I hate Mag with a passion, yet the only civilized players around the southern end of maps are Mag, not YB. With YB are your 2-3 man ganking squads camping corners and doorways, sometimes near npcs waiting for the lone player to get in combat for ganking. I know this is WvW PvP so it’s all good and I’m not complaining, just giving respect where it’s due. Mags at least will pause and see if you want to fight. They have my grudging respect for that.
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I chuckled. I play Oceanic time on YB and the DB zerg has never once paused to see if little ol’ me wants to fight. By your standards, that must be an awful lot of uncivilised people.
I think you’re being picky about numbers. I don’t think the goal should be that 5 people can take on “200”, and even if it is, that’s not the most common use case here. As the RET guy pointed out, zerg v zerg is all about mobility. Put one or two warriors on arrow carts and suddenly one zerg has no mobility and they’re all dead. You can theorycraft about counters all you want, but I think you should experience it before making a judgment call on its brokenness.
An important point to note here is that this OPness is being discussed in the context of stacked zergs (i.e. large organised groups that stack and have near constant swiftness and stability). Theorycrafting then, one way to overcome this issue is to not run in one zerg that all gets caught in the AoE of a cart.
Elsewhere on this board is a thread about how to get rid of the zerg. The obvious answer is to reduce their mobility and nullify their stability, which the AC leg specialist effectively does. Anything that might cause the stacked zerg meta to go away is good in my book.
It’s looking like we might hang around as a thorn in the side of T3 another week yet. Early, but so far gained more points than Mag has in T4. It’s got to be SoS’s remaining high rank though, when that settles to a proper place it will be harder to gain.
lol DUDE sos could kill white moas all week and still score higher then MAG.
I don’t quite understand your comment in the context of the quote, but I’m pretty sure Pendragon meant SoS’s high rating (rather than high rank). SoS has been losing rating for weeks and because the system compares server rating to do its calculations, the closer SoS’s rating is to YB’s the more likely YB is to go down a tier given a similar score to last week.
Hi all, I’m from the infamous JQQ or JQueue server or however you wanna call it haha, I’ll be joining Yak’s server soon, I wanna experience a different level tier. I’ve been in T1 since launch and starting to get tired of it so I’m hoping to have a good time with you guys sooo see you soon! oh and don’t worry I won’t start any T1 drama style :P
It’s nice to see new faces but if you come for next week’s match I hope you won’t get put off. YB are bouncing between tiers 4 and 3 at the moment and next week we look set to go up against TC and DB. I’m sure such a match would be conducted in good spirit but would nonetheless be a complete wash for YB outside of reset.
This discussion refers only to changing weapon sets while OUT of combat. Any class can change to any weapon they are entitled to use while out of combat. The process to do this is fiddly, however, so a convenient way to change weapon sets while out of combat would be nice.
Unfortunately, the words used have led to confusion.
What the OP really wants is a convenient way to change to alternative, non-equipped weapons while out of combat. When I play my mesmer I often change to different sets for different situations and it can be a hassle to do.
While we are at it, make a convenient way to store builds that can be changed to when visiting the respeccer.
Kitten talking is in a poor state. I mean, most of it is complete rubbish, devoid of any sense of humour or style. So much of it is the verbal equivalent of having some guy sitting next to you constantly poking you in the shoulder while going, “eh, eh, eh?” If I were a mod I’d delete most of it simply because of its rubbishyness, not even considering the ToS.
You must be talking about the Euro servers. The NA servers are this week so far projected to have no servers changing tiers (and only six servers changing rank). Besides that, apart from a few matches in the bottom tiers of both NA and Euro, the scores are overall closer than they have been for ages.
Some of the scores may not be super close, but I guess a lot depends on what you call stability: every match having close scores or little movement of servers between tiers. Unfortunately, the former of these is most likely a pipe dream.
According to my calculations, AoN 7 member gank squads average around 3.4 kills per minute and play 24 hours straight, everyday. 5,000+ Kills a day is quite impressive.
Unfortunately that isn’t how it works though and a reason why using absolute numbers when talking about how many people a guild has killed is silly. The thing is, if that 7 man squad kills 1 guy, it will add up to 7 kills if all they do is tote up how many individual kills they each got and each did enough damage for it to register as a kill for them. If at the other extreme each of the 7 had a hand in killing all of those 5000, then I think it would work out to about 1 kill every 2 minutes over a 24-hour period.
Crystal Desert seems to generally bow or move along after a fight; I’ve had maybe but two bad experiences with them?
Why are you asking us for validation of how many bad experiences you have had with them? You are the one who had them. And can we assume that if you had had three bad experiences (i.e., a few) with CD you would then be entitled to claim that CD, as a whole, is arrogant? There’s still time in the match.
Back to my initial point. You aren’t seeing them because the new culling system aggressively culls allied players in favor of enemy players.
