Guild Wars 2

If you were a multimillionare on WoW you wouldn’t be here asking questions like this.

I heard of people buying green armor from high level karma vendors and MF’ing it into yellow items to salvage for ecto.

Personally I just trade mine in for Orrian Chest. You get tons of karma back using 65% karma buff (booster/food/guild banner) so with 900k karma I get around 30-40 gold usually, varies on how many good lodestones I get compared to the bad ones.

Now when I say 900k karma, I mean you lose 900k karma, so after opening 900k worth of karma chest, I re-use the karma items and buy more until i’m karma exhausted, so I might actually use around 1.5 karma combined to make that 30-40 gold but the other 700k is free from the chest you already bought with a 65% karma boost.

First time I’ve seen this listed, only one up and no bidders so I assume it was a recent change, anyone know how this is acquired?

Yes I’m pretty sure these were Wintersday Only, that’s when they started appearing, my girlfriend got one from her wintersday box and sold it for about 200 gold, since then there has only been a few listed, one as high as 800 gold. I assume this was intended or a glitch that they don’t drop out of the BLC.

At one time there were 20-30 of every contract and 0 hair stylist, common sense tells me they do not come from the BLC at all. Granted they could have been sold to bidders, I’m sure many would have been listed above bidders.

I’m pretty sure this is to prevent people who are not standing in “melee combat range” to prevent them from killing the enemies in a cheap fashion. The problem with harpies is everyone is in melee range(close range I mean) where the harpies will fight back, everyone gets knocked down while some guy below is too far away trying to hit them, causing invulerability.

I don’t really think it’s a bug, just how the mechanics work.

I would rather see this event spawn easier, the current system is annoying, and not worth the way for a something related to RNG spawns.

I had this happen to me when I tried to swap weapons and a cut scene appeared. I had to go into the character interface to manually swap.

Yes, this is bugged, when I zone in to kill Lyssa I get stuck under the floor, you can re-WP in to get unstuck, or use some form of skills to try to get out of the floor.

These items will most likely be released again, can say the same with flames and frost dyes too. Southsun skins are a good example of an item being reintroduced, unless it says “Limited Edition” don’t think it will be discontinued forever, limited time just means you can only get the item between that time frame.

Can we get a confirm this is going on and isn’t a bug?

Any word if there is a planned update for these?

So we have sPvP Footlocker backpacks like, trading post charr/quaggon, molten jetpack, SAB, and others like the new hologram backpacks.

Can we please add:
-Rox’s Quiver (the other items are added, but no footlocker slot for the Quiver that can be converted into a PvP item)
-Flower Southsun Backpack
-Tentacle Southsun Backpack (would save me some bank space, plus if your going to do it to other living story backpacks, please keep it simple and do them all).

Do you intend to add these? What’s the plans?

Of course they will rise, unless they keep making in-game mini’s that are obtainable. Eventually the new players will outscale the amount of people buying mini packs that are not worth it.

TLDR, anyways was trying to quote it, was at work and about to head out the door so didn’t care enough. Sorry chump.

Unintended or not, it wasn’t an exploit, get the facts straight.

Also they would never include such things in the patch notes about miniatures because it’s not a new change like dust so that’s an irrelevant comment, but all you kiddies screaming about others making profit and wanting bans issued is what is funny about this whole thing. I could have questioned it if it was at launch, but not 1/3rd a day later.

Also your history is saved on your character, they have tracking data as they even look into peoples accounts to tell them what they did with their buy/sell history. Recently one who thought they were getting lodestones for “no reason”, but they put an offer in at this day/time according to an ANET GM.

No, legendary items stay legendary as long as you keep the skin, and if you didn’t you would have wasted about 1500g…. so you keep the skin, change the stats.

There was a bug were, when you transmuted, it would go to exotic quality but was fixed, let the thread die.

So I have had friends confirm they have gotten Southsun Crates, and jewelry still dropping on Southsun which means the tickets and blue mini are still available.

Is this intended? If, so, were the Mini Reef Riders removed and kept Limited as stated in the released patch notes?

Any info would be helpful, thanks.

