KoS harassing type of elite roaming groups or the players performing the less glamorous functions in a more scattered manner … contributes more to the server point scores.

I can help with that. The latter contributes more to the point score. A server needs both, but needs more of the latter than the former to be successful IMO.

Krash.9486:

Oozo.7856:

Krash.9486:

I understand , it is the internet, and thinking you could have a mature intelligent and honest exchange about the state of the game and it’s current scoring flaws without some 12 year old troll showing up spouting nonsensical trash talk is just hoping for too much.

Why didn’t your 9 man super group just wipe that zerg like you had been doing all night then? 40+ LOL not even close.. XD

They were probably wiping 20 mans, but then succumbed to 30+. That happens quite frequently on our side of the fight. Especially now that we’ve lost all of our fairweather players while you have gained a lot of your fairweather players.

This reduces the number of “hotspots” which increases your numbers since people are obviously going to go to places where there is a fight. You really have no idea what we are dealing with unless you walk in our shoes. You should probably be thanking us for coming out to fight regardless of the score or the culling and numbers disadvantage we face at times.

We can handle twice our numbers quite well, three times our numbers gets pretty kitten rough.

You honestly don’t think SBI has walked in those shoes x20 already? Try being in T1 with less than the numbers we have now…and T2,T3,T4—-

Been there, done that!

I know you’ve been there. But, I was talking about what was going on specifically in this match. I don’t know what it is like for IoJ. I don’t know what it is like for SBI. You don’t know what it is like for us in this match up.

BTW, I was on Dragonbrand in T2 when it suffered it’s own mass exodus.

Don’t tell Madra I said that. Hell hath no fury like a Madra scorned.

Witness…

TigerDragon.4037:

I want to thank the DR Warrior that was poking around SBI BL north camp yesterday evening for the duel. It’s the first 1v1 I’ve won. I was on a female human mesmer with scepter/focus and greatsword (doing most of my fighting with the latter.) It was a close call on both sides several times, but I finally managed to down you and then out last your Vengeance until you were defeated. PvP is not my forte, but I’m glad we were able to fight, and I salute you for the fun duel.

It was probably Madra. He’s pretty bad.

Bpro.8792:

Oozo.7856:

Krash.9486:

I understand , it is the internet, and thinking you could have a mature intelligent and honest exchange about the state of the game and it’s current scoring flaws without some 12 year old troll showing up spouting nonsensical trash talk is just hoping for too much.

Why didn’t your 9 man super group just wipe that zerg like you had been doing all night then? 40+ LOL not even close.. XD

They were probably wiping 20 mans, but then succumbed to 30+. That happens quite frequently on our side of the fight. Especially now that we’ve lost all of our fairweather players while you have gained a lot of your fairweather players.

This reduces the number of “hotspots” which increases your numbers since people are obviously going to go to places where there is a fight. You really have no idea what we are dealing with unless you walk in our shoes. You should probably be thanking us for coming out to fight regardless of the score or the culling and numbers disadvantage we face at times.

We can handle twice our numbers quite well, three times our numbers gets pretty kitten rough.

Sorry, my fault. I should have stated more clearly, that we were roaming around attacking small zerg sizes of 20 ish players. It honestly, seemed like a 40+ zerg, we were backed up on the hill between the houses with 2 balistas as a final stand, even seeing all those downed players, more just kept charging in! Maybe 40 may have been an over exaggeration, but with culling, it’s very hard to tell apart 30-40.

I was trying to point out that our intention was NOT to take bay and that you guys called in some heavy reinforcements! Didn’t realize you (Krash.9486) would take it the wrong way and get so offended over it.

Yeah, it’s really hard to tell how many are there when it goes over 20-25 with the culling. Sometimes you just have to judge by the pressure and damage you are taking. When you throw clones and pets in there your perception can really get screwed. A lot of this guesswork goes away when culling is removed.

Krash.9486:

I understand , it is the internet, and thinking you could have a mature intelligent and honest exchange about the state of the game and it’s current scoring flaws without some 12 year old troll showing up spouting nonsensical trash talk is just hoping for too much.

Why didn’t your 9 man super group just wipe that zerg like you had been doing all night then? 40+ LOL not even close.. XD

They were probably wiping 20 mans, but then succumbed to 30+. That happens quite frequently on our side of the fight. Especially now that we’ve lost all of our fairweather players while you have gained a lot of your fairweather players.

This reduces the number of “hotspots” which increases your numbers since people are obviously going to go to places where there is a fight. You really have no idea what we are dealing with unless you walk in our shoes. You should probably be thanking us for coming out to fight regardless of the score or the culling and numbers disadvantage we face at times.

We can handle twice our numbers quite well, three times our numbers gets pretty kitten rough.

Dralor.3701:

Please don’t confuse stealth being broken/overpowered with thieves themselves being OP.

It just needs to be fixed in WvW, the class isn’t dominating in spvp.

Correct. The only real problem is the frequency of stealth that is available. Frequency of stealth isn’t an issue in sPvP since you can’t cap points while stealthed.

Wait. Did someone actually say that thief is a high risk class?

ROFL!

Here are a couple of fights against [SBI].

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4zydoKU1_E

These are the types of fights that I love, where you have downed people on both sides. Smaller scale fights mean that the choices you make have more impact. Things are more meaningful since the clutch moves you make or the mistakes you make (I point out a mistake I make in the second fight – a pretty bad one that almost costs us the fight) will have a direct impact on the outcome on the fight.

When I complain about zergs, people don’t understand that I’m not complaining because I die to them. I do, of course, die to zergs but we also kill zergs quite frequently. What I don’t like about them is that they are often boring and repetitive to fight.

They force us to run with 10-15 which is not really the playstyle I personally prefer. However, you need 10-15 people to give you a decent chance against 20-30.

Just hopped in game to verify that is their real guild name. It is. You just have to be careful since tags can be spoofed and people have been known to purposefully troll guilds by doing so.

Report them and try to contact their GL. I don’t think any of them are really active in the community or forums to my knowledge.

There are a few RED who seem to want to PvP. We often have one or two tagging along silently with our roamers at night.