You seem, however, to be forgetting the minimap display, which as far as I know does not cull out allied green dots and is by far the easiest way to determine numbers of friendlies in an area.
Details, details, details.
We have a theory and we’re gonna run with it despite all evidence that we’re wrong.
You know what, thinking about this a bit more I do wonder, are the green dots culled as well? If the green dots are compiled client side using info from the server, then I’d imagine they could be, but if the minimap is compiled server side and sent in toto, perhaps not.
If entering WvW while guesting on another server you taking that servers wvw spot as “count” goes however you are playing on your server.
Can Arena net confirm or deny this?
I highly doubt this as the queue is per battleground. You would have to be able to join the guested server’s battlegrounds to count towards the total. Were this the case you could completely avoid all queues and put thousands of people in a given battleground by queuing from overflow servers.
Only if you assume that the system is working correctly. I could easily imagine a bug that adds you to your guest server’s queue but puts you in your home server’s battleground. This does not, however, address the observed issue where of a group of people entering a BG at the same time, some get in and some are queued. Your second point is irrelevant because overflow servers do not have battlegrounds of their own.
Back to my initial point. You aren’t seeing them because the new culling system aggressively culls allied players in favor of enemy players.
You seem, however, to be forgetting the minimap display, which as far as I know does not cull out allied green dots and is by far the easiest way to determine numbers of friendlies in an area.
All we have to go on thus far is this statement from Mike Ferguson on the reasoning behind new math.
Over the last couple of months we’ve seen that when worlds experience dramatic changes in their ability to field a consistent fighting force for whatever reason, it can take quite a while for them to work their way through the ratings until they end up in a match that suits them better. In a lot of cases, some worlds took multiple matches to work their way through a single tier even after a series of blowouts. We really dont like that, so one of the goals for updating the math behind the ratings is to try and reduce how often we experience the repeated blowouts that can come from that sort of situation and get those teams through the rankings quicker.
The problem with those comments, however, is that they relate to historical problems, at least for the NA servers. The massive changes in populations resulted from free transfers, which no longer exist. And most of the ascending/descending servers have now worked their way close to where they should be (I would like to see a list of where servers would be next match if the ratings weren’t being reset). Changing the system now is akin to closing the gate not only after the horse has bolted but has since returned so it can no longer get back in the stables.
For the NA servers, why can’t they just normalise the ratings, introduce the new algorithms and continue on as we are? If the Euro server matches are truly messed up, deal with them separately with a complete reset if necessary.
They should just make Oceanic servers. But I guess they don’t think it would be cost effective. They would have to open up free xfers though.
There was some talk awhile back of officially releasing GW2 in China but I don’t know if this ever happened. Oceanic through Asia would cover a similar time zone period to Europe or NA and should have enough players. With people embedded in other region’s servers now though I doubt it would happen. Still, if more Chinese stated playing, they might be able to fill some gaps in other servers.
4) Kain was not beat in the first hours of reset because of the great skill of Mag/DB, nor because of population numbers, or because one server is more skilled. Kain was beat because they holed up in Stonemist at the price of some PPT, and because the defense of Kain bl was disjointed after Mag executed a brilliant rush on Kain garrison in the first few minutes of the match.
I’m afraid this doesn’t really make sense. You seem to be saying that Kain was not beat in the first hours of reset because one server is more skilled but was beat because they did an unskillful thing, and because they were made to do more unskillful things because Mag did a very skillful thing.
We got lucky, in part because I don’t think Kain has ever really had to seriously defend its borderlands on reset before.
Kaineng not being up to the task, for whatever reason, has nothing to do with luck. And they were held to a very narrow lead for the first 8-12 hours last match by YB so they should have learned something.
I can’t find the thread (might have been deleted) but it went down something like this.
-Someone complained about being able to waypoint into a contested keep
-Dev replied saying this is a bug and they will change it so you can’t
-Lots of people complained saying this would be bad in the context of how easy it is to contest keeps
-Devs agreed and said that they will have to look into the issues and make fixes but only after doing extensive testing to ensure balance so it could take some time
Don’t worry my CD and YB brothers, next week you’ll get your ratings back from the deserted server; SBI.
And then the ratings will be set to zero the next week
I think most are just hoping for an even, fun match after a month of worsening blow outs that we could do nothing about. SBI has still been able to put 36K against SoR in tier 2 (perhaps comparable to YB and CD scores this week), so fingers crossed they are a good fit in tier 4 and have a good time.
They are two sides of the same coin, but the lack of diversity in classes is mirrored by the lack of diversity in tactics. Watch videos of organised guilds and you see the same thing over and over: portals, invisibility fields, sanctuaries and lines of warding followed by unloading of AoE.
I’m starting to feel like ‘top-level’ WvW is more akin to synchronised swimming (mastering a set routine) than about groups of people solving problems in real time.