Note: If this is true, i’m very impressed that Arena Net didn’t remove everything and allowed Southsun being worth farming now (for ticket skins for my PvP locker). If this isn’t intended…. super sad face.

Buttercup,
My concern has always been with scenario 2 only.
So, for the last time, I don’t care whether you personally made a profit, or a loss, when you started pumping 720g worth of newly released event minis in the forge.

More sentences that make no sense, pumping 720g of new mini’s into the forge means nothing, especially when it’s not an exploit, all it means if Arena Net made the content too common and therefore those were the results, a lot of other yellows and exotics being crafted. The same thing is STILL happening but at 4x slower rate, it means NOTHING. Just seems you like to find something to justify nothing. If anything I helped get rid of 15% of total amount of gold out of the game having fun playing the odds.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Gasoline.2570:

Hurdur. SUPPLY DEMAND DURR kitten

When you learn what Supply and Demand means in an open market, driven by players, then you’ll understand.

Agreed, he’s already having a metldown and doesn’t seem to comprehend too well.

More minatures entering the game a day {than} collectors/new players
<<< supply(high)>>>—————————————— <<<demand(low)>>>

Results? A drop…. and once in-game minatures are done being obtained (no more minatures entering the game aside from the current over priced gem pack….. new players will slowly buy them to keep or forge for better quality/profit creating a dump in minatures raising the price, which will make them eventually worth buying with gem packs again… (slowly bringing more into the game).

Apprently just saying supply and demand is too much, cause the “hurr durrs” can’t even comprehend how a market works to realize the simple “supply and demand” answer, so may aswell detail it to them.

Gasoline.2570:

Osi.3504:

Balance of supply and demand.

I’m so tired of seeing this everywhere. Can we find a new term for ignorant fools to use in the future?

Not sure, you seem to be the only ignorant one here. Facts were stated how the game operates, that is why rares WERE up to 7-9 gold at one time, it’s called supply and demand, which is being regulated by the Mini pack in the gem store. Only reason the price of them dropped is the current in-game source which will no longer exist after July 9th. Go take a midol buddy.

I love dragonball, it’s so much of an improvement compared to the Karka game which was fun too but ANNOYING. This new mini game is set up awesome (certain buffs/abilities in each corner and health) which creatures strategy and skill. I own at this mini game all day long. The only negative I’ve seen about it is AFKERS, and it’s hard to play with friends and the rewards suck compared to spending time in PvE for the same amount of time as a match takes.

Pros:
Team based, much more enjoyable then solo based like Karka.
A nice system, abilities located in certain areas of the map creating strategy and skill.
Good map structure.

Cons:
Bad rewards for time spent per game
No group queue with friends
Can’t get rid of AFKers.

Considering mini’s are regulated by gem store price, yes they will go back up once enough LEGIT buyers(new players) start collecting them and the new mini is done pumping the economy full of rares and other greens. It may take a few months but it will eventually balance out with the lack of Mini pack purchases when it’s cheaper to trade your gems for gold and directly purchase a bunch of mini’s.

Balance of supply and demand.

@Buttercup, you obviously read too far into things, and I don’t have anything to feel guilty about because I decided to use some mini’s in the forge EIGHT HOURS AFTER the patch was released, as far as I knew, it was intended except the drop rate was so common it was creating a crash. As I said many times before, if the mini’s were rare, no one like yourself, would be crying, and considering I’ve crafted 6 Jack-A-Lops with regular rares since the disabled of the recipe/them changed to green, I highly doubt it, not sure why you would even brag in the first place.

As I predicted, exotics are slowly falling, so if your profiting via hoarding/holding, enjoy it while i’m making 40g+ a day using my money to flip items at a faster rate then waiting for stuff to go up lol.

As I was saying previously, and my entire intent to the post, you lack a lot of sense as you’ve expressed multiple times that “making obvious profits is bannable” when really they are being banned for an exploit, not for actually making the profit(the profit is what fuels the abuse of the exploit). Nothing was exploited here at all except for the fact it “could have been an obvious mishap”, because you originally assumed they shouldn’t have been used in the mystic forge as none of the other “special mini’s” can, no one else would have known otherwise considering it’s one of the few new mini’s that isn’t account bound or of exotic quality(cant be forged), and obviously Arena-nets intent was to allow them to be crafted because they could have just made them 1/100th rarer and the economy wouldn’t be PACKED with them. As far as your deflation post, if that was true, they would have made them blue quality or as I said before, changed the drop rate, as far as I see, this was intended.

