Guild Wars 2

It’s simple math and logic.

“We had 30 people, but they are all dead now. Therefore, they must have had more than 30 people.”

Too Frisky.9165:

Oozo.7856:

Too Frisky.9165:

Having a blast in this matchup. Tier 5 is arguably the best place to be for WvW.

T6 seems to have more balance. IoJ and DR might be evenly matched (hard to tell in a 3 way match). The third server in this bracket has had either a population advantage, coverage advantage, or both.

Population really only affects IoJ and DR outnumbers SBI to be perfectly frank. Coverage advantage? How is that unfair when the point of the game is to maintain coverage?

Timezone coverage. I’m guessing you are thinking of map coverage. If not, I honestly don’t know what to say.

HackerTeivospy.2031:

Rinzler.8072:

Can someone explain to me which skill allows this Borlis Pass ranger from Foxx guild do this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWcS_B6YRW8

he is hacker, he’s posted in this thread in response to my video as if I was the kitten and he was the victim.

your video just makes me lol even more, kid is so bad and so is his guild for standing behind that kitten

Too bad A. Net only bans for snowflakes

Didn’t this guy say he couldn’t do any attacks because of his bug? Looks like his elite works just fine. ;P

Awlbiste.1803:

Gab Superstar.4059:

The difference in coverage and population is staggering between Tier 4 and Tier 5.

This. While SBI may look like we have large numbers to tier 5 (although it seems to me we are pretty matched with DR for numbers) in tiers 1-4 we were vastly outnumbered since the end of free transfers.

Last night (between 6pm and 1am eastern, when I was playing) we had some amazing fights on the SBI and DR BLs. Props to DR for some nailbiters and really pushing us hard to give it all we’ve got.

The evening fights seem to be fairly even in numbers, although I wish SBI would fight outside of the walls a bit more. But, I understand why they don’t since they are playing the score.

It reminds me of how much I liked fighting EB. They fought outside the walls even with a huge score advantage.

Too Frisky.9165:

Having a blast in this matchup. Tier 5 is arguably the best place to be for WvW.

T6 seems to have more balance. IoJ and DR might be evenly matched (hard to tell in a 3 way match). The third server in this bracket has had either a population advantage, coverage advantage, or both.

Most of the success from a 30v30 guild zerg will come from positioning, build synergy, and leadership. If the leader makes good calls and the others follow those calls promptly then they should do well.

Comparing 30v30 with 5v5 or 10v10 is pointless. They require different skill sets, but still have a lot in common as far as benefitting from good leadership, movement, and positioning. There is actually even a significant difference between 5v5 and 10v10 as well.

A well-rounded player should be good at all three and also 1v1 (as far as their class/build can take them anyway).

Generally speaking, someone who is good at 1v1, 5v5, and 10v10 should have no problem being good at 30v30. That is not true the other way around. I guarantee you that there are people in 30man teams that mouseclick abilities and/or don’t get the most out of their abilities. They can hide in the larger numbers but they would be quickly exposed in a 5v5.

Part of the skill of wvw is knowing where the other guy is before he knows where you are.

Of course, you are too ignorant about what culling is to realize that culling removes exactly this aspect from the game.

Sunspots.9861:

You guys are funny. You think you are skilled even though you have no idea there is a zerg around the corner getting ready to flank, cull and kill you. Part of the skill of wvw is knowing where the other guy is before he knows where you are.

They aren’t talking about using stealth or line of sight.

“Hey guys, I think there are 30 players culled in that open field that we can’t see.”
“What makes you think that?”
“Dunno, I just got this feeling…”

Go vote and put a comment in this thread.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Culling-Poll-1303-votes-23-Better-64-Worse

Dodge rolling a big move is on of the most skillful things you can do in this game. So, I guess 25v25 is very skillful since you are going to dodge a big move almost every time you dodge roll.

Hell, players in 25v25 can dodge roll big moves with their eyes shut, I bet.

Was it a pig farm? If it wasn’t a pig farm then you will not be prepared.

In order to achieve our goal of becoming the most pungent guild in GW2, my guildmates and myself have vowed to not bathe for 3 months and work on a pig farm. We are doing this in preparation for the latest advancement in internet technology.

We might not be the best or most skillful players, but you will respect us.

And fear us.