Never said I agreed with the solution, just that the match blowouts due to mass transfers is what made ANet take this course of action. I am merely pointing out the irony.
The question then is how much of a problem still exists, or will do at the end of next week. By the looks of it, there are currently 4 servers that are possibly 2 or more tiers outside of where they should be.
*Kaineng is still rising, but I think the time of them causing huge blowouts and messing up the rankings is over.
*CD is still dropping but could possibly still be a tier 4 or 5 server.
*IoJ is still dropping but their descent seems to be slowing.
*SBI is a complete unknown at this point.
The dropping servers could cause some disruption but could also help servers to regain rating lost because of the rise of Kaineng. After that, maybe the ratings could be normalised in some way so there isn’t such a wide spread.
I think the real irony would be if the tiers were deliberately thrown into turmoil just as they were stabilising.
EDIT: my apologies to the European servers – I didn’t look at your side. But then do both regions need to be treated the same way anyway?
Yeah, I’m struggling to see how they came to the conclusion that “A reset at this point will allow the rating & ranking system to more quickly and correctly rate these (effectively) new WvW teams”. Key words being “more quickly”. Pretty much the damage has already been done and the worst impact is over. The lower tiers need a bit of a shake out because of rating drops caused by Kaineng (and perhaps scaling of rating to bring them closer to the other tiers), but is this going to take longer than restarting from fresh?
And the burning question: we’ll never get to see if Kaineng could have made it to tier 1 the hard way.
What it will probably mean for YB is that after enduring weeks of unbalanced matches, we might get one good week next match only to be thrown back into the rankings melting pot. Then, after who knows how many weeks of possibly unbalanced matches, we will probably end up back fighting the same servers we are going to fight next week.
I understand that there needs to be some reassessment of rankings, especially for the lower tiers, but this way seems a bit disruptive.
T3 would be fantastic…..and I hope they have enough oceanic coverage to keep us there. T1 is a place I have no desire to return to.
They won’t necessarily need a big oceanic population, just enough to hamstring Kaineng’s. It may have been an anomaly because it was over the holiday period, but the Mag/YB/DB match ended in 3rd for DB despite the fact they had the largest Oceanic+ population by far.
I do hope that Kaineng only makes it to tier 3, not out of spite but because it will be interesting to see if Mag can outplay them at both strategic and tactical levels and whether DB’s Oceanic/Asians can impede Kaineng’s. Come next Saturday morning, if Kaineng NA wakes up to assets that aren’t fully upgraded, you will know you are in for a tough week (and the matchup thread will be glorious).
And we all know that some people aren’t going to be satisfied with just one daily fix. Soon we will have families whose parents have spent all the karma on a chance to win shinies rather than on ginger and bulk peaches.
Kaineng is an average server in the sense that all servers are average servers. They are all a mix of organised guilds and PUGs, the ratio being determined by who gets through the queue. Kaineng were held to a slender lead after 8 hours in tier 4, and this is with one of the servers severely weakened. Their lead only took off once NA primetime was over and then they were able to capitalise on having full queues and fully upgraded assets. When they have the manpower, both CD and YB have held them off unupgraded garrisons for hours at a time.
I think it is a complete myth that the top tiers are necessarily any more organised than lower ones unless they are able to ensure all their dedicated guild groups get in. Unfortunately for them, bandwagoning groupies work against this. So the only thing different about the upper tiers is the nature of the game because of saturated populations and the price for that is queues. If that is what you want, then Kaineng is a good server for you.
Was having a blast until the Kain player decided it was funny to start doing emotes over our dead bodies…real class.
Kaineng is the most emoting server I have ever seen. And always after they have rolled you with a zerg. Hand in hand with the spawn camping and the recruiting in this thread, it’s impossible to not start forming an opinion.
Sigh. Those trolling YB’ers had to flip our life line. Real shortsightedness displayed right there.
Kaineng, please spawn camp YB on CDBL. We’ll see you tomorrow.
You mean like the CD zerg that twice tried to take north camp in YBBL when it was our only camp and we were in the middle of a push to take our garrison? I couldn’t figure that one out at all.
So I got invited to a Kaineng party just a little bit ago in YBBL. They apologize for camping spawn as that is all they can do and other maps have ques and they are bored. Shortly after getting run over by a zerg 10 times…
This sounds about right to me. It seems that wanting to be no.1 in WvW precludes any sense of style. The whole thing seems to have become so mechanical and bureaucratised to such an extent it has sucked the life out of WvW.
If you are bored, how about trying to interact with your opponents rather than making sure that the ballista went up in under the allocated time and shooting the enemy waving to you before at least having a dance with them? People complain about Maguuman trolling, but at least they have/had a sense of style, bringing more to WvW than just endless stealth/portal/AoE routines.