Also the reason no one was banned over this was because it would be crazy to be banned for something that wasn’t even an exploit but a mistake, there was nothing to create profit here except the fact they were dropping too often and created a crash(making profit possible) due to the common drop rate, not an exploit. You would basically be banning people for profiting soley over a mistake and if it was that bad, servers should have been shut down immediately because I’m sure this was discovered way before they disabled the recipe they simply weren’t sweating buckets over it. This is silly and why nothing was done. As I said before, you might as well ban people who got the chance to salvage dust for the first 1-2 hours making 100-1000% profit, or the people who hoarding yellow mini’s when they increased by 400% after they were changed to green because that’s how you sound when you explain this. There really wasn’t any evidence it was an exploit or unintended aside from they dropped to common and the rarity was reduced. I would have been skeptical if I was one of the first people logging on and figuring this out, I wouldn’t even try it, but the fact I logged in 8 hours AFTER and figured this was going on, I didn’t have any sense of “this is wrong” one bit, and to be banned for that, would be absurd. It wasn’t like there was an obvious exploit here or even WAS an exploit. If I knew it was an exploit or even thought it was, I would have held onto every jack-a-lop I crafted. I only did it for the risk of trying to make 50g off a good exotic forge, which utterly failed for me at the time resulting in more than 5 tries per exotic and losing money.

Comprehend better, and make more sense in your post. I can say I’m glad we have wise and clear minded people working at Arena net, some of you guys would just destroy the game with false bans of jealously and assumptions. Leading a major innocent player base from leaving this game for being unreliable.

Actually Arena-net didn’t fail us completely this time. This new system is highly improved over last two ticket systems, so I would relax.

I got a ticket under 450 regular coffers, one guy got 4 in 1,750, others have gotten one or two under 1,000, and yes… some haven’t gotten a ticket in multiple 1,000’s (on the bad end of the RNG system). Right now you can get a ticket under 28g on average… that’s roughly the same as 900 gems, which only buys 10 rich coffers for likely 1/2 the chance, since I believe tickets from Rich Coffers are 1 in 25 chance.

In otherwords, Arena-net made is decentily affordable/easy to obtain 16 weapon tickets for under 400-500g, which is WAY better then the estimates I had for black lion keys(fused weapons) which was well over 2800g in gems at 1 ticket per 50 chest, or the last weapons which I only got 1 ticket after kitten crates.

I would give Arena net a pat on the back for this time around, they didn’t do a bad job, I still think tickets could be implemented in a better method with less RNG.

Say, every 1,000 gems spent you get a “point” and these points can be used to exchange for ticket skins. So say 2 points for a garenteed ticket, this way you are not being COMPLETELY screwed when purchasing gems and supporting the game.

Since Dragon Coffers are a bonus drop, I doubt they are effected by MF.

The story behind this is, they didn’t want to put the mini’s out until AFTER they gave the first set out, however they had to mail these out to a limited number of players at a time so they didn’t overload their mailing systems, so they mailed out waves of them, which is why it took awhile after receiving them in the mail before the mini’s actually went on the gemshop. Remember this for the future.

Here is an easy way to fix your problem. Buy some paper, buy some tape, put a peice of dark paper over the number on your screen.

A better suggestion as far as food is when being rewarded with food out of a RNG based item, the food you get should be at your level or lower. Meaning level 10’s get 10 or less food, level 80’s can get food of all levels. Granted this would make an overstock of low food, and a low stock of high food but when you can exchange it for candies, who cares.

I think an easy-fix to this would be a “special” mini-bag, it can ONLY be a mini-bag, it’s not counted with the rest of the bag slots, that holds only 3-5 mini’s in it at all times and they will not be banked and people will not have to use invisible bags.