This is ten percent sweat, twenty percent pig sh..
Fifteen percent concentrated power of stench
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Dynnen.6405:

Yea, SBI doesn’t have numbers…LOL

Well, we had the lead in potential points again last night during NA primetime, so the populations can’t be too far off there. Where they have the advantage is in coverage.

Of course, a coverage advantage will turn into a population advantage as the week goes on since people who are easily demotivated will drop out of the fight.

Dr Acula.3496:

Everyone knows Archer want’s to be Bunzy.

You mean he isn’t Bunzy??

Outside opinion, having fought all: PK was not good in the open field. GH and FTF were much better open field fighters. Anyone can man ballistas, arrow carts, and trebs. Not everyone can put up a good fight in the open field.

i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590
12 GB RAM
Game on SSD
Recording FRAPS to second hard drive

FPS while not running FRAPS = 100+
FPS while running FRAPS = 40+ (even in huge zerg fights)

I record at full in 1920×1200 resolution. I keep my graphics options mid to low to keep my FPS high while recording.

I didn’t understand what Dynnen was saying at first when comparing the movies. But, now I do. The people that hit us initially come in from an entirely different angle than the people I saw in the far distance. When it happened I was wondering how they got on us so quickly. I thought we would have time to regroup at the water’s edge. I don’t think it would have made a difference in this fight, however, since we were spread out after pushing out 30+ from the tower.

Also, this crap effects the people we are fighting as well. No telling how many fights we’ve won because people couldn’t see us until it was too late.

Game is kind of sucking at the moment due to the “improved” culling code.

All three of the servers in this matchup have lost players to massive bandwagon transfers.

A couple of new movies up:

Multiple PoV Zergstomping by ADQQSTY

ADQQBSTY versus Echo Squad[FTF]

Be sure to catch Amins’ counterpart video which is linked in his movie thread and also on my youtube link.

Yes, I had a 1v1 against a bleed thief and transfered the bleeds over on a crit. They were hitting for a whopping 50 per tic! Maybe I should build a condition set for when I transfer those bleeds.

covenn.7165:

Oozo.7856:

The guilds that are most powerful in this game are the ones that can win by clumping up together and spamming autoattack.

Clumping together, confusion, hammer, retal, whatever trains are easy to break.

Actually, considering the latest guild zerg versus guild zerg video – running around in circles mostly using autoattack seems to work well. As long as the autoattack is AoE, of course. Power necros need not apply!

This isn’t a kittenstorm. This is a polite conversation. You should visit the Maguuma threads. ;P

Portal bombs are common in every bracket.

/rolling eyes

No. Clearly, the thing that bothers me are people who think the score does mean something. That should be obvious from my statements.

You could have posted a score update while your server was in the lead if you wanted to.

But, I didn’t. Gee, I wonder why that is…

I’m not complaining about coverage inbalance because it’s something that can’t be fixed. I’m complaining about people who post meaningless score screenshots. I’ll go ahead and pre-congratulate you on your victory this week. But, that doesn’t matter because we are still going to kill you on the field.

IoJ is really hurting for WvW population.

Yep, Katniss. Pretty big difference between fighting 20 at a time when they are all on you and fighting them in small groups as they filter in. The second half when you got hit was much better, but I still don’t think that was 20.

Good fight, but it could have done without the backhanded T5 insult and the misleading video description.

The more people involved in a fight, the less it becomes about micro-managing your skills (quickly reacting to an enemy action) and more about positioning and build composition (which is important, of course).

You really can’t even begin to compare 5v5, 10v10, and 30v30 in this game since they are entirely different things.

BTW, when I put one of these —> it means that I’m not being entirely serious.

The guilds that are most powerful in this game are the ones that can win by clumping up together and spamming autoattack.

Dream In A Dream.7213:

Oozo.7856:

Amurond.4590:

This could be a fun and close match-up once the “reset rush” settles down.

Yeah, screw the period of time when the populations on the field are the most balanced. Things are more real once offhour coverage comes in to play.

No worries. Actually its good that Sbi and IoJ do a lot of Oceanic scoring, since its going to keep us in this tier. Personally I would prefer the current set up where we are equally matched by numbers during prime time, and then loose some points during the night to all the alternatives. Now we have new things to retake, fortify, etc:)

Any videos of the SBI BL operations coming up?

Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo

Yes, it is good that we will stay in this bracket. What bothers me is some guy waiting until the score has flipped due to PvDooring to post a score screenshot which, sadly, is flat out meaningless in this game. DR won the primetime reset night fight.

Good job, DR.

Amurond.4590:

Isn’t there a night-capping thread where you can complain about people living in different timezones to you?

Is there a thread where some guy doesn’t wait to post a score screenshot until after they get a lead by PvDooring?

Amurond.4590:

This could be a fun and close match-up once the “reset rush” settles down.

Yeah, screw the period of time when the populations on the field are the most balanced. Things are more real once offhour coverage comes in to play.

Congratulations on your amazing PvDoor comeback? Let’s not even pretend that the score means anything win or lose.

Another good post by Bunzy. I think he’s been hacked.

A few questions. Do you suggest using multiple abilities or just use autoattack for these kinds of fights? What utilities and elites do you suggest loading out? For a mesmer, would you suggest: mass invis, time warp, or moa?

Also, how effective are portal bombs on solo players?

Another montage (which I believe is French for “deception”)

Pretty good post by Bunzy here. Some things I agree strongly with, some I don’t but everything mentioned is worthy of discussion.

I’ve already given my opinion on downed state. I think it’s fine. There are times where we’ve been burned by it but honestly I think in most fights we manage downed state better than “teh zerg” and it helps us win. However, this is a numbers game. It’s much harder for 5 than it is for 10.

What is super bad is being able to revive people who have been stomped. That is a HUGE advantage to the zerg since as a small group you typically have to give up ground with tactical fallbacks and turns. We shouldn’t have to worry about people that we have stomped in an already very difficult situation.

In the words of Mr. Miyagi, “too much advantage your zergo.”

1303

Better 23%
Worse 64%

I floated this idea a while back ago in one of the matchup threads. But, after thinking about it… eventually one of the servers will fall out of the “small group” bracket which would be pretty suq for them. NSP/AR/BP is pretty stable but all it takes is one dying server that used to be at the top to come crashing down and break things up. It’s a bit less likely that a server from below will have a meteoric rise.

Mehrdad.9074:

Phatal One.8069 ! it’s for u LOL

So funny Comments i c , can u please vizunah drop discussion u are not smart u are not good no game play nothing especail .
550 + Incom 7 Am !! whole map = Green , it shows u are not from EU 100% many canadian or na players u have arena should change WvW ranking .

U are cowards during guild events you didnt wipe us !! EVEN !! once we killed all of u even we were outmanned) =)) Come on u are not good even So stop it !! dont proud :O

The way u are playing it’s like Hi VIZ ! VIZ ! we are playing in different time zone we have high Pt :O high income :O I saw 40 vizu tried to kill 1 guy in WvW at 7 Am U captured tower oh u guys are really cowards dont say anything about ninja stuff because u cant play even against Any server

Tammuz.7361:

confusion by itself is a joke, when applied with condition bombs its pretty good…

but a cordinated guild running condition removal can answer it…

the ONLY change to the situation that Id like to see made is being able to prioritize boons, condition removals, and AOE heals to guildies before being applied to random people around you… so organised groups arnt negatively impacted by running with others

Yes, it’s a non-issue for 30 man guild zergs groups. It’s not a horrible issue for 10v10 either. It’s a problem when you get under 5 (as has been argued many times in the thread). Just like the solution to your AoE problem is to only run with 5 people and avoid zergs.

It’s amazing how different the game is when you are running with less than 10 than when you are running with more than 20.

Dr Acula.3496:

Oozo.7856:

Dr Acula.3496:

Dynnen.6405:

Dr Acula.3496:

Dynnen.6405:

selan.8354:

EvilSardine.9635:

Yep, confusion needs to be nerfed. Even my friend who has a mesmer says so. If you’re saying otherwise, then you’re silly and have ZERO experience fighting a good confusion mesmer. Atleast lower it to the damage it does in PvP. In WvW the damage is just absurd. Like 8 stacks or so of confusion on a warrior will do a ridiculous 5,000 damage just because he DODGE ROLLS….you know to avoid more confusion attacks.

We’ve done done tests using classes with as many condition removals as possible and the good mesmer can keep confusion on you the entire time. You can be a warrior with mending, shake it off (letting auto trait trigger then using it manually after), and rune of the soldier so conditions are removed when you use a shout, and you will still have constant confusion put on you. It’s too easy to apply.