Cymric.7368:

Osi.3504:

@Flippers are actually good to the economy since they relist items over and over, this is actually taking ALOT of gold out of the economy. They only profit off people that choose to be lazy since they are buying at cheap price and selling next cheapest. I realize a lot of people hate THE IDEA of how they are making easy money, but it’s not a terrible thing, and anyone can do it. As far as hoarding a limited item and controlling it… not a lot of that is done, most people save them early/cheap and resell later… nothing wrong with that.

_Its weird how ppl all assume that sinking gold is a good thing. If gold are in short supply, sinking gold will actually be bad. Also, flippers doesn’t do what they do to benefit the economy, they do so out of a selfish desire to line their own pockets, as we all do.

Flippers not only profit off players who are lazy. The average player who buy and sell to those lazy players suffer a profit lost too. The only dubious benefit flipping provide is that goods move faster on the tp.

Flippers benefits at the expense of the average player, which is why they are disliked. Nothing wrong with that, if you want fast money, there is a price to be paid.

Agree with the rest of your points though.

Last time I checked, Arena-Net likes flippers, it keeps things being listed 100x more often than not creating a loss on gold that keeps your gold worth more. Like waypoints, WvW, all gold sinks. Flippers DO NOT abuse anyone, it’s the average persons CHOICE to sell cheap, and buy high. Flippers take advantage of it. If Arena Net didn’t want this, they would get rid of the instant sell option and then bidders(flippers) wouldn’t get items in at a cheap price. Obviously this isn’t want Arena Net wants, they want people to sink gold out of the economy in this cycle of having an instant sell/instant buy option.

I would have a problem with something “controlling” a very limited item and making people pay 10x more than what it should be worth, than people who put bid offers in, and relist it at the current economy price of choice.

It’s the fact that people hate the fact others make a profit easier than they do that fuel this hate. You can make a lot more gold than most flippers just playing legitly farming tier 6 materials anyways. Only a few flippers can make a lot of gold in a day, probably 0.0001% of the total player base.

@buttercup

I notice you have said this in ways multiple times. Just because you make profit DOES NOT MEAN it’s wrong, illegal, against the rules, or bannable. Sure when you see an oppertunity you must ask yourself, is there a bug here?

Markets change drastically during some updates, so when making a profit, it’s perfectly acceptable granted there is nothing wrong to it. The way you make it sound is, any profit = ban, which is false. It’s when there is something OBVIOUSLY glitched/bugged. For example, throwing 4 rares in and having a 100% chance to get an exotic, THEY ARE BEING BANNED FOR MANIPULATING A GLITCH, not for making a profit, it’s the profit that motivated the people to USE THE GLITCH.

Examples:
People who were FIRST to salvage ecto’s into Dust and instant sell them off for double to 10x the profit.
People who invested into Yellow Holo Dragons @ 10 silver each, when they went back up to 40 silver within one day after being changed to green.

MAJOR DIFFERANCE there compared to having a 100% chance to yield a higher item when obviously it’s suppose to be a 20% chance.

Get the differance between why people are banned, it’s not over making money, it’s over abusing a glitch. 90% of the time, when massive profit is being made, it’s from a market shift, usually brought with a patch (perhaps a new recipe using a currently un-common material, influx of mini’s).

@Buttercap, actually no one would have bought them previously either… the ones that did it did it for many reasons and those people will STILL continue to do so.

1) support the game and rather take chance, than straight money
2) clueless

As I stated before, while rare mini’s had a 1 in 3 chance from mini-packs, that means with 900 gems you would average out with 10g, perhaps 17g if lucky, 900 gems would get you 22g… no one would have bought the mini pack cause the chance of you getting rares in all 3 packs would be SO SLIM. They still were bought, this change won’t change that.

So many of these items are entering the game, the are 1000’s of listing fees taking place per hour, creating a massive gold dump.

Arena Net needs to create a feature if a player is reported by more than 80% of the team they are kicked out of the match, obviously this could creature some abuse, but those abusing the feature should also be punished. It would get rid of people who AFK or purposly lose.

Yes, I believe they will stay in the coffers because it’s not like adding in “new” items. The old halloween bags are the same way, you still can get the Endless tonic from them, but it’s like a 1 in 10,000 chance.