It’s pretty obvious it needs to be tweaked in WvW. Damage is cut down by 50% in PvP. You cannot argue that it doesn’t need balancing if Anet already did it for PvP.

if u have gotten 5000 dmg then it was a crit and u must have run into th nullfield that was placed together with th bubble. we put both fields down at the same time so it causes more dmg.i dodge out of enemiy mesmers bubble all the time and don’t get that kind of dmg. whats your thoughness.

1) It CAN’T CRIT
2) 5k damage was a bit of an over-statement, but not much. Happy/Angry Unicorns a guy we fight quite often, has his 8 stack confusion hits that hit for 3400, and I’m pretty sure isn’t running the 2100 condition damage I’ve seen from our new mesmers.

Lastly. The next person that says “Confusion only kills bad players” needs to leave this thread. Its not the confusion that kills you, its the confusion that causes such heinous damage that prevents you from doing anything that kills you. Also, no one can say “I’ve never been hit by condition damage” so I guess we are all bad players.

I’m Angry Unicorns and I approve this message.

Brohug time imo =D

Can we please!? Last time I PMed you you replied with hatred and Distaste. It hurt mah feelinzzz

EDIT: And if they should nerf anything it should be Culling… That junk is OP

Don’t worry. At one time, Dynnen’s heart was filled with rage and anger towards me as well. It has something to do with having a red name over your head.

An actual quote from a few nights ago: “I’m going to rip that kitten guy’s throat out”

And then, he did… thought I was playing Age of Conan for a second there.

whaaaaa!?! Dynnen was on a diff server?

In SWTOR.

Plok.6145:

osif.8673:

Sup Plok, your zerg destroyed us badly. Nice try on the stealth bomb haha

What zerg? You really are delusional.

Funny, I took the same picture cause I know exactly the mouthpiece you are.

You mean where the one five man group I was in was sandwiched between AR on one side and paxa and Envy on the other? Yea, you’re so good at this. Man do you look dumb.

The best thing about that screenshot is the asura guardian from PAXA in the middle.

I think it took DR 8 weeks of winning with several blowouts to go up a bracket, but IIRC that only happened because a dead server came crashing down.

Dr Acula.3496:

Dynnen.6405:

Dr Acula.3496:

Dynnen.6405:

selan.8354:

EvilSardine.9635:

Yep, confusion needs to be nerfed. Even my friend who has a mesmer says so. If you’re saying otherwise, then you’re silly and have ZERO experience fighting a good confusion mesmer. Atleast lower it to the damage it does in PvP. In WvW the damage is just absurd. Like 8 stacks or so of confusion on a warrior will do a ridiculous 5,000 damage just because he DODGE ROLLS….you know to avoid more confusion attacks.

We’ve done done tests using classes with as many condition removals as possible and the good mesmer can keep confusion on you the entire time. You can be a warrior with mending, shake it off (letting auto trait trigger then using it manually after), and rune of the soldier so conditions are removed when you use a shout, and you will still have constant confusion put on you. It’s too easy to apply.

It’s pretty obvious it needs to be tweaked in WvW. Damage is cut down by 50% in PvP. You cannot argue that it doesn’t need balancing if Anet already did it for PvP.

if u have gotten 5000 dmg then it was a crit and u must have run into th nullfield that was placed together with th bubble. we put both fields down at the same time so it causes more dmg.i dodge out of enemiy mesmers bubble all the time and don’t get that kind of dmg. whats your thoughness.

1) It CAN’T CRIT
2) 5k damage was a bit of an over-statement, but not much. Happy/Angry Unicorns a guy we fight quite often, has his 8 stack confusion hits that hit for 3400, and I’m pretty sure isn’t running the 2100 condition damage I’ve seen from our new mesmers.

Lastly. The next person that says “Confusion only kills bad players” needs to leave this thread. Its not the confusion that kills you, its the confusion that causes such heinous damage that prevents you from doing anything that kills you. Also, no one can say “I’ve never been hit by condition damage” so I guess we are all bad players.

I’m Angry Unicorns and I approve this message.

Brohug time imo =D

Can we please!? Last time I PMed you you replied with hatred and Distaste. It hurt mah feelinzzz

EDIT: And if they should nerf anything it should be Culling… That junk is OP

Don’t worry. At one time, Dynnen’s heart was filled with rage and anger towards me as well. It has something to do with having a red name over your head.