The old 3 karka pets were limited but still obtainable through forging the Island/Breathing mask skins (which were limited aswell) meaning no new items came into the game. With the re-introduction of shoulder skins/breathing mask, they disabled the recipe allowing you to get karka pets to keep them Limited Edition.

I assume if tickets have the same concept, this is how it will work, but it’s just a theroy.

It seems the drop rate is rougly as an estimate.

1 in 25 for Rich Coffers (4%)
1 in 1,000 for Regular Coffers (0.1%)

More than half of the people who bought 25 rich dragon coffers see to have gotten a ticket or more, and less than 1/2 got none making up for the greater half who recieved two under 25. RNG is RNG but at least it’s not as bad as the last event

@Flippers are actually good to the economy since they relist items over and over, this is actually taking ALOT of gold out of the economy. They only profit off people that choose to be lazy since they are buying at cheap price and selling next cheapest. I realize a lot of people hate THE IDEA of how they are making easy money, but it’s not a terrible thing, and anyone can do it. As far as hoarding a limited item and controlling it… not a lot of that is done, most people save them early/cheap and resell later… nothing wrong with that.

@ecto/dust I think it was a brilliant idea, it keeps a very amazing balance on Tier 6 dust, and Ectoplams, causing a sink between the two items as needed and keeping demand on Ectoplams.

@dust hoarders, if you were hoarding dust because you knew it was limited and it would cause the price to go up even more, I think you deserved to lose money since this item was highly needed among recipes and you SHOULD HAVE KNOWN it was coming eventually, you should be the last person crying on the forums about a drastic change.

Rainzar, it’s not about crafting the yellows for profit, it’s about getting yellows and turning them into exotics at a quick rate, it’s a far cheaper alternative than buying other green mini’s, until those drop in price too, which therefore will multiple the issue and allow a lot of yellows to be crafted. Too many cheap yellows results in a drop in exotic mini’s, i’ve already seen them drop abit in one day and there is obviously way more than just 3000 sitting on the trading post, some players are buying 1000’s of them or still holding 1000’s and they obviously come in the game at a faster rate then being bought (or at least they did).

3000 alone = 187.5 rares = 12 exotics (2-3 of each) which will cause a undercutting effect, plus you are not even counting all the current yellows which have dipped at least 1-1.5g over the last day which alone will have it’s effect on exotics.

Hoard all the new exotics, or good luck with them being bought at a mass rate over the course of the next month if they didn’t reduce the hologram drop rate with the patch.

Right now it’s causing rares to tank slowly (1-1.5g in a day so far), and this event is only a few days in. Unless they made the green mini less common I could see some stabalization, but putting an offer in for 50 and watching them come in was quite fast.

Why isn’t there more people complaining about bug abuse and bans? The mini’s were changed green and will now FLOOD the economy causing all green minis to drop, followed by rares, and then exotics… is everyone kitten ed at ANETS new change? Btw anyone who bought 1000’s of those new mini’s at 15-20 silver just doubled their money and got a free precursor… anyone raging about that too?

@deathtouch – all mini’s will most likely experience a huge but slow crash due to the new common green mini that will degrade the green-exotic mini structure. I crafted 2 more Jack-a-lops and an Orrian Wraith for about 120g worth of yellows and sold off, will buy my mini’s back cheaper before the event ends and the mini market stablizes.

Also holding onto jack-a-lops especailly with all these free green mini’s entering the game is a slow investment, the cash would have been better off used elsewhere to overturn a greater profit. I don’t see jack-a-lops going past 200g within the next month, but I could be wrong, we’ll see

Buttercup.5871:

Osi.3504:

Are you an idiot? A lot of special mini’s are not account bound, they are tradable, like karka pets, mini molten flamestorm. Making profit isn’t a bad thing, that’s what your focused on, you are kitten that people were making money off this […]

Osi, try and put one of those minis you referred to in the forge. Go ahead, I dare you. Try and make a bunny with ’m.

As to your other point, the “profit” bit: there were other ways to profit from this, that did not include using and the exploit and furthering the permanent mini market’s destruction. If you had looked into those, you’d have been much happier now. It rather seems that you are angry for not having made a profit, whereas other people did. You seem to focus too much on the “profit” bit, or the “bad luck” bit, and not enough on the “let’s stop and think at what I’m doing” bit.

And please refrain from using insults, it would be a real shame if this thread were to be closed as a result.

No, i’m not mad, because after the recipe was disabled, I bought about 150g of yellows knowing they would go back up since the recipe was disabled and the exotics shot back up within 30 minutes. After this I threw about 11 sets of yellows in (paid 3.5-4.5g gold each) and got 2 jack-a-lops, a mini oakheart, and a mini orrian wraith, I actually profited (using the normal rare mini’s) so don’t assume I’m unhappy. This thread should be closed, it’s old history and has people like you targeting others who even admit what they did unknowingly.

Also last I checked, you can’t use exotics in the forge and you can’t use account bound mini’s, this would be the first rare mini that wasn’t account bound in the game… so if you want to get literal here, not many people would know. Whatever floats ur toot buddy.

@waldie – gambling is fun, like trying to get a precursor (how I got my spark), so I didn’t mind doing it.

Buttercup.5871:

So Osi, let me get this straight. You spent 24 per exotic, and you got 30 exotics. This means you pumped at least 720g into this thing. Whether you did it in batches or in one go is irrelevant to me.

Now, you didn’t think it was weird that one event mini, one – which in the past has always been account bound – was virtually destroying a purely gem-generated market carefully built up by Anet over the last 10 months? Not only that, this was going on while you could still buy the normal 3 mini pack for 300 gems? A pack which renders a green mini at best, or very unusually, one rare mini? This didn’t strike you as odd? The more I read your reasoning, the more difficulty I have with understanding it.

You keep focusing on the “bad luck” part. What if you had had “good luck”? Would that have made a difference? The outcome of your forging is completely irrelevant. What is important is the effect it had on the market, and on the people you duped with it.

Are you an idiot? Lots of mini’s in the special section are not account bound. Exotic’s can’t be thrown into the forge as there is nothing better to yield, this is the first “rare” tradable yellow that wasn’t account bound and probably why it was messed up in the first place.

Mini packs and the gem prices are completely irrelevant. If you want to get technical, 1000 gems is 25g, and 3 mini packs that only have a 30% chance to yield a yellow worth 7g would mean they are never worth buying anyways. I do to support the game, I don’t convert gems into gold.

I’m not focusing on ANYTHING abit that I lost 150g over it cause I only said that once and replied back to a guy that questioned it. There was nothing too good to be true, when I started doing it, it was a gamble obviously (150g loss), it’s not like there wasn’t risk involved unless you were one of the first few people that did it and could sell them really expensive. So get off the cry-train already and quit trying to be politically correct when you don’t even have the logic to realize the big picture here other then it shouldn’t have been done. It would have been no different if I was buying the other rare mini’s that came in wayyyy slower for the same price as the dragon and used those instead (and why I didn’t buy those instead) and crafted exotics.

Market changes happen all the time, there was NO DUPING here. You can consider it duping as it was un-intended, but it still took 4 items to craft another. A good market change is dust going from 40s to 15s in 2 hours, I’m sure you will go nag on those and call them “known bug abusers” as well because you lack the logic to realize to most people, nothing was knowingly wrong here. If Holo Knights came into the game way slower and costed 15g each it would have been okay to do it, no one would have crafted it in the first place, and no one would be crying, thus proves people are upset others made a profit.

I don’t deny that I did it, and I don’t have anything to hide because I didn’t realize there was anything wrong after I logged in 8 hours AFTER the patch and seen mini’s crashed(prices crash often) and decided to try to get some jack-a-lops which failed.

I just came on here to share my knowledge on what happened and to have a conversation. Not to be attacked by some nimrod that makes no sense and is trying to convince me I should be banned for Anets 8 hour+ mistake and I should have known throwing 4 rares into the forge and getting exotics was a bad thing. I guess it would have been okay if everyone was losing money in the process right? You may aswell face it that your just mad that some people made money off it. I have learned not to let things like that bother me. People that salvaged ecto for 2 hours probably made a few 100g and got a free legendary that took me 5 months to achieve…. Q_Q

Edit: oh and how much money was pumped into anything seems rather irrelevant, sounds like your politically trying to make something seem really bad, if anything I helped the economy with a giant gold sink from all those listing fees.

sold gems? you mean bought them? yes I got the gift too.