An actual quote from a few nights ago: “I’m going to rip that kitten guy’s throat out”

And then, he did… thought I was playing Age of Conan for a second there.

1261 votes

Better 23%
Worse 64%

Had a couple of people log out of the game last night because it was so bad.

LOL. And here I thought a dev was going to give a post showing some concern for the stagnation in T8 that puts people in unbalanced matches for months. What a fool I am.

Wizardauz.3761:

idk about any 50 man zergs on this server lol, must of been one hell of a gathering of pugs/guilds.

But i did notice Eternal to be extrememly difficult to operate on for the beginning of the Pacific Primetime. Culling was pretty heavy for most of the time and before long just had to move to borderlands to escape.

culling isnt just bad lol, its getting worse.

Good fights tho.

Yeah, mixed guild tags. They just seemed a bit more concentrated near the objectives than usual. DR had some sizable groups as well adding to the problem.

Hammerhorn.1347:

jkctmc.8754:

These culling issues are wearing on me.

Suck it up soldier ! Put that blind fold on get back out there and press that #1 to #5 button till something is dead!

Don’t worry, I hear that they are working on background lore to explain the culling as a story device.

The denizens of Tyria must throw aside their differences to discover the mystery of what is behind people culling out of existence only to reappear moments later. Is this new magic something that can be harvested for good or does it foreshadow dark times to come?

The answers may surprise you… coming soon.

It was unusally bad tonight for some reason. I’m guessing EB were running larger groups than usual (instead of topping out around 30 it seemed more like 50).

Dying because of a bad decision or being outpositioned or outmanuevered is one thing. Dying because you are engaging far more enemy than you think you are sux. It triple dog dare sux if you are melee.

HackerTeivospy.2031:

helo its me again teivospy worst thief NA, this time going up against worst warrior NA in the world’s worst guild

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrhL_U7e3Lc

notice how i use all 15 of my initiative for no reason because game thinks initiative = adrenaline. I don’t notice ingame so I get confused when I try to #5 to stomp him and it ruins the entire experience. That just proves I am the worst thief NA and that warrior outplay me with MINDGAMES

. That was a sweet move draining all of your initiative like that with kill shot.

I said mobility and escapability. Not every class has that. Have you tried solo roaming as a necro? I have. :P

When you get 3+ on you in the open field your only way of surviving is to kill them all. There is no escaping.

I agree on the dueling builds comment, however. Dueling builds don’t always translate over to good roaming builds.

Dr Acula.3496:

Oozo.7856:

Dr Acula.3496:

Oozo.7856:

Dr Acula.3496:

Try not to sound quite so bitter, and having condi removal on CD is part of the game… just like having abilities that provide confusion on CD….

That whole post essentially looks like this, “I died to confusion, and rather than learn to work around the fact that confusion exists in the game and will be applied to me at one point or another, it should be nerfed.”

Also, confusion builds aren’t new, D/D Ele’s aren’t new, and Thieves and the things they do aren’t new to this game. So why aren’t we seeing these groups running around everywhere composed of what I am deciding to call, “The Three Amigos” right now?

Hrm, actually a lot of gank groups and dueling heros use mesmers, elementalists, and thieves as their primary composition. More balanced groups also carry the other classes (and generally do better in greater than 5v5 fights).

Interesting to note that there really aren’t that many “gank group” compositions in our matchup. None from IoJ and a just a few from EB that we steamroll. I doubt DR has any as well.

Funny how we also steam rolled you a few times…. Go ahead and get off that high horse….

Um, I wasn’t talking about you. You aren’t running a gank group (as I define it) since you are running with guardians and necros and such. I consider you a balanced group and the best group we have faced when all of your people are there. There are a couple of other small groups on EB who run a lot of thieves and mesmers (and that’s mostly it) and are GC. Those are the ones we have steamrolled not you. How could you even think I was talking about your group?

My appologies man. I made an assumption which of course made an kitten out of myself. This thread has mostly devolved into flaming and personal attacks, and I took your comment that way.

Understandable, I should have been clearer. So, that was partly my fault. I think this thread has run it’s course for me at least. I don’t hold anything against people I disagree with as long as they are coming with intelligent counterarguments.