So, I think it’s about time you stop kitten ing your players off and rewarding the people that actually PAY and SUPPORT this game. No one likes to buy $35 worth of keys and get nothing that they actually wanted from your RNG chest… we all realize this is a scam. I find it sick since I would love a ticket for every weapon, but it’s rigged so you can rip $50 off one person which means there is no chance we can fill our PvP lockers up cause your supporting ripping off 1 unknowing player each, then supporting people that actually enjoy collecting, or want multiple skins.

Why not keep RNG as you obvious will, and give us a “Bonus Point” for every 800/1000 gems spent, and say you can buy a Jade Ticket with 2 points… so it allows us to not be COMPLETELY ripped off and keeps RNG in the game as you desire.

waldie.6015:

…. There never was a golden Not Acc bound Minipet, was there?( by event)
Wtf dude you made 30 exos and Got 150 loss? Lol!5

Yes, some of the exotics were down to 15-20g… so when it took 24g to make one on average and you had bad luck and it took 10 tries to craft it.. you were down 20g… so basically you had to get an expensive exotic. I obviously had bad luck.

Buttercup.5871:

Osi.3504:

(1) It was a normal game mechanic in the first place.

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(2) I crafted around 30 exotics but I lost 150g in the process. I had back luck getting Jack-a-lops which did yield a little profit.

1. No it’s not. See above posters. If you had this much dough (see 2, below), I seriously doubt that you were unaware of how permanent minis are obtained, and how this system has functioned since launch. But let’s assume that you did not.

2. That means you threw in about 600 risen knights (4 minis x 5 tries to get an exotic x 30 exotics). Now, I know there’s a gray area and all, but there’s a point where that line is crossed. Usually, when people start investing 500g and up, they’ll check out what’s going on, and why it’s going on. You could even say they should check this out before marching ahead (see the “if it’s too good to be true” motto). Anyway, we’ll see where Anet draws the line, if any.

Wrong, you didn’t need a lot of money, anyone with 20-50g could have did it all day cause you broke even after selling an exotic back and 8 hours after the event going on and it’s still allowing you to do it, didn’t see anything going on. OBVIOUSLY if I thought it was abuse and un-natural, I would have held onto my exotics, I didn’t as it seemed like normal market changes (crashing from the influx of items). And yes, throwing in 4 items to get another is NORMAL, it’s not like a vendor that allows you to buy a cheap item with karma that sells for 1g back to a vendor.

I don’t think they would ban over this. It was a normal game mechanic in the first place. I don’t bug abuse and it even fooled me, I logged on around 5pm PST (8 hours or so after the event started), bought a mini pack, got a rare and went to sell it. I found out it was 3 gold.. I said WTF? Common sense told me you could throw in the new dragons and I went to check… sure enough. I assumed they were so common it was creating a “natural collapse”. I didn’t think it was bug abuse at all. I crafted around 30 exotics but I lost 150g in the process. I had back luck getting Jack-a-lops which did yield a little profit.

Just so you know, playing the market IS NOT ILLEGAL. Just because there can or is profit involved doesn’t make it “obvious exploit”. Why? That’s like saying the first people that took advantage of salvaging ecto (20s or less) into t6 dust (instant selling for 1-5 dust per salvage for 30-1.5g) is exploiting… cause he made money off a new game change…. you are wrong.

If I got banned I would be disgusted. It’s not like looking at a vendor and seeing “wow this item is the same quality as the rest and is 100x less karma, or sells for WAY TOO MUCH vendor price and I obviously made 10000g off it”.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

If it involves laurels then I don’t think it will be a problem. After I got to 100 laurels I just stopped doing dailies. I’m sure there are people with 150+ with nothing that interests them.

Doubt it, I play one 80 only, bought only an amulet with laurels, and have 148 laruels right now and didn’t miss many dailies. I’m getting the mini’s next, followed by the endless tonic.

Does anyone know?

ThePedroKid.2580:

Closing this loophole in the forge only made the people who abused it more gold.

Anet screwed the pooch on this one… Big time.

People who tooled out dozens of these things and held onto them (which any smart marketmaker would do) now have a stockpile of pets that are once again worth an obscenely overpriced value that they can trickle their stock into the market for repeatedly.

Genius.

No, wrong… if you held onto them you were an idiot (at the time) because you only made money selling them to the current bidders. If you held onto them, then you KNEW it was a bug/glitch and you should have been banned for it. If you were buying them during a market crash, you were not bright but obviously paid off in the long haul. Why? Because the forge recipe was disabled… if it wasn’t disabled, every exotic mini would be 10g right now. If I thought this was unintended, I would have held mine, but I figured it was intended due to how common the knight’s were coming into the game so I assumed it was a way to drop all the mini’s down.

One thing to remember is mini’s are based on the gem store price and the gold convertion ratio so they are fairly stable with how much gold is in the economy. there is no in-game method to obtain the 54 original mini’s except the gem store.

aeneq.1760:

Someone mentioned 5000g+ profit doing this “exploit” however that’s unlikely, the underlying market is too slow moving to warrant such a remark. The cost per pet is due to its rarity not the huge demand (notice I say huge) as such I would suspect he got round 500-1000g tops for (and ofcourse if multiple people did the same thing the price dropped so fast I doubt they even got that).

edit: Yes I agree with the previous post, the ones who did this and were smart enough to keep the pets will probably earn a nice profit but it will take time before all the pets are sold

I’m sure someone made 5000g, why? These holo knight pets were so common they stayed cheap on the trading post, allowing cheap MF recipes…. if the holo knight was rare and stayed the same price as other mini’s, it would have not crashed anything and when you have lots of people who had bids in on jack-a-lops for 150g+, you just made around 125g profit per crafted one.

Essence Snow.3194:

Rajani Isa.6294:

The person you originally quoted said 20%.

Ahh good call didnt see that…..hmm I must have been going off their math 6g-24g

Yes, because when you throw in 4 sets… you get 4 more yellows for a FREE chance, therefore 20% chance with 24g, not 30g.

I’ll explain what happened here.

The new mini which is EXTREMELY common (1000+ listed atm, i’m sure 1000’s were put in the mystic forge earlier) was able to be thrown into the Mystic Forge and you could get exotics (20% chance back), so while the pets were 1.5g each, (6g per try), meaning 24g per exotic mini which were all 70-200g at the time.

yes, I’m sure some players made 1000’s of gold within hours… I didn’t realize this was unintended until it was disabled, I thought it was odd but figured they wanted to energize the mini market or something for collectors.

Prices are back to normal, no worries.

Lil Green Dragn.8049:

I’d be more inclined to agree with you if you “needed” the jade weapons, but you don’t. It’s just a skin, and every few months, there’s a new batch of em. I get it, you think some of the skins are pretty, and it’d just be dandy if you could get one or two for some characters, but we simply just do not need these items.

Yes, I know it’s really, really frustrating and annoying to literally flush hard earned money away. But, all I can say is just don’t do it then. If you want to support ANet, bye items which you are sure to get. And if you don’t like their practices with chance boxes, then don’t bye them.

There will be more skins. Some of them you’ll like, some of them you won’t. Some of them will be in chance boxes, some of them won’t.

And hey, of you really have had enough, stop playing. If you aren’t having fun in a game, what’s the point?

Subscription models allow you to unlock all the content, you realize how rare these skins are? You can’t even fill your PvP locker up… it’s ridiculous and weather he needs them or not, if you are a collector, you should be able to get them, especially if you are a good supporter(money invested), and you shouldn’t have to pay $500 to get enough ticket skins. This is poor practices on the games behalf and why subscription models are better than free models for dedicated gamers. Without dedicated gamers, Guild Wars 2 would keel over because it wouldn’t make any money, we should be the last people being screwed over. I’d rather pay $15 and get what I should be entitled to, rather then being expected to pay $500 a month due to all the people that don’t put any money into the game.

Sadly, bottom line, cash shops are like a pyramid scheme, certain types of players get screwed over pretty badly, just so they can label their game “free and awesome